I really miss seeing Landon wearing the USMNT & Galaxy crests. Watching him & the rest of the US team play at the 2010 World Cup made me fall in love with the sport ⚽
@TheCommentEvangelist6 ай бұрын
Same here
@adolchristin9837 Жыл бұрын
I am French, with Papin, Zidane, Henry or Mbappé, I should not care too much about them, but no, nothing to do: Landon and Clint made me LOVE the USMNT. They are two of my favorite football player ever. Landon since 2002 and Clint since 2005, oh what a ride it was. Watching those two players giving their best to be succesful with the National Team of a country which, at this time, did not cared too much about Soccer, that was epic. A bit more gifted than many players maybe, and a big heart, an attitude and lot of courage for sure. That draw against Italy in 2006, that run in Confed Cup 2009, that ectic group phase in 2010 (England, Slovenia and Algeria), and that fantastic performance against Ghana and Portugal in 2014, that was unforgetable. Thank you for the memories.
@jdubb45 Жыл бұрын
Amazing
@dosipov1 Жыл бұрын
Wow! What a cool story, that someone from another country with solid national team, actually followed usmnt. after embarrassing results in 1998, to see this team almost make semi finals in 2002 was awesome
@BennyH11 Жыл бұрын
You're American not French
@adolchristin9837 Жыл бұрын
@@BennyH11 Et pourtant ! Je prend cette remarque pour un compliment alors.
@ljsh239 ай бұрын
Be quiet 🤫
@gogousa6661 Жыл бұрын
Landon Donovan has spent so much time helping MLS/FOX/Concacaf/Soccer in general it’s so fun hearing him unfiltered. This is the best interview I’ve seen in a long time
@abolacadernos7164 Жыл бұрын
Donovan and Dempsey are the two best to ever wear the shirt. Great memories.
@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Жыл бұрын
Tab Ramos was a fantstic player. Very underrated.
@TCGTales Жыл бұрын
Landon needs to shave his head. Clint needs a stylist, crocs? Really?
@bsdnmd Жыл бұрын
Pulisic is carrying the torch Dempsey lifted that Donovan started.
@markislivingdeliberately Жыл бұрын
They were. They aren’t anymore. Yeah the records are still there, but the talent in Europe is pretty great now. When healthy (I know big caveat) pulisic is better than both. If he played in mls he’d be crushing
@stanleed.harold545711 ай бұрын
Ramos, Reyna and Howard
@fabanero20 Жыл бұрын
This interview is gold! I love the uncensored aspect about it. It’s so refreshing to hear this instead of the cookie cutter interviews of current footballers
@k13morey Жыл бұрын
I have a lot more respect for Donovan now seeing how honest he was here. The 2 best, but I always thought what made Dempsey better was his mentality. He was fearless and had such a belief in himself. I think Donovan had all the talent but never quite believed that he belonged with the best players in the world which is why he stayed in MLS. If Donovan had Dempsey's mental toughness and confidence he would've been unstoppable. Great interview.
@hengineer Жыл бұрын
He had depression, too, which is probably part of it.
@Konformation078 ай бұрын
In fairness to Landon, he did want to stay with Everton after his first loan spell with them.
@032theo8 ай бұрын
Good player but only managed 2 goals in 30 games in Europe.
@hanj317 ай бұрын
he would be head and shoulder the GOAT of US soccer
@leftiequixote Жыл бұрын
Our new kids are dope, but I will always miss this era of US Soccer. Landon was my #1 guy, but Clint was a very close 2nd. I hope to meet them someday.
@Alexvee-23 Жыл бұрын
Landon was also my #1. Everything about him made me fall in love with USMNT. Those honestly were the good ol’ days
@jdubb45 Жыл бұрын
Same
@IceSick903 ай бұрын
I was a Clint guy myself
@justin57153 Жыл бұрын
Donovan is refreshingly self-aware and honest. He doesn't try to make himself look good, or attempt to be false humble or whatever. He's just real. Understands where he was weak mentally, admits to being jealous of Clint, and also knows, very clearly, why he took the path he did because it would allow him to be the best player he could be... and it worked b/c he's a legend. I miss Clint's "F-You" grit. We don't have that on the team now and could use that edge. Maybe Gio one day if he grows up. On a side note, Charlie Davies does have a tendency to only ask questions where he is a character in the story. It's funny at first, but actually makes him a pretty shallow interviewer.
@killianmccluff3611 ай бұрын
I agree and it quite surprised me. Wouldn’t be against him being a pundit to share his wisdom.
@thepushbikesurfer11 ай бұрын
Mckennie?
@ChildFlip Жыл бұрын
In tough times it’s guys like these that remind me why I’m proud to be an American. Kate’s the 🐐, as well
@wiseup250 Жыл бұрын
Kate's an honorary American 😂
@thecrowjoker2 Жыл бұрын
Shut up fam 😂😂 joking All love
@TCGTales Жыл бұрын
Landon needs to shave his head. Clint needs a stylist, crocs? Really?
@rfp313 Жыл бұрын
I loved the conversation. Very grounded and realistic. Good points on old school vs new school. As a fan I can appreciate both. The current gen certainly doesn't have the challenges the old gen had, but they are benefitting from the foundation established by the old gen. I love seeing the growth of a sport I've been following since the 94 WC. I love that we're producing players that can play at the best leagues. I love seeing MLS grow as it has. Landon also said something that hit home about mental health: Just knowing what it is helps a ton. I have PTSD and I kept getting told by people that i have Asperger's. I went to a therapist and they identified what it really was. That helped me tremendously.
@alfiend3313 ай бұрын
I don't know how I stumbled into this series of interviews, but this Kickin' It series is outstanding! Getting to hear the stories of these USMNT legends is fascinating. I'm hoping there are episodes that feature the icons of the USWNT as well. I'd love to hear these kinds of behind-the-scenes stories with Mia Hamm, Hope Solo, Julie Foudy, Carli Lloyd...
@apollon118 ай бұрын
Kickin' It is becoming consistently the most fascinating and real platform for the historical fans of the US game. Thank y'all so much for producing this show. Absolutely loved this episode, and it will sound crazy, but it made me want a Jurgen Klinsmann episode. And maybe a Bruce Arena one, too.
@LeeBurrows14 Жыл бұрын
Great 2 part interview with Landon! Great to see Clint and Landon get to relive old times with Charlie and Mo! Thanks for doing these CBS. And as always Kate adds so much to the interview! 👏🏼
@chadmcclelland5668 Жыл бұрын
These guys provided numerous memorable moments for the USA. Appreciate all the effort and heart you showed. This current generation has the opportunity to take it to the next level and be special. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@DaddyFutbol Жыл бұрын
CBS thank you as a USA fan since 2002 for this. Guys i grew up watching since I was 10 years old sitting down and just bonding like firends is what i love about KICKIN IT.
@maximusprimus827 Жыл бұрын
This was a great conversation/interview. I’d love to see another one with these guys and three current players like Pulisic, McKennie, and Adams. That would be an epic conversation imo.
@stevenjaquin821811 ай бұрын
It's hard to hear Landon talk with that honesty, but without a doubt Donovan is a national hero!
@pepejg7 Жыл бұрын
I can hear these guys talk for days 🇺🇸
@mrbuckmeister Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. In my very brief meetings with Deuce he's impressed me with what a down to earth good person he is. Charlie's transparency and vulnerability about his accident and other issues has repeatedly impressed me. It's great to see this side of Landon and get a real feel for who is. His play has always impressed me. Now I am equally impressed with his humanity. Thanks for putting this together.
@RomanCLT Жыл бұрын
Still remember watching Donovan and Beasley at the 1999 Fifa U-17 World Cup...Golden ball winner and Silver ball winner. How good were those guys! Can't wait for part 2 and Beasley showing up on Kickin' It in a future episode.
@andrewstagg972 Жыл бұрын
I love Clint, I’m a Texan, but I grew up, wanting to be Landon. Pulisic might surpass them one day, but Landon will always be my favorite.
@bigheadedm Жыл бұрын
As a player he already has!
@lp567011 ай бұрын
Pulisic is better than landon I don't think he's as good as Clint was in his time at Fulham. Pulisic is not very good.
@e350mn Жыл бұрын
This was such a good show. We really got to see the walls come down. The authenticity and transparency was palatable. Nice job guys (and girls…).
@MrMigote Жыл бұрын
Also, this LD / USMNT interview is gold. thanks CBS!
@JayRuf3438 Жыл бұрын
It's so fun to see this real talk between the these US Soccer legends.
@ajcarlos5245 Жыл бұрын
As a Filipino-American who grew up watching both of them, this just feels sooo cathartic. Like deymmm, to see them talk abt all the nuances and just be real with each other was sooo frickin' satisfying 🩵⚽️
@MichaelBalanoff Жыл бұрын
“Some people just built different.” What a way to end the episode. That’s Deuce Dempsey right there in a nutshell. What a legend
@wizarddragon Жыл бұрын
@CBS I have loved this show more than I thought I would have when I first heard about it. Keep this going and Kate has been doing great as well.
@UberVilla Жыл бұрын
Donovan was and is the Golden Boy, and that’s why it was harder for him to transition to europe, whereas Dempsey always saw himself as the underdog, the dark horse, and that drove him to work hard and through those hard situations. neither is better than the other. both loved winning all the same, no more than the other. Donovan loved winning and playing so much that he went to where he could beat do that. Dempsey loved winning and playing so much that he went to where he could win his spot and win tougher wins, even if they came less often. Dempsey liked winning the tougher battles, even at the cost of not winning as much, Donovan liked winning always no matter what. Both wanted to be the best. They just went about that differently. Donovan went about it by playing as much as he could and showing the star he was on the field. Dempsey went about it by earning his spot off the field until he could shine against tough opponents.
@oldska8ter Жыл бұрын
Dempsey was and is the One, top American in his day in Europe. Proved we can do it, paving the way.
@NaijaTRG Жыл бұрын
Absolutely, feel like nobody says this enough. Dempsey is easily my favorite USMNT player of all time but respect to Donovan for what he did in the flag colors. Easier case to make to say he’s the greatest USMNT player of all time (strictly international football) but I still believe Dempsey has a case as well. They’re my 1A/1B for USMNT goats but those with real football knowledge know Dempsey was also playing at the highest level in Europe (early 2000s Prem at that) as you stated. And when Donovan retired from the NT Dempsey still continued to carry us🤷🏿♂️
@oldska8ter Жыл бұрын
For me and Probably stats show Deuce was front and center for showcasing American Talent to a highly skeptical , and knowledgeable fans and English public and commentators, though some came before and definitely after (now) he was alone in his campaign. I also thought him and Pulisic were the only ones fighting against the team that kept us and those two out of the World Cup. Would have been Pulisic first and Clint's last, I thought altidore and all the others let them down. I also felt Landon for all his talent wasn't aggressive enough or up to the physical challenge of EPL ball. It is great to meet another Fan of Clint's 4 sure!!!@@NaijaTRG
@SocalMotoRx Жыл бұрын
I respect Dempsey for what he did but he didn’t pave the way. Like he says McBride and Bocanegra were already at Fulham when he got there. Not to mention Claudio Reyna, Kasey Keller, Friedel, Howard etc…
@oldska8ter Жыл бұрын
You shouldn't compare Goalkeepers with field players for impact I believe. But Dempsey had much bigger impact on EPL fans and public then those you mentioned. If you don't think so , that's your opinion, but I wonder how much you watched or followed EPL during their times there. Dempsey By far biggest impact , I think even stat's wise he lead. @@SocalMotoRx
@Brsf49ers Жыл бұрын
@@oldska8terMcBride definitely had a huge impact before Clint. There is a Fulham bar named after him.
@chamberlainwonder36911 ай бұрын
These are great legends that set up the great hierarchy foe today era.
@kurai910711 ай бұрын
Landon Donovan the best American player to have worn the red white and blue jersey colors . Thank you ⚽️
@alex1vid11 ай бұрын
AGES ago, I remember the days of big soccer and mentioning the guy needed a mentor. Didn't have to be an American either, just a mentor. He was doing something other American players hadn't. So what bugged me a bit was at Leverkusen he wasn't even the ONLY American there (Hejduk). I think his time would have been WAY different if the 17-18 year old Donovan got a: "Hey, eat dinner with us or my family" from a Hejduk or Nowotny, Schneider, etc. But that wasn't the culture and way things were. When Donovan was in Everton, he was older, had Howard BUT Neville really helped him out and took him under his wing. He's the type of guy that just needed that and the disappointment is that maybe he didn't get it when he needed it.
@thetruth1862 Жыл бұрын
They would have fared better in today's game with the support and structure for American athletes in Europe, but that's what Trail Blazers have to go through!
@hankdatank09 Жыл бұрын
I remember there was a special signing by Galaxy players at the Home Depot in Inglewood; there was 4 players there signing jerseys, posters, etc. Dunivant, Lewis, Buddle, and Donovan. I had my 2010 USMNT World Cup jersey (blue) they all signed gracefully. When I got to Donovan and handed him my jersey I said to him “I should’ve brought my Everton jersey instead” he replied “that would’ve been awesome!” He definitely enjoyed his time there.
@JohnDuarte-dx8kx11 ай бұрын
The Evertonians wanted Landon to stay.
@IIVIIOJICA1011 ай бұрын
This series are soo good. Love to see there prospective. Remind me of the LCS
@scottipippen65544 ай бұрын
I started playing basketball in the late 80s in Germany. During this time, the first euopeans came in the NBA. The narrative was exactly the same that we had when Landon came over to Leverkusen 10 years later. I still remember him being in the Bundesliga, even the games, he spent at may club, Bayern Munich. I always was curious to see him play, thought that he had great talent, but somehow could not translate it into the Bundesliga. Everything seemed to big for him. Now i know how he lived through these years here. How difficlut it was. I tent to say: difficult for the wrong reasons. He should have had a mentor at Leverkusen. Sad to know, that a club like Leverkusen, that brought so many great talents over from Brasil and formed them to world class players, failed to help a kid from california to bring the best out of him. Loved this interview. Wish Landon all the best for the rest in his life. And i want him to now: you left a mark here in Germany. Other US players came and showed us, that even boys from the US can play very decent ball. But i still wait, to them taking the same path that our europeans basketball players paved in the current NBA: being the best of the best!
@SQUeeK198411 ай бұрын
No matter the score, if Landon was on the pitch, you ALWAYS HAD HOPE!
@michaelschaeffer22915 ай бұрын
These videos are one of the best things on the internet right now. Nuanced, deep, and honest. Landon is right, we don't have them enough and always go surface level.
@kung_fool9 ай бұрын
Just to give more context, that Leverkusen team in the early 2000s were filled with many top players, that's why they got to the UCL final, though losing to Madrid. Names like Ballack, Lucio, Berbatov, even lesser known names but high quality players like Basturk and Neuville. It's difficult to break into the first team, for anyone, especially someone from a different continent with different culture. Without taking anything away from Landon, it was going to be difficult. Respect to Landon always, he was a top player during his era, especially for the US MNT. True legend for the game, and a wonderful character.
@shadowfax1462 Жыл бұрын
We love you Landon! You inspired a generation
@danielhamilton48363 ай бұрын
This is my new favorite channel! Love this content
@MrCarofilis4 ай бұрын
love seeing deuce and landon in this way! thank you for this
@officialdeanseda4 ай бұрын
Oh wow! This was filmed in Newark! I live very close to this location. I love the show! Keep up the amazing work, team ⚽️
@TimeWithRigo11 ай бұрын
Such a great video, legends of the game
@txbill2512 Жыл бұрын
Best sign I ever saw at a Galaxy away match: "Don't cry Landon, it's only an away game." Genius. In all seriousness though. Landon was easily one of the best players I've ever seen play the game. Really wanted his move to Everton to become permanent (I support the club) but couldn't blame LA for not wanting to lose him.
@TheLocdizzle Жыл бұрын
Dude walked his own path; I still rock my Donovan jersey for matches......
@injlescantorna327111 ай бұрын
Landon was a good played and the media done well to make him great. Dempsey was underated by the media and proved to be a great.
@maximusprimus827 Жыл бұрын
I love how talented our current group is but I really do feel that they don’t have the same heart and “dawg” in them that the old groups had.
@enriquevera315611 ай бұрын
Humble Brag 😂 I love this show. I love fútbol!!!!
@rodgermurphy57214 ай бұрын
This brings closure to parts of my youth
@jumbomacaroni Жыл бұрын
Donovan will always be Captain America I love his trolling of the Mexican national team.
@mjngope10 ай бұрын
Donovan made me to fall in love with how he play especially here in the 2010 WC held here in South Africa
@thetruth1862 Жыл бұрын
Kate is so charming 😊 what a great interview.
@chingon784 Жыл бұрын
Landon having the most assist in international football recently is kinda crazy
@thejackofalltrades5171 Жыл бұрын
Man what an interview!!! Legit. Great job Golazo.
@classicofutbol Жыл бұрын
Amazing interview
@cesarbriones24194 ай бұрын
Donovan 🙏🏼 you helped build this. Dempsey you made everyone take notice, they had to take us more serious.
@abdeldorado Жыл бұрын
What a team USA it was with them. Absolute respect.
@skillobangani4051 Жыл бұрын
I love Clint but Landon was a marvel to watch
@user-yu2vy4es1k11 ай бұрын
where was this filmed? loving the studio vibe.
@eliafadil7690 Жыл бұрын
Donovan, Dempsey, McBride . Miss those days
@albertol9654 Жыл бұрын
As a Mexican fan.. I use to hate Landon, i use to call him the Ice cream man(The Horror Movie) coz of his balding hair 😂. Not gonna lie he scored some nice goals against Mexico and is probably the best soccer player the US ever had.
@bmwmd1104 ай бұрын
If Landon's parents were as knowledgeable as Pulisic's, Landon would have been one of the best players in the world. Shame he didn't stick it out at Leverkusen. I had the same thing happen to me, but I only lasted 3 weeks and I was in England, I couldn't deal with the depression. I was too soft.
@allistar34 Жыл бұрын
damn kate is a great interviewer, asks direct questions to avoid the bs
@SaSpursFan11 ай бұрын
This is a Good series
@bluecalix Жыл бұрын
The two USMNT GOATs. Great video!
@winkles2314 Жыл бұрын
Landon, Clint and Brian McBride, those three were great to watch in the Prem
@georgethomson8493 Жыл бұрын
Charlie's side glances to Mo Edu are quality. Mo Edu scoring in1 the final minute against Celtic quality
@sk8ingdawg123 Жыл бұрын
I love this episode
@andriadipura63937 ай бұрын
Landon grew up in Los Angeles agglomeration area and then he was signed by Bayer Leverkusen, a good club based in a small town. Meanwhile, Clint grew up in a small town, and then he was signed by a club based in a metropolitan globalized city. Of course, Clint adapted socio-culturally easier than Landon did.
@alphonse8144 Жыл бұрын
love this. the usa legends man
@CliffordEiffler3 ай бұрын
Let's get Diego Valeri in on this. Invite Landon back to it. Would love to see the recounting of MLS experiences there.
@brentward30824 ай бұрын
“Respect” is much better than “like”.
@annbuckley8749 Жыл бұрын
Clint is the man
@DGoose512 Жыл бұрын
I love these type of interviews and the fact that Kate is able to draw out more insights from these guys. My criticism of these players perspective on their gen vs current gen is 1. Lack of acknowledgment about how much more talent/better some of these players are than them (like Landon and Clint ain’t sniffing the 11 for Dortmund, Chelsea, or Milan) and 2. They seem to dismiss “challenges,” this gen has to face. The reality is their gen was battling lack of respect and interest. And credit it to them for establishing the foundation and platform the current gen can operate from. But the current gen has to battle the weight of expectations and that is an equally tough fight. I don’t think the previous gen had the same expectations placed on them so they could always operate as underdogs. The current gen is expected to win and perform consistently at their club level and on the national team. It’s no longer good enough to make the World Cup, you must make the last 16. It’s no longer good enough to play in Europe you have to make an impact. That’s a whole different level of pressure/challenge these guys don’t seem to acknowledge here. Maybe because they never experienced it
@trackshun Жыл бұрын
This USMNT era is the one I wanted to see win. Same with mex
@mrvee53954 ай бұрын
Trivia: Who got the "hockey assist", IE the pass to Donovan, on the goal that Clint scored and he and Landon celebrated in the Gold Cup semis? None other than the legendary Freddy Adu. I believe the finals was Freddy's last National Team game.
@TischNew437 ай бұрын
Donovan played for Bayern Munich on loan in the winter 2008/09 following a request from then manager Klinsmann. A truly memorable quote is from Uli Hoeness quoting legendary Bayern coach Hermann Gerland: I wouldn’t start Donovan in our reserve team, he’s not good enough.
@ScorpFin11 ай бұрын
First time I hear Edu speak in depth, good dude.
@JackSchitt-p9t Жыл бұрын
35:10 This is why I always loved Deuce.
@Konformation078 ай бұрын
In all fairness to Landon, he had quite an effective loan spell in Everton in 2010 and Landon wanted to stay and Everton wanted to make it permanent and they were willing to make a deal. MLS said no.
@Gavin_Harris11 ай бұрын
Landon and Dempsey definitely the best but don't forget about my boy McBride!
@ramongonzalez5256 Жыл бұрын
To me Landon Donovan is my favorite player
@ljj3534 Жыл бұрын
Weston Mckennie and Weah are doing good at Juventus to
@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Жыл бұрын
doing well.
@tripperdelaluna1 Жыл бұрын
@@golden.lights.twinkle2329 too
@ashtoncap2161 Жыл бұрын
Am i the only one who noticed kate's accent slightly changed to an american accent???😂😂😂
@airsoftshooter5 Жыл бұрын
The national team still hasn’t produced a player thats surpassed either Dempsey or Donovan. Or a gk on Howard’s level
@kb5509 Жыл бұрын
That's the fault of your strange, money first grassroots system. Nobody else does that
@_Gustav027_11 ай бұрын
Pulisic is doing great for us 🖤❤️ Forza Milan
@Packy84216 ай бұрын
This is a great series. Kate is the best in the biz btw.
@scottsmith83814 ай бұрын
Locked in club starters, Pulisic Robinson, Balogun, Adams when healthy, and McKinney started most games for Juve.
@sNorENaDo7774 ай бұрын
Clint Dempsey is the greatest player of all time for team USA. He scored in the biggest matches. That's the difference
@guidofranco6764 Жыл бұрын
Me encanto este episodio. Next one with other US starts of the past?
@drjasonfreeman Жыл бұрын
I think it was the fans who were split on Dempsey and Donovan, but I never saw any animosity between Landon and Clint when they were playing.
@Gabriel-mn8fk.soccerplayer6 ай бұрын
Peace bro
@djBlue999 Жыл бұрын
Remember when Donovan slagged off Becks for going to Milan to keep up fitness for a World Cup? How he's changed his tune!
@rudyguili4782 Жыл бұрын
JR Smith never played for the Bulls, unless of course they mean Zhejiang Golden Bulls
@tcroweification Жыл бұрын
Landon needs to address his pk routine ..
@januarythird44724 ай бұрын
The Clint rant just broke the internet
@kevinumber75 ай бұрын
I again, was at Eric Wynalda 1st MLS goal in Santa Clara. Landon showed up in the then San Jose Clash and killed it. Made MLS once he moved to LA. But disappointment of his potential. Clint built cache in premier league. Pulisic is a star. Love all yall
@menelikjegna Жыл бұрын
Landon and Clint are US SOCCER legends. And yes, it's called soccer. Thanks for all the memories boys. You helped put us on the map.
@jcesarr0321 Жыл бұрын
Nope its not
@davepazz580 Жыл бұрын
@@jcesarr0321 It's called Association Football... of which "soccer" is a shortened term for.
@cavendar24 Жыл бұрын
@@jcesarr0321 Okay, fine. Quick history lesson. Originally it was just called football. An English sport that got spread around the world. When it got to America well as we do we rebelled a bit and started bending the rules. We decided to use our hands a bit. That's how rugby started. Eventually that got taken to a whole new level of stricture. That's where what we call football started. So at one point in time, we had all three: Association Football, Rugby Football, and Gridiron Football. Within a short time, all those got shortened so they were easier to say. Association Football became assoc football became soccer football became soccer. It was actually goofy brit kids who came up with the name, but obviously it didn't stick over there. The other two are more obvious. Rugby football became just rugby and Gridiron Football became just football. Phew. Now with that out of the way, yes, Landon and Clint will always be legends for fans of US soccer. The most iconic moments of US world cup games (at least that I can think of) featured these two giants. We need more like them.
@oldska8ter Жыл бұрын
Americans bastardized it, as usual
@golden.lights.twinkle2329 Жыл бұрын
Also Tim Howard, Kasey Keller, Brian McBride and Claudio Reyna. All played in England are were big successes.
@ajax72774 ай бұрын
Landon had soooo much talent and ability, that he was always seen as the “golden boy”. No one thought that he NEEDED adversity…