Dont sell your RTX 4090 for a 5070 | NVIDIAS Giant CES Lie

[@pcworld]

Yes, more people need to understand how to break down companies claims. -Adam

[@HanmaHeiro]

it's always nice seeing industry/ youtube people commenting on other youtube channels. Hi Adam!

[@HanmaHeiro]

After having now watched the video. I can only guess that youtube recommended me this video because of your comment. I've never heard of this youtuber before

[@drunkhusband6257]

They literally broke it down themselves....people are just dumb

[@tonymerasty]

wow all those 40 series rtx cards got jensen a new jacket lol

[@mr.electronx9036]

ray traced🤣🤣

[@rodriguezkev]

And we had to sell the clothes off our backs to get one 😂

[@MusicAdvocat3]

that's just the one you see... I'm sure he'll donate that cuz it got dirty being outside in close quarters >.>

[@flacohernandez4380]

Ay Eye generated jacket

[@MusicAdvocat3]

@@flacohernandez4380 XD

[@nev3rcore]

Radeon enjoyer here - no idea why there is such a gap between AMD and Nvidia but I haven't had any issues w/ Radeon over many years

[@Meeix]

I feel like AMD is still suffering a lot from how the situation was several years ago. The brand mostly has an image problem and its hard for them to overcome it, I just used the rx 7900 xtx in a build for my friend recently [video should be coming next monday] and I'd buy the xtx or xt again for any build thats planned in the next month. Super solid imo.

[@EXG21]

@@Meeix Second this. My 7900 XTX Merc has been fantastic.

[@Denniz69]

@EXG21Even my rx 6800 held up pretty well. The 3080 didnt if ur looking on Indiana Jones😁

[@DwanesanTV]

I switched to a 7900 XTX a year ago and sadly I’m one of the many’s that are dealing with tons of driver issues. The card itself is great and the price is one of the biggest selling points, but the GPU is driving me crazy sometimes with the wonky drivers. Im close to going back to NVIDIA when prices are reasonable. AMD is way better though in the CPU department

[@Andersonairchris]

​@@MeeixI still run a 7900xtx watercooled! It's a great card if you don't care about raytracing

[@NurembergSwampWater]

I have 4060... a 5070 would be a sensible upgrade. But getting one for retail is the hard part.

[@Kryptic1046]

One of my friends texted me after Nvidia's keynote raving about how the 5070 was going to be the same performance as a 4090 and I had to explain to him how that is not the case. Nvidia has told a lot of tall tales in their storied history, but this one might take the cake for the single most dishonest thing I've ever heard them say. It's just patently false, and anyone who knows anything about GPU specs immediately knew it was a lie.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

The coolest thing is they purposefully withheld multi frame gen from the 4090 in order to make the comparison even possible (in its own materials the 4090 has almost as many AI TOPS as a 5070 Ti). New form of planned obsolescence (if it wasn't obvious enough with single frame gen).

[@Kryptic1046]

@@Rafael-rn6hn Yep, and what's funny about that too is that one can simply use 4X lossless scaling on the 4090 and watch as it trounces the 5070@4X framegen. Hell I can run lossless scaling at 8X on a 3080 and presto! The 3080 is now the "same performance" as a 4090. Nvidia's claim about the 5070 is so easily disproven that it straight up verges on false advertising.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

@@Kryptic1046 It's a lie and a lie based on a situation they fabricated. And the fact that people are stupid enough to cheer for it proves Nvidia is right to lie to their faces. If consumers were smart, rather than cheering for the 5070, they'd be flaming Nvidia for withholding (single/multi) frame gen from previous GPUs and the 5070's piddling 250 cuda core increase over the previous gen and no vram increase.

[@xythiera7255]

​@@Rafael-rn6hnYou can us MFG on a 4090 with lossless scaling on steam even 10x of you want 😂 .

[@oo--7714]

Lossless scaling isn't as good

[@RIPSOE404]

They showed 4090 vs 5090 DLSS 3 vs 4.... But they didn't show the 4090 with DLSS 4 as it will get it minus multi frame gen. So considering the 4090 has way more Cuda Cores than a 5080, I expect it to do a lot better with multi frame gen turned off.

[@MrAnimescrazy]

Looking forward to the raster benchmarks of the 5090 vs the 4090.

[@PHDarren]

Old MacDonald had a farm Ai Ai O.

[@kevinerbs2778]

& AI there & Ai there Ai ai aI o!

[@toututu2993]

AI EVERYWHERE!

[@johanntu2602]

I have a 4090 - And will not sell them for AI.

[@rodriguezkev]

You still get most your money back if you did.

[@HanmaHeiro]

I have a 4090 and game on my 4K TV in my living room, I don't use DLSS or FSR but I have turned them on to see what it's like

[@jublywubly]

4K or "4K". That's another claim many companies lie about. Most supposedly 4K T.V.s are actually UHD, including my LG C1 OLED T.V. They claim the maximum resolution is 4K (4096 x 2160 pixels), but it's actually UHD (3820 x 2160 pixels). Even KZbin lie about their maximum resolution. They claim we can upload 4K videos, but they only support up to UHD.

[@HanmaHeiro]

@jublywubly you're right and specifically I game at UHD. My TV is capable of 4096x2160 but I forget why I set it to the slightly lower resolution

[@joseijosei]

​@@jublywubly That's... That's 4K tho. 3840 x 2160, UHD, 2160p, etc. You name it, but that's 4K. True 4K is slightly better and used on cinema. There is a difference between UHD 4K and True 4K, but both are 4K because the horizontal pixel count is around 4K. We don't call them 3.84K and 4.09K. I would understand if you told me 1440p isn't actually 2K and companies promote it at such, but 4K, for TV displays and montiros, is just 2160p.

[@mleise8292]

@@jublywubly I always found it nice that 4K (UHD) for monitors is exactly 4 times the pixels of FullHD. After all that means you can evenly scale up 1080p without moire and it supports Blu-ray in UHD natively. The only time I'd want 4096 pixels was, if I had access to original digital cinema files in 3996x2160 or 4096x1716. Quite an outlandish situation for me.

[@rodriguezkev]

@@jublywubly I wondered why my TV defaulted to 3820 instead of 4096, to be honest though I didn't know 4K and UHD were different resolutions.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

Unfortunately people will believe everything NVIDIA claims because they are the king of market-shares and the biggest players in the consumer GPU space.

[@HanmaHeiro]

I only got a 4090 cuz of a "it fell off the truck" sort of situation I found on offerup. No way I'm getting a 5090 and the AI boom into gaming

[@MrRafting]

50 series is impressive from an engineering perspective and that's about it. The whole DLSS/Frame-gen thing is annoying because it also forces devs to be more "lazy" and just say "oh people use DLSS anyway" therefore making raster (no RT, no upscaling/frame-gen) performance absolutely terrible (Black Myth Wukong is an example of that)

[@Meeix]

„gamers will have to be comfortable with the idea of not owning frames“ ~ nvidia devs probably

[@PiotrBarcz]

it forces nobody to be lazy, the devs are idiots if they're using DLSS4 as a crutch and not as an optimization that should only assist the best possible raw performance. nvidia HAS to push their machine learning code into their GPUs because the developers of huge games like Black Myth Wukong can't be bothered to build their games so they can actually run right!

[@chrisdash83]

the moment you said that thing about input latency i hammered the thumbs up

[@SiliconSteak]

3:03 👀

[@RZethusE]

Amazing kitty inserts at the intro during "AI" barrage. Def got a giggle out of me. Good analysis, and even better edit. Keep it up! Quality is top tier.

[@ProtomanZ]

Interestingly enough AMD didn't announce their own graphics card. There are a ton of rumours out there where some claims are made that it performs on par with a 4080. Very interested to see what AMD will release and how it performs.

[@deathfroude]

I think this was actually a very smart move by AMD! Just hoping their new cards are good, but at least they should be cheap(ish) thanks to team green shenanigans lol

[@xythiera7255]

​@@deathfroudeIt was not a smart movie they just had no other joys . Nvidia flatend them

[@Audiosan79]

I have my doubts about 4080 performance. But 4070Ti Super performance, and maybe a little beound may be possible. Anyway, i will get a 9070XT to try it out and replace the 6950XT. I just have to decide if i want the Asus TUF or the Powercolor Red Devil this time. The 7900XTX Red Devil will remain in my main rig.

[@TikkaQrow]

The bigger issue is Chinese buyers are willing to buy 4090 GPU cores and VRAM for $1000+ dollars, removed from teh PCB, becuase US sanctions, so a LOT of Ebay 4090s that look new or are barely used will not actually have a GPU. There's already been swathes of 'New in box' 4090s popping up on the east coast that simply don't work. So, since it's new, you try to RMA it, Manufactuer sends it back, maybe a little angy about you trying to scam them, and by the time everyone figures out 'so & so' seller on Ebay was resposible, they've long cashed out and closed up shop after selling a pallet's worth of heatsinks for $1500. Be careful with your purchases out there folks.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Yeah, sucks, just another problem to deal with.

[@marioslrzn]

Why would anyone sell a 4090 to upgrade to a 5070? I think only option would be a 5090 or wait for the 6090 in 2 years

[@randohuy9446]

Problem with this gripe is that most people don't care. If it looks good enough and runs good enough, that's enough. So, if they can pull that off, it's a go.

[@bthjf12003]

Not too worry - even the government here in the UK is going full AI to fix everything. They've got no idea what it is but according to the press memo it's a “supercomputer” which will have sufficient AI power to play itself at chess half a million times a second” ;-) Sound like an Nvidia memo

[@Meeix]

lmaoo, do you have a source for that? would love to read up on that

[@bthjf12003]

@@Meeixtry to post the link but google is deleting my post . It’s was in the guardian uk

[@ArmallorySphere]

did a double take with that intro, thought that I was going to see der8auer

[@derkuma]

I like DLSS Quality Mode, it's great in most games to get great visuals and good performance (talking 1440p @ ~120fps capped on high-ultra presets) without fully loading the gpu (lower fan rpm, less noise). But i've never used their Frame Generation outside of Benchmarks, to see numbers go up, it just doesn't feel right while playing games. Higher framerates (lower frame times) aren't about smoother visuals only but also less input latency. I know Nvidia is trying to prevent that with another feature, Nvidia Reflex, but using Reflex without Frame Generation results in even less latency. In conclusion: I don't see myself using Multi Frame Generation anytime soon. Great video! It's important to wait for independant reviews from multiple sources before buying.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

Reflex 2 is arguably even worse than multi frame gen since they're trying to predict the next frame with only information from the previous frame. Imagine you trying to play a competitive shooter with the GPU hallucinating stuff that isn't there or not showing stuff that is.

[@derkuma]

@@Rafael-rn6hn Could be, yes. :D I hope some reviewers will test these scenarios. So we know which combination is best in terms of latency and visual quality. :)

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@Rafael-rn6hn It uses information from the game itself too as far I'm aware. Same with DLSS. You think they'd release something that would cause artifacts that would be game breaking? Nvidia's too good for that.

[@peterfrank1105]

WoW? - 2k. max. Settings - 165fps with my 6800xt. I dont need Nvidia.

[@Tubes78]

I don’t know a single 4090 owner who would make this trade.

[@PiotrBarcz]

I don't know why anyone would upgrade period from a 4090. If you need more performance from that monster then you need to go and hound the devs to optimize their goddamn games.

[@datriaxsondor590]

I would have some semblance of confidence in the RTX 50 series, if genuine AI actually existed. This slop they masquerade as AI, is hilariously insulting to the very term.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Artificial intelligence is a ridiculous term in its own right. Computers can't think. They can create the illusion of intelligence but all it is is just code designed in a way that it can take inputs and deal with them in a more efficient manner for certain tasks. The correct term is machine learning and the stuff Nvidia has right now is PEAK.

[@GamesOnline-t8r]

people dont understand that companies running out options and turning into scamming mode

[@ieye5608]

Still using 3060 12 gb, it still work well for a $300 card. I don't think I can panic but any of the 50s card, it will be gone before the web page refresh.

[@Besotted85]

4090 performance from a 5070 for that price. Do they ever tell any truths these companies? Where i come from, if you lie, you´ll get Hell, and you´ll get it STRAIGHT away! People are getting away with FAR too much!

[@rodriguezkev]

4090 with frame gen has more performance than a 5090 in that case lol.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@@rodriguezkev 5090 has more cuda cores and next generation architecture, tensor cores, RT cores, and CUDA cores. There is NO WAY it's getting less performance than the cinderblock of the 40 series.

[@PiotrBarcz]

Do you not realize that Jensen expressly stated that performance would be *impossible without artificial intelligence* ? Why don't you actually listen to what's being said before making stupid statements.

[@rodriguezkev]

@ It was a joke, Jensen compared the 5070 with multiple frame gen to a 4090 not using any.

[@PiotrBarcz]

@ Yeah, the 70 cards NEVER are able to match the 90 cards of the previous generations in most scenarios unless they use optimizations and not just raw performance.

[@ThisGuy-kk1lp]

I'm worried about the life expectancy of the 5090 founder edition the PCB is so small and if it doesn't get proper air flow I can see a lot of GPU's dying.

[@TikkaQrow]

They're chewing as much electricity as a microwave or small air conditioner unit on their own. I honestly won't be surprised if some older US homes have electrical fires trying to run a 5090 and Window AC unit on the same room circuit.

[@planexshifter]

Nah Fuses and breakers my friend…

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

My real concern with the 5090 right there. The 32GB vram is really the best thing it's got going but pushing 575w through a single power connector is not appealing.

[@laszlozsurka8991]

@@Rafael-rn6hn In fact it's dangerous. A regular 16 pin connector can draw up to 600W of power and 575W is dangerously close to 600W in fact I dare to say that under full load the 5090 might even surpass 600W and will cause the connector to melt.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

@@laszlozsurka8991 Well, the new connectors have also lessened tolerance as compared to the old PCIe power connectors used up to the 30 series so sticking close to that limit sounds like bad times. But the gaming community seems to have a very short memory and just forgets all about these problems in a couple of years and just gets excited for the next product. Heck, I even had an issue with a power adapter on my 4090 with a few slightly burnt contact pins (I caught it because I regularly inspect it) and I'm definitely not pulling 600w. We're likely to be in for a few more rounds with the 5090.

[@joseijosei]

I have two good reasons to NOT get a 5000 series, is you own a 4000 series: 1. We are expecting the rasterization performance on the 5070 to be worse than the 4070 Super, and the 5080 to be slightly above the 4080 Super by 8%. 5090 is fine if you have the money, and the jump is decent, but the TDP is way too low for those specs. Also, not even the 5080 will give you 4090 performance, altho an overclocked 4080 gets closer, so of course there is hope for an overclocked 5080 to get even closer. 2. Multi-frame Generation isn't much useful than Frame Generation (the one that is going to be updated for 4000 owners btw) for people who own a 4080 or 4090, unless you play at high refresh rate (120 Hz or more) 4K, or, 1080p/1440p with 240Hz or more. Why? Because at 4K DLSS is enough to get to over 60 fps, and you do want that base framerate for latency, even with Reflex, but if you have over 120 fps and you need Frame Generation, then each generated frame is a lot harder to make, so you never get double the base framerate you have, which is why Multi-frame Generation would help with 120Hz or more. For 1080p/1440p you do double that base framerate, and it's truly hard to NOT get to over 80 fps or even 90 fps at base with DLSS. That would give enough to be at either over 180 fps or around 180 fps, which is fine for VRR with a 180Hz monitor, and enough of a reason to NOT want to use 3X or 4X. Not only not needing it, but NOT WANTING it, unless that, like I said, you have 240Hz or more. It's already hard enough to deal with Frame Gen at 120 Hz because turning on Vsync on the Nvidia control panel means your base framerate is 60 fps. 144Hz is a bit better for Frame Gen, but Multi-frame Gen? Take that as niche. People who didn't try it might be thinking "but if my framerate is 30 fps, then I can turn this on to get 120 fps, and with Reflex latency is fine". Yeah, no. That's not how you want to use it. It's better to not use Ultra and lower your settings to High, or/and turn DLSS on, always. You do not want to use this with 30 fps. It's not going to feel great. There are 3 ways to improve perceived motion fluidity, and one is by making motion clarity better. You pretty much always want to aim for that, and a higher base framerate helps for image clarity, to avoid artifacts, and to have a much lower input latency. The 5070 would only perform like a 4090 having much higher input latency, way more artifacts and worse motion clarity.

[@AdmV0rl0n]

I saw this pop up in my algorythm videos page. Meeix, good job. You are wise from what I see. My own take here is that - there are currently games taking place on cards and mem compression. And, things like mem speed and latency while real, can be misleading between gens. I'm not a fan of fewer encoders, or less memory. I also would *never entertain a 4090 care of melting power connectors - but then I'm not even in the space to play or buy 4090 kit. My GPU is a 1650 :P Anyway - good vid!

[@spenmac]

Yep, the 5000 series is the tech equivelent of snake oil with all this Ai-enshitification.

[@erwinmulder1338]

It's easy: If you want the real 50xx card performance, divide all FPS by 4.

[@Jackthetraveller]

Lets go A.I better fps better power bill better price

[@chucklesx]

Software solutions are perfect for Nvidia from a business standpoint. If they give us a 2x or 3x performance increase on the hardware side it is permanent and can be used with any software. If they do it on the software side they keep control of it and being a proprietary technology they can charge developers for using it to optimise their products. That and the fact that it is virtually a free by-product of their commercial AI r&d work. I don't like it as it is anti consumer imo, but it is what it is, makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

[@JHawke1]

Really good video, very well explained, subbed

[@EW_SUN]

Tht music in the end is the reason I'm subscribing 😅

[@halicon7475]

People need to be patient and let all the other fools buy them first and see what's really going on. Companies have burned consumers too much the last 20 years.ill keep my 4070ti for some time

[@thomaskletzl6493]

the thing is i dont have a problem with dlss i have a problem with false adversiting and bad game optimisation. Still rocking my strix 1070ti works fine for my 1080p60fps monitor

[@shanehenrie5326]

I look forward to the progression of lossless scaling tool .

[@OverdosedCaffeine]

I only know of Meeix from twitch with the blizzard esports scene but this was indeed a well made video. I just discovered that you make this type of content on youtube channel. Here's hoping you grow up this side too, best of luck to you Meeix! Seriously thank you for making a video like this and spreading awareness. It is fascinating that we are paying more to get less from the world's most valuable companies. This has nothing to do with the new hardware, the hardware itself (from 4090 to 5090) makes about 6-7FPS difference. This is just a giant marketing for AI and DLSS 4 in disguise of a "new gen" RTX. If you must get a new graphics card in 2025, I would say sit this one out brothers and sisters. Maybe go for AMD or hell, even Intel with B580 if you don't mind midrange.

[@djwave28]

I wonder where the AI frames are generated in terms of VRam. If Nvidea gives us less frames, but smooths it up with AI, maybe that's why it needs less VRam.

[@Paul_Hardy]

The word "performance" is the issue here. Performance isn't the FPS, that's the result of the performance. Performance is the actual processing capability of the GPU. In order to measure performance you could run something like a very heavy render in Blender™ I guarantee that if you were to do this, the 4090 would absolutely demolish the 5070.

[@MusicAdvocat3]

wow I just found you by clicking this and first I'll say you are a pleasure to watch and listen to, plus I admire your ink! Mainly thank you for confirming and voicing my immediate suspicions. I have felt like Jensen is the last person on earth to apply any trust or reasonable listen to. He's after his advancing his own agenda while filling his pockets. He's spouted nothing but click bait since the 30's series for sure. anyway, thanks for your vid!

[@Phoetros]

what mic did you use. so warm voice!!!! Love it!

[@Meeix]

Hi, I use a Shure SM58 🤝

[@Meditations2024]

I don't believe RTX 4090 owners ($1,600+) are going to be buying an RTX 5070 ($550+?)... Frame smoothing is very real and it absolutely will be a factor in 99% of people's next GPU purchase (Just look at the Steam Charts for last gen alone...OUCH!). I suspect the RTX 5080 ($1,000+) will be on par with the RTX 4090 in raster anyway. With *double* the frame smoothing capability.... RTX 4090 owners are getting the RTX 5090 though ($2,000+) & they won't even blink twice while doing that...

[@NomadicArtist-p2q]

I'm dropping Nvidia. I've been building computers since the early 80's and I've reached the point of no return with the BS. We need to push back and deny their crap from all manufacturers.

[@gruiadevil]

You're saying that the 5070 is going to be choked up by it's small VRAM like it's a bad thing. The 5070 might be into that :)))

[@Audiosan79]

🤣

[@myke1380]

let's see the actual review when it's out in the wild

[@ldraco]

I think the 5090 is the card to get for me, as a 4090 owner seeing the prices here in Europe is around 2200,- for a a 4090 still. And future monitor upgrade will be a 4k 240hz oled monitor.

[@LeePhan79]

I play on a laptop with a 4080 12GB Vram. You should check out the comparison from a 4080 to a 5070 in the mobile space.

[@griz3245]

So dont sell my 3060 for a 5070? I cant afford none of them 😂

[@toututu2993]

AMD option would be better and cheaper. You might wanna upgrade that weak RTX 3060 to RX6700 as well😂

[@PiotrBarcz]

Why would you upgrade the 3060? Those things run just fine. 3060 ti is a great card too if you want a bit more performance.

[@griz3245]

@PiotrBarcz its just fun to poke at that mentality of some people, sell the 4090 for the 5090.... must have must have. My 3060 just replace my 1660s like 4 months ago

[@PiotrBarcz]

@ The 5090 isn't worth upgrading to unless you're doing insane productivity and gaming that requires the most power you can get. It's a good choice if you're building a new computer entirely though.

[@manofyeo]

Been waiting for an all "AI" edit. Thanks for that! I'm sure well see many more in the near future...

[@Meeix]

the terrifying thing is that this was very small percentages of the presentations… if i had used every single one it would’ve been 30mins easily 🥲

[@manofyeo]

@@Meeix I know, I was listening to the key note just imaging gamers nexus doing a supercut and it being like 20 mins long. I can't wait till dumbass AI is no longer the buzzword.

[@ryujigoda3445]

They swindled us refund now😢

[@guidowasner7575]

i think nvidia did a great job with their 40 series.. my 4090 custom water cooled is just doing the job quite well.. and i dont think its worth buying every new generation of graphic cards.. i upgraded my 1070 to a 4090 and it was HUGE! and because of that, i think my 4090 will be replaced by a 8090 or sth like that, just keep calm and use your stuff till it broke or will be really outdated :)

[@dezpotizmOFheaven]

No sane person would sell a 90s card to go for a 70s card... come on! I have a 4090 and I wouldn't even go for a 5080... 90 again or nothing. 😂

[@provokateurin-dp6br]

very good summary of the topic!

[@Counterfeitcast]

Too late, I buried my 4090 in the back yard :(

[@PiotrBarcz]

Look at the bright side! You can make full ray traced 4K graphics running at 27 fps NOT an eyesore! Seriously, who wouldn't want to be able to run that kind of quality at over 100 FPS? The latency also increases by only a few milliseconds with frame generation and, less than 5 from the tests that I've seen, that is NOT significant. The losses are also MASSIVELY cut down by DLSS4 and the Reflex 2 technology (if you're not using those two then you're doing it wrong and you should stop complaining about Nvidia and complain about the devs not making their games run properly). If you want lower latency then play games that are actually properly optimized and on low graphics settings. If low latency is such a priority you are NOT going to be focusing on graphics quality, you're gonna be panicking trying to kill people with as low input latency as possible so you don't miss a shot. Jensen did NOT lie when he said the 5070 could match the 4090. He stated specifically it would be impossible for it to do so without the machine learning side of things. If he was going to lie he'd be saying 4090 performance and not saying anything about the brand new DLSS algorithm for version 4 (WHICH REDUCES VRAM USAGE DUE TO LOWER RESOLUTION RENDERING, that's how they get away with the 16 GB of vram that for some odd reason EVERYONE is complaining about when most people still run off of 12 or lower, in laptops mostly 6 GB of VRAM and that's it, be happy with what you got for christ's sake). Oh and another note: It's not like the 4070 outperforms the 3090 by a large amount (less then 15 percent), neither does the 3070 out perform the RTX Titan or even the 2080 ti significantly (also less then 15 percent) WHY WOULD THE 50 SERIES BE DIFFERENT?

[@Denniz69]

Great video with roman 🙂👌

[@TikkaQrow]

From the nvidia website where you can compare cards, they ommited 50 series TFLOPS values, but they gave us everything to calculate it anyway. CUDA cores x Clock x Instructions per clock 5070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super 5070 Ti = 43,904,000,000,000 flops (44 TFLOPS) 5070 Ti is 0% faster in raster than the 4070 Ti Super

[@rotm4447]

There is going to be an increase from somewhere, they aren't that stupid. If they couldn't get higher clocks or density then they would have just cranked the power and made the chips bigger.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

@@rotm4447 As far as can be seen in Nvidia's own marketing material, the increase is in RT performance and other than that multi frame gen they locked away from the 40 series.

[@rotm4447]

@ I know that, that isn't going to fly. Multi-frame isn't voodoo amd will have a version cooked up. I don't even think people are going to use it over 1:1 anyway.

[@mr.electronx9036]

50 series is just a software upgrade and ada + + gen...that's all btw the display out is connected via flex cable

[@andythebigshow4819]

Dam, was waiting for the 50 series for my new rig. Now I am more confused what to update my 1080 with.

[@chucklesx]

The 50 series won’t be bad cards by any means and the 5090 especially will be a beast. It’s just that generation on generation the true processing power uplift will be nothing special. If you use it for stuff that can benefit from the AI performance happy days, if you are a gamer that wants low latency performance then not so much imo at least

[@stephanhart9941]

It is So dope to see a female tech reviewer who actually knows the tech! Not just a pretty face reading a teleprompter. I could tell right away. Instant Sub! Much Success on YT.

[@scarfaceReaper]

I think the majority of ppl who don't even know much about PC hardware laughed when they said the 5070 is on the 4090s level and than showed the specs only to be misleading and followed by some early benchmark that shows the 5070 is almost the same with everything on, frame gen and Nvidias lossless scaling -2.0 😂 So on raster it's slower... probably only a refreshed 4070ti

[@theonerm2]

I think people are smarter than you give them credit for. People watching that presentation who also had an RTX 4090 were enthusiasts.

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

That "creative use of language" was not aimed at flagship buyers. And it worked too... plenty of people willing to defend Nvidia till death over this.

[@Zuluknob]

LMAO, why would anyone do that anyway, sell 4090, buy 5090

[@georgem.6136]

Need to see those Port Royal scores first lol

[@renanmonteirobarbosa8129]

More you buy, more you save

[@XeqtrM1]

Even if it does peform Same as 4090 because of dlss 4 it still only has 12 gb vram

[@mrnobody6889]

lol 😂 I missed a lots of Ai 🤣 thank you ma'am for telling me 😂

[@-Snakekiller-]

Yes, I have been pointing out the problem with latency for over 2 years. That's why they came up with this Nvidia Reflex. But in my opinion, that doesn't completely solve the problem. I always try to avoid and turn off DLSS and FG. The image simply looks blurrier with DLSS and FG means you can notice a lot of delay when entering data with the mouse and keyboard. That's why the RAW DATA values ​​from the new graphics cards are much more important and interesting for me. When the parts are sold and the first REAL tests come out, THEN I'll deal with them. NOT before then! The only interesting thing I found was that the RTX5070ti will come with 16GB VRam. That seems like a better deal for the price. But as I said... let's wait for the real tests first!

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

I think raw performance in the new GPUs will be pretty disappointing. All that's being improved upon (as per their marketing materials) is ray tracing and frame gen.

[@-Snakekiller-]

@@Rafael-rn6hn Let's see what the cards will actually cost in the end. The RRP / MSRP is unfortunately only a guideline and the prices given, e.g. for the 5070ti with 16 GB VRam (instead of the predecessor 4070ti with "only" 12 GB VRam), are not fixed prices. And yes, I am also curious to see what the actual performance will be in the end.

[@tomthomas3499]

Why didn't they include raster performance bugger me as well, 50 series having better RT cores is to be expected, so 30% RT improvement might not translate into 30% raw performance improvement, but eh at least they didn't increased the pricing this time, outside 5090 that is..

[@outtheredude]

RTX 4090: 443.5 gigapixels/s, 1290.2 gigatexels/s, 82.6 Teraflops (Single Precision) RTX 5070: 161.3 gigapixels/s, 483.8 gigatexels/s, 30.97 Teraflops (Single Precision) RTX 5070 apparently achieves RTX 4090 performance with around 36% pixel performance, 37% texel performance, 37% single precision Teraflops, and the magic fairy dust that is AI.

[@mmcjohn3044]

Dahts what happens when you give one Company to much power and Destroy the Competition they can sell you evrything they want at what price they want! And yes High Latency is a no go

[@shawnadams1965]

I'm not going to sell my 4070 for a 5070.

[@nessim.liamani]

Thanks. Very informative

[@Kathyoftheglade]

as some one who is going to be building a new pc for the first time in 7 years i think i am going to be very happy with the 5070TI as im upgrading from a 1070TI.

[@-Snakekiller-]

I had the same experience at the beginning of 2023. I also had a 1070ti and then upgraded directly to a 4070ti, with a completely new PC (and a CPU that was far too powerful ^^.. completely unnecessary). I was very glad that I hadn't bought the 2000 and 3000 series. At the time, the cards were much more overpriced than they are today. (even though they still cost a lot, price = performance comparison) I haven't regretted it to this day. However, with the 5000 cards you should really wait for the tests and compare them directly. I also have the feeling that the performance increase could be a little worse than before. The only advantage of the 5070ti is that it will have 16GB VRam instead of the 4070ti's "only" 12GB VRam. That's important (for games, for example).

[@pipebomber04]

Rtx 4090 is a strong gpu that can last you at least 3 years more. Why do some people have the compulsion to buy a new gpu evry year????

[@sir1junior]

If you have 4090 you shouldn't be trying to get 5090.

[@nowherebrain]

EDIT: I checked one of your older videos...and it seems you were in a german guild..so I am almost 100% certain you are Ami / Deutsch....bit of both...beide...liked. Not taking a stab at you, but are you mixed nationality..like dutch/german + american?? or do you have a speech issue..I am honestly just curious.. spending the whole video trying to deconstruct your lip movement and pronunciations .....please answer :)

[@Meeix]

im a german who was raised bilingually. so 0% american, i just enunciate strongly compared to most other people, not a speech issue.

[@nowherebrain]

@@Meeix ok, makes sense..I can catch it with your "th" sounds and some other stuff...I live in trier as an american, my wife is german so, I see both worlds...thanks for the reply... machs gut.

[@bedford1941]

i am in england and wamnt to buy a strix 4090 oc but they have all sold out for this new cards , sucks for me as i want to build my first water cooled pc

[@toututu2993]

RTX is garbage. Get AMD or Intel instead

[@Zuluknob]

@@toututu2993 no

[@Nyarlane]

I'm currently using a 4070 & 5800X3D on 4k. Thinking about selling the 4070 and getting something bigger when the time comes. Paying 1k€ + for a 5080 with 16 GB sounds kinda stupid to me.

[@jakejoyride]

why not Radeon 9070xt?

[@Nyarlane]

@@jakejoyride Yeah I just thought go smart and get Radeon 9070xt or i go really stupid and buy a 5090 lol

[@deathfroude]

the latency is going to hurt peoples souls! (I would write more, but shocked by finding out size matters..... years of lies!) haha

[@andrewjarvis7777]

nah just ordered an asus 4070 super last night. i'm good for a while now hooray me.

[@MovingTargetMT]

I really like your tattoos 😎

[@evilfreakofdesboesen]

I loved DLSS but Frame Generation isn't good. And i only like DLSS because my raw power of my 3080 isn't enough for most of the Games in 4k Anymore. Also i think if my displays says its 240 FPS and it feels like 60 becuase 3/4 of alle Frames are not real doenst make any sense to me. It's marketing to fool people. If the raw power to Price is somewhat ok i consider upgrading but maximum to a 5080 because i'm not Elon Musk. Also all the cards come with not enough VRAM so waiting for super oder TI Variants is maybe wiser for me and 4k Gaming. Thx for the Video Meeix!

[@genasgenas]

Rumors say that 9070xt will have x8 Frame generation and will be twice faster than 5090! And only for $499! The less you spend, the more you get. *Source - trust me bro.

[@Audiosan79]

Funny thing is. If we use a little Jensen math, the rx7800XT is as fast as the 4090. And the 7900XTX is 70% faster than the 4090. We just slap on some AFMF and call it a win. And see, we did it whitout the use of AI.

[@ThomasAnderson-d6m]

Should I replace my 3060 with a 5070?

[@snozbucket]

I mean if a 4090 owner sees this and sells it to get a 5070 then why not lol, bit of natural selection if you ask me, but honestly I urge people to actually look into the techtuber segment and see their thoughts, some of them will explain better in detail. Meeix no offense love your stuff but it's very clear that you're not really presenting this fairly.

[@CUSTODYIN]

eh eigh? "4090 performance in the 5070!". I understand why they are pushing this technology, and that it will only get better, but it feels like the generational leaps of graphics performance has been hindered by crutches like AI upscaling and frame generation. What are we even doing when 75% of the game is being generated by AI? I got a 4070ti a few years ago, I'm glad I don't feel the need to upgrade.

[@SvenWild]

Good video :) When I heard AI AI, I knew new GPUs are doomed. All that overhype about 4K and 8K gaming is really stupid. I'm still really happy with my i9-11900K CPU and RX 7800 XT GPU, and my 1080p IPS 144Hz 27-inch monitor. So, if any AMD or Nvidia worker sees my post, then know that I hate AI fake frames and input lag.

[@anahata8870]

I did sell ny 4090 for a 5070 ti, its good money and i do not need it at all :-) pretty happy with that, i run a gt730 atm with 2 gig vram and its good 👍

[@GoldenMechaTiger]

Dont you worry, I'm too poor to own a 4090 so there is no risk here! 🎉

[@RJTHEGAME]

It's why I don't like Nvidia, full of lies and can easily trick new PC gamers

[@Esnibiru]

I started to watch the video based on its title. Honestly speaking I was much more focused on your look/beauty than the content though.

[@brudel001]

KZbinrs giant nVidia lie. Jensen never said at the keynote that the 5070 has the same performance as 4090 raw or natively but stated right away that it would be impossible without the AI and then proceeeded to explain the MFG. So the point is that 5070 can achieve same performance as 4090 with DLSS 4. It was clear and obvious and said but well I guess that doesn't bring in the clicks.

[@Meeix]

If you watch the video, I say that. Unfortunately we live in a time where people just share partial information and don’t bother to look up the rest. I’ve seen plenty worrying comments across several social media platforms from people who aren’t as tech savvy.

[@1vaultdweller]

Average Nvidia customer is the embodiment of technologically illiterate so.... dont hope to enlighten them

[@Th3Toppi3]

Nvidia are so bad for our industry and are responsible for the epic prices of GPU's! Terrible company!

[@CHADCHOPS]

But I’m looking to finally upgrade my 2080 from panic sales of the 40 series, don’t show the video lol