DOOMED BEFORE THEY TURNED A WHEEL? How Caterham Came and Went (2010-2014)

[@AidanMillward]

“Where’s the video on the Mexican Grand Prix???????” Not here, clearly. Cos I’m not near my computer. I’m in north east England visiting my parents so I’m not anywhere near a computer right now. Fridays video should be on that. I’ve got enough time to rip on the mental gymnastics that’s coming out of some people. 🤣

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

Suddenly, that Trump ad at 12:27 makes so much more sense....😉

[@markalbert9011]

"visiting my parents so I’m not anywhere near a computer right now."😂

[@eamonahern7495]

That Lotus registration plate looks a bit like Audi BZX

[@elbeto191291]

You saw what was about to happen this weekend and had this video ready, nice one

[@AidanMillward]

@@elbeto191291 made it last week. Ended up doing five videos in five days so my brain melted. 😅

[@Rosario_Verano]

Once the budget cap was scrapped, the writing was on the wall. They were done dirty.

[@ZwilnikSF]

I've still got a Caterham F1 wheel nut I got as part of the crowd funding auction for the last race :)

[@ianbutland844]

I got an entire wheel. It was the maximum my wife would let me spend

[@TouringCarsAndStuff]

@@ianbutland844you two should meet and put the wheel nut on the wheel

[@patrickhein6986]

The Blurring at 12:11 ! 😂 👍

[@nitrousoxide69]

Keeping that filth off the internet is appreciated

[@Woodie-xq1ew]

That picture is obviously from the Japanese Grand Prix 😂

[@ConnbineHarvester]

Formula D

[@RobbishVideos]

I'd forgot how ugly this era of F1 was 🤢

[@ovejrp1]

He forgot to blur it again @15:39... I am deeply offended 😂

[@Holden308]

I remember when Virgin came in and their big thing was Nick Wirth designing the car completely by CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics). No scale models and wind tunnels. All done by computer. After a while the joke with the Virgin VR-01 was that CFD really stood for Can't Find Downforce.

[@danielhenderson8316]

He also did the same thing with Honda in IndyCar during the aero kit period. Chevy hired Pratt & Miller to design their aero kit, and since they build jet engines in real life, they crushed the Nick Wirth Honda aerokit to such a degree Honda had to beg the series for a redesign after messing up their Turbo V6 engine.

[@doctorno1516]

Also, about 2011, the Caterham Lotus was originally gonna be black and gold as well, there are designs online, but then because of the Enstone team livery they reverted to green and yellow/gold.

[@kendallbudlow8423]

I still rock caterham's 2012 polo shirt

[@kitko33]

I have some backmarker paraphernalia - it's F1, it's dirt cheap especially when a team leaves F1, and it says 'this guy knows a think or two about F1' :D

[@waynetowers5046]

I always remember Kobayashi posting a picture of a botched together car & saying it was too unsafe to drive, I believe he did anyway, but he pointed out the corners cut & the FIA not giving two hoots about it. On another note, like Sato, and Takagi too for that matter, Kobayashi was a beast in the making, it's a pity he (they) didn't get the drives he deserved.

[@chrisdavidson911]

Kobayashi, the guy who looked like he was going to hit the wall of champions, got on the throttle and drifted down it

[@jordanpreexisting224]

Wasn’t Kobayashi slated to go to Ferrari at one point?

[@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames]

Kobayashi was another F1 driver that was never given the chance he deserved. The season (10, 11 or 12, can’t remember) that included the race in Suzuka where he was overtaking everyone at the hairpin was such a strong season for him.

[@stinkyroadhog1347]

You forgot to mention Katayama who was offered a seat at Benetton but couldn't take it because of a cancer diagnosis

[@thesfdoctor3603]

Sadly Bianchi's suicide overtake on Kobayashi in Monaco was the main reason why Kobayashi was unable to score 8th in Monaco. Otherwise we would be talking about a different story here. Plus, Barrichello was supposed to drive for them in those 2 races they missed, so sad!

[@apexinstinct]

Always loved the new small 2010s teams but Caterham was always my favourite. Something about being the underdog and that fantastic green livery

[@callumcjham4478]

12:38 - Thank you for blurring that disaster of a front

[@thekauders567]

still remember playing F1 2010 game . and i started with Lotus

[@jordanpreexisting224]

There’s a guy here on KZbin that bought a Caterham F1 car from the auction and he’s rebuilding it as we speak. But I’m too hammered to find the video. If you search it, he’ll probably pop up. Would make for a cool update video

[@fuller9x]

12:18 Oh My! That would cure anyone's hysteria.

[@barneyward6448]

12:21 The pixelated part 😆😆😆

[@Dr.Dawson]

When you get to Kelowna look me up. What a beautiful valley it is.

[@michaelpdallas]

Kelowna is mid. Location is great, the city isn't. I'm glad I moved out when I did 🫤

[@CorvairGuy69]

Censoring the proboscis of the 2014 car made me spit out my coffee. That is hilarious.

[@nowind37]

Now Both Proton and Lotus owned by Geely also can you make a video about marussia's road cars

[@Ikcatcher]

As a Malaysian, it still felt kinda nice supporting Caterham even if they weren't great. I even bought a team polo shirt a few years back.

[@ConnbineHarvester]

I always loved that Sepang Circuit.

[@leesavage8041]

Used to make a good exploration adventure going to the abandoned caterham factory

[@miscellaneoussarnian5282]

10:57 **insert Aguero moment here**

[@AidanMillward]

@@miscellaneoussarnian5282 best football moment ever. After Dean Keates thundercunted it in against Swindon to get Walsall promotion in 2007. 😅

[@ic3man]

I heard that in 2015 Caterham were going to run under some name with “Malaysia” in it with Mercedes engines (more than likely year old Mercedes engines. I think that Robin Frijins and Fabio Leimer might’ve driven for them if they had raced. Instead, Frijins went to Andretti FE and Leimer was going to Mugen with Super Formula, until his funding dried up.

[@vincentbruins8320]

Something I often forget about Caterham is that Christijan Albers was the team principal for the last couple of months. Possibly the most forgettable team boss of the 21st century.

[@kwanlinus6999]

You guys forgot Finbarr O' Connell, the GOATed Team Principal

[@ivaneurope]

Cyril Abiteboul was also a TP for a while

[@Totonator17]

​@@ivaneuropeHow can anyone forget him!

[@tescopepsi9679]

I swear everyone was a Caterham TP at some point.

[@LucasOliveira-tt2ll]

Lotterer driving in F1 was one of those shady deals that made Kolles a shady character. At least he is a good driver, deserved more opportunities in F1

[@bigkevonbass]

the pixelation on the nosecone! 😂😂

[@Trek001]

I got it... Thanks for the Jaffa Cake Edit: I remember the crowdfunding and, because of some odd legal technicality under English Law, anyone who donated to get the time to the last race was defined as a shareholder so I can quite truthfully say I was an F1 shareholder which has worked surprisingly well with the boys and girls Incidentally, when the debts started getting called in, High Court Enforcement Officers attended during the filming of the show "Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away" because the two JPS liveried cars were sat in the factory in a stripped down condition. Because there was some issues with payment, the High Court Enforcement Officers decided to take the cars as they were and a mechanic actually started to put old tires on to stick on a low loader. When the episode was broadcast, they never blurred any of the footage from inside the factory so other teams actually watched it on the late night repeats to gaze right inside the stripped cars and the factory to see what they were up to.

[@eamonahern7495]

SQ2 is also a customisable drum kit setup from the Sonor drum company. You can go on the website and build a virtual kit with it prior to ordering it.

[@benketteridge9150]

I was one of those crowd funders. I still use my caterham green leather card wallet every day.

[@turnercraig9953]

Another great video!

[@jonathanpatterson2798]

Brilliant as always

[@stefencooke]

Any plan on the Max Versapan vs Lando Noris incidents at austin and Mexico city

[@tturi2]

why did the two lotus teams not just combine? werent they both struggling for money?

[@GregBrownsWorldORacing]

Eventually Pastor showed up to team with Grosjean & he brought a few dineros. Prior to that I think the two teams could have merged their debts. There wasn't much cash coming in from much of anywhere. According to Matthew Carter: We were selling Free Practice seats as often as we could to bring in as much money as possible. Pastor had it in his contract his seat was never for sale. So Romain was missing a lot of free practice. So much in fact that Grosjean developed a real hatred for Joylon. We took the engine out of Kimi's winning Lotus & sold it for cash, I was laying off as many redundant people as possible, but I was an accountant, it was harder for me to know which people were redundant in an F1 team. [That's not a quote, that's just my recollection from several podcasts I heard featuring him]

[@duncansnowden6857]

There wasn't much love lost between them due to the fight over naming rights. Team Lotus (i.e., Fernandes) felt that Group Lotus (the car firm, i.e., Proton) had done the dirty on them by cancelling the licence just to go on and sponsor Renault, and Group Lotus felt that Fernandes was, frankly, being a bit of a bell-end in buying Team Lotus from David Hunt then telling all and sundry that he was the real Team Lotus while Renault was just a sponsorship deal. (Personally, I thought he was in the right at the time, and still do. For what that's worth.) By the time it was all, relatively amicably, sorted out, with Fernandes agreeing to sell Team Lotus to Group Lotus and carry on as Caterham, he was not Proton's greatest fan. I think he was probably quite pleased to see they were almost as deep in the muck as he was, quite honestly.

[@dukedub]

Ego is why there was no merger

[@minibus9]

Awesome video, it was a shame that it failed but sadly it was enivitable

[@zachjo1457]

They made Kobayashi hate returning to F1 😭

[@tturi2]

​@@bzilla-d4i ok Mr racist

[@bzilla-d4i]

@@tturi2 nothing racist about it, it's facts, they were literally the worst drivers on the grid throughout the 80's, 90's and 2000's. What's racist about that, I know racism buddy, I come from South Africa, grew up in Apartheid. You people want to call facts racist? You want to know how bad Japanese drivers are. We have more F1 Champions and Race winners than Japan, even one of our women has raced in F1. So no nobody is racist here. They can't drive. No Japanese driver has ever won an F1 race

[@bzilla-d4i]

@tturi2 nothing racist about it, it's facts, they were literally the worst drivers on the grid throughout the 80's, 90's and 2000's. What's racist about that, I know racism buddy, I come from South Africa, grew up in Apartheid. You people want to call facts racist? You want to know how bad Japanese drivers are. We have more F1 Champions and Race winners than Japan, even one of our women has raced in F1. So no nobody is racist here. They can't drive. No Japanese driver has ever won an F1 race

[@1greenMitsi]

@@bzilla-d4i koba was pretty decent actually, shame that Toyota had to quit

[@Ben_Mayall]

@@bzilla-d4iYuji Ide and Taki Inoue would like a word. They were next level drivers even better than Senna, Schumacher, Prost etc

[@polygonvvitch]

So Caterham/Green Lotus were the basement kings of F1.

[@tylergoke2524]

Let's all be thankful that the front of the Renault and the front of the Caterham didn't come together😂

[@ConnbineHarvester]

I dunno, explaining the front of that Caterham going up the back of another car might have been an entertaining watch!

[@Mr.Korzack]

I remember doing some quick noodle-maths a while ago, & I think to get anywhere near starting an F1 season nowadays as a new team, you probably need in the region of a Billion pounds, just to get on the paddock, never mind on the track in a competitive manner. All between infrastructure, staff hiring, the various FIA fees, buying & building parts, sponsorship arrangements, marketing, merch, and about 12 other things I've missed off because I'd be clueless in running a business, never mind a corporation. It's just not viable unless you've got some fierce backing behind you who'll inevitably want to call the shots, take credit when it works & scamper in a flash when it doesn't. Makes me sad the Minardi and Jordan days are gone, but I'm also glad I was able to see them

[@Chongo_657]

Loved it when you pixelated the 'Dong'... brilliant.

[@BW_87]

Those three teams were screwed from the get go, thanks to the lack of a costcap….Aidan literally said that as I was typing it…d’oh.

[@bumblebity2902]

Forgetting the confusing Renault history when they competing against theirselves during 80s

[@HangoverTelevision]

here is an interesting topic to look at: the race director for the year 1996.

[@ivaneurope]

I think when Tony Fernandez rebranded the F1 team to Caterham in 2012, it was an effort to sell more Caterham cars. But here's the problem that hindered Caterham (as well as Marussia and even Spyker during the indentity crisis the former Jordan F1 team had in the late 2000's) - it's not a mass manufacturer like Ferrari or Mercedes, but rather a niché brand that produces/sells up to say 100 cars yearly. And between 2012 and 2014 (when the F1 team was around) Caterham Cars was operating on a loss. BTW, Caterham was also delving in other projects such as a motorcycle division in Moto2, but that faded away quickly.

[@edwardburek1717]

12:11 Possibly a blessing in disguise that Viagra didn't sponsor the team...

[@sennadesillva]

lmao, I laughed so hard at you blurring out the nose

[@adc2987]

Roger Wilco I got that reference. Still got a terror beast whistle somewhere

[@slap_k_man1862]

Speaking as a Canadian that lived in Kelowna BC Canada why is that the place you would live if you won the lottery?

[@kevinprior3549]

Perhaps more on the story on why Caterham had QPR badge on it? I know why but some might not. Also a chat perhaps on the Chelsea badge on the Saubers?

[@jameswallace4974]

Even before the complete QPR acquisition, he was using the badge. As I remember, during the to and fro over the team name they subtly altered the logo on the engine cover to read "Team Loftus".

[@VonBlade]

8:20 Stellaris is amazing. Not keen on the Megacorp expansion, but otherwise it's the best 4X there is. It's "What if EU4 but in Space".

[@AidanMillward]

@@VonBlade I’ve never played it vanilla, only with the Star Trek New Horizons mod.

[@kitethebird9764]

I have like over 1000 hours in stellaris but never finished a run :D still love the game

[@AidanMillward]

@@kitethebird9764 same. Paradox drops a new patch that ruins save games too often 🤣

[@kitethebird9764]

@@AidanMillward aye agreed xD

[@Tacko14]

I liked the green/yellow and the black/gold together on track. Like they had planned it like that together, while they weren't on speaking terms but through their lawyers. But the Goodwood vibe was strong. I do wish Caterham had done better, they had my sympathy vote.

[@ATEC101]

Around 11:40 driver rant. Fangio might have because it would have been familiar.

[@brokentuskclan1795]

At the same time, F1 had Felipe Massa and Felipe Nasr sharing the grid.

[@LuminalSpoon]

Take a drink every time Aidan says "Lotus" 🥴

[@Tacko14]

They gave us the Hamster comment about extending the... nose... by pushing a blue triangular button. That's something. I'll bet noses like that would be ruled out by the FIA nowadays. Ben'd have a fit.

[@ConnbineHarvester]

You can't even make phallic cars anymore because of "woke" :P

[@chrisdavidson911]

They had no chance - none of them did - and it wasn’t their fault. Brought in under the promise of a cost cap that was replaced by the hybrid power units that cost a load more money. Established teams were complaining about what they were going to cost, where were these teams getting the money from to run them and develop a car around them? Billionaire adhd, even the car company appeared to be a mess for a while, and Caterham Composites just quietly disappeared.

[@mike04574]

could you do a video on bourdais? i was so hyped for his debut and i was so disappointed shortly after

[@dnukess]

Not F1 related, I know, but what away pubs would you recommend for the game next Saturday (also if you fancy a bev before the game, if youre going, just say)

[@wabba67]

In another universe, one of these new teams would've managed to scrape something together and they'd still be on the grid. But as you said, they were all doomed. Not sure if someone with limitless money would've even saved them, or had the patience to invest in a new factory or hire hundreds of more people, and wait for a few years for things to turn around.

[@nowind37]

well colin kolles planned to bring dacia after caterham left in 2015 but dacia denied the rumours *Dacia is Owned By Renault which is Makes the Bigger Picture

[@daveblock4061]

Proton actually made the Elise S1 in Malaysia.

[@burkezillar]

How Barton behaved during that game was weird. Definitely smells like he had a few quid on something during that game.

[@ConnbineHarvester]

He's quite the far-right scummer on the Twitter machine these days.

[@Trivaldo99]

12:15 blurred ‘dong’ 👏🏼

[@tombardsley3081]

On paper, they were the most prepared out of the new teams that joined 2010 even though their entry was confirmed later. They had the best driver lineup and had the right people. However, 2010 was the only year where you could say they met their expectations. 2012 was the start of the downfall given they were the only new team to have KERS and only managed to finish 10th thanks to the last race in Brazil when di resta crashed out as Marussia with no kers and still using cosworth were occupying 10th thanks to Glock’s performance in Singapore. It’s not a coincidence as well that Fernandes started losing interest, given he had the ownership of QPR by that point.

[@sandalogaming6766]

Mind you, in 2014 not only did Caterham had the dong, it also had the stepped nose in the early versions of the car alongside the dong… yeaaaaaahhh

[@kwanlinus6999]

Strapped something

[@simonbellamy67]

SQ2 Sprint qualifying 2. Now where my Jaffa Cake 😊

[@JaredAlwaysWatches]

So many bots, but yeah, your videos are cool

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Theres literally two. Two.

[@AidanMillward]

Four.

[@IndaloMan]

I love the way that in the last few videos the photo credits are out of sync with the photo images. Is it a deliberate action? 🤓

[@1greenMitsi]

was somewhat puzzled in 2014 how caterham managed sponsorship from 2 massive companies in airbus and general electric

[@FormulaGuppy]

1:20 Aidan, it will be you. We'll still be here but a smaller voice when u hit 1mill subs :)

[@Snufflegrunt]

Huh, I was thinking about this team only yesterday. Always had a soft spot for them. Easily my favourite of the 2010 newcomers. Sad they didn't survive as they usually had the better car of the three. Edit: How much crossover is there between F1 and football really? I swear 20-30% of this is football.

[@tombardsley3081]

They did fall back behind Marussia for 2013 and 2014

[@Snufflegrunt]

@@tombardsley3081 yes but they still had the better car of the 3.

[@tombardsley3081]

@@Snufflegrunt the marussia was better in both 2013 and 2014

[@Snufflegrunt]

@@tombardsley3081 yes according to the results, mainly Bianchi's luck at Monaco, but caterham still had the better car

[@tombardsley3081]

@@Snufflegrunt marussia had the better engine. Caterham had Renault. Marussia had Ferrari which was 2nd best behind mercedes. Even if bianchi didn't score, marussia would have still been p10 in the standings. Already had 2 p13s by that point and caterham had 1.

[@bmstylee]

Is it bad that whenever I think of Chaterham I think of Top Gear and the "sex aide on the front" joke?

[@ConnbineHarvester]

I remember hearing that relegated 2013/14 QPR players were on more money than Athletico Madrid's squad who got to the Champions League Final that season! I also remember being just as sad as you are that these 3 teams didn't make it. I think Bernie did more to hurt them than help them. I never liked him. Without these teams giving new drivers a chance, we have the (stupid in my opinion) scenario where all 20 drivers who ended last seasons F1 started this one. I already said months ago that I wouldn't watch F1 this year, I have gone off it a lot, and I dislike some of the commentators and presenters, Being average at NASCAR shouldn't get you a gig presenting F1 I watch Formula E, WEC, ELMS and a lot of drivers from those 3 failed F1 teams have managed to show how good they are in those series. I would like to check Indy NXT sometime, it doesn't seem to produce big stars looking at past champions but there are a few very interesting stories behind some of the drivers there, and 2 of them are Irish (like me). I actually never heard of this Finbarr Greencar dude before now so that was interesting!

[@darragho6358]

Sorry aidan but nots not italy anymore in rugby that spot is now occupied by wales

[@ConnbineHarvester]

That is harsh! Benetton Treviso are better than the 4 Welsh sides in the URC but that is still harsh!

[@yeg466]

Kelowna??? Have you been there?

[@AaronWeissRocks]

Kelowna is beautiful.

[@Mishima505]

Finbarr O’Connell? Pity his surname wasn’t Saunders!

[@stefencooke]

Still like the Lotus vs Lotus time

[@AntoniusTyas]

With that scum Gerard Lopez mentioned, you probably need to write a story of how he almost killed Lotus and Team Enstone simultaneously. As well as managing to kill very much every sports team he ever bought. Case in point, Royal Excel Mouscron and latterly Girondins de Bordeaux.

[@juanson69]

12:10 🤣🤣🤣

[@apexinstinct]

💚💚💚

[@stewartbailey1653]

As with all the teams that came in, in 2010, they were screwed by the other teams going against the cost cap Max Mosley wanted to bring in. They may have made a difference if they were able to run with the budget they'd planned for, but all three of the teams were screwed as soon as Max backed down.

[@nitroholic2002]

Aidan, hit me up if you ever end up in Kelowna! (I’ve got family down there, I popped huge for that line :))

[@kevinprior3549]

Team Lotus or Caterham never really got going did they.

[@cozzy4447]

Why did you censor the picture of the car 😂 its a front wing not a DIL-DO is youtube that bad now

[@AidanMillward]

@@cozzy4447 I did it because it was funny. Not because someone would get offended. People aren’t actually as soft as some would think.

[@r34ztune11]

"Ex-Romanian footballer"... Pretty sure he quit football and not his nationality, lol.

[@IanRB26]

Malaysian here, not to be pedantic but it's actually pronounced Wee-ra, not Why-ra.

[@DonAlcopop]

I’m sure I speak for everyone when I ask, when’s the Mexico City review ready? Oooh. There’s a pinned comment. Never mind!

[@markalbert9011]

The blurred nose cone at 12:20 is hilarious. Really? Censor a photo of a racecar that has a bit that vaguely resembles a part of the human anatomy? Really? Someone's got some very serious hang ups.

[@AidanMillward]

I did that. As a joke.

[@markalbert9011]

@@AidanMillward Nicely done . It got a LOL, then a WTF? I was thinking a religious zealot got hold of the photo and it was free so...yeah, the price was right.

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

Norwich = Norfolking Good

[@Thebibs]

LOL at the pixelated dong

[@Rom3_29]

Confusing? Isn’t that British way conducting business and running a country? Or is it more like Russian way conducting business in The UK? Lotus might be one of the rare lone British car brands that was a partner or owned and sold by almost every vehicle manufacture on earth.

[@shawnmungur4875]

Millionaire in BC? In 10-15 years? Haha, you're going to need more money than that! 😂

[@AidanMillward]

@@shawnmungur4875 Euro millions is about 70 million quid. Should be enough.

[@shawnmungur4875]

@@AidanMillward I lived in Vancouver, and the cost of living eventually caused me to move. Love the content!

[@AidanMillward]

@ was there five years ago. Went up through Squamish up to Whistler and loved it.