Let's Crack Zodiac - Episode 10 - Can anagrams unlock Zodiac's secrets?

[@bmenrigh]

I'm amazed at your patience in constantly refuting obviously stupid anagram-based "decryption" methods where the "key size" (permutation) that the person puts into the message is as big (in terms of information theory) as the message they are getting out. In other words, they themselves have supplied essentially all the information they are claiming to get out.

[@marienbad2]

"You take all the paint out and now can paint your own painting." The choice of picture for the new painting was perfect, so funny yet so accurate.

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

I was dying with that Lona Misa he drew 😂

[@ludiprice]

This Zodiac 'my suspect is in the ciphers' nonsense drives me nuts.

[@acefox1]

The most striking thing for me that verifies the successful 408 and 340 decryptions are correct is that the style, tone and voice is the same in both messages. All of these anagram solutions just sound like a disconnected jumble of words because that’s all they are.

[@zachgraber2496]

I totally agree with that.

[@zachgraber2496]

They are decisive this is confusing, the writer of the ciphers does not want to confuse himself.

[@timetraveller6643]

"Kandahar Covid" Is an anagram for David Oranchak.

[@doranchak]

Nice finding! :) "Aha! Drank Covid!" also works. And "Covid had a rank".

[@TheRomroe]

David, I need you to know that all of the work you've done to educate your audience about cyphers and how they are solved is paying off. I excitedly looked up the new information uncovered, and something deep in my subconscious noticed something 'off' about how they interacted with the cyphers. The more I read, the more I remembered about your videos and why anagrams didn't really prove anything. At that time, I pulled up your twitter to see if you had weighed in on the subject, and read your contribution to the San Francisco Chronicle. This video confirms it for me; you've helped so many people not get caught up in this very misleading investigation. You've taken a complex knowledge from your profession, and made it accessible and understandable to so many people who would otherwise have no idea. You should be very proud of what you have accomplished. You took some demented, self-serving puzzles from a psychopath, and used it to teach us about cryptography. And you did it well.

[@doranchak]

What a nice comment! You made my day. Thanks so much for watching!

[@mydogs5040]

God help us if that happens. He cant even tell when he sees a cipher versus a translation.

[@jaygatsby3039]

If you take all the letters in the cipher and retain only the letters DAVIDORNCHK and then rearrange them, then it spells out DAVID ORANCHAK and a bunch of other letters. Coincidence? I think so.

[@guitarslim56]

That means. . . David Oranchak is Ted Cruz!!!

[@coffin7904]

lolling at coincidence? I think so.

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

Contact the @Fbi immediately

[@orkavorn]

09:43 - The message doesn’t ‘sound’ like Zodiac. Instead, it sounds like what someone who thinks they’ve solved it wants it to say. Beside, Zodiac didn’t provide his name in any of the solved ciphers, so why should it be in that one?

[@zachgraber2496]

He didn't, are you sure?

[@file4318]

It's so painful seeing people thinking it's solved. I guess they got what they wanted with attention or more sales on their next book. Awesome video as always

[@swankybutters8371]

Yeah, Gary Francis Poste... like so many other suspects... seem to fall flat... I'm still very much in the ALA camp...

[@jayakrishnan26]

Gary poste is zodiac..no doubt

[@richardsimons6978]

@@jayakrishnan26 No doubt you looked no further than Poo Tube videos to make up your mind for you!

[@jayakrishnan26]

@@richardsimons6978 the evidence against poste is overwhelming

[@richardsimons6978]

@@jayakrishnan26 How can it be? Your prophets haven't even divulged their so-called 'evidence' They're waiting for a book and TV deal. What a bunch of scammers!

[@Riokaii]

media was unethical to publicly run with this story the way they did. They have had literal decades of practice on this case and the claims people have made, and they still fall for the same outlandish unscientific claims.

[@zombiefireman]

It was Fox News, what else do they publish that isn't unethical, unscientific or outlandish? This is all hype for the book and TV show they've got lined up.

[@maulcs]

Absolutely. The fact that this received airtime at all, and that people blindly believed it, is disturbing.

[@Pauly421]

"media was unethical" have you followed media atall since it was invented? xD

[@zentumaisle5925]

@@zombiefireman And there were CNN and new york post too

[@mtronaut1694]

Next series please: Let's Crack the Voynich Manuscript! I'd love to know...

[@dayvancowboi9135]

can you imagine?

[@pianothrone7965]

I think the voynich manuscript is already cracked. It’s about alchemy and herbology

[@gordn_ramsi]

@@pianothrone7965 Just like the Zodiac ciphers, many people have come up with solutions to the manuscript, yet none are confirmed or in any way definitive.

[@maulcs]

Would love David to look into that, although it's probably just nonsense.

[@benloud8740]

The painting visual gag was hilarious

[@darrell20741]

The killer is not Anna Gram is it?

[@michaelsudduth8916]

Thanks for posting this, David. I was hoping you would comment on the Case Breakers's claims. Their claims are extraordinary, but unfortunately their evidence isn't. The evidence they've presented so far isn't even decent as circumstantial evidence. They may claim they have better evidence to show the world, but thus far those claims sound like big promissory notes. I'm not anticipating a payout anytime soon, if ever.

[@AmishFan]

"I'm not anticipating a payout anytime soon, if ever." But they are. They've gotten a lucrative documentary deal. It also means they won't be telling us anything more till then, as us debunking it would mean a loss of the deal.

[@richardsimons6978]

@@AmishFan Absolutely! Their 'documentary' will be similar to the Hunting Hitler farce. It will create lots of true believers who'll look no further than the doc itself for confirmation of their new found beliefs.

[@jere.nurkka]

You can find anything from Zodiac ciphers including Finnish words "halpa=cheap, levy=disc, Hauta=grave, ei=No. I found those on 340.

[@Anteater23]

The way they conduct interviews just comes across like they’re doing it for the attention.

[@Hoopst1cks]

They come across like a Kevin Trudeau infomercial.

[@MattScheff]

yes! was hoping you'd upload.

[@JamieVegas]

How can the anagram solution include "Gary Francis Poste" if those are the letters we must remove from the source text?

[@vermillion16]

Exactly what I've been thinking. Makes ZERO sense.

[@craigd1275]

@ 6:59 They show a picture of D.B. Copper, the suspect in the first plane hijacking, as Zodiac. .

[@maulcs]

These people's claims are some of the worst I've ever seen. Absolutely insane that the media latched onto this.

[@Norweeg]

11:44 I was not expecting that picture. 🤣 I like your humor.

[@HelloDomio]

Great video, really informative. What refuted this suspect for me was the Paul Stine composite sketch. I'm almost certain that prior to this groups claim, the marks on the forehead were never referred to as scars. They were just added in for detail, to indicate the Zodiacs age, later altered into the amended sketch after he was believed to be closer to 40. The amended sketch doesn't have the same lines on the forehead at all. If the witnesses saw forehead scars it would be a key detail yet only this group mentions it as such. They find out about Poste and have to make assumptions, because it fits their suspect. Big red flag to me.

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

David is sooo smart and soooo handsome!

[@TheAnonymous-d4l]

yeaah all the women will want to date him : D

[@c-r3187]

I like how he completely dismantles the case breakers reading tea leaves

[@CurtRowlett]

In my opinion, it is always rather obvious when a solution appears to be forced. A perfect example of that can be found in Graysmith's supposed solution to the 340 in his second Zodiac book. Again in my opinion, the only valid solutions are those that fit the cipher seamlessly and in the most logical way, without any fanciful reading of tea leaves.

[@mrmojorisen1973]

As always , well presented and explained!!! Anagrams are fun , but , never , barring some expefic and explicit "key" or guidance , can we generate whatever we want with words. Thanks David!!!

[@mydogs5040]

They are not anagrams !! Not a single one.

[@UtsniatheMightyOne]

I thought about your work when I heard this news. Something’s fishy about all this, from their lack of transparency, their use of anagrams, to even the formatting in their public release statement. It’s been almost a year since you and your associates solved the 340 cipher, so I’m led to assume this was done to capitalize on that in some way. I guess things haven’t changed much in the past 50 years or so.

[@carljohnson8454]

Gary Francis... Stamp... Post! Comedy gold. Cargo Cult at its best.

[@TehRebolt]

I like how she said it was “correct in her opinion” like her opinion means diddly squat 😂😂

[@acefox1]

Great video David! It must drive you guys crazy to see people apply non-rigorous methods and then issuing press releases and doing news interviews.

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

I love your 11:46 Lona Misa painting

[@doranchak]

😄 A.K.A., the "Monkey Christ": www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/28/how-monkey-christ-brought-new-life-to-a-quiet-spanish-town

[@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149]

@@doranchak amazing 😂 we’ll thanks Cecilia Giménez! Her painting is bringing joy to us all. Lol. Now if she could just crack the “my name is” cypher for me🤔

[@doranchak]

@@phillythrowbackrapchannel1149 lol - maybe if she "restores" the cipher, it'll be easier to solve! :)

[@Gemblackcat]

Eh.. I'm unsure about the Poste connection. But the Zodiac to the Riverside murder is interesting. Someone sent in a letter to the police claiming to have killed Cheri and while the language isn't the same exactly.. no mentions of paradise, twitch is misspelled as 'twich' in both and both use "I shall" instead of "I will".. just interesting and I'd love to know why the police are SO adamant that Zodiac wasn't also the Riverside killer. I mean, The Golden State Killer really got around. I would love to see what DNA there is sequenced and see if DNA detectives could track down Zodiac or Riverside that way. Would be quite exciting.

[@maulcs]

The Zodiac/Riverside thing is nothing new - the connections they presented have been known for literally decades, and have nothing to do with this particular subject.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

While I don't think Zodiac did that particular murder, I think a young, furtive Zodiac DID want to take advantage of the murder and sent the correspondence both to the police, and the victim's father, and carved that poem in the desk. I'm actually annoyed at Riverside PD's dogmatic conclusion that there's no connection whatsoever - their reasoning has never made a ton of sense to me. "It can't be the Zodiac because we have concluded that the killer was native to Riverside."

[@CryptographyForEverybody]

Thanks David for summarizing the new story so well and showing that it’s just another suspect with no strong evidence as the many others before. Funny coincidence I just started to work on an anagram component for CrypTool 2 that allows the creation of such „nice“ anagrams like the ones you show in the video 😂. Which tool did you use or did you create these anagrams by hand? Greetings, Nils

[@doranchak]

Thanks Nils! The small anagrams just came from a Google search. To make the big anagram, I took the Unabomber manifesto corpus and just tried to find the best fitting substring that uses the most letters from the available pool of letters (extracted from the Zodiac correspondence). With the leftover letters, I ran the algorithm again to find another chunk of text that would fit. I still had some leftover letters but I think there was enough there to make the point. I hope to play around with an anagram feature of CrypTool 2 some day!

[@samjam2376]

As soon as someone says that they found the zodiac's name in one of the letters, I immediately doubt what they're saying. Maybe I'm wrong, (hey, I've been wrong before), but I believe there's no way the zodiac would have put his name in any of the letters.

[@zachgraber2496]

I bet he did.

[@zachgraber2496]

@Keith Berjeron I disagree.

[@zachgraber2496]

@Keith Berjeron Wouldn't he just not send anything if he did not want to give his name or any information that could be of any use?

[@zachgraber2496]

@Keith Berjeron Good points. I know for a fact their name is in the Z408 though.

[@zachgraber2496]

@Keith Berjeron I disagree, it makes no sense for him to make a faulty cipher. It would be wasting his own time.

[@sandybetts1297]

David, I admire all of the work you have done over many years! You have a better-than-average logical brain and a great way of explaining the how and whys. This lasted suspect is laughable, sadly these so-called investigators have no idea how fake news about their suspect affects the victim's families! I am disappointed that a FBI agent would make a comment about the lines on a "composite drawing" compares to the lines on Poste's forehead, saying it matched the "drawing" as if it is as good as a photo?

[@sejoki1]

Couldn't this be easily checked against the "my name is" cypher? (16:09) "Gary F. Poste" consists of 10 unique characters (3 short - Gary Francis Poste would be too long), but the cypher has the A twice, M twice, N twice and the circle three times. So no matter how you arrange them, even if you count spaces and the period as a character, which would bring the count up to 13, there's no possible way it could match. Or am I missing something?

[@justinsanity501]

We dont know, and may never know, whether zodiac actually put his name in that cipher. So you can’t use it to definitively prove wrong names.

[@AmishFan]

Not to mention you need to take out the letters/characters of his full name first.

[@Kevoshea]

Alfred E. Neuman

[@guitarslim56]

Alfred E. Neuman.

[@JasonWorkman]

The key to a cypher can be longer than the encoded message. The my name is cypher is likely not a reveal, but rather another puzzle. I think it was created in response to critics at the time claiming he was an amateur that didn't really understand cyphers. If there is any take away from the post card, it's that you don't have to break a cypher if you are the intended recipient. You would just use the key. I believe the keys for solving all the puzzles are hidden in the letters and cryptograms he sent out. If he ever really included his name it's probably in one of the keys.

[@sinus2220]

Anyone noticed that the misspelled letters in the plaintext @ 14:11 mark (a, o, a, l, h, e, v, v) when corrected form: u, s, u, i, n, i, k, k. Which anagrams to Inuksuk, an Innuit word for a manmade stone landmark or cairn. The inuksuk may historically have been used for navigation, as a point of reference, a marker for travel routes, fishing places, camps, hunting grounds, places of veneration, drift fences used in hunting, or to mark a food cache. The Iñupiat in northern Alaska used inuksuit to assist in the herding of caribou into contained areas for slaughter.

[@ryiin]

I'm guessing that they have a book coming out.

[@benloud8740]

Your videos are top notch.

[@Chickenpatty878]

Fantastic video, terrible evidence. Thank you for your work

[@pianothrone7965]

The zodiac was never even mentioned as having scars, so no, they’re full of bs

[@yooahssi]

Finally!! I'm so glad to see another one of your videos again!! Thanks for all the hard work!! 💕

[@Mysticfob]

Thank you! This was so useful. I was so skeptical about this new info

[@colonelreb1014]

Great video. I was wondering why it got so much media coverage. Now I know that Julin is one of their own with links to MSM Nationwide. If one of their own solves the zodiac it makes them all look intelligent.

[@TexansForChrist]

The casebreakers have extracted audio from the wood selfie that includes the killer identifying himself. It's just 3 words that repeat: "I am Groot". Case solved

[@seanboyy]

Thanks David! Always great to have your thoughtful insights into aspects of this case. Looking forward to hearing more about the French guy's story you mentioned as well. Any progress in breaking those other two nasties yet ;)

[@timgosselin6984]

So looking forward to your take on this, very much appreciate your diligent perspective. Although the more I look at the Poste photos, the more believable the possibility feels. I hope more evidence shows up.

[@TGBurgerGaming]

I had thought the scars was only thing they had and that it was certainly a start. Thanks for putting this all in perspective. It's odd though that it does line it up with the C in paradice. But we have a good reason for why things were misspelt.

[@amped333]

This is extremely frustrating. It's so blatantly bad faith thai it's actually astonishing to see people simply swallow it all without questionin.

[@john_hawley]

Thank you for putting this together! I saw all these reports and didn't have the time to go through it all, this was perfect I will be sharing this around.

[@fSateQ]

There are some DB. Cooper's photos :D

[@axelbaker8737]

Also want to ask a question if you get the chance. Do you think it’s even possible to solve this case? I mean do you think there is enough dna and or evidence in general to EVENTUALLY close it at some point in the future?

[@doranchak]

Yes, I think it's possible. I'm optimistic that they have enough DNA evidence to eventually solve the case.

[@robertjones9598]

Why won't they just do the DNA test to conclusively get an answer? Lol at the 'anagram' solving method, total facepalm. I thought these people were former professionals?

[@karlbukow8010]

thx dude, realy appriciate ur doin.... sumtimes its need someone to hold everyones hohrses(?) dunnno, not a native toungue.... but luv ya

[@Jigsaw_Phantom]

I think the Code Breakers came closer to solving this case than the Case Breakers because I know from the Halloween card and the Z13 cipher that it was Xenophon and there isn't an anagram that tells me differently?

[@re_volttt]

How about No Anagramming Z13 by me? AENZ8K8M8TNAM IMTTEREWELLIW Fix "IM" in place and read message backwards: IMWILLEWERETT IM WILL EWERETT Misspelled one W with V intentionally. The full message reads: IM WILL EVERETT

[@bulletproof5341]

That actually made sense, as both N's are placed to non Alphabetic characters forming double letters. All other letters equal one character to another character, but must be the same character as you did it. And spelling, It's the same as Z340, word "Will" written normally, then "ECIDARAP" written reversed. You are onto something.

[@timayres2405]

Always brilliant videos, David. Thanks so much.

[@doranchak]

Thanks for watching!

[@axelbaker8737]

Welcome back legend! Glad to hear your take on this.

[@ryiin]

Why do they have pictures of D B Cooper?

[@konukuauleki]

great series!!! the second video of this series is no longer available, can you re-upload it?

[@eraserfred406]

These are the same people that came up with the moronic db cooper code. Lost all credibility with me after that

[@JasonWorkman]

I do believe the riverside murder is part of zodiac, but for different reasons than this team does. I should make a video with my reasoning as it would be less tedious than trying to type it all out in a comment section.

[@HumaneNewt]

Go for it

[@zachgraber2496]

I think it being on Halloween matches but other than that I do not think it was related even though certain aspects were similar. I think that the letter from the Cheri Jo Bates does not match Zodiac's style at all and is not convincing but other aspects could be confused for Zodiac reasonably.

[@TheDukeMitchell]

Thanks so much for this, I was really hoping you'd cover the story, fascinating watch as always!

[@timetraveller6643]

After completing my own exhaustive analysis of the texts, I can conclusively state that the zodiac killer is in fact Sir Francis Bacon. QED You're welcome.

[@antoniodiavolo]

Weird I got Kevin Bacon. Can we exchange notes?

[@timetraveller6643]

You have everything needed o come to the same conclusion I did, so I don't have to show my work. ;-)

[@tapir2k3]

Great analysis of what's available so to speak 🙊

[@jamesphillips7885]

the one that stood out for me is that posht is in one of the cyphers. the other is the phrase ebeo riet emeth hpiti from the 1st cypher. handwriting and dna are keys. other questions to ask was paul stine killed by the zodiac or someone else?

[@pianothrone7965]

Zodiac literally sent pieces of Paul Stine’s shirt, I think it’s him

[@TheMapman01]

"We are unable to speak to potential suspects because this is an ongoing investigation". Oh man... what kind of sense does that make??

[@jacksonallan954]

The phrasing is poor because it's ambiguous, but they mean "speak to" in the sense of "speak about" or "comment on", not "speak with".

[@groglas]

@@jacksonallan954 and all the suspects are dead, perhaps a humorous double entendre

[@thecat8905]

Leave that poor family alone!!

[@bens.664]

The evidence is circumstantial (which isn't necessarily a deal breaker). But the nonsense about anagrams cannot be counted as evidence. However, I do wonder why the police would be relunctant to test his DNA. They can use PCR for DNA testing if they are worried about destroying the source. The coordinates to her body are somewhat intriguing - but we have learned through all of the decrypted messages so far that Zodiac did not talk in broken English. His writing was very straightforward and grammatical despite the (likely intentional) misspellings. So "Collect telephone trunk call, who? Gary Francis Poste." does not seem like something the Zodiac would write. But "let it snow, let it snow, let it snow" does...so it's inconclusive at best.

[@BoRIS_the_WiZARD]

This makes more sense now. Day 1 I couldn't find much on their claims other than the fox news report.

[@aznstylez]

finally a new episode! love this series

[@JacobC479]

The Vallejo PD was about to arrest Arthur Leigh Allen for the blue rocks springs murders but he died. Everybody has been 100% certain on multiple people, I’m afraid we’ll never know for sure. I definitely don’t think it’s Poste.

[@MsVanorak]

can you show us how the mt diablo (spanish for devil - clue?) map code works please? i'm in the uk so of course can't get age correct maps of the area.

[@pa3041]

Always a good day when you post. Thanks!

[@catfishandbass8680]

Ah, yes. Anagrams. That is definitely how the Zodiac Killer hid his messages and his name!

[@vasiliantonov7484]

Gary poste is definitely an interesting character that belongs at the discussion. But at the end of the day he’s nothing more than a suspect in a long list of suspects. All of the evidence linking him to the zodiac is circumstantial.

[@maulcs]

What is actually circumstantial is barely even circumstantial (he was in the military and had the same size shoe? WHOA), and everything else is illogical nonsense (the wet piece of wood, the forehead wrinkles, the anagrams).

[@n0mad385]

Welcome back :)

[@vytah]

15:03 We know Zodiac's gender because he sent his messages via mail, not femail.

[@epiccamguyproductions4930]

Z13... 13 characters... ROSS M SULLIVAN... Is there any way of finding out any pattern to get this result?

[@jere.nurkka]

I'm sure you can figure out a way to do that.

[@bigadkins1969]

I’ve been down the zodiac rabbit hole n I think it’s him. I could be wrong but I don’t think so. I really want to see the documentary

[@karakenio]

Ecce Ommo! HAHAHA, nice one. That sums up all. Thanks

[@bens.664]

gonna watch this about 100 times

[@vee__7]

Thanks for the sober analysis

[@cybiinnie]

Brilliant video. Thank you!

[@cybiinnie]

The link I added is also more info on the team leading this and why they aren’t reliable

[@AlecArmbruster]

Wish I could like this video multiple times.

[@WACKfan]

Random question, Was any of the Zodiac's DNA ever recovered from any of his letters or the crime scenes? and if so has any law enforcment agency compared to the suspects like Arthur Leigh Allen and the others?

[@jaygatsby3039]

I think bizarrely they did and it didn’t match him.

[@eriknelson2559]

October 1969 shooting of taxi driver at "Washington & Cherry" alludes to anecdote of "Washington & Cherry tree" --> "I cannot tell a lie, I did it" also possibly alludes to Cheri Josephine Bates "Trees" (in Lake Tahoe references) possibly allude back to "Cherry Tree"... 1) "The Cherry Leaf Lodge & Retreat on Fallen Leaf Lake - South Lake Tahoe, CA" (???) 2) "western chokecherry (P. virginiana var. demissa) occurs in the Tahoe Basin on the slopes above Emerald Bay at Emerald Bay State Park." * "Western chokecherry" references "west", a Zodiacal and Mt. Diablo map reference. Emerald Bay State Park references parks (where many attacks occurred) and also "emerald" = Astrological birth stone (May). * Perhaps possible local hunters know of some conspicuous "stand of Cherry trees near Cherry Leaf Lodge near Emerald Bay" (???)

[@MaximumADHD]

I could tell the story was nonsense given the lack of substantive evidence to back their claims. It’d be one thing if they could provide the cipher solutions they claimed to have, but it’s all loose circumstantial hearsay at best.

[@Poochpatrol]

Does anyone have Poste’s hand writing ???

[@meaningless4845]

Love your videos

[@SatanSplainer]

New episode! Yaaaaaay

[@thecat8905]

Poste IS NOT the Zodiac..!

[@kenanacampora]

Zodiac - Caidoz. I wonder if there is a Mr. Caidoz.

[@dougscullery8827]

David, please forgive my slightly off topic comment - to go back to your marvelous solution of the cipher. Two thoughts ...1. Why wasn't it solved earlier? As complex as it was, is it not true to say it was ultimately a brute-force solving of a relatively straightforward cipher method? With enough computing power at the authorities' disposal, why did it take you guys on your laptop computers to crack it? ....2. Is it possible that this was indeed solved years ago, but since it didn't reveal any particularly important information they (FBI? NSA? etc) decided it might be better to sit on it, hoping the original Zodiac might be tempted to get back in touch to taunt them about his genius, unsolvable cipher and unwittingly provide possible new clues to his identity? Just a thought.

[@doranchak]

It took so long to solve because of how unusual it ended up being. If it was a "normal" transposition cipher, it would have probably been solved long ago. But it had 3 sections, a shifted line, and 6 characters that interrupted the transposition in the 2nd section. Those factors made it practically impossible to solve without branching out from the usual kinds of cryptanalysis. For those same reasons, I think the answer to your 2nd question is probably that nobody was sitting on a solve all this time.

[@sashsash2400]

@@doranchak @David Oranchak this! Sure, many people/fbi etc. Tried to solve it, but there is a point you begin questioning yourself, if you rather spend your time on a maybe unsolveable riddle and "mythos" of a killer or try to solve 100 recent crimes or problems.. Ngl I am fascinated by the ciphers and the history of it, but in the end i am even more fascinated by the work and methods of the solving process of the people which get believable results with the case and ciphers. Personally, I always thought the zodiac symbol and its geometry may give clues or messages in the ciphers, but gave up after some attempts..

[@Legionmint7091]

Yes! I was waiting for your comment. ❤️ Edit: So far this “big reveal” looks more like a viral fundraising campaign based on very flimsy assertions that simply doesn’t hold water. But I will give them the benefit of the doubt and await more solid information, if they have any that is.

[@FirstLast-numba1]

Ever since the seawater tapes/interviews I'm sure ALA was the zodiac.

[@maulcs]

Allen was a creep but the physical evidence just doesn't match him for Z.

[@franztrischberger8023]

Only 1 misspelling - "icee" instead of "icy" - is far too few for a Zodiac letter of that length...

[@MsVanorak]

r.h. on the desk. robert hansen. "birds fly south" he had his own plane and was caught when one of the women he abducted escaped as he was bundling her into it. he liked to hunt his victims. paradise area of LA right next to the airport. donna lass and jeanette kamehele missing from zodiac territory and two unidentified bodies found in alaska. jewellery in alaska looks dated. being a hunter he surely had a big freezer so dates of events could be skewed by years. i think it was organised crime as there is camp richardson at lake tahoe and also richardson bay in alaska. uk map bench marks symbol used in zodiac cipher.

[@MsVanorak]

what connects the two locations? an earthquake in 1906 high fatalities at both places.

[@faisalgreatest]

I love ur vids

[@gilleschizat2414]

Z32 = SEAT .2791 YO 92011 EWSI The ciphering is very easy ! But deciphering is hard because of multiple possibilities. Need your computers for investigate possibilities I've missed doing the job only with pen and paper.

[@zachgraber2496]

What would that be meaning?