Dorchester: Canada's First

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Anthony Dawson

Anthony Dawson

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@foowashere
@foowashere 2 жыл бұрын
A delightfully modest and sparse order specification. The letter is a more pleasing survivor than the nameplate, I think. I guess the corresponding situation today would be some less computer savvy person ordering a laptop. “A laptop please, not too heavy-I travel a lot-and capable of running Photoshop.” Thanks for making and sharing!
@steinskotmyr2194
@steinskotmyr2194 2 жыл бұрын
Just how i like the “first” stories. It’s a pity they’re ending too soon. Really love your work.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Many of these pioneering locomotives were obsolete within only a few years (just think about how PCs and phones are obsolete within a year) and as a result seldom survived.
@richardswiderski4985
@richardswiderski4985 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Antony realy like 'Rail Story' realy interesting to hear a about these early locos etc.
@Zeppflyer
@Zeppflyer 2 жыл бұрын
A very interesting history! One comment on the sound effect: They overpowered the narration at some points, at least on my laptop speakers.
@unanimousowlcouncil7377
@unanimousowlcouncil7377 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating it should have lasted as late as 1890
@ArthurAndNormandyFan1
@ArthurAndNormandyFan1 2 жыл бұрын
Another locomotive I hadn't heard of before! Amazing video and great story.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thankyou
@Doogle136
@Doogle136 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the Canadian content. It was my first acquaintance with your channel. Great material, i will return. Cheers!
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome aboard!
@sebastianthomsen2225
@sebastianthomsen2225 2 жыл бұрын
another well made video ! 😉👍
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@sebastianthomsen2225
@sebastianthomsen2225 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory you are wellcome!
@Samstrainsofficially
@Samstrainsofficially 2 жыл бұрын
There's no Canada like French Canada Also never ceases to amaze me the levels of fancy hand writing you find going back... but then it would be literally beaten into them at school to get it PERFECT so is it any great suprise
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Back in the 1830s the vast majority of people didn't go to school, and couldn't read or write. A basic education was provided by Parish Schools, and also by Sunday Schools but in Britain there was no universal basic education until after 1870. Also worth remembering that unless you were a member of the Church of England you weren't entitled to a Parish or a University Education which is why groups like the Quakers and the Untiarians started their own schools and the latter their own Universities without any religious test for admission. Robert Stephenson was educated at a private Unitarian School. The Unitarians and Quakers also taugt boys and girls at a time when the idea of girls being literate was anathema (they also argued for women to have the vote, too). Upper and middle class people were literate, working class people some may have been able to read but not write. Certainly in the newly developing cities literacy rates were quite poor. But we know some early railways preferred literate members of staff: the Liverpool & Manchester Railway expected its employees to be able to read its rules and regulations but also had a provision that those who could not would have them read to them. It also had a library and reading room. Railway workers then - and for the remainder of the century - were the elite of the working class. Tended to be the most literate and most organised when it came to Unions and so forth. The image of the strict "Victorian" school room, with segregated boys and girls, copying their letters in silence on slates is toward the end of the century.
@TRAIN110ValleyProductions
@TRAIN110ValleyProductions 2 жыл бұрын
I'm loving this
@va3ngc
@va3ngc 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. I didn't know about that one and I am a Canadian. Thanks for sharing.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Glad I've introduced you to her! Thanks for watching.
@joshuaW5621
@joshuaW5621 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised is isn’t preserved with it’s tender.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Me too to be honest.
@johnd8892
@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for more new to me information. The full size wooden replica at 4:04 and lack of coupling rods. My suspected likely explanation of the lack of outside coupling rods is the difficulties, precision and complications needed to have any wooden outside cranks precisely quartered enough for the replica to move reliably when transported by rail when being dragged or pushed along. Few, if any, in Canada would have much experience with outside cranks. The further you go back I have come across the attitude that near enough is good enough for historical reenactments. You also say the first modern railway in Canada. Were there any non-modern railways pre-dating this railway?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanation. My hunch is that Francis Wishaw in 1840 describes it as having one pair of carrying wheels and one pair of driving wheels. Which it technically does as only one pair is powered....but.....he describes Lion in similar terms. Very odd way of expressing it.
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 2 жыл бұрын
Wooden driving wheels .... That's what I thought you said Anthony. I had to play it through again to make sure. 02:40
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Wooden driving wheels were really common in the 1830s - both for lightness and because the technology to produce *reliable* iron wheels wasn't quite there yet.
@johnd8892
@johnd8892 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory yes wooden spokes some of the centres and rims, but even much earlier the tyres were always iron as far as I know. Wooden hybrid wheelsm
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnd8892 Oh yeah. Not really "hybrid" tho' as wooden wheels were always hooped with iron. Wooden railway wheels were hybrids having usually a cast iron hub/nave into which spokes slotted, and were hopped in iron and then a tyre with flange applied. Whether wooden wheels were coned, however, I'm not sure.
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Of course, I forgot, the Rocket had wooden wheels.... duh. (embarrassment) I just remember some very early locomotives, pre-dating Rocket, had iron wheels. Why wasn't steel used, since that has been produced since the 13th. C. BCE?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
@@channelsixtysix066 Early iron wheels were cast and were very fragile and prone to breakage due to the track system and the lack of springs on locomotives. Steel wasn't used because it was expensive, and couldn't be produced in large quantities until the Bessemer process came along in the mid-1850s. Even then wrought iron is preferable to steel for things like boilers and wheels as it's more elastic and thus more forgiving. A wrought iron boiler will last longer and take more punishment through bad management than a steel one will.
@thomasshaftoe461
@thomasshaftoe461 2 жыл бұрын
Do early locomotives from Australia, New Zealand and other Commonwealth counties please.
@jppicur
@jppicur 2 жыл бұрын
In 1832 it was St. John's, Quebec. It didn't become St. Jean-sur-Richelieu until after the Quebec nationalists took over. Interesting pronunciation of "Champlain" -- we in Canada pronounce it Sham-PLANE. The C&StL was no more than a portage railroad to avoid the long river journey and rapids between these two points via the St. Lawrence and Richelieu Rivers. At the time, this was the main route for commerce between Lower Canada and the United States. Due to the "Andrew Jackson" Depression starting in 1832, it took several years to raise the relatively small sum to build this wooden railway. Construction did not begin until 1835, as stated by Mr. Dawson.
@sailormatlac9114
@sailormatlac9114 Ай бұрын
His pronunciation is much closer to what it sounds in French, probably because, as shown in his other videos, he can speak a bit of the language. In that regard, his pronunciation in general was much better than anything I've heard from English Canadian. I just find it funny to see all that nitpicking from an Anglophone. BTW, St. John's was originally Fort St-Jean and most French Canadian of the time would have kept the name even if the official town name was St. John's in the paperwork at that time. British were constantly finding ways to change the original placenames in the province back then, just like the Japanese did it in colonial Korea back in the days. That said, it was better to use St-Jean than St. John's because of the confusion with the other much better known cities sharing the same name (N.B. and NFL).
@johnjephcote7636
@johnjephcote7636 2 жыл бұрын
i wonder how long those 'laid plates' lasted upon the pitch pine rails.
@sirrliv
@sirrliv 2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking forward to this episode. I'm surprised by how small she was; was she not even smaller than the Liverpool & Manchester's "Planet" upon which she was based? Also, why were her flue tubes made from brass rather than copper or iron? Finally, is there any surviving information beyond the paintings shown about her original coaches? I've always found it rather charming, if quite unusual for American rail practice, that she pulled compartment carriages, rather resembling in appearance those that would be used decades later on the Talyllyn Railway. It also seems that artists can't agree on whether or not these carriages had 2 or 3 compartments.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
It's lighter than Planet which weighed about 9 tons. Brass tubes were absolutely standard from 1833 until the end of steam. As I demonstrate in my book, copper tubes were rapidly abraded by the scouring action of coke particles; iron tubes were too heavy and poor conductors; brass was ideal. Excellent conductor and hard wearing. I have not found any information about the carriages other than where they came from. www.amazon.co.uk/Locomotives-Liverpool-Manchester-Railway-Anthony/dp/1526763982
@eliotreader8220
@eliotreader8220 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory so in steam locomotive terms she was a cousin of Planet then does the original name plate give some idea of how badly she was smashed up. it must have been pretty bad if one of the name plates had broken off
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
@@eliotreader8220 Cousin of Planet yes. The nameplate survives intact in really great condition. It was probably taken off , and I'm not sure how true the story of it being found in the woods is. But at least it survives. For more on Planet and Samson classes:www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/Locomotives-of-the-Liverpool-and-Manchester-Railway-Hardback/p/18771
@eliotreader8220
@eliotreader8220 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Would she have been fired on fire wood in a similar way to like some steam locomotives in cow boy films. or coal perhaps?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
@@eliotreader8220 Built as a coke burner, but perhaps fired on wood in Canada which would have meant almost continuously stoking the fire as wood has a considerably lower calorific value than coke. The firebox wouldn't be big enough either.
@JohnDavies-cn3ro
@JohnDavies-cn3ro Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Anthony. This is another one |I'd not heard of. Unfortunately the subtitles didn't work on this film, but the pictures are fascinating. I can understand the 'first modern railway' to run in Canada, given that the Hackworth engine ran on a private colliery line, so how does Dorchester predate that one, which you said was the first engine imported into Canada? Did Dorchester arrive later, but ran sooner? Or am I getting confused?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory Жыл бұрын
Dorchester was delivered and began operation in 1836. It was a modern maniline locomotive with a multi-tubular boiler, water-jacketed firebox, horizontal cylinders, proper frames and one tender. Hackworth's Samson was built in 1838, delivered in 1839 and in no way shape or form was a modern locomotive. There's three years between Dorchester (1836) and Samson (1839).
@stefkiro
@stefkiro 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Can you tell me where to find the 2 documents that you show at 1:27 and 1:37 ? I would liove to have a copy of those. Thank you
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. They are pages in the Robert Stephenson & Co. Order Book. The Stephenson archive is at the National Railway Museum, York, in the UK. You would need to contact them for photographs of those relevant pages, and they would be for personal use only. For publication you would need to pay for licence fees etc. Hope that helps.
@stefkiro
@stefkiro 2 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Thank you, I have send an email to the National Railway Museum.
@stefkiro
@stefkiro 2 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Hi again. I send an email to The National Railway Museum, York, in the UK and they does not found anything of the engine 127 (Dorchester). Do you have a copy of those 2 pages? If yes can you send me a copy? Or do you have an email to a person in the National Railway Museum, York, in the UK that I can reach? Thank you for your help.
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 ай бұрын
@@stefkiro No they wouldn't: the pages are in the Robert Stephenson order books. There is a transcript of them in my book on the PLanet and Samson Class. I can't send you copies of my photographs sadly as they were taken for personal use only.
@stefkiro
@stefkiro 2 ай бұрын
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Ok I understand. Thank you.
@Poliss95
@Poliss95 2 жыл бұрын
This may be a silly question, but could it be possible to work out the number of tubes from the boiler diameter?
@AnthonyDawsonHistory
@AnthonyDawsonHistory 2 жыл бұрын
First off: there's no silly questions. Cliched but true. But in answer, no it's not.
@FreedomLovingLoyalist
@FreedomLovingLoyalist 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like the replicas Tender didn't last long.
@Arkay315
@Arkay315 2 жыл бұрын
"Little engines can do big things". Can you maybe do a video on michigan logging railways?
@ralphbalfoort2909
@ralphbalfoort2909 2 жыл бұрын
Champlain is a French word - shamp-PLAN, not CHAMP-lin. I live not far from Lake Champlain.
@mikego18753
@mikego18753 2 жыл бұрын
Thumb#200.lol.
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