When Norman talks to Otto and says that the Spider-men ruined his son the only thing I want to say is this. “You only have yourself to blame.”
@TheAntiDisneyGod9 ай бұрын
In short it’s all Norman’s fault
@eduardomagana38588 ай бұрын
He always shifts the blame and when he finally takes it, it’s too late.
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
i think he didnt know the Symbiote will become out of hand tbh. If he had known he would never allow harry to bond with it and he was desperate and didnt want Harry to die so cant really blame him. if any of us has the money and our child has an incurable sickness we would all do everything and anything to cure them@BladeGamer169
@treviswilliams60036 ай бұрын
Our heroes saved your son Norman you only have yourself to blame for this damn mess
@marshalbrummitt98554 ай бұрын
It wasn’t the Spider-Men’s fault. it was all Norman’s Fault.
@Hedspaces5 ай бұрын
For those asking why peter doesn’t just transfer the suit to harry and heal him, it’s because the anti-venom suit isn’t a TRUE symbiote, it’s not alive like Venom is, normally when a symbiote transfer happens, it’s the symbiotes decision to transfer, like when venom transferred to peter despite harry not wanting to. With no consciousness to decide that, peter can’t transfer the symbiote.
@DanielK-gl9kq4 ай бұрын
Finally someone understands why
@Pietrogaigher4 ай бұрын
anti-venom is a true symbiote kinda because we see it in that type of game where the classic spiderman talking to 2099 before he lost to anti-venom.
@OsmanYlmaz-nc8fu3 ай бұрын
@@Pietrogaigher no anti venom VENOM AND SPIDERMAN= ANTI VENOM 👇
@anonymaton948Ай бұрын
Yeah. It’s more like an extra organ
@Ahmed_TrollzАй бұрын
Yea but dr Connors would be able to remove it and give it to harry
@Roni-kg1sw4 ай бұрын
For those who don’t know, there is a very high chance that Cindy is Cindy Moon who becomes Silk
@Bobbytree-rt3nt2 ай бұрын
I hope it is in a solo game with like miles trying to talk with her but he is just like spiderman to her and she has to like run away from him. I'm kinda sick of the whole mentor/student relationship thing. It would be cool to see her from like origin to being silk because we didn't really get that with pete and miles
@dragonjames791111 ай бұрын
Peter & Miles did their best and the city & Harry!! ….then in comes Norman Osborn being petty & ungrateful again!!
@momokosakurada6056 ай бұрын
tbh Norman wasnt at his best the last time norman was at his best was when his wife is alive. After having his son comatose by spiderman even though he can understand its not spidermen fault he cannot help but blame them
@johnsantos50718 күн бұрын
@@momokosakurada605To be honest, it was Norman's fault.
@momokosakurada60515 күн бұрын
@@johnsantos507 it is in a way
@alexanderlycan427511 ай бұрын
I find it rather ironic that earlier in the game harry gave the venom suit to peter to save his life and now Peter has the destroy the venom suit to save harry
@momokosakurada6056 ай бұрын
it makes the third game even better since the game direction is making peter feel more and more guilty and will quit being spiderman by the end of it. he already blames himself for his failure of aunt may as we seen in the 2nd game and by the end of the 2nd game he feels even worse with harry being comatose. Norman Osborn is the last straw that holds him from breaking and continue being spiderman. The moment He learns norman is goblin we will see Peter blaming himself and feel guilty even if he wins against norman he would hate and quit being spiderman since it brought him nothing but pain to him since he lost aunt may, comatose his best friend/childhood friend/brother, betrayal of his mentor and friend, last thing u need is someone u look up as a father figure to betray u. In this world Peter is close to Norman very likely they have a uncle and nephew relationship since Harry and Peter are childhood friends and their relationship are like brothers
@peternova846211 ай бұрын
I like how the anti-venom suits tendrils look like toothpaste squeeze out of the tube 😂
@doreimOnde11 ай бұрын
😂
@chaukedavid61155 ай бұрын
😅😊😮😢🎉😂
@magneric4 ай бұрын
And miles suit looks like a toothpaste container lol
@ultimateblackcat101211 ай бұрын
Now that i've watched this scene a couple of times, I have to wonder: Why doesn't Peter try to use the anti-venom symbiote to act as a replacement for the regular symbiote in order to heal Harry? It was stated that the anti venom offers the same power, but without the corrupting influence of the regular symbiote. Surely it could help Harry, or at least buy some time to find a true cure?
@asdtgh889511 ай бұрын
GOOD QUESTION but that'll probably never be brought up at all until MSM3 or in a story DLC. This game has numerous flaws with the story
@cosmeticcelestial11 ай бұрын
Two reasons why. 1.) because of shitty writing. They didn’t that part through completely. 2.) it most likely is a set up for him to become the hobgoblin. Norman was always the Goblin and Harry was the Hobgoblin. So Harry having the anti venom would pretty much take away the chances of that happening for the next game
@asdtgh889511 ай бұрын
@@cosmeticcelestialWell for the latter, wasn't Ned Leeds the one who is the Hobgoblin while Harry took over the mantle of Green Goblin in the comics? And Harry in this game did become Agent Venom in a sense. So, knowing that they only name-dropped Flash Thompson, they could emphasize on making Harry Agent Anti-Venom instead. But yeah, feck the story. It is just ATSV all over again
@silversoul277011 ай бұрын
Harry is likely cured of the actual disease thanks to Venom. Peter can't give Harry the Anti-Venom suit, because it's permanently bonded to him. All of the stress, the forceful separation from Venom, and the sudden revival put Harry into the indefinite coma.
@TheGhostOfTK11 ай бұрын
Peter can't, the anti venom is bonded to him
@xerolykan Жыл бұрын
By far one of the best yet most hardest boss fights in terms of emotion .... insomniac are ABSOLUTELY GOREOUS for this masterpiece dude .... !!!!!
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
i realise the more the game pass on we see peter heart feeling more and more guilt.
@Aiden-r2i3 ай бұрын
Spider man spider man miles Morales VS venom
@cals2889Ай бұрын
The writing was horrible.
@clintdavis145225 күн бұрын
@@cals2889 It really wasn't
@matthewallen38478 ай бұрын
Wow, a Norman that actually loves his son
@HapychildАй бұрын
Just a little to much tho
@matthewjimenez556 ай бұрын
17:45 When otto octavius says the final chapter, it means that this version of spider man will be the finale with the return of doctor octopus and norman Osborn becoming the green goblin
@OMGCreeper020 күн бұрын
Is Peter gonna fight him? I mean he already fought him once. Hopefully Miles can join on 2v1 too lol
@KingS-S219 күн бұрын
@@OMGCreeper0I think miles he will fight Otto on his own because Peter leave his job to miles😉
@madduxnagel69352 ай бұрын
Harry basically giving in and telling Pete to kill him is pretty fckin dark
@M_H_K147 ай бұрын
Normon wears green clothes which foreshadows him turning into green goblin
@tek51211 ай бұрын
The only version of Peter Parker to get a happy ending. I'm sure it'll get ruined, though. Writers never can let him be happy.
@akshat22049 ай бұрын
Miles life is better than many of peter parkers
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
its already ruined. the 3rd game he may quit being spiderman altogether after he defeats osborn and live a life as peter parker with MJ. He may live a happy life but he will be full of guilt. and He quit spiderman to forget about the guilt. Losing aunt may is one of them. the betrayal and oak turning against him was also one. Harry comatose state is another. Norman now betraying and turning against him is another one. Him not preventing Oak and Norman from choosing to become villians will weigh on his mind Aunt May death has actually weighed a lot in his mind shown in the 2nd game. Harry comatose state is also weighing a lot in his mind. Eventually Norman fight against peter will make him quit as spiderman
@ecthox-1mork9095 ай бұрын
I'd call this ending bittersweet for Peter at most. He's lost Harry just as he lost Aunt May, even if Harry's body is still alive.
@MJanimations-55 ай бұрын
Fr like he got his girls droped
@robertkenny120111 ай бұрын
We'll I guess we we won't be getting a Venom solo game, because we quite clearly saw the symbiote get vaporized and I doubt there are any traces of it left in Harry's blood either.
@AlmightyFilms11 ай бұрын
Did you not play the Fire missions? Spoiler There's a 2nd symbiote. Carnage, Kletus Cassidy, gets it from the Oscorp train wreck. And Peter still has symbiotic abilities and can share lol
@robertkenny120111 ай бұрын
@AlmightyFilms Well I hope either Eddie Brock or Flash Thompson is his host this time, this Harry Osborn Venom thing kind of wore out its welcome.
@AlmightyFilms11 ай бұрын
@@robertkenny1201 Agreed
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
its likely hinted that venom will be returning for solo game. but this verison of brock eddie is peter friend so idk whats gonna happen. Unless its like the game making agent venom and not venom
@gustavomeireles97584 ай бұрын
@@robertkenny1201Been a while but, search for Red Goblin, ive been waiting a while for this if they make it, literally crazy shit.
@kuldeeptyagi72952 ай бұрын
Miles suffered the most in this game first he was worried about Martin li and his college essay and then also when he needed pete , pete always did not answer his call and a lot he had suffered SALUTE TO MILES😢😊
@SCUDGANG2 ай бұрын
Lol, at first I thought somewhere in that comment you were gonna say "then worse of all he was forced to wear that God awful suit, poor miles" glad I was wrong
@KingS-S219 күн бұрын
Actually all time miles call Peter harry ruined his call all time and Peter didn’t want call him and his mother because venom let that happen
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
Judging from the direction im thinking he will eventually quit being spiderman after the 3rd game. For now hes just taking a break. But for all u know after fighting with Norman and Harry still comatose, He thinks that after all the fighting the thing that spiderman brought to hims were trouble and deaths of people whom he treasured and betrayals. If we ever get the 4th game it will be some time pass and Spiderman is just peter and not spiderman. The main will be miles and Cindy. Peter and Mary Jane has a daughter with spider powers whom is to young to be the spidergirl yet. Miles and Cindy gets defeated by the main villian of the 4th game and MJ and their daughter convince peter to be spiderman for the last time and he accepts and no longer blames himself for things he cant avoid or didnt affect. He returns and they defeat the villian and peter chooses to stay retire but if they need to he will be there. I think spiderman 3 will end with peter quitting as spiderman. Hes already quite wrecked up. I think Spiderman guilt will eat him in the 3rd game. He already has guilt since the 1st game with being unable to save aunt may and the betrayal of Doc Oct and now the comatose of harry. Norman as goblin will likely make him even more guilty that he is unable to save his childhood friend and best friend and like a brother harry osborn. After he defeats Norman he will be guilty he didnt manage to save Harry and that would have stopped norman from being the goblin. I believe Peter will quit as spiderman he is feeling more and more guilty each game.
@FayzerYT6 ай бұрын
Damn this is actually a really good story line. I hope they go in this direction
@momokosakurada6056 ай бұрын
@@FayzerYT the way they are going i think this is the direction it is flowing into. in the 2nd game we already see the fact he blames himself for aunt may death and also for not seeing doc oct betrayal
@playboi43834 ай бұрын
Spider man 3 came out in 2007
@momokosakurada6054 ай бұрын
@@playboi4383 it hasnt even released we are talking about the sequel of this game
@kharmann436924 күн бұрын
@@momokosakurada605 Are you ed? Spiderman 3 is already out since 2007, based on the Tobey's trilogy.
@danialjanbakhsh90475 ай бұрын
Norman has no one to blame but himself.
@wilburnfriday740314 күн бұрын
Not to mention killing spiderman won't bring his son back.
@Masonanimationz2 ай бұрын
2:46 this man pulled on his tounge xd
@rajamohanareddygayam53093 ай бұрын
It’s crazy how Peter had to kill him 😭 He couldn’t save Aunt May, But he had to KILL Harry? 😭 Luckily Miles jumped in 👍
@dolar4ify7 күн бұрын
Harry's alive. He's in a coma
@Fanny-e4r5 ай бұрын
You can use the palm of your hand as an automated external defibrillator
@SujithTheHyperHogVA8 ай бұрын
Good thing Harry is still alive
@momokosakurada6057 ай бұрын
its not really good since harry is as good as dead. hes not in a position where u can say hes alive.
@JaxonPlays12346 ай бұрын
The reason why Peter cant give Anti-venom Reason : Peter can't be separate with anti venom but if Peter discover this ability than he can cure harry illness cuz anti venom has ability to heal other that aren't wearing
@LivhuwaniTshikovhi-lj2lu7 ай бұрын
The way MJ said okay
@FrostyTouchFootball10 ай бұрын
Why is venom just so evil in the games in the venom movies he is just so, badass
@meyearsago-lc8bq10 ай бұрын
The question is why Venom in his movie is posing as an antihero rather than his usual villain self. The whole idea of symbiot is that he wants to feed of people and repurpose to more of people.
@KingRobinson-kl1ed11 ай бұрын
I Love It When Miles Take Over The City And Peter Quits I Love Miles New Suit
@josephportos195911 ай бұрын
Me too
@AlmightyFilms11 ай бұрын
"I Love Miles New Suit" Said no one ever
@CraneOnaKrane11 ай бұрын
Wrong
@TheAntiDisneyGod9 ай бұрын
Well I’d say he’s more giving Peter a long break to get his life in order while he’s taking care of the city cause in my opinion the city will always need two Spidermen
@PhysiologyShark8 ай бұрын
I wouldn't say "quit", more like "taking a (long) break" after such event
@unidentified56289 ай бұрын
The G-Serum… Goblin Serum?
@rahmadafandi84576 ай бұрын
Yap
@Thorned_Rosey3 ай бұрын
that makes a lot more sense that what I thought it was lmao, I thought it was supposed to be that drug from Agents of Shield that Brought Coulson back to life
@let_me_die_in_peace9 күн бұрын
@@Thorned_Rosey or like super soldier serum
@Ghost-ri4xn11 ай бұрын
Miles gets too much credit. Mj never gets enough credit and Parker is the man!!
@TheGhostOfTK11 ай бұрын
Too much credit? Miles was the one who activated the machine to destroy the meteorite with his powers, and saved Harry's life, that couldn't have been done without him
@Ghost-ri4xn11 ай бұрын
@@TheGhostOfTK miles was on the ground about to get stoned to death without mj throwing him that thing lol. Mj solo parts in that game was highly important. As usual when all said and done Parker took care of buisness in the end
@TheGhostOfTK11 ай бұрын
@@Ghost-ri4xn miles was literally pushing back against the stone before MJ threw it, miles was holding his own as is, and was holding it with one hand while he put the bomb in venoms mouth, peter wouldn't have been able to beat venom AND save Harry's life without Miles and that's just a fact
@Ghost-ri4xn11 ай бұрын
@@TheGhostOfTK it was a collective effort I understand. But as my comment stated that you might’ve misconstrued. Miles gets TOO MUCH credit. Mj not enough. Never said miles didn’t play his part. Great game though. Game of the year in my opinion. Can’t wait for DLC’s.
@TheGhostOfTK11 ай бұрын
@@Ghost-ri4xn miles isn't getting too much credit, I agree mj doesn't get enough, but alot of it wouldn't have been done had miles not been there
@Dig-xj9xe15 күн бұрын
Symbiotecool That name was so cool
@victormena150110 ай бұрын
Hope everything gets better,maybe that in spider man 3
@vanquezgooch8796 ай бұрын
When Spider-Man 3 comes out
@playboi43834 ай бұрын
Spider man 3 came out in 2007
@playboi43834 ай бұрын
@@vanquezgooch879spider man 3 came out in 2007
@vanquezgooch8794 ай бұрын
@@playboi4383 the game
@Samdwich699Ай бұрын
Im so ready for spiderman 3
@TristanReyes-x4e4 ай бұрын
i feel like that Harry or Norman are going to be the Green Goblin in the next Spiderman Game 😎
@phantommarine29Ай бұрын
Definitely Norman. Been a key character in the first game as well - doesn’t make sense to give it ot harry
@hashimkhan7020Ай бұрын
Norman has to apologize Otto he has to they were friends from college he has to bring back his stuffs back and get Otto job back
@Preachers_daughter11 ай бұрын
thats fucking awesome if its in spiderman 3 its going to be perfect harry in symbiote of venom
@rachelpush28283 ай бұрын
Hopefully, Harry comes back in the third game.
@ZacharyJR1999Ай бұрын
It’s going to be crazy in the next spider man game
@Itz_Crawfish9 ай бұрын
Im guessing Norman is gonna break Otto out of jail and team up. Green Goblin, Carnage, Otto probably gonna be the bad guys in Spider-Man 3. Peter, Miles and Cindy better get ready lol
@Joeclone2001Ай бұрын
Can insomniac plz make a avengers game 😭😭 Avengers tower is literally in their Spiderman games
@KingS-S219 күн бұрын
But what about miles he save harry too with peter
@LeeFeather4 ай бұрын
What a waste of Venom's Potential growth in the series. instead of a sit down therapy session w Peter, Harry & Venom coming to terms, About how Venom didn't want Harry but they should all start the slate clean. They used the invasion Arc on Venom instead of w Carnage, Then having the Spider-Men team up w Venom.
@LivhuwaniTshikovhi-lj2lu7 ай бұрын
When Harry has the Venom suit on without the head it doesn't look good 😅😅😅
@CronsosАй бұрын
I’m pretty sure the next game will be carnage. Because in one scene it shows a tube with a red symbiote (prob carnage)
@ZAYMANGAMESTUDIO6 ай бұрын
I guess we all know who's gonna be the next villain. don't we? GG (Normy) XD
@MasonValley-n3s3 ай бұрын
I think in Spider-Man three Osborne’s gonna let Doc out and he’s gonna turn into the green goblin and they’re gonna try to kill Peter and Miles
@galberger393711 ай бұрын
Wow!!! If there will be marvel spider-man 3 with cindy having here powers it's going to be harsh for peter and mj. In the romance department.
@Smarty2able11 ай бұрын
Cindy can get it. I like Peter with Felicia and Cindy. It's more real lol. MJ is a naggy 😡 Peter womp womp womp
@Chinoo227Ай бұрын
Bro Norman said what have u done to him u did this to him mate u turned him into a ompa lompa symbiote 😂
@justcatnap26 күн бұрын
I’m still questioning if Harry is dead or is he in a coma?
@SpnneLuetta4 ай бұрын
Great video. I've been following it
@lydianorris81244 ай бұрын
8:06 CLEAR!
@ConnorAustin5 ай бұрын
Actual asl in a video game awesome
@nedsnow417910 күн бұрын
6:16 Harry:.... hah! Gay...
@G1Grimlock94Ай бұрын
Norman will become Green Goblin
@johnsantos50718 күн бұрын
For revenge.
@noctiisx6 күн бұрын
this is so stupid bruh just let harry die they literally made miles do anything insane buff and made peter look weak
@thedestroyingman8 күн бұрын
9:47 bro is caked up
@milezz65406 ай бұрын
Peter Removing venom from Harry
@Comixknowledge302 ай бұрын
I wonder if Harry is doomed to die in every universe
@TshepisoMillions7 күн бұрын
Harry will live again
@DalisayDeGuzman-e2k27 күн бұрын
Now that i think of it, when pete uses the anti-venom suit cant he use his regenaration ability on harry when he was saved
@GamingwithLilb2 ай бұрын
so um spiderman miles morales 2!!!
@ImDrippyGorillaАй бұрын
Did Harry live ta the end?
@Steel-101Ай бұрын
Yeah, but his life is hanging by a thread. Which brings in the Green Goblin super solider serum for SM3. Harry will most likely be the Hobgoblin(similar to the SM3 movie).
@kharmann436924 күн бұрын
@@Steel-101Nobody asked for your opinion
@Steel-10124 күн бұрын
@@kharmann4369 don’t care. I wanted to put that text just for fun. Deal with it
@79spidermanboy2415 күн бұрын
@@kharmann4369what ur problem man?
@shinjimiura_15 күн бұрын
@@kharmann4369why u triggered lmao
@justinward20354 ай бұрын
Harry and Peter got the venom suit off
@Amit_V116 ай бұрын
They took such a great game and turned it into a I&D HR project
@khalilnery Жыл бұрын
Khalil Saves Harry
@MarioIvoci10 күн бұрын
How is Norman Osborn is still walk free after devils breath crisis and now this with no jail time
@Fanny-e4r5 ай бұрын
Spider-Man 3 Doctor Octopus Returns
@ReadDeath22520 күн бұрын
This game's plot was actually kinda mid.
@RedzillaGOTM2 күн бұрын
Wow, that’s amazing, champ. Next time, keep it to yourself.
@Igameforfun22311 ай бұрын
People who love miles shoes
@Jacobbernardo516811 ай бұрын
I like the suit but I don’t like mask it’s too basic
@CraneOnaKrane11 ай бұрын
@@Jacobbernardo5168the suit is ugly man stop lying 😂
@maadior.7 ай бұрын
@@CraneOnaKranewell deal with it cause In Spider-Man 3 The Final Chapter your gonna have to wear it first suit of the game plus I like it it’s the new miles specia😊
@CraneOnaKrane7 ай бұрын
@@maadior. where did you get that?
@universalchennel43963 ай бұрын
@@Jacobbernardo5168zhjd
@aidengames921524 күн бұрын
how do you get anti venom?
@laroyshoy11 ай бұрын
Cindy spider man 3 ps5 coming soon 😮
@Tyronethestunner11 ай бұрын
spiderman 3 will be come on 2026
@TheAntiDisneyGod9 ай бұрын
@@Tyronethestunnermore likely 2027 since they have the Venom game to work on
@MrThirtyNine399 күн бұрын
If anti venom can heal every diseases, then why not giving anti venom to harry?
@Pietrogaigher4 ай бұрын
GUYS ACTUALLY WE FINNALY SAW DR OCTAVIUS!
@ramihaj350020 күн бұрын
10:41 YOUR A FRAUD SPIDERMAN!!!
@SyntwavePrimasGoober7 күн бұрын
Mj design is god awful
@Sarajevo-e6o2 ай бұрын
6:11 AYOOO Im just kidding pls dont attack me in the comments 😂
@AkuotDeng-ct5ln9 ай бұрын
Orrman becames Green Goblin
@shanebeard20447 күн бұрын
Ahola I’m Shanebearddj This Is Creepy Imagine
@noctiisx6 күн бұрын
the games plot is terrible i can’t believe how overhyped this game is
@DramonBusterАй бұрын
Cindy Moon?? NICE!!!!
@HimneeshAggarwal24 күн бұрын
Can we download on Android phone
@hedinsee68302 ай бұрын
Nah, this is definitely not Pettigrew saving Potter.
@Zillayoutube5 ай бұрын
The credits were very long
@HimneeshAggarwal24 күн бұрын
Is this new pc spider man 2 game?
@Đám.cưới.sơn.la.phố.núi15 күн бұрын
😮😮❤❤
@SaifSKH10 ай бұрын
Miles’ suit is so trash it almost ruined the entire ending 😹
@Thefornitegamer27 күн бұрын
There chances of dr osborn becoming the green goblin
@BluDemonOzzy10 ай бұрын
Universes collide. Man Bat vs Man Spider anyone?
@The1LastStraw8 ай бұрын
Tbh, that would be cool
@alimsoleh38112 ай бұрын
Anti-Venom vs Venom
@Chinoo227Ай бұрын
Idk what Norman means by why? He did this to him 😂
@BrianGuess-l8p2 ай бұрын
It makes you wonder why does Peter not teach the Train that is not running he had a lot of technology he made to fight his enemies and hides under the stuff under it like frozen webs electrical mask you can not take off even Andidota in his spider 🕷️ belt like the old Amazing spider man so bingo and it was Gwen who was in love with the other spider 🕷️ in the movie you are showing so when are you going to get Peter’s wife to have his first child in PS5 because I know I have over 12 friends asking if he has a daughter or Son?
@Gr33nreaper1014 ай бұрын
Harry is uh… very far from being saved unfortunately and will either die a slow tragic death or he’ll die in the next game near the beginning
@romulomilward69985 ай бұрын
Stop from recommended this video to me
@saionteller9427Ай бұрын
Whoa is cindy supposed to be silk 🤔🤔😲
@Nut_CODM4 ай бұрын
Where did the venom go 6:09
@rogue52427 ай бұрын
Venom with wings not a big fan TBH
@the_infinexos10 ай бұрын
Venom with wings was so fucking metal
@AKR_ice18 күн бұрын
FRRRR IT'S THE SHIIII
@stevenhedley728810 ай бұрын
Is harry dead or alive?
@doreimOnde10 ай бұрын
dying but he’ll survive
@TheAntiDisneyGod9 ай бұрын
@@doreimOndenot for long
@marshalbrummitt98554 ай бұрын
Harry is dead
@LJD130910 ай бұрын
Isn't Cindy a different iteration of Spiderwoman? And like how they have sexual problems with other spidermen near her?