[Puyo Puyo Tetris] Salty Cup S2 S-League: Doremy vs. Wumbo (2) (02-09-2019, PC)

decisive battle with my brand new slower playstyle against 4wide. winning means relaunching the salty cup, losing means completely giving up on first place.
for sure i wanted to remove my bad performance from the end of the previous match where i threw all the three last midgame rounds. and i did!
first time i ever defeat his 4wide, although he choked quite a lot like the first match.
whether there was lag or not, you have to adapt to it like i did, and not fight it head-on.
ever since i started to slow down and think about my placements, i became more confident about what i've done in these tournaments matches.
winning doesn't mean anything though! it's all about goal average, assuming no one loses. and it's definitely not going to be easy either.
thanks to mat1jaczyyy for recording vid!

[@Doremy]

as it was a decisive battle, i selected all the final-boss like arrangements by Demetori (including their brand new track released last month) twitch highlight right there -> www.twitch.tv/videos/477360144

[@NobuRiona]

I'm still surprised that you won.

[@rinyuzaki2480]

God your fast

[@Raja-ud7yi]

Now I want to see you play Tetris 99 Invictus... Nice play 👍

[@ame-chan579]

You just prove my theory about how to counter the 4w and I couldn't feel more satisfied so thank you

[@rorii-kon9338]

No one is mentioning about the demetori😢. I absolutely love the combination of course. As expected from doremy lol

[@YuNoGuy123]

Wumbo: *Meets good player* Also Wumbo: "So anyways, I started 4 widing"

[@honeypower]

LOL yes

[@lazaruslight]

Guess this one's not going on the KZbin's for Wumbo...

[@HanakkoLove]

Hilarious

[@shadownightlolz154]

true

[@lazaruslight]

I mean come on... it was obviously 2v1, there's no way Wumbo was winning that..

[@amanwithnoname4657]

@@lazaruslight *99 invictus wumbo looks at you ominously *

[@HanakkoLove]

@@lazaruslight They were completely in synch, too

[@Reitenshii]

Doremy learns from his friend Riviclia and gains the power to defeat Wumbo... This is as anime as you can get.

[@Glarpinator]

Doremy never learned from someone else he was only using 10% of his power

[@RandomL0s3r]

@@Glarpinator He thinks he learned it from someone but in reality he innately had it

[@HeisenbergBrB]

@Salt and Lemons Crazy Tetris and (former) osu! player (mouse-only btw)

[@BGDMusic]

@@HeisenbergBrB oh how the table turns, now he stopped playing tetris but still plays osu

[@Steiner505]

@@BGDMusic still plays tetris

[@endlessazure2142]

Doremy: Master? Riviclia: So you come for my advice. Doremy: I want to be more powerfull Riviclia: So be it.

[@Misty_FT]

WUMBO DELETED THE TWITCH VOD LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@skye6817]

LMFAOO

[@ireadysucks3026]

why’d ya spoil it

[@Misty_FT]

@@ireadysucks3026 why'd you look in the comments of a year-old video if you didn't wanna get spoiled

[@ireadysucks3026]

@@Misty_FT Dont know

[@ireadysucks3026]

@@Misty_FT and actually I don’t care that much lol

[@remixtheidiot5771]

The reason Wumbo lost was because he failed to adapt in the end. In a fight, both fighters must constantly adapt to their opponents counterplay, and it ends up being this constand back and forth. However, despite the fact that 4w just wasn't working anymore, he kept doing it. The right thing to do to intercept a 4w is with an all clear, which Doremy did. But to counter a perfect clear, you need to send a small burst of damage. But to counter a small burst of damage, a 4w can be adapted. But this didn't happen. So there ya go.

[@matthewbelt4833]

I still think doremy is better lol but still they r both better than me so I shouldn't judge

[@warren5037]

Never thought i'd see people talk about tetris as if it was a full fledged RPG

[@remixtheidiot5771]

@@warren5037 rpg? What? All i did was say Wumbo should've done his penta perfect clears that he usually does rather than 4w like a dum dum.

[@warren5037]

@@remixtheidiot5771 that's what i meant. Normally you'd associate tetris with only fallong blocks and trying to clear line, not like final fantasy or monster hunter where every monster and attacks depend on the situation

[@remixtheidiot5771]

@@warren5037 thats just what fighting games are. Adapting to the opponent, a constant back and forth. I play puyo and tetris competitively so i like to analyze pro matches like these. I was trying to use fighting game lingo, not rpg lingo but okay.

[@amanda-vk2pz]

Im actually so happy you survived those 4w and then went on to win the match

[@siphillis]

Watching Wumbo's gimmicky four-wide tactic get pummeled by strong fundamental play is such a treat to watch.

[@honeypower]

Agreed!

[@mobus1603]

All clears are the counter tactic that were specifically throwing off Wumbo's center 4-wides, not just "strong fundamental play." Doremy is an amazing player, but Wumbo has no issues with quickly setting up a wide variety of T-spins and tetrises. Wumbo honestly seemed nervous. I've never seen him make so many mistakes.

[@karmicknight]

Sorry for commenting so late, but I think wumbo was learning a lot from these matches by having his 4 wide countered with early pressure.

[@honeypower]

@@karmicknight Wumbo is a scrub

[@karmicknight]

@@honeypower go and beat him if he's a scrub lmao

[@YORCHspartan117]

Doremy: 4wide? i used to fear it, but now? i see it as a mere obstacle

[@snowflake1135]

Copied comment

[@YORCHspartan117]

@@snowflake1135 i do think my comment was first, and i dont see the one which "i copied"

[@Kitana___]

What is a four wide

[@bensell982]

@@Kitana___ it's technique in Tetris where you leave a 4 wipe gap in the middle with 3 pieces of over hang to build off of and constantly get singles and build up combos. If done right it sends a quite frankly absurd amount of garbage at your opponent and is good defensively because only the center 4 collums matter when getting eliminated.

[@Kitana___]

@@bensell982 Thanks for explaining!

[@aznguy.mp4]

wumbo deleting and editing vods makes him look less like a tetris god the same goes for starting each round with a 4wide

[@bensell982]

I do it as a joke against my friends on occasion but I usually just play like a normal game of tetris. Unless my opponent pisses me off then I pull out perfect clears and 4 wides

[@4lineclear]

Ben Sell lmao I do this too

[@ireadysucks3026]

Ben Sell PCs are cool, 4w isnt

[@sunesshi]

@@ireadysucks3026 A 4 wide is a perfectly acceptable strategy to use as its in the game and not hard to do.

[@ireadysucks3026]

e e the reason why it’s not acceptable to do is that it’s easy, and you basically can’t beat it.

[@bustin1946]

look who's not making a vid today

[@TheRaziz321321]

That's funny

[@jonathanmadi1881]

not funny.

[@FunZies.]

@ Photon and Jonathan Madi: You're both right.

[@TheRaziz321321]

FunZies I wasn’t being sarcastic lol

[@FunZies.]

@@TheRaziz321321 Oh, I know. Wumbo not posting his loses is extremely funny, but also not because it's extremely sad and petty. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@koishi5935]

Playing against Riviclia has done so much good for you as a player. I'm so proud of you lil Doremy :')

[@remixtheidiot5771]

Koishi patting Doremy in the back for a job well done is now a wholesome image that is stuck in my head.

[@Aewo]

​@@remixtheidiot5771 *imagines this in minusT 3d models*

[@PragmaticAntithesis]

@@remixtheidiot5771 Thanks for brightening my day with that image!

[@Niiue]

Remix The Idiot oh my god, thank you so much

[@3san223]

The fact that Wumbo actually lost for once makes me so happy. You did a really nice job doremy!

[@passionxj2114]

Wumbo lost many times. He just tried not to post it. He lost to Firestorm58 recently 6-10 and 1-10 (final).

[@helioknight9570]

Wumbo also removes his losses from his youtube premieres and deletes twitch vods he loses in such as this vod lol.

[@honeypower]

For once? He loses a lot

[@natend741]

Wumbo delete all of his losses VOD and clips

[@lemondrop8203]

why would that make you happy

[@rosequartz4]

Wumbo: *can we copy strike Doremy? like right now?*

[@repentingsariel169]

Lmao another extremist

[@coffeeblock7459]

Surviving the C4W and taking the game. To see all that progress Doremy made to get to this point. All that improvement we've seen finally paid off big. It's inspiring alright.

[@fullshark09]

Now that c4w doesn't work against you, what is wumbo going to do? His speed is compromised for having relied too much on that strat for too long. Don't bet everything on OP mechanics kids, cause one day may backfire. Well done man!

[@Doremy]

it does work. pc is somewhat luck factor, so is c4w if you can get downstack from the garbage sent. supersonic 4w (some jp build it faster) are my main weakness, as their midgame is also very strong.

[@aaroncuffee3079]

Doremy take credit, you beat the four wide, that’s a huge accomplishment!

[@maximofernandez4957]

Literally, if u survive to his 4w, he can't win.

[@lolwutman]

Maybe with doremy, but his midgame would beat most of the other players here.

[@maximofernandez4957]

@@lolwutman obviously. I'll never defeat a player like him, for example. But yeah, this shows that he isn't the strongest

[@shadownightlolz154]

amemiya can even rekt his 4w lul

[@honeypower]

@@lolwutman Dumb comment. He obviously means Wumbo can't beat other pros or high level players if his 4w fails, not the average player watching this video.

[@bugs5590]

James actually, your comment is dumber than his is, considering his isn’t dumb at all. The original commenter didn’t specify, so how do you know in the first place?

[@4tw_EpicYoshi]

Not even 4w can save you now Wumbo And there's no editing this vod either

[@nicthecat]

he is a kid because he deleted videos when he loses

[@lemondrop8203]

why wouldn't he delete his vids? he'd get more people buying coaching if they see that he is good

[@bigball45]

​@@lemondrop8203no one buys that noob's coaching

[@taidakun_ig]

Seems to me that Wumbo has been getting defeated a few more times lately. Zetris, Tafo, Amemiyataiyou, Doremy. Congrats on defeating Wumbo and his c4w, Doremy. You earned it.

[@natend741]

Wumbo does lose, he just delete VODs, clips and videos of it lol

[@skylar9046]

I mean. You did it. Playing against Rivi before made you adapt your style, and with it came something far stronger and resilient. It's been proven that you can take him down, and so can anyone else. I can't say anything else because, well, this is your moment. It's like you've slain a demon that you just couldn't quite beat. In a decisive manner, no less. EDIT: It looks like Wumbo deleted literally all of his Salty Cup matches. He's trying to hide that he wasn't first place.

[@therealsuper5828]

wumbo lost a lot more to doremy, but removed all proof lmao

[@skylar9046]

@@therealsuper5828 Oh, I'm aware. I just meant in this setting. It's pretty petty. He removed literally all evidence of his Salty Cup S2 videos. Talk about a lot of salt over there.

[@ryanshi8091]

@@skylar9046 this is why its called the Salty Cup

[@CsQ_RandomRepository]

23:21 Did Wumbo give up the last match? :P

[@robotmaster4515]

Yeah pretty much

[@NemoWorld3189]

I actually think Wumbo would've been better off ditching c4w entirely and going full tspins on you. Most games where he didn't choke his c4w you just set up tspins and tetrises to prepare for the damage and counterattacked. It also would've been more fun to watch. My honest opinion is that Wumbo has some training to do, but this was like, one of the most intense Salt Cup season2 battles I've watched yet, so good work, both of you

[@LuxIunaeLumen]

yay you beat the big bad 4wide user

[@nicthecat]

and salty video deleter

[@plainmilkie]

Watching Wumbo throw c4w every single round gets so old to watch. And based on this video it’s not guaranteed to give you the win but he just kept doing it

[@forgottenruina]

seeing wumbo use a c4w for every battle in this match is like seeing the literal definition of insanity

[@derpdee63]

I saw the results for this on the scoring spreadsheet a while back, been hyped to see the gameplay ever since. Amazing job Doremy!

[@thecountercounter9127]

The virgin 4-wide 200 combo gimmick vs. The CHAD Good Player and Master Fundamentalist

[@user-ed5ns8vh8f]

Doremy, it's the very first time I leave a comment to you, but I've seen many of your videos and I enjoyed them :) You're already SO good at playing both Puyo and Tetris, but you still practice more and hard to do better. I was impressed by your passion, not only your gorgeous game skills. In my mind, you're truly the best Puyo&Tetris player. Keep going, I'll cheer for you. :) (Since English is not my first language, there can be some errors in my comment. But I just hope my thoughts reach you.)

[@goldendoodle252]

6:47 that syncronized tetris Before watching these videos i thought I was ok at PPT and Tetris

[@derekliu793]

me: woah this is in my recommended, new doremy vs wumbo! "Sep 5, 2019" me: wtf youtube?

[@NobuRiona]

I guess all that playing agaisnt Rivi really paid off. Congrats Doremy. You've adapted to this new style!

[@chaosdracos]

All that practice w zetris payed off, lol

[@Clashkiller2000]

Lol true

[@mingikim1098]

So satisfying to see you finally defeating 4 wide combo. xD Great job Doremy!

[@chaoschao455]

I was there to watch this live, this was amazing to watch. Good to see Wumbo's 4w only tactic fail for once

[@superj1e2z6]

You need big brain plays to fight the weakness of c4w. Doremy is mega big brain doing the most fundamental stuff and using them to their most advantageous extent

[@kittyess]

Watching this live was so exciting!

[@Odima16]

9:38 lol nice z spin doremy

[@gremilyn]

Excellent play, Doremy! Glad to see you're taking it just a bit slower to mitigate misdrops, that and a lot of practice has helped you come a really long way. This was a really fun set to watch, and it's always good seeing proof that nothing is unbeatable, as cliché and silly as that sounds lol

[@user-fc2xk3uv8y]

what an iconic set of matches honestly. to this day its not forgotten

[@ssquirtlol1425]

Literally the definition of the “when two of the smartest kids have different answers” meme

[@mr.hippopotamus1792]

Except the one on the left is cheating

[@rxnfr2913]

@@mr.hippopotamus1792 lmao so true

[@lemondrop8203]

@@mr.hippopotamus1792 4 wide isn't cheating?

[@kevkevikev]

I am mesmerized watching such high level play. Kudos to beating wumbo!

[@weishes7516]

i thought you were wumbo at first and i was like, "why are you using a 4wide?"

[@fey0217]

love going back to this video and watching ppl eat wumbo tf up in the comments

[@Seymour_Richards]

Just wanna say you've improved a lot since this video

[@lauraliggins2711]

I’m so glad you won against a garbage tactic!

[@serbiamp4]

bruh, 4wide can be useful against not-too experiences players and experienced ones, I use it on Tetris 99 and I always get 1st

[@lauraliggins2711]

Serbia's Minecraft Gameplay but like when the 4 wide fails I get clapped

[@serbiamp4]

@@lauraliggins2711 lmao

[@honeypower]

@@serbiamp4 Of course its useful, its broken

[@bensell982]

@@honeypower it's also the only way your going to send a decent amount of garbage against somebody playing puyo

[@Wadosan]

I never would’ve thought that perfect clear setups would be key to beating such a 4 wide heavy player. Well done!

[@thecountercounter9127]

It is very smart, very smart indeed! The C4W is an incredibly powerful engine, that the moment it gets truly running, its damage leaves you in the floor! The solution? Smash it to bits before it has the chance to start up! Throw out the fastest damage you can to limit its potential! And what better than the perfect clear for the job? Truly an excellent strategy from our doremy!

[@baradragonsftw9310]

KKKKKKK WUMBO COULDN'T EVEN WIN USING HIS CHEAPEST "I'M GETTING PISSED" TRYHARD TECHNIQUE I'M DYING

[@ILudI]

Man imagine having 1 iq

[@tjjefferson7769]

@@ILudIHaving 1 iq is my life story

[@dullicecream]

Omg a match made in heaven

[@Lumision]

it's honestly kinda sad to see wumbo just 4-widing for the sake of wanting to win

[@keychera]

oh I see, the strategy is to cancel early damage of c4w so the higher combo damage could still be tanked. that's kinda cool

[@remixtheidiot5771]

In hindsight, its a very obvious counterplay... :/

[@supercorn5607]

Also do pefect clears to push up the 4 wide so they can't build a longer and deadlier 4 wide

[@llSuperSnivyll]

The most viable counterplay for 4-wides (outside of a 4-wide of your own, of course) is pressure. You can either KO them if they are using the regular 4-wide, or prevent them from building huge towers for center 4-wide (unless RNG is a harsh mistress and places all the garbage holes in the center).

[@bugs5590]

Remix The Idiot Well sorry that he’s not an insane Tetris player like you are.

[@mysticgohanss3]

14:05 all wumbo needed was a single tetris to get out of that situation, and in the very last moment, he gets 2. That hurts

[@bugs5590]

mysticgohanss3 Nah, more like the most satisfying moment ever.

[@lemondrop8203]

@@bugs5590 Yea nah

[@baberoo3898]

This was like the battle Wumbo had with Ajanba a few months ago. Really like how you can counter a four wide. Tell me how do you ply so fast and accurate??

[@Odima16]

12:17 so risky taking that garbage when you're so close to death but it was worth it :D

[@BaoCypher0912]

18:00 I said to myself, oh no Doremy, ur done, he got like 15 lines worth of combos. I was wrong 😂

[@kegtuwa]

Misplace of Death

[@Snivy-sl1pn]

if you can land the Perfect Clear against a 4wides of any kind, it's basically worthless. that being said, garbage can help keep a chain going so it's not truly perfect, but it works. also, i noticed this a lot of when people actually do 4 wides, they never really go for the T - Spin if it's available. Anyone know why cause it just bothers me why they would just do a normal combo instead.

[@johnbuttler915]

So that they can extend there combo more Ex: 2 combo lines better than one tspin double

[@llSuperSnivyll]

A T-Spin, like most doubles and triples, could very well break the combo, so most players don't even bother using them in the middle of a 4-wide.

[@panaman6938]

Yo, I was watching the stream and everyone was freaking hype, it was insane in the chat.

[@panaman6938]

Also missed PC at 10:05 :\

[@bloky5556]

@@panaman6938 he can't make a pc with the pieces he was given at that moment, so nothing was missed

[@panaman6938]

Bloky555 He could’ve used the Z, J, and S pieces to make the PC.

[@panaman6938]

I also just realized that there could’ve been a pc during the fifth game too if Doremy put the J to make a 3x4 rectangle and used the t s z and l piece to complete the pc

[@nathankeel6667]

great job doremy the pc luck was on point it was not the main thing but im shur it helped alot but your speed and timing to survive the 4 wide and then when that happened your intelligent t spin set ups and thought threw down stacks and we the pc didnt work adapting and still liveing some games was impressive something wombo does not have as much of because after a 4 wide it seems you dont have much room to play other then basic t spins and and tetrises and those still take time so good job now go and win

[@hase2944]

I don’t see why people hating on wumbo for 4w (I do think editing vods is kinda petty but) it’s a solid technique and mechanic that even amemiya uses.

[@Trades46]

Wumbo's 4w are intensely powerful, but you seem to have found a good counter for it. I feel like you're a better more flexible player than Wumbo is, since he almost relies exclusively on 4w to do damage when you & other pros (Amemiya & Rivclia) can still pull off T-spins to setup counters.

[@stucevevo8947]

insane gamplay didn't know strategy was this important

[@onsimi3411]

22:22　中開け一辺倒野郎に堀りRENでトドメ刺すの爽快過ぎぃぃぃぃ

[@bot-gp6hl]

まじそれこいつ中開けしかしやんやん‪w

[@kjo5114]

holy shit that was really satisfying

[@passionxj2114]

nice to see you win...99.99% people like you and Blink....

[@000adrianelpiola000]

Versus the second wumbo or a second match of doremy vs wumbo?

[@beeg_cheese8768]

The chad doremy vs the 4w wumbo

[@familystites4445]

A legend among legends Also am I so dumb that instead of trying to use a t-piece to get a perfect clear I make a t-spin double instead?

[@johanp2603]

Doremy loses in tetris? I M P O S S I B L E

[@yenihayatisland]

Congrats

[@GardenBoat]

Great job!

[@June_Hee]

Sweet sweet revenge

[@jademonass2954]

when gods fight

[@tvtetristv3182]

와우 . 움보의 포와이드를 이기다니 굳굳굳!

[@passionxj2114]

Did Wumbo post this match on his channel?

[@mkicon]

Haha, of course not

[@UhhHi-000]

When 2 of my favorite Tetris KZbinrs clash, who wins?

[@SoulSukkur]

9:17 how unsatisfying

[@icecream6256]

9:40 on doremy side, clockwise?

[@none561]

4-wide looks like some cheese

[@A1PHa._.]

NICE

[@Refrieddog]

Wow i thought he deleted this vod

[@mkicon]

Oh, wumbo did of course Luckily this is Doremy's channel

[@darkwing272]

The goal is to win, right? So why is it so bad that wumbo is using c4w? In a real life battle, why wouldn't you use everything you have to your advantage? His advantage is that he is really good at c4w. His disadvantage is that he doesn't adapt. Doremy's advantage is that he can counter c4w effectively. His disadvantage is that he does play just a bit slower so he can be beaten through speed. They are both great players, but one was just better than the other this time

[@user-zr9dm5ro7g]

Q: how many times widedo used c4w?

[@diface7389]

매번

[@acetone94]

Le 4wide, ce cancer de PPT. Bravo Doremy !

[@LiamBrownisAmazingDragon]

Top 10 Anime Comebacks

[@wileecoyotegenius5955]

What if you wanted to 4-wide, but Doremy said "Perfect Clear?" Great to see this guy get destroyed.

[@user-pv5hd1vu1t]

dang, this if fuckign amazing.

[@PaPa-kr5yt]

How to win against c4w. Good job Doremy. Every c4w player should be punished.

[@user-wr8nu3ox7s]

Feels like ar11

[@rianmarhamah4477]

1:51 Cool

[@Isaacminer1]

Im very new to the tetris community, why do people call videos vods? Just curious

[@panaman6938]

Vods just means video on demand. It’s not just in the Tetris community and is used practically everywhere

[@Isaacminer1]

@@panaman6938 havent seen it anywhere, thanks for clearin' it up

[@natend741]

@@Isaacminer1 it's used for replays of streams on twitch and stuff

[@ShinigamiKristak]

ＳＹＭＥＴＯＲＹＰＯＷＥＲ

[@etna-5999]

Excellent play Doremy! You showed he-who-does-not-deserve-to-be-named who's the boss, and destroyed his scummy c4w!

[@zod3632]

Why don't you learn/do 4wide as well? Only vs wumbo if you want

[@Miminitinumitumun]

Personal reasons, likely, since Doremy's stated before that he doesn't like 4wide but also cause it's not a guaranteed victory sometimes and 2 people 4widing can end up becoming a stall play as neither player is willing to initiate their combo. There are a few matches of Wumbo vs Amemiya on both of their channels that show matches that start with neither of them doing anything and just stalling out pieces for as long as possible. It's boring as hell.

[@Redrield]

Doremy has said before that they know how to 4w, but choose not to use it.

[@BaoCypher0912]

After years of watching doremy, now something makes me wonder if doremy is a girl

[@cuby9356]

Bao Cypher male confirmed

[@wouazzalus]

Asian french man

[@tadtorsh5165]

Great job!!

[@BGDMusic]

for a whole ass 10 minutes i thought wumbo was doremy

[@khw5916]

wumbo got flash backs from ttov

[@smii7ymilk919]

I think that Wumbo failed to change his strategy, he knew the 4 wide wouldn't work as well but stuck with and that led to his downfall

[@Major_Mason]

And here I am acting cool with a s3w 10 combo... 😭

[@EricSmyth2Christ]

14:11 is a clear mistake by Wumbo. We have no long bars coming up, so we should clear a bit with this red. It's a spot where you should peek as well. I saw it in real time, what was he thinking???

[@EricSmyth2Christ]

Btw this was a joke post, but it has some merit otherwise it wouldn't be funny