Ep13: The Mystery of Babylon - Doug Batchelor

[@TiaVananalagi]

Helo from Sydney Australia 🌏🦘 I really enjoyed all watching your Episodes, I now change my Church Denomination from Catholic to Seven Days Adventist, I now know the Truth, Amen🙏🏾👏🏾God Bless u 🙏🏾❣️

[@AcesLawnEnterprise]

Praise our Heavenly Father. Amen .

[@arasalucy654]

Praise God for the truth you have got. Welcome to adventist Church as we prepare to meet our Lord as He comes back the second time for His people. May God bless you and us all till then happy sabbath

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

The Bible also says, Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto Heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Revelation 18: 4,5 Glad that you’re coming out of her, the Catholic Church Papacy.

[@bentientcheu1853]

​@@dianechapmanbettyboopBabylon means confusion. It's not just the papacy, it's a system and it's found also in protestant circles.

[@bentientcheu1853]

Denominations won't save you. We should seek to get closer to Christ instead of a denomination.

[@mariacorazonmoore5090]

I wish a life with Jesus and be a member of SDA . Thank you Pastor Doug, Pastor Jean & staff. God bless everyone!

[@ChildofGod98765]

Father hear my prayers. I’m losing hope. My husband is with you I still miss him even after all these years. These pass three years have been difficult. At times I feel so alone especially as a single mom. Since suffering a heart attack two years ago and my on going battle with lupus I’m overwhelmed. Both of my sons are autistic. I’m now homeschooling them so my hours to work are limited. BUT I TRUST YOU LORD! I keep faith even as I constantly struggle to provide for my kids and I constantly struggle to buy groceries. I receive hate for sharing my testimony. My testimony is one of faith. No matter what we are facing God will give us strength to over come. Thankfully I have you Lord! I know I’m not alone. Faith over fear!

[@semmymmari6988]

God is with you. Where do you live?

[@JenniferLynn624]

Pray every time your thoughts start to get bad. Ask God to help you with your thoughts. You know that He will provide your every need. Don’t forget to praise Him in all situations, both good and bad.

[@reechchol9226]

May our God make you make it to the end, in Christ’s name amen

[@kerenwinters]

Amen❤️🙏Bless your heart😊

[@susankane8728]

Excellent explanation of Revelation’s Babylon, the false and true Churches. So needed in these end times of mass confusion about these very symbols. May God’s richest blessing of souls saved for His Kingdom be the result of faithful preaching. Jesus will come, as all the world has opportunity, through technology and the Holy Spirit to hear the three angels’ messages, in our generation🙏🏻❤️

[@leslieross7365]

Thank you Pastor Doug. I have truly enjoyed every episode in this series. May God bless you, your family, and all participants in front of and behind the scenes.

[@sherrieparis1357]

Yes indeed, Amen🙏❤

[@PastorBatchelor]

Hello friend, thank you so much for your kind words! Pastor Doug does not respond directly here on this social media platform but we will be sure to pass along your kind words to him! May God bless you, and your encouragement towards Amazing Facts is very appreciated! -The Amazing Facts Team

[@coralackey3082]

OSYIO,OSDA SANALEI ( HELLO,GOOD MORNING) From Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. Brothers and sisters rejoice.Happy Sabbath.

[@nilarene2088]

Happy Sabbath brothers and sisters! 😊

[@Poweryhiel]

Happy Sabbath to you. From the Phillipnes 🙏

[@AStemOfRedRose]

Amen, Lord Jesus. Happy Sabbath to everyone

[@jodifaul5904]

Just want you all to know and especially Pastor dog that I really love that song! It was so nice to hear Nathan‘s voice! He does a great job! It was so nice to hear the verses.I love Jackie’s voice too and she’s a great piano player! And very beautiful inside and out!

[@jshane847]

Powerful message boldly presented, i can only say indeed God has used this ministry to bless us with wonderful truths.

[@Jazbo777]

A very good lesson. So many people think they can pick and choose the verses you want to follow and leave the rest. The reason I like the SDA is because they believe in keeping kosher as well as keeping Shabbat.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

SDAs do exactly that: they pick and choose which verses they want to follow. They don't observe the other festivals in Lev. 23, even though they're just as much an obligation as the weekly Sabbath. And from what i've seen, SDAs also observe the heathen traditions like Christmas and Easter, even though God clearly outlawed those practices in Deut. 12 and Jer. 10. They also use pictures of Jesus, even though the 2nd Commandment outlaws that as well.

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

the festival’s or feast days were nailed to the cross. They were the handwritings of Ordinances which were against us and contrary to us Nailed to the Cross, they were the sacrifices of Lambs, meat and drink offerings, ceremonial sabbath sabbath days, which were yearly, on different days of the week, because they were controlled by the New Moon, all these things were a shadow of things to come-the crucifixion. All these things were written in the Book of the Law, written by Moses. That’s why the Bible says they were put in the side of the Ark of the Covenant, taking them out of the way. The Ten Commandment’s were placed inside because they are eternal, and protection. Deuteronomy 31: 26. Before criticism, you need to know what you’re speaking about. If you keep the feast days, Jesus died in vain.

[@davidstarr6604]

@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Are you saying we should NOT follow any verses in the bible? Or just follow the ones your church leaders/teachers tell you to follow (which they interpret according to their church's teachings) and then ignore everything else the bible has to say on the same subject? One is sola scriptura, Letting the bible interpret what it means in any given verse(s) on a subject. The other is sola dottrina. Interpreting scripture according to your church's teachings and ignoring anything and everything else the bible has to say. The fact you think SDAs just pick and choose which verses they want to follow shows you have no idea what the ENTIRE bible has to say on whatever subject is under consideration. When it is actually YOU that will pick and choose which verses you want to follow. How long will your church's leaders/teachers keep their jobs if they taught anything other than the teachings of their churches? Not only is this extremely hypocritical (AND prejudiced) but you set your church's teachings on a pedestal of infallibility and consider the bible's teachings as fallible which need to be redefined to match your church's doctrines.

[@fivefingerfullprice3403]

You're not supposed to keep shabbat. If you take on one part of the law you take on the whole law, meaning you're under law. Jesus nailed the law to the cross, we're under faith. You need to read the epistles of Paul and stop picking and choosing scripture. We're under grace, not the law, lest you boast of your own works.

[@davidstarr6604]

@@fivefingerfullprice3403 "Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." Rom 3:31 That word "establish" does not mean "do away with". The Greek word "istēmi" means "to make firm", "to establish a thing, cause it to stand", "to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything". Don't confuse God's 10 commandment law with Moses' Levitical laws (the handwriting of ordinances). Else you will start to believe it is ok to murder, lie, steal, commit adultery, worship idols, curse God. You become a man of lawlessness.

[@susankane8728]

Beautiful song and singing every one of God’s saints!!!🙏🏻❤️

[@reechchol9226]

My brother Doug I want to see you before God end my life…….may God give you more days and knowledge of Christ amen ❤

[@danceladyinred]

A really great message! First time i heard how the Us will be involved in the last days! Thank you

[@ChristByMySide]

Happy Sabbath, God bless you all 🙏

[@estellabocanegra2503]

Happy Sabbath Pastors Joan and Doug, and Mrs Bachelor. GH of bless and thank you for another wonderful beautiful message

[@PastorBatchelor]

Hello friend, thank you so much for your kind words! Pastor Doug does not respond directly here on this social media platform but we will be sure to pass along your kind words to him! May God bless you, and your encouragement towards Amazing Facts is very appreciated! -The Amazing Facts Team

[@bonbalab_]

Amen, praise God Thank you so much Pastor Doug God bless

[@Perseverance777]

Happy Sabbath!

[@CorbieFyffee]

Happy Sabbath to each and every ❤😂 praise God for the whole body of amazing facts and spreading the truth about Jesus 2nd coming to take us all who wait him to our 1000 years vacation 😂😂😂and then home for every more thank you Jesus ❤❤❤aman

[@debbycrowell303]

Amen! You always do such a good job! Awesome presentation

[@janetfairclough8584]

Happy Sabbath everyone 👏 🙏 🙌

[@angelvbladel5484]

Thanks, I also enjoyed every lessons and your explanation, god blessed this mission always

[@jey8575]

I’ve been watching this series. I have trouble concentrating sometimes so I have to rewatch it (I mostly listen) to fully remember and understand what each episode is about. From watching the episodes, I’ve come to love the theme song. It gets even better when I heard the verses. I fell in love with it. I sing it when I work and it helps with my mental illness symptoms every time. Just wish that there’s just a post of just the entire song with the verses, especially if it’s on Spotify or that Pastor Doug’s sermons series are also available as a podcast in Spotify :D

[@patriciaclayton6652]

Happy Sabbath from Patricia Sydney Australia

[@ApolinarioMaraon]

Happy Sabbath everyone!

[@janetfairclough8584]

Great lesson!!!

[@kerenwinters]

Love your message .Thank U Pastor .Bless your heart🥰🙏

[@deavenalajenio6777]

HAPPY afternoon Po🙏

[@jodifaul5904]

Wow that’s special music was extra good! And it becomes even more good when you see that they have Christ living in them not just talent to seeing them to play!

[@richardrutherford7319]

Shabbat shalom my friends from New Zealand

[@lynncameron9885]

Happy Sabbath from Port St. Lucie Florida

[@Joanne_uk]

Happy Sabbath all ❤ 🙏🏼

[@danceladyinred]

A really great message!

[@feliciabosch8110]

Blessed loving the Lord blessed in marriage lovely example Pastor and Mrs

[@cheufdphil8512]

Great work! Thank you 😊

[@TWILS02119]

Happy Sabbath friends!

[@sem481]

Feliz sábado

[@jshane847]

These messages are never ever in vain wow!

[@LaverneAgilles111]

May God bless us 🙏❤

[@sdanickofamilie6157]

PRAISE THE LORD ! MARANATA.

[@sanca5982]

"During the jubilee celebrations, one of the most important events in the Roman Catholic Church, pilgrims travel to Rome and religious sites around the world. At the end of the Mass, Francis opened the basilica's Holy Door. He said that by passing through it, Catholics should take on the role of the Good Samaritan." _____Caroline Wyatt, BBC Religious affairs correspondent

[@radianthaze5332]

A powerful call to step out of the mire of the world. Let us provide living sacrifices to God, holy and acceptable…not prostituted and defiled!

[@Sir.Siyamanga_Nceke]

Are you a Catholic or a Protestant?

[@Poweryhiel]

Amen! 🙏🙏🙏

[@sylvainrellek]

SABAT SHALLOM

[@Sir.Siyamanga_Nceke]

😢😢this series is ending

[@Bella-yb6gg]

It is called mystery Babylon for a reason, a mystery we might not know this side of Heaven.

[@TheKingkingg]

We must be children of God YHWH YEHOVAH YESHUA MESSIAH to enter heaven through obedience of God YHWH YEHOVAH YESHUA MESSIAH laws and commandments and prophets teachings including no idolatry which can be material things but even people.

[@gcampbell2077]

It's very telling that the questionere for an MRI scan asks if you have any tattoos on your body...It must affect the body more than we acknowledge

[@nablovetine8038]

Happy sabbth

[@AnonyMe-qy5vz]

I'm looking forward to watching this. In the meantime, for those who do the artwork, I've noticed that the thumbnails recently show the pure woman as a blonde, European looking woman and the harlot as having darker hair. It kind of falls into certain stereotypes about people that developed after Bible Times when for the Bible figures, darker complexion was the norm rather than something designated as related to bad and evil while being whiter or lighter is good and pyre. There are some people who are searching that would not listen because of this when the women were likely to have had dark hair and darker skin in Bible lands in Bible times.

[@AmazingFacts]

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[@AnonyMe-qy5vz]

@@AmazingFacts Thank you for the gracious response. I am happy with the content. I am just aware of how centralising Europeanness as, in essence, embodying everything noble, right, morally pure and good has lead to problems all over the world that haven't magically disappeared and it marginalises people who also need to be reached. That was all I wanted to say, thanks.

[@winston9590]

You are scaring me when you say it's the last, I may have not listened correctly

[@jaztamano777]

where can i get the lyrics of Jesus shine on me?

[@PastorBatchelor]

Hello friend, you can find the music at this link! God bless - The Amazing Facts Team www.pinnacleofprophecy.com

[@carolmitchell8672]

It is written, The truth will Make you free Not Set you free, a non adventist corrected me on that and so I looked it up.

[@dunmugambi2727]

I'M FROM KENYA. PLEASE MAKE THE VIDEOS DOWNLOADABLE. WE DON'T ALL HAVE WIFI

[@PastorBatchelor]

Hello friend, thank you for reaching out! Unfortunately Pastor Doug doesn't respond directly on this channel. It is run by his account manager! I don't believe we have a function directly on our channel where you can download the videos, but there are other ways that you can research if you want. God bless!

[@rosemariewilson9793]

Wow.....what does the Bible actually say about when the head receives a deadly wound? Thie does not line up with what Pastor Dough said...

[@ebbygshreve9577]

There is only one place in the bible that states the deadly wound, that I know of and that is an ALLEGORY not to be taken literal. The bible says that the deadly wound was healed.

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

The Roman Catholic Church Papacy had a deadly wound, Napoleon’s General Berthier kidnapped the Pope, he died a year later. They lost their civil power, gradually the deadly wound has been healing, it is almost totally healed. America the other beast In Revelation 13: 11 the beast like a lamb with two horns that speaks as a dragon will help the Papacy totally heal their deadly wound .Revelation 13: 3,12

[@ebbygshreve9577]

@@dianechapmanbettyboop Yes I totally agree with you and that is exactly what Pastor Bachelor was teaching.

[@davidstarr6604]

@@dianechapmanbettyboop The loss of political power of the Papacy in 1798 was the deadly wound. The only way to "heal" that wound would be a restoration of political power (becoming it's own nation/kingdom again). This happened in 1929. The beast's deadly wound has been healed for nearly 100 years.

[@markphelps9218]

I believe come 2029, the one hundred year anniversary, you will see a climatic event of UFO alien disclosure. Then the great deception will take place, that even the Adventist elect won't have a clue what is going on, unless they study the book of Enoch, and other Apocrypha books.@@davidstarr6604

[@davidstarr6604]

@Linda Crowder You around here?

[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

How do we "know" that the Bible we have, is what God intended for us to have? Was it man that decided? ❤

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

The KJV is the most accurate, Jesuits have messed with all other versions, adding and taking away words changing the meaning of the texts. All versions except the KJV have between 16-18 missing verses that are in the KJV. The KJV has not been manipulated, only the modern versions which are all but KJV

[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

@@dianechapmanbettyboop yes, thanks for explaining this. But with the original manuscripts/books, how was it decided which ones were "Canon?" Did the early church have a bigger Bible? It's a bit confusing...🥴

[@charnelallan7159]

​@@dianechapmanbettyboopWHO told u so?

[@PastorBatchelor]

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[@alwaysovercomingbear4809]

@@PastorBatchelor thank you 😊

[@cil949]

But if Jesus suffered for our sins why should we still suffer? It does not make sense? Or did he suffer just for those that will be saved?

[@dr.francodebellefort4209]

A very thoughtful question indeed, mate! I wish others had come forth to help with it. I think what you mean is, if Jesus died for our sins, why should we still die? Quite a legitimate question, isn't it. The wages of sin being eternal death, we were hopelessly condemned unless God Himself, in the person of Jesus, paid the ransom by dying, and then resurrecting Himself, thereby leaving the door open for us to follow suit.

[@dr.francodebellefort4209]

As for His earthly sufferings, while that was a natural consequence of being man, He suffered more in proportion to His elevated nature, and, like everything else He did, that too had a purpose, namely, that you yourself be encouraged whenever you happen to find yourself going through tribulation or hardships.

[@carlinesimeon9440]

Babylon was also well known for SUSPENDED GARDENS all over!!!

[@RS-ru5ds]

Why commercials?? Very distracting!!

[@ebbygshreve9577]

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[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

It is KZbin advertising

[@mauricethomas7090]

Commercials = compensation for the you tuber.

[@garysuplee5092]

See : King of Babylon Shepherds Student 😨.

[@akgirl9076]

🙏✝️❤

[@roelofelskamp5128]

I belief that the women is not the church, but is Israel see the hystorie of Josef in Genesis (his parents en the brothers)

[@Tara-di4cb]

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[@dannylo5875]

So behind doug. I looked through a lot of what you preach... doesn't match and you have the same talking points...I seen way to much to the point where I am actually concerned that alot of pastors in the SDA church have no true understanding as its a lot more...then is understood as what works in the spiritual world vs what does not.

[@PastorBatchelor]

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[@johnmarlow7959]

Vicar of christ/ substitute of christ/ in the place of christ/opposite of christ/ anti-christ

[@jeffandchrissiepimentel3761]

You just described Islam!

[@mauricethomas7090]

EGW teaching is mixed in with the Bible. 😢😢😢😢😢.

[@susanberry6157]

Actually it says 7 mountains, not hills. So John looking down from heaven would have seen 7 continents where kindreds,peoples, nations and tongues are, this is what The Holy Spirit put in my spirit years ago. I am watching is lam as The Lord also put in my spirit.

[@davidstarr6604]

John was on the island of Patmos when the vision was given, not in heaven. The "new world" (North and South America) was not known back then so the prophecy can not mean 7 continents.

[@susanberry6157]

@@davidstarr6604 Revelation chapter 4:1,AFTER THIS I LOOKED, AND, BEHOLD ,A DOOR WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN:AND THE FIRST VOICE WHICH I HEARD WAS AS IT WERE OF A TRUMPET TALKING WITH ME;WHICH SAID, COME UP HITHER, AND I WILL SHEW THEE THINGS WHICH MUST BE HEREAFTER. This is The Word of God, he was absolutely taken to heaven in the spirit and shown all things that The Angel of The Lord showed him. Please read it yourself if you disagree. Bless you brother.

[@feelgood253]

[@NuraLand-z6u]

מספרים בתלמוד שהוא היה קשור לשרים של אחשווראש

[@dr.francodebellefort4209]

They are two different groups entirely! ... It was Israelite captives in Babylon, Israelite or Hebrew queen, not joo!

[@jeffandchrissiepimentel3761]

Pastor, Ross. Just because something has been spoken of for "500 Years" doesn't make it truth! Pastor Batchelor stated, "not something I dreamed of in a private interpretation"...Then please tell us, if this is not someones private interpretation, then what do you call it? We can go back and forth all day long, but it is exactly that! Explain why we have these names throughout scripture describing the Antichrist? Egypt (Antichrist is called "The Pharaoh of Egypt"), Assyria (Antichrist is called "The Assyrian"), Babylon (Antichrist is called "King of Babylon", then Medo / Persia, Greece and according to you...Rome! Problem I see is that when this Harlot is being described throughout scripture, there is no other place it could be but in Arabia! Yet, you point Rome out as being the culprit. Isaiah gives authoritative proof on who this beast power is yet you give no time to it because you are relying on the "Great Protestant Reformers", "The Giants" to provide the answers for you rather than truth! Isaiah 21:9 says, "Babylon is fallen, is fallen", the same announcement used in Revelation 18:1-2. In other words, Ancient Babylon was simply a TYPE of the last days Babylon and the names provided are all areas in Arabia... - The "Burden against Dumah" (verse 11), the "Burden against Arabia" (verse 13), "All the glory of Kedar will fail" (verse 16). Both Dumah and Cedar are in Arabia, yet where in the Bible does it say, the "Burden against Rome"? You won't find it! Sure, all of these "reformers" agreed that Rome was this Harlot, the Antichrist, but who exactly were these people and why not explain the background on each of them, rather than "they were Catholic". Martin Luther, the one and only who gave birth to Nazi Ideology! The harbinger of all the chaos that is in the world today. Instead of Christianity (Church) being the "Bride of Christ", unspotted and unblemished it is a mere shadow of what it was during the time of the Apostles, even the early Church Fathers! What is tragic is that very few have taken the time to examine scripture, and the history of the Church to see where the evils came from and it certainly was not from the Catholic Church! Fact...Luther, did not bring scriptural knowledge to the world, nor was he any kind of hero! He denied the authenticity of Revelation, had contempt at the book of James, Ester and Jonah, accusing Christ with having relations with the woman at the well. Then there is John Calvin, who gave the order to have people burned alive, gave support to the Turks in their battles against the Catholic Church, including his beliefs in Darwinism. Thomas Cranmer, a person with little to no experience and a self appointed "theologian" who made himself archbishop! He worked against the Catholic Church by forcing "reformation" ideology onto the people. When Queen Mary came to power, he was charged of heresy and recanted his faith. Because of heresy, he was put to death. , Pastors, tell the truth to your audience, not bits and pieces so that you tarnish the name of the Catholic Church and its beliefs, (the teachings of the apostles)! A church that was instituted by Christ of which the keys were given to Peter. Jeff

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[@dr.francodebellefort4209]

Please, kindly do quit confusing listeners by substituting joo for Israelite!

[@williampatrick5462]

You ought to throw in the mystery of the trinty doctrine as well since you're speaking of Babylon 🙄

[@jeffandchrissiepimentel3761]

What does the trinity have to do with Babylon?

[@williampatrick5462]

@@jeffandchrissiepimentel3761 that's where the teaching comes from. Babalonian pagan Sun-worship from Rome

[@ann7318]

Name one "good pope". I have never heard of any.

[@jeffandchrissiepimentel3761]

If you’re listening to these ppl, there are no good Popes! It’s constant bashing of Rome and Catholics

[@tommym4167]

the Bible TEACHES THERE IS A HELL.. read the story of the rich man and Lazarus the bum. the rich man died and was in hell and Lazarus died after and was carried down to Abrahams this is before Jesus .. the rich man asked if he could go back and warn his family he said he was in torment so yes the Bible teaches you will go to heal and have all your 5 senses. and also ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. once you receive christ you can not be unsaved bible says that nothing can take us from Jesus please read your bible.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

The story of Lazarus and the rich man is not proof that the fictional hell of traditional Christianity exists. (1) Christ said it was a parable, and parables are _fictional stories that are used to illustrate a point_ . (2) Heb. 11 says Abraham has _not_ received eternal life yet. (3) The Bible clearly teaches that the dead have _no_ awareness(4) Christ preached about Gehenna fire that _destroys_ , not "hell" . (5) The only "hell" that does exist is the grave.

[@solofourohsixgaming]

That is a parable.

[@dianechapmanbettyboop]

Once saved always saved is a false teaching that originated from the first church of Ephesus in A.D. 31-100 by the the Nicolaitans which were heroics.Revelation 2:6, 15 speaks about how Christ hated them with their false doctrines. People judge themselves as saved, and believe they can continue sinning and will be saved. Christ is the judge, not ourselves. Only the very faithful will be saved, most people will be lost, including very many that profess Christ. Matthew 7: 13,14, 20-23, Luke 13: 24-28 Many only have a form of Godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3: 5

[@davidstarr6604]

I would have to agree with dianechapmanbettyboop. Nowhere in the bible does it say "once saved always saved". You are redefining "all sins" as though they were sins of the past, present and future when the bible clearly states it is only sins of the past (Rom 3:25) that can be forgiven. Future sins have not happened yet (may not ever happen) so do not exist in this present moment. Sins committed NOW (this exact moment) cannot be forgiven because there is no repentance while doing said sins at the same time. Perhaps you should consider what Paul says about this in Heb 6:4-6 and 10:26-27. What is this "falling away" in II Thess 2:3 or the "departing from the faith" in I Tim 4:1? How can you fall from something unless you were once on it? How can you depart from the faith unless you were once in it? Jesus even warned against this: Luke 9:62 The belief that you can go on sinning (breaking God's law) and still be saved will turn you into a man of lawlessness. Do you need Paul's warnings against THAT? The "once saved always saved" teaching takes away our freedom of choice. What if a person decides a Christian's life is too hard and wants to go back to his/her old life? Are they now doomed to lead a life they no longer want or are they free to choose?

[@roncompton5890]

Jesus is coming to rule the earth and boy is he pissed