Down and Dirty Reef Keeping - All of The Gadgets Are Just Sales. 52SE | Special Guest Josh Earel

[@jondahl9826]

I like this guy. Its nice to hear someone have a different point of view and not just shake their head and agree with Ryan on everything.

[@ironic_water]

If Josh and Ryan combined hair they'd be unstoppable.

[@jaggillarintefisk]

Like One Punch Man

[@PepeCoinMania]

well the cap guy is 100% bald

[@KandMmediaLA]

This IS the top comment.

[@8bitflea]

😂

[@mattersaquatics3916]

Me and my buddy met Ryan after this event at the WWC Booth, he’s a very kind and humble soul, glad we could be present!!

[@fishnewhere387]

That's awesome to hear. You never know what you'll get in person. Nice to know he's actually a good dude.

[@BRStv]

Thanks for the kind words. We are in this together and I enjoy all of the conversions :)

[@roycemcgarry1992]

Excellent presentation, it was a pleasure to be there in person. I was shocked that they spoke so long without a break, I figured it would be 30 mins or an hour tops! Thanks guys

[@BRStv]

A knowledge transfer marathon :)

[@ex_exparrot4663]

They must be reading off cards for their videos with multiple cuts... (And yeah probably are for brief, main channel videos) >goes on to give over an hour of nonstop discussion Lol

[@ryancremeans3432]

I love the progression of the ideas in this hobby they are coming full circle. As an old school reefer from the Dino days I like how we are getting a great mesh of less is more married with the new tech…Awesome talk Ryan!!!

[@BRStv]

I was so excited when Josh said this was the topic he wanted to do. Some of the best lessons come from when we disagree and the nuance in between :)

[@comment.highlighted]

Wow. I’ve watched this video 3 times now. So much Real usable knowledge for newbies like me. Thank you 🙂

[@kevin8360]

A “Shower” and a “Grower” walk in to a bar… and we get GREAT CONTENT. Excellent video. Stripped down and truthful. Educational from two points of view: 1. Dedicated to spending every waking minute babysitting the tank. 2. The average educated hobbyist with an hour or two per day. Fancy gadgets… do you need them? It all depends on how lazy you want to be. FYI: WWC is focused on growing, while BRS is focused on showing. As hobbyist, we need to do both. I want my tank to thrive, while being beautiful and less demanding of my time.

[@ceocoeus9775]

Vey well said bro!

[@damnthetorpedos1691]

I put my son’s roller mat on the over flow Very loosely and as water quality ebbs and flows I’ll reposition it to collect more or less. It works.

[@ReRe-yl6dq]

so we need to be seeing a 50% reduction in prices on all these gadgets now since they are all so worthless.

[@clsanchez77]

Don’t count on that. His next video will list out all the gear on his next tank and all the fanboys will forget about this conversation.

[@fishnewhere387]

The drive for the next best thing has a trickle down effect. Why you have lower cost options now for entry. Jump series, anything from simplicity, lower cost led and DC options across the board, wouldnt be here without kessil, ecotech, ect.

[@edwardownen]

@@clsanchez77that’s some weird hateraid Few have generated as much digestible knowledge to the hobby as Ryan and BRS who cares if they promote products?

[@edwardownen]

⁠@@fishnewhere387yep People don’t get this Just like how the $10,000 yurple tang will trickle down and benefit the hobby as a whole in time

[@clsanchez77]

@@edwardownen no hatred at all. I have watched Ryan’s videos for years and am a BRS customer. But product placement does not replace skill and the newer videos are focused on products/brands. Been in the hobby over two decades and am just amused that suddenly all these products are must haves.

[@smokiebandit]

I love the interaction you two have together so much information was given. In my opinion one of the best interviews, you both are very passionate about your own opinions. Bravo to both of you🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@BRStv]

Many people believe that the differing of opinions are where "right and wrong" is identified. I believe the "in-between" is where the nuance of success is found :)

[@stuartkowald2943]

Of all the one to one you guys do this is the best you are honest and this one makes you think and give better information than I’ve heard on all your videos

[@jasonphillips3209]

good video - I think the two different view points on most areas arise from Josh working 8+ hours a day and having staff 8+ hours a day and 7 days a week as job, rather than Ryan looking at it from a hobbyist point of view and skill set who want an Aquarium to look at and admire rather than job

[@BRStv]

Everyone's council is heavily inflenced by what works for them, myself included. More or less It's just beeing honest with ourselves on how much time you have for the tank and then planning arrund that. That answer is different for everyone, lieing to ourslves only hurts the animails.

[@arslanxelan9606]

Love your videos. When I attempted reefing for the first time 10 years ago, the only source of info were those toxic reefing forums. Glad now with all these approachable and great youtubers sharing info, we are in the golden age of knowledge sharing in reefing! I am 100% that my second attempt will be better than the first.

[@Mittzie]

The forums are cliquey (they seem to have gotten better in recent years) but they can be a treasure trove for troubleshooting if you just use the search function.

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

thought I knew something you guy long winded some aspects.but! pull a ton of episodes together.boom! you have what it takes to be successful reefer. thx. 4 hard work guys. 😊

[@Mittzie]

as someone who bought an actual VCR again a couple month's ago, i like my archaic tech, the less bells and whistles the less likely something goes wrong a lot of the newer lights for example - its no the light diodes that give out its any of the million of other things in it that kick off and make them die.

[@edwardownen]

Thanks for putting the Q&A up! Big shout out to Josh & Ryan. Ryan stopped by the front of the line and said hi to several of us after we grabbed his attention in a very creepy manner - really nice guy. Josh helped me out with some acros and I really appreciate it - also got a selfie. Thanks for doing the show, my wife and I loved it!

[@BRStv]

Meeting everyone who watches and hearing how the lessons affect their tank is my favorite part of the year. Thanks for the opportunity :)

[@ChadwickHorn]

I keep my tanks as close to nature as possible. Skimmers do what wave action does near the beach where most fish live (think of the pillows of foam blowing across the beach) and when white capping. I've also found that "old tank syndrome" happens when you reach the max point of nutrient concentration in the water column compared to the max bacteria able to exist in our glass boxes. That's why it completely crashes in a matter of hours or days.

[@BRStv]

Old tank syndrome is more or less the accumulation of what we didn't know or plan for over many years. That is part of why I believe tanks with consistent water changes have much higher long-term success rates. Solves most of the unknown.

[@pubwvj]

I have been keeping aquaria salt and fresh since the 1960s. Some tanks decades old. I have never had old tank syndrome. I generally do 10% water change a week although sometimes skip. Old water goes to other tanks, a cascade to salt marsh.

[@reconnaissance7372]

12:31 This is why I've basically dreamed of automation as much as I possibly can on my aquarium. And it's not even because I don't have the time to work on it. If I can get a piece of equipment, or use even multiple pieces of equipment like a fridge, liquid foods, a dosing pump fitted to the fridge, a magnetic stirrir titrating a months worth of phytoplankton that get's automatically dosed daily. I see it as an absolute win. Maybe a very expensive win. But it's all repurposable equipment simultaniously so if it doesn't work out, everything can have it's use for you at some point.

[@garyjenson1326]

I've never used 2nd stage rodi resin for co2 removal but I had a well and it was co2 that fouled my resin. I had 38 ppm at the he well head. I went though so much resin I first started spreading on a screen outside and it worked but using high pH solutions (reef to reef for particulars) works more completely. This would work for air co2 removal.

[@smokiebandit]

I am a big fan of both of you I do shop at BRS and world wide corals, I live in Florida and I do visit world wide corals all the time .

[@BRStv]

Thanks for the support it matters to everyone on both teams :)

[@Alisa-Kellers-Reef]

Great conversation I sure do appreciate this so much

[@franklinwest2090]

This is fantastic guys! So much great information! 😊

[@BRStv]

Glad we could share it with you!

[@franklinwest2090]

Great job Josh and Ryan!!!

[@BRStv]

Thanks, Josh killed it with this topic :)

[@dylanneff]

I don’t think anybody is suggesting that people shouldn’t take care of their pets when we talk about antibiotic resistance. We need to be more responsible though. Use less harmful methods when possible (oxolinic acid, dips instead of full tank treatment), and neutralize the chemicals before disposal. Sure antibiotics should be used sometimes, but not as much as they are being used currently.

[@CatfishHeaven777]

You can tell this dude can’t really say what he truly feels because he’s part of the “industry” I’d love to see him and Ryan have a conversation without cameras on

[@dusk1947]

I disagree. I don't want to challenge what you said, but I'd like to offer a different perspective: The impression I get from Josh, and most professional coral farms/retail management is they've see so many different things work, they're are hesitant to discount anything. I've personally had conversations with him when I visited Orlando, he helped me pick out two corals to take home. He was direct, enthusiastic, and tried to match his advice against my onw goals. While also staying grounded in what works for WWC and his own experience. Which is what I think restrains his comments here.

[@BRStv]

It's true that Josh and I are not going to be inflammatory and we avoid being overtly negative, which is part of acting professionally. We focus on the positive message of what works best for us and what we have learned. Neither of us is willing to say anything we don't believe to be true. You can see the hesitation and crafting of words as we balance those things in real-time in front of a live audience :) .

[@tobiasdecker884]

Not everyone is the system keeping you down mannnnn!!!!

[@Sec_coach]

It’s their breadwinner they can’t just say these gadgets so expensive aren’t necessary

[@taylorblake5867]

I would like to request a new series with the significant focus on habitat in the tanks in 52se would your channel be able to do a in the wild look at commonly kept aquarium animals such as coral fish and invertebrates? Putting some context to the pictures and videos on the internet with depth flow levels par as well as some seasonal fluctuations. I know it would take a lot of travel and effort to do such a series but I think being able to see the wild reefs with a focus on giving context to commonly kept animals to help understand the some key information like growth shapes of wild coral or population density of some of the fish species on the reef.

[@Matthias1987]

Nice educative

[@grantgussie8768]

Any one know what the "deloola" (?) lights of which he speaks (at the 33:25 point) are?

[@TheFlaminghater]

Dalua, it’s an Australian company I believe. Their lights are very popular in Australia and I think Asia.

[@daluainternational]

He is referring to the Illumagic X-4

[@404Rainbow]

This has been a very informative video. Thank you.

[@kaldenkyulo4100]

Great video many of us been waiting for, love when you have this guy in your videos because he has different & sometimes opposite opinions including which side of the head to grow hair lol ironic ( or whatever the word is for that)

[@4foxsake571]

I would really like to see how you have that max spec recirculating set up on the skimmer as opposed to the Royal Exclusiv

[@BRStv]

The Aeraqua Duo has a knob on it that can be turned to make one side a recirculating skimmer. Very easy.

[@Ryan-no5bf]

If someone could make a 20-30 gallon modern looking box in black or white that would sit nicely next to the new modern tank look, that would be a perfect kalk solution. Just hook it up to a dosing pump.

[@smokiebandit]

I watched this video twice in a row

[@BRStv]

4 hours of lessons :)

[@Reefspidey]

To the light discussion, isn’t that Kessil’s logic? Coral growth over PAR

[@vascojardim6703]

Why not using kalk with a reactor instead of the big giant tub? It is what I do and I feed it out of the RO deposit with a dosing pump. Never had an issue! Empty the thing about once a month, throw a bunch of new kalc in and you have another month of not having to worry about it. I use the Deltec and the motor runs 24/7. Minimal footpring with all of the advantages. And the maintenance of the reactor is much easier that cleaning a big 55 gallon drum.

[@Sec_coach]

Because reactors aren’t available for everyone only for people having sump and they aren’t cheap at all they require exclusive pump only for that purpose

[@BakersReef]

I like it ❤

[@vascojardim6703]

The moment and automated frozen feeder exists I will buy one! Most of us work all day long and typically are not around at the time of feeding, yet we still want to have fish like anthias or Copperband butterflies that will not eat pellets but still I see a lot in the hobby saying they would not see a use for an automated frozen food feeder, or that it would need at least to be able to have a week’s worth of food! I say BS! Even if it would only hold a day’s worth of frozen food it would benefit the majority of the hobbyists that are not around during the day to frequently feed frozen food to their fish. Most just dump a ton of frozen once a day and wonder why the Copperband is not doing so well. PLEASE help bring such product to market! Have Neptune buy IndCreations and sell it as a Neptune product. I would buy it without thinking twice

[@fmmrz5]

Also I would say that I used the avast plank auto feeder with their freeze dried food blend. My wrasse love it and I feed 8 times a day.

[@noodles_GA]

I love starting a tank with the bare minimum. Heat, flow, and mechanical filtration. And I add on as the tank progresses. Usually starts with a skimmer, then media such as carbon and GFO. But that's the extent of what I will have. I love automation but I also love the amount of work this hobby takes.

[@tylernorton6682]

good stuff from these 2 bbut ryan loves to talk lol

[@RyanFelt]

Great talk! It’s funny how Ryan brings on an expert but then just talks the whole time lol

[@janinesnyder8250]

Nice bistro vibe!

[@BRStv]

We will have to do this again :)

[@ou812reefing]

Ryan here is a challenge do a real old school flow with maxi jets in the 52 weeks of reefing

[@BRStv]

Lol, wouldn't that be fun :)

[@nxdevera]

Whens the biome pt2 videos going to be released?

[@BRStv]

That got tabled for 52SE, but all of the lessons applied to these 8 tanks. Watching the application may be more valuable for many :)

[@littlebit8901]

My philosophy has always been: The more you time spend with your tank, the better it will be. The more automation on your tank, the less time you spend with your tank. (Obviously within reason. I know jobs, family and such play an important role in this) It's like the saying, your plants grow better when you talk to them. It's not the talking that does it, it's the time you spend with them, taking care of their needs.

[@Mittzie]

It also comes down to the more tech you use - the more likely something can go wrong and you have to troubleshoot a million things that could be interacting with each other instead of a small handful of things that aren’t as related.

[@Mittzie]

(And the plant analogy only works for some things, I say this as a house plant person most of them thrive on neglect 😂 your tank would not like to be neglected)

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

hmmm? I'm listening.hmmm.basic staples to follow but expernt what for you to be sucessful.hmmm.filter socks? good accessibility! don't stuff everything under tank. room behind tank extra closet bathroom bed room. nice but$ nxt to tank? stuffing all below set up failure.? dunno out of site out of mind 😕 either way $ 10 grand ?

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

timers off down low pumps feeding time what 05 mins.all will be fine.

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

I'm going to come to mn.come to work there and set up a tank in office to teach you something just kidding lightin up. what are you keeping corals or fish ? keep corals and fish will do fine? teach me something 😢

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

Mblending lights good. salt water tank $ you have to discuss with people reefing is an investment you say what, ? yes investment in life, peace of mind, hobby .family shared Hobbie etc. 😊

[@jeremybw2180]

So after some research...ChemiClean IS, IN FACT, Erythromycin sulfate instead of the regular Erythromycin succinate.

[@Slide-Loc]

Thought provoking conversations 👏

[@BRStv]

I told him it was time to poke the bear :)

[@itsadreamfrodo6461]

I would use an automatic dose if every thing didn’t take forever to set up. Need some plug n play accessories in this industry.

[@arvidbeuchert4012]

waste? left over food poop dead stuffed etc.watwr movement feed corals with waste? poop etc.

[@thesuk1222]

So hard to know what advice to listen to as a new reefer.i have watched all the BRS videos of the last few months saying that the roller mats are the next great thing and how did we survive without them all this time ! now this video what is a new reefer to listen too i have seen so much contradiction from so may videos from BRS and a bunch of other so called pro's ? i understand that new tools come to market at different time which bring the newest tech to market .but when you listen to a pro saying get it and then now not really needed . hmmm

[@john-xo9mg]

Keep it simple and be patient seems to work best..

[@melisajohnson]

As a new reefer only a year into this and just upgraded from a 65 gallon to 90 this weekend, I’ve learned to take everything with a grain of salt and and keep the advice in mind. Every tank is different. Learn YOUR tank. I have learned that like has been said many times before in these videos is biodervisity. Patience is key. I’ve learned the hard way.

[@iceicetimmay]

Also keep in mind that knowledge in the industry is rapidly evolving. Some it is necessary yo check other sources and dates when things got published. But Melisa said it best. Be patient, very patient and learn YOUR tank

[@edwardownen]

Honestly I find the pros on KZbin to be the best sources of info, and LFS employees to be the worst

[@BRStv]

This was one of the primary points of this video. There is no underlying perfect guide book that fits all tanks, and styles it's an understanding of tools and methods. Some of which can be read or learned but in the end you just got to get your hands dirty and try it. It's not that any single piece of gear is critical, it's understanding what your goals are and selecting an approach to gear that serves those goals. This will also be the heart of the 52SE series once we get to the science and nuance of application videos. A rollermat is a great way to export nutrients and avoid related pollution and related uglies. Particularly in the first year or so in a reef tank. Eventually, the coral density may filter the water for you and it will become unnecessary. A roller mat on a tank without corals or a tank that gets fed a ton of food is a no-brainer to reduce the reliance on filters that may not be anywhere near as effective, If you are a sock user and like how they work for you but dont want to change them every three days a rollermat is also a great altrnative to that and much more consistant. All of these are true statments with near uinversal agrement from people who have used tools like these. The best advice for someone new or a first tank is less try and peice all of this together yourself and more find a sucessfull tank you like and emulate it.

[@daveledoux3535]

That’s why I dont use a skimmer

[@fishnewhere387]

I'm doing my first hard plumbed tank, roller and fuge, no skim. Feeding heavy still have a hard time getting my nitrates to climb.

[@6jdhd]

I don't use filter socks

[@BRStv]

me either :)

[@abstractjwl806]

Gadgets and filtration are determined by bio load and how many water changes you are prepared to do. Not everyone will pack their tanks with corals.

[@PepeCoinMania]

Im old enough to realize that 90% of things they sell in this hobby are unnecessary money cash grabs!

[@fdl1162]

The guy from WWC complaining about crazy prices on gadgets what about the crazy prices on corals from WWC ....

[@Slide-Loc]

I respect anyone who has a stance that an automated controller and monitor isn't necessary, but it's a low success rate outcome in most applications. I'm on a trip currently, there is no reasonable scenario where that works most days in most situations. In fact over the years I can say I've had my system/home saved by my Apex well in excess of a dozen times over the years. That doesn't mean I don't get mad at it but that's not the same thing as saying it's not necessary.

[@BRStv]

80% of reefers will find themselves on this path of mentalities: Controller or isn't necessary if you stay in in-tune with your tank. -> ok ok staying in tune with your tank 24/7 isn’t possible and a monitor is critical because 12-24 months in gear starts to break, we get complacent and results of small but continual mistakes show up. Ok ok a controller does have some automatic redundancy that I find invaluable and the ability to turn gear on or off remotely is nice. Ok ok , if I use this right it does make many elements of reefing/maintenance/dosing/testing, etc… easier.

[@rmcrom]

I am pro-NSA reef rocks.

[@elchappo1320]

This guy jus basically said the opposite of what i thought was true