Downtown San Francisco's Caltrain extension plans gets big boost from federal government

The ambitious plan to connect Caltrain to San Francisco’s Salesforce Transit Center just got a big boost from the federal government. Sergio Quintana reports.
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[@wmtrader]

Making it faster to get into downtown San Francisco will increase the number of workers, shoppers, and residents in and around downtown SF. Now if we can only get an electrified rail tunnel from the Transbay Terminal, across the bay to Oakland, and then electrified tracks out to Vallejo/Fairfield/Sacramento.

[@Nabinut]

There used to be the Key system, which did most of what you're describing, except the Vallejo/Fairfield/Sacramento portion.

[@nrauhauser]

The cores for the Bay Area and Sacramento are both fine. but woe unto those who are on the edge and want to come to the city. There are things I like to do on the Caltrain line south of SF, but by the time I get all the way down there, attend, then dash all the way back, probably having to use Uber due to late/tight connections? I just skip the whole thing ...

[@plantsplantz2116]

That will take like 10 to 15 years to build like the lightrail extension in sf. 😅 & Bart want to taxpayer to bail them out. Don't forget to hire more fare inspectors 😅

[@michaelwells7348]

What if the Workers work closer to the Ball Parks where the Current train station is ?? ~ Then it’s going to take them longer ....RIGHT ?.. ( FYI ) THE City offices are 40% Vacant ... and the workers Ain’t Commin Back ... they like to stay home and work with their Dog....

[@slimshady6359]

Workers, San Francisco is a ghost Town

[@G-546]

Just start building with those funds. Get the tunnel structure built and put tracks and platforms in as money comes in. Far cheaper than waiting to start.

[@NithinJune]

inflation is killer. the longer you wait, the less your money can do

[@kurtthewurt]

I agree, once there's 60% of a tunnel and some platforms, more money will come in for the completion. It's so much easier to ask for funds to finish a project than to get it started while costs continue to rise.

[@KnightDark1233]

Imagine taking the MUNI to embarcadero, walking to salesforce transit center, then taking a maglev train to LA in

[@michaelwells7348]

Why the hell would anybody want to go to LA....It’s just an Expensive Toy..... we can fly if’s we want ...

[@emvvehicles_8]

@@michaelwells7348because flying is becoming more expensive now

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@michaelwells7348 So we can’t catch with advanced Technology just Planes & Cars

[@michaelwells7348]

@@JermaniBurroughs No do as U want ~ Im just wondering - How many people will You have to Transport a day, Before it is Economically feasible ( ie ) the Government doesn’t have to pay to keep it Running like Amtrak... Cuz if it can’t even pay for itself then it just becomes another Expensive Toy Doen’t it ....

[@slimshady6359]

Well I must be dreaming then cuz I I was in San Francisco less than 2 hours ago and now I'm in Long Beach California... Southwest ™️ Dreams Realize

[@user-kn9lp7kp9v]

American infrastructure spending is completely out of control. It needs to be assessed why and how the prices are multitudes higher then comparable like Europe and Asia. Yes, there is higher wages likely in these areas but there has to be surmountable waste as well to get these types of numbers for costs and this is why transit and infrastructure doesn't get built effectively.

[@VieleGuteFahrer]

Look up Stuttgart 21, Berlin‘s airport, or the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg. Those are just a few examples from Germany.

[@ajs11201]

Asia? As in China? You're either kidding or else you have no idea what actually happens there. Google "Chinese Towers Fall Over" and see how many times this past decade China has built multi-story towers that just happen to topple over within a year or two killing every occupant and anyone nearby who can't get out of the way fast enough. If you don't mind collapses like that, America could probably build on the cheap like the Chinese, but some of us want the investment to last more than a year or two--especially in a city prone to earthquakes like San Francisco.

[@p.ipebomb]

Was waiting for the 'in Europe we do it like this' comment 😂😂

[@user-kn9lp7kp9v]

@@VieleGuteFahrer Oh absolutely, I'm not saying that there are not issues with infrastructure development in Europe. I mean look at Berlins Brandenburg Airport how much of a mess that was. I think the point I was trying to portray is why are the prices in the USA and Canada so significantly over what other places pay. I mean even look at Mexico and their track mileage costs etc. While there are differences in labour, environmental and consulting costs. One has to try and find solutions to skyhigh costs to build these projects. Otherwise the ability to do these projects are inhibited.

[@aaronmiranda1023]

A huge part is the hoops you need to jump through and all the environmental impact reports you need to file for federal funding and CEQA (California environmental quality act)

[@gnaflethegarthok3074]

That would be amazing

[@bfrancis9898]

We used to create new towns. Now it’s a struggle to build anything more than a treehouse in existing ones. Previous generations built the national parks and interstate highways without computers or cell phones. What the hell?! 🤷🏼‍♂️ Public transportation infrastructure is desperately needed. Unfortunately lazy newsreaders will amplify only the opposition so expect costly delays.

[@chasingsunsets87]

We need more trains coming from Morgan Hill

[@TohaBgood2]

There used to be but they widened the highway and the ridership dropped. Now the highway is full again so it's probably time for Caltrain to think about increasing the number of trains south of Gilroy in a couple of years when the remnants of the pandemic work from home is fully behind us.

[@Seawiz21]

They really do, there needs to be several fast options between the southern county and SJ. There is plans for improvement to bring the capital corridor to Salinas.

[@leehaber]

A tunnel this short should not cost $8 Billion.

[@unigonfilms99]

It'll probably cost $16 Billion before they're done!😀

[@benedictuswinner3995]

its sf

[@GEREIKAT]

It's an extra wide three track tunnel for extra tall double decker trains under the densest neighborhood west of Manhattan.

[@trevorthefoamer220]

When it comes to tunnel boring rail tunnels, 8 billion sounds like a steal

[@jeffdsfo]

I wrote the powers that be years ago about the price tag. At the time, they said it included the whole electrification project. Ie., too bad a tbm company cant independently check the price. The central subway tbm cost was about 350 million.

[@osmanhossain676]

Yes and yeah of course California High-Speed Rail in California.😮

[@Positivitypapi]

We need this BAD

[@michaelwells7348]

Need What ? an Underground Existing Train Station .... I don’t think any of U people Understand what they are Trying to Accomplish ~ Its not “high speed Rail” its digging a tunnel so Cal train can go under ground for the last 2 miles.... Into an Office Zone that is 40% Vacant .... There is more going on @ the Ball Park Neighborhoods these days where the Train station currently resides then Down town..

[@JermaniBurroughs]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@michaelwells7348NYC has a lot of Building Vacant but There are Subway all over the City. & Have you heard that Regional Rail Can Fit into a BART or Muni Tunnel under market St.

[@TheLIRRFrenchie...]

Get Er Doneeeeeeeeee

[@osmanhossain676]

I always want California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love California High-Speed Rail in California.😮

[@gabeabatecola5137]

The legend himself

[@dpro34s]

I can really only see this being useful if the CA High Speed Rail actually gets built. Key word: *actually* I hope they figure it out because the cost of flying between SF and LA can get quite expensive.

[@georgobergfell]

See this as another step to get cahsr actually built (need to stay optimistic)

[@kurtthewurt]

To be totally honest I don't expect a (hypothetical) HSR ticket to LA to be much, if at all, cheaper than a budget plane ticket, but it should be way more convenient. Even in Japan, Shinkansen tickets aren't cheap, but the benefit is you don't have to go to the airport.

[@dpro34s]

@@kurtthewurt that's likely true, but I would hope that the train is miles more comfortable than any Spirit or Frontier flight.

[@cutieteal]

CHSR progress has been steady as of recent.

[@arxligion]

Okay great now can we get something on geary

[@JermaniBurroughs]

Y’all getting BRT (Bus Rapid Transit)

[@p.ipebomb]

I still don't get why the Bay area is split into numerous small counties, just make it ONE BIG COUNTY??? 😂

[@gabrielchow1994]

Originally San Mateo County belonged to SF County but they split it up because of politics.

[@ritwikjs]

isn't the ground under salesforce tower unstable?

[@Photobuffeddy_AGS]

Man I’ll be mid 50s by the time those train stations open up crazy or about late 40s . Oh dear 😅

[@coleallen3895]

Why have the tunnel zig-zag? They can dig along 7th street, then make one curve north between Harrison and Howard, enabling for a faster run (fewer curves, faster trip)

[@danielcarroll3358]

Deep building foundations.

[@stevens1041]

This was supposed to be finished by now, and they haven't even started. It will make a huge difference by multiplying the effectiveness of Caltrain, which is already built-out and ready to go.

[@lukasegeling5205]

Caltrain's new bilevels are Stadler KISS, but the renders in this video clearly show the Siemens Desiro DD, which is run only by the Zürich S-Bahn as the RABe 514. I'm pointing this out as someone in the Zürich area, where I commonly use the RABe 514 and local variants of Stadler KISS.

[@Markthomas007_]

The renders were made years ago now. I forgot when but they haven't made any new ones in a while. If I remember correctly it was made before they settled on the new Stadler trains and are the only ones the news has to use. I think they probably should make some new renders at some point since it's been a while.

[@aaronburt6582]

Let’s get building!

[@stevenroshni1228]

You probably want to have a turning radius wide enough for at least 90 mph for the approach (full speed isn't necessary since the train has ro come to a complete stop)

[@beckiverson1531]

it's stupid that they're building the station at salesforce transit center which will have capacity issues insanely fast and not building something like Moynihan train hall in New York in place of Westfield

[@sgt.gruhnn]

50/50 that this ‘project’ will be completed in our lifetimes…

[@ReedmanFL]

$8 billion for a 2 mile Caltrain extension to SF. Means $4 billion per mile. With Salesforce terminal already built. $12 billion for a 6 mile BART extension to SJ. Means $2 billion per mile. Sounds like the BART extension is a lot better managed.

[@pbworld7858]

I look forward to the completion of the Californian HSR. Next century.

[@TheUniquetheory]

Completion date 2098

[@Matt-ne6de]

i dont like paying for the 30 or 45 bus or the T or very slow N train but the $2.50 is a bit more manageable. im sure the money could be better used to improve other train services. They just purchased a boring machine for bart to san jose i bet with a few billion it cud be used to make extra bart lines around the city. I feel like the caltrain wont fit through a bart sized tunnel because of third rail vs overhead power. a circular bart or muni metro loop around the city would be a dream come true for half the city. Caltrain to salesforce center will save some people 5 minutes to find a bus or train and 7 minutes riding the bus. If they take the N train well maybe 20 mins.

[@Urbanhandyman]

There is ZERO chance of it being completed by 2032. 2045 is realistic with 2050 the most probable. It is a sad state of affairs.

[@meismax]

We'll all be dead by the time this project is done.

[@Mike__B]

Based on following the street I assume the plan is to rip up all the streets and back fill as opposed to using tunnel boring machines? I mean don't they still have the ones from when they did the T-line tunnel?

[@johnclement5903]

No, because the TBMs tend to meet in the middle and become abandoned in place.

[@leunam3434]

They sent $60 billion to Ukraine. The Federal government has billions available for Caltrain.

[@tikimandude112]

russian bot in the chat

[@kaliboyred69]

@@tikimandude112I mean…it’s the truth, though. The Federal government has billions of dollars for other countries but not $8 billion to build this? We’ve given Israel a quarter of a trillion dollars since WWII, and yet most American cities have crumbling infrastructure.

[@gamerfan8445]

Mind the aid is coming out of the defense budget. Which is 15% of the US budget. That does not mention that the money will be spent in the US.​@kaliboyred69

[@p.ipebomb]

​@@tikimandude112 Dog, more and more people want less money to Ukraine AND Israel. Stop playing 😂

[@michaelwells7348]

Thing is .... I bought they will EVER finish the High speed rail.... and then, what if it is insolvent like Amtrak ?... dont’ get me wrong ~ I am pro Construciton .. I work in Unions ~ I just think its. gonna be an Expensive toy .. that the Government is going to have to Finance FOREVER ... cuz it will NEVER be able to pay for itself....

[@christopherbuckley94]

It will be a miracle if it gets completed for the $8 Billion after all is said and done!

[@TCOphox]

Finally. Californian SBB

[@NotSoGoldenAfterAll]

8 years for how many miles???

[@meismax]

2032 estimated completion? Yeah right, I bet they won't even start construction until 2035. Ridiculous it cost $8 billion and 8 years to build 2 miles of tunnel. In China this would cost less than 2 hundred million and would be done in 2 months.

[@johnclement5903]

And only at the cost of 2000 lives due to non-existent safety standards. But, hey, everyone's expendable to the Communist Party!

[@lalakerspro]

China uses slaves to build most of their projects

[@707Southpaw]

Don't let Bart touch any of the funds ...

[@Acehitman369]

If we stop sending our money overseas, we will have some money for these projects

[@gamerfan8445]

Let cut spending towards the wall.

[@Acehitman369]

@@gamerfan8445 they already did 😆

[@gamerfan8445]

@@Acehitman369 👍

[@NithinJune]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@dianethulin1700]

The reporter has an obligation to explain the funding for this project rather than take the word of people on the street

[@JudithKraftowitz]

Hopefully it can withstand a 10.0 scale earthquake.

[@philiphamner9809]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@karlkoehler341]

4th and King is such a dreadful end-of-line for Caltrain. Nobody actually wants to go there. The DTX should have been started ages ago.

[@FA-Q20-1]

So in other words more money that’s gonna disappear and nothing is gonna get built

[@barbarakilpatrick3859]

2:29😷

[@westcoast9285]

I agree we need trains but without good paying mass MANUFACTURING and production jobs there will be empty trains. People can’t afford childcare, healthcare or rent and 85% of Americans can’t afford a 400$ emergency bill. We have to bring our jobs back to our continent, that way people can even afford such public transit. Also they need to be sure those that don’t live anywhere near these projects in the state don’t pay for them in any way. Regardless I like project we need rail in our state to bring us up to par with every other developed country on earth

[@catlerbatty]

It takes 50 seconds to build a highway in US. And 50 years for public transport.

[@theexcaliburone5933]

Very true

[@UYT7715Flower]

Only SAn Francisco would build train stations in the most expensive, most congested area. And do expect the final cost will be double , triple, quadruple the estimate. Corruption in the best form !

[@JermaniBurroughs]

By your logic there will be only Transit in San Ramon, Livermore & Dublin

[@UYT7715Flower]

@@JermaniBurroughs how about Hunter view, cow palace, candle stick, south SF, etc. if you know any of these place …

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@UYT7715Flower Candlestick is Connect by VTA, South S.F is Connected by Caltrain & BART & Cow Palace is Connect by Caltrain

[@Perich29]

Hope to be alive in 2032

[@cheemengkang2763]

Dont know whether to believe the Americans 😂

[@travelsofmunch1476]

Honestly the Bay Area needs to cut/rethink the San Jose Bart extension and build this. That is an $18 billion hole of a project while this one has statewide importance

[@GEREIKAT]

We need both.

[@travelsofmunch1476]

@@GEREIKAT for $18 Billion tho? BEFORE construction begins? If this goes 20% over budget like the Central Subway did it'll be a $22 Billion dollar project. One of the few transit projects I can't support. Cut the plan from Santa Clara to Diridion, or put half the alignment (or more) above grade, California has many transit projects in desperate need of funding, including CHSR and the burden of the San Jose BART extension will kill them.

[@GEREIKAT]

@@travelsofmunch1476 last estimate was $12 billion. Regardless of price, the Bay Area is the most economically productive region in the world. We pay more in federal taxes per capita than any other region and it’s not even close. We deserve this.

[@travelsofmunch1476]

@@GEREIKAT Oh my bad, a lil above $12 Billion, you're right. Great that the Bay is so productive and your paying so much taxes, but the current way transit projects get funded there simply is not enough money to go around. This is four times Caltrain Electrifications, 6 Central Subways (which is a failure unless it gets extended and if San Jose BART goes through you know the Central Subway will never be able to be funded) CHSR, a second Transbay tube? Not gonna be a possibility in my estimation

[@Andrew-dr3wh]

30 years late like everything else in this state

[@GKP999]

Typical of the state and the US, Inefficient planning.

[@Quirin0]

Eif S-Bahn Züri Zög

[@Midori_Hoshi]

Bitcoin is the solution. Put 3 billion into it today, wait a year and you have 10x the value, and then you have 30 billion you can use to do an amazing job improving public transport.

[@rainbow1021]

That’s great idea. Much easier to ship homelessness to other city😂

[@cheemengkang2763]

Lip Service at Best

[@chuckefunn8624]

Pork barrel politics like people are lining up for that Moscone to Ghirardelli subway 😅

[@GEREIKAT]

ok grampa

[@Da__goat]

Biden gotta do all he can to make sure California votes for him again in November. 🤣🤣 what a joke of a state and president. $4 trillion economy, needs to rely on federal dollars to complete a transit portal

[@slimshady6359]

What kind of meat does a liberal vegetarian Love❓ PORK BARREL CHOPS PURE PORK BARREL

[@passatboi]

8 billion for 2 miles. Just insane how expensive it’s become. Meanwhile they built the BART/Muni tunnel under most of SF from 24th all the way to the Embarcadero for what - millions?

[@JermaniBurroughs]

What about the people who live in San Mateo County & Sillicon Valley that wanted to go to S.F

[@miguelangelrodriguez8999]

Take Bart from Millbrae to the city. Love wasting money

[@JermaniBurroughs]

As if BART is safe

[@miguelangelrodriguez8999]

@@JermaniBurroughs​​⁠as if Caltrain is safe

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@miguelangelrodriguez8999 Caltrain is far more safe than BART & Once this is Built it’ll Take you directly into Downtown S.F

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@miguelangelrodriguez8999 Caltrain is Far Safer than BART & it takes you directly into Downtown S.F.

[@miguelangelrodriguez8999]

@@JermaniBurroughs then use the billions from building a tunnel to make Bart safer.

[@UYT7715Flower]

Can you image try to find a parking in that area? And how dangerous that area is at evening…

[@danieljk826]

Why are you looking for parking if we're talking about a train station?

[@jonw999999]

Yes. Exactly, hence building a train extension here.

[@rb810810]

"no one goes there, there's no parking"

[@danieljk826]

@@rb810810 the quote you're misquoting is "no one drives in New York, there's too much traffic. There are, in fact, ways to get to downtown SF without parking. For example, taking a train.

[@-Katastrophe]

Yall still dealing with brown stuff and needles on the streets?

[@atumra7285]

Lol noone visits sf anymore. Business has left already

[@AuroraBoarder1]

The homeless junkies will ruin it anyway.

[@aeromtb2468]

stop the train ton nowhere. but will this extension will make transit profitable?

[@justanormalpokemon4014]

Transit doesn’t need to be profitable tho, it just needs to be reliable. Having the line extend to the city center would probably help the many commuters who use the line to get to work

[@Redzwan]

Why does public transit have to be profitable?.

[@emiliocarver2061]

Transit has never been profitable. Even airlines have razor thin margins, and cars make people either go into massive debt or spend massive amounts of money. Not to mention all the supporting infrastructure for cars to operate, it’s a money pit. But it’s worth it, we just need to be smart about it all

[@theexcaliburone5933]

The only way to make transit profitable (which I support) is to stop federal funding of roads and airlines, and to allow the most efficient way of moving people (trains) once again become the default. Pollution taxes should also implemented against all forms of transit, which would also give transit the advantage it obviously should have.

[@tungtung8378]

Where and who are you getting the resources of the rail expansion? China?

[@TohaBgood2]

The Bay Area is insanely rich as the 17th largest economy in the world. California is now about to pass Japan for 4th largest economy in the world. The money is there. We just need to build it.

[@minhaoxue]

@@TohaBgood2 LOL, CA is broke has has a $28 Billion dollar deficit this year alone. Old GAV is slashing budgets left and right. SF is a welfare city. Keep dreaming dude,

[@stevenhuynh17]

not worth it. Just transfer via the newly built central subway to get to union sq/chinatown and walk. Save those funds for other HSR projects around the country (LA-Las Vegas, Texas Central, Northwest Corridor, etc.)

[@JermaniBurroughs]

So then what if you live in Vistacion Valley but work in Salesforce. You have to take Caltrain to 4th - King Transfer to the N To Embarcadero Station then walk To Salesforce TC but with the DTX you can get to Downtown S.F in less than 15 Minutes of the 40 Minutes. & This is Having CAHSR train run to Salesforce TC

[@stevenhuynh17]

@@JermaniBurroughs imo, still not worth it. those people can get their steps in. if we need money to tunnel in gilroy and the grapevine, I rather get those done first before tunneling in SF. The needs of the many outweigh the few

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@stevenhuynh17 You can do both. We spent Half a Trillion Dollars to Change our cites into Car-Based Infrastructure. & You need to Electrify & Either Add High Level Platforms to 4th - King or just do the DTX. Because how are you gonna Operate an Electrified HSR without no Catenary.

[@lalakerspro]

@@JermaniBurroughs CAHSR can just go to 4th and king

[@JermaniBurroughs]

@@lalakerspro With Low Level Platforms no

[@user-hr1rh4nl6k]

A billion a year for homeless outsiders including illegals . Outsiders meaning non-san francisco borns consuming san francisco taxpeayer dollars

[@Patel2Go]

FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 😤😤😤😤😤😤

[@user-ch2fm6kr6j]

The usa cannot have a wepon of mass destruction and the train qualifies for just such a thing. The city county state has also been sanctioned and convicted of crimes federal crimes military crimes international crimes etc and can not manage or receive miney or credit from the banks or federal government or posses rights over the trains or anything else. When a state and city county get sanctioned and convicted they are not actually a government anymore and now theyer is only federal government etc.

[@JermaniBurroughs]

Cry about it.

[@TheRandCrews]

what the fuck are you talking about

[@jamesparson]

You are missing a comma.

[@user-ch2fm6kr6j]

Government isnt supposed to be like a bad business and a horror show with the extra few inhumane price tags and sadistic masochistic anti capitalism and anti constitutional fuadalism and insane and criminal priced items. Bad investment.

[@JermaniBurroughs]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5S0XpeLaJ2Nj9U

[@Urbanhandyman]

Government subsidized electric cars for every household. It's the only way.

[@user-ch2fm6kr6j]

The caltrain is in the way and infact it goes nowhere and it goes nowhere really slow.

[@TohaBgood2]

What are you talking about? Caltrain goes from SF, the second largest city in the Bay, to San Jose, the largest city in the Bay. And it continues all the way down to Gilroy and soon Salinas in Monterey country to connect to the new rail lines that Monterey and Santa Cruz are building. It literally covers one of the richest and most economically productive regions in the whole world!

[@jamesparson]

@@TohaBgood2But does it go to Baker, CA?

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

Um Caltrain is the 7th Busiest Commuter Railroad in the US and the busiest west of Chicago

[@TohaBgood2]

@@jamesparson Lol, I've actually been to Baker once. Well, we stopped for gas in the middle of the night after we "took a shortcut" through Mojave on our way from Vegas to LA. 😁😁😁 We thanked our stars when we saw the lights in the distance. I legitimately thought that we were lost up to that point.

[@StefanWithTrains3222]

Caltrain is also upgrading service this fall in conjunction with electrification. The peak service will be 15-minute headways and off-peak 30-minute headways. The new local trains will take 25 minutes less to travel between SF-SJ. They will also be really quiet, like no sound when standing still because they are electric. Also, the local trains will from now on stop at every station.

[@crabkilla]

What a waste of money. A train will not fix the mismanagement of the city

[@HigherQualityUploads]

Nor will a new road. Yet people will always need fast and efficient transportation.

[@crabkilla]

@@HigherQualityUploads Go to SF. NO ONE is there and it is not because of transportation LOL

[@user-ch2fm6kr6j]

Waste

[@JermaniBurroughs]

You want the embarcadero back.

[@TohaBgood2]

Lol, in what universe is this a waste?

[@waynecampbell9426]

You know what's a waste? The $12,000+ that Americans spend on their car every year (according to AAA, who should know).

[@benedictuswinner3995]

ur mom is a waste ur life is a waste

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

It would be better if it included a loop to turn trains around in motion that way they can run more trains through the station

[@michaelwells7348]

~ Don't hold Ur Breath ...... I think it took them 3 times as long and Double the Budget to dig the last Tunnel over to China Town

[@michaelwells7348]

~ Didn’t we just Vote on More Money to save Caltrain .... Cuz it is insolvent ?? and now they want to build a $5 Billion Dollar Tunnel to Bring it Downtown ?? Go for it ...They want to build housing on the Existing Rail lot any hoo....

[@TohaBgood2]

That was to cover the pandemic losses. Ridership is growing again.

[@gabrielmataleo4573]

America has built housing in conjunction with the railroad extension for century

[@StefanWithTrains3222]

They are also upping service and making it load faster with electrification this fall.

[@michaelwells7348]

@@gabrielmataleo4573 Whats ur point ??

[@michaelwells7348]

@@TohaBgood2 To what level ?? we all know that 40% of the Offices are Vacant down town... and Tourists don’t ride Cal Tran. I’ll bet U have some MAGA alternate facts for us....

[@michaelwells7348]

~ We Only Need another ( 2-3) Billion Dollars to dig that Hole ......And Sf Ca is Only ( $237 Million in the RED ) So we Only Need ( $237 million + $2.5 Billion ) to dig a Hole to bring a Train another mile downtown......To a Transit Center that is a Ghost Town .... Seems like a Fantastic Idea...