​​Dozens of Dead Tiger Tanks at Prokhorovka? - Prokhorovka Part 6

[@WorldWarTwo]

We really enjoyed producing this miniseries for you! What did you think and what would you like to see us cover next?

[@bergssprangare]

The Warsaw uprisings.If every occupied city did the same the Germans would lose the war in 2 years..A story of enormous bravery, cruelty , deceit and betrayal

[@Peter-ri9ie]

This was superb. I really enjoyed every episode and think that the format is excellent for deep-dives such as this one, especially since the battle was only a few days. There are many other events or battles for this kind of mini-story. Take one of the beaches on D-day, one of the lesser known, eg with the British or Canadians, the second battle of Kharkov, Dieppe, Kasserine, a particular convoy fighting against a wolfpack, the raid on … was it St Nazaire? Take a snapshot of a particular unit at a particular time; like the first special forces LRDG, US rangers, the German, Italian or Soviet equivalents, or a nameless infantry division somewhere on the enormous eastern front and so on. Unfortunately I’m not as good at the pacific theatre but, hey, do some deep-dives there, then I’ll learn more.

[@weasel20817]

Have you all done Stalingrad yet? I would think that has a ton of information to dive into...

[@matthisbonnet5951]

Maybe a naval battle ? I don’t really know which one would be more relevant: Midway, Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, Leyte ?

[@stefan_pint]

Wow, those miniseries are great! I can't wait for another one. It would be very interesting for us if you would cover in detail the situation in Romania during the war and especially in august 1944.

[@extrahistory8956]

Glad you guys demystified this battle. People tend to ignore that the Soviet counterattacks around the Opel salient and the Mius Operation would have made any further German attempts to take Kursk as useless, but they also tend to be unaware that the Soviets could have simply gotten similar results with their anti-tank artillery

[@tihomirrasperic]

the Russians probably counted every hit on a German tank, but at a distance of more than 1 km, that's not enough to destroy a German tank So the Tiger could have received 20 shells and still moved, and the Russians counted them as hits ** and speaking of "cooking" the books, it wasn't just Rotmistrov's head that was on a platter. Vatutin, Khrushchev as front commanders, and Vasilevsky as a representative of the Supreme Command were also responsible for losses and mistakes in operations, because they were supposed to "prevent" it And we all know it wasn't good to anger Stalin

[@shazbaggle8268]

I would like to see a more in depth discussion of Bill Slim's Fourteenth Army. Their assemblage, training, and implication of the lessons learned through previous interactions with the Japanese in jungle warfare. I personally feel Bill Slim is one of the truly great commanders that doesnt seem to come up in discussions of the best generals of the war.

[@selimcelik3494]

This was an excellent series. It makes sense to me to continue debunking common misconceptions on how certain battles played out. It would probably be smart to do ones that are more famous for the channels performance. How about the breakthrough at Sedan next?

[@theapostatejack8648]

A dive into one of the operations that doesn't get the limelight would be good. Dragoon, for example.

[@RAD1111able]

Or Cartwheel

[@probusthrax]

Enjoyed the battle of Prokhorovka. I would love to see the Battle of Brody, a very large tank battle early in the war.

[@carminio79]

The Battle of Brody was actually the largest tank battle

[@nefasto11a]

Congratulations Time Ghost crew on making this Prokhorovka mini series a complete reality to viewers like myself. I look forward to dive onto the next mini series yuou may be cooking with great enthusiasm AND it is my hope that a future mini series about the battle of Arras or the Battle of Kerch (Operation Trappenjagd) Or the second battle of Targus Frumos (Tiger 1s vs IS1s WOOO) may be in the cards. Stay safe and EXCELSIOR!

[@65bravo]

"Battle of the Bulge" would be much appreciated ....

[@cutekrizu8214]

This miniseries was a great watch! It'd be interesting to see more such miniseries about some of the minor (or generally less known) Axis powers, such as Finland, Italy, Romania, etc, or about resistance actions such as the Battle of Vercors, or the Italian resistance/civil war; or a documentary about the Warsaw uprising, or the warsaw ghetto uprising come to think of it, there's so many good ideas to take.

[@jasonmussett2129]

This has been an excellent series. In my MA dissertation I argued that Soviet estimates of German losses were over exaggerated

[@tomaspettersson6119]

Brilliant mini, guys. Loved it!

[@GoodEggGuy]

Fantastic work as always, but more so this time. Really feels like the team just gets better and better. Battle of the Bulge deep dive next please!

[@TCK71]

Excellent series.

[@PCB888]

Please do Market Garden as a miniseries!

[@richardsloan3982]

Brilliant series thank you

[@staffancallert]

The battle was a tactical win but a strategic loss for Germany. That Nazi Germany lost the battle was for the same reason that they lost the entire war. The adversary's resources were overwhelming. Operation Citadelle started 5 July started the invasion of Italy. Operation Husky started on July 9. There was no connection to both fight in Italy and carry out a strategic offensive in Russia.

[@ZoSoPage1977]

Awesome video and great work!

[@ati847]

Exaggeration was a natural thing in the Soviet Union. It was a planned economy. Even in peacetime every county, every village in the counties down to individual farmers had to produce a pre-determined quota of goods. If the quota wasn’t reached the individual faced punishment. In reality the real production rarely met the quotas. So, everybody lied. Thousands of tons of produced crops existed only in papers. If the society work that way in peacetime, it was natural that the military does the same.

[@shawnr771]

Thank you for the lesson.

[@edmartin9397]

Great presentation of this confusing and confounding battle and results.

[@Kubinda12345]

If Prokhorovka wasn't the biggest tank battle in history then what was?

[@JaimeWulf]

I believe as he stated that battles are never only with tanks... There are always supporting units of various types... An Air Battle might be the only kind that involves all aircraft, but even then, there is probably a mix of various types involved. As well as possible ground AA units... But as to the total numbers involved reported more accurately we should look to "Desert Storm" most likely...

[@thelawenforcer001]

potentially Dubno-Brody at the start of Barbarossa - it was a very one sided affair, but in principle the numbers of tanks involved was extremely high.

[@user-vg6gu8hl8m]

As just stated, it was Dubno/Brody in the opening days of Barbarossa. Wikipedia has decent coverage of it. I believe that David Glantz was the historian to identify that this was the largest tank battle. Most of the German units that participated were later destroyed in Stalingrad, so the lack of survivors meant that the battle didn’t initially get the level of understanding of other major battles.

[@kevin-su2yi]

Probably when the Jews and Arabs went at it in the 60's I believe. If I remember the Arabs used german stuff, and the Jews had some Sherman's. Look it up. It's a corker!!😂

[@chrisk1208]

And define battle. The combat actions between different brigades, regiments and battalions took place over many square kilometers, during multiple days. From when to when and at which geographic location/area was 'the battle'. What do you count? Only tanks? What is a tank? Is a panzer kampfwagen I or a Panzer Kampfwagen II also a tank? Or are those armored fighting vehicles? Is a self propelled anti-tank gun like the Ferdinant a tank? Or maybe you should count armored fighting vehicles? But is an armored half track with only a light machine gun a fighting vehicle? Or is it an armored personnel carrier meant to just transport troops as a battlefield taxi? I believe that in the opening weeks of Barbarossa there were combat actions which included many more armored vehicles and tanks, but most were Soviet built light tanks and armored cars. Only a few T-34 or KV's. The same on the German side which had large numbers of Pz I and Pz II.

[@briangarvey6895]

Enjoyed this detailed breakdown a lot. Would love to see a similar Time Ghost rendition of other major fights.

[@stuweiss-zi9rc]

“The man who saw everything twice”. Catch 22 is a deep well that we can draw from over and over.

[@farenellvideos]

It can be quite confusing to the ayman. I appreciate you trying to parse out what the losses were & what people say they were.

[@ivvan497]

Loved the mini-series. I hope you go through other such famous (or not so famous) battles which appear large at first glance but are quite small in reality, also preferably with some on-site footage. Maybe impossible now in russia but on EU countries it should be possible.

[@andrewsoboeiro6979]

"Was he seeing double?" No, that's Davout

[@andrewpickering8160]

Brilliant perspective

[@AlbertComelles1970]

Thank you so much! What a fantastic and well documented explanation!

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

Many did forget one thing....In Prokhorovka , the force on the town was the 9 Division of the VDV, the soviet paratroopers...

[@SeriousPoo]

FANTASTIC mini series! Thank you so much.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you so much for the lovely comment! We want to do more plenty like this so stay tuned for more.

[@kwwiedenfeld]

I don't know if you have done this already, but the battle of the Atlantic is a pretty ignored field of great significance. It would be interesting to see something in detail.

[@Hendricus56]

During the course of this series I really wondered how the hell the Germans managed to lose the battle, considering they held good positions and it were the Soviets who lost tons of troops. Well, now I know

[@vallergergo737]

I would very much find it interesting if you guys covered the "Hube pocket" i.e. the encirclement of the 1st Panzer Armee north of the Carpathians, that became a moving amoeba and managed to fight its way out

[@scientiaaclabore3362]

The Wikipedia page of this battle (Kamenets-Podolsky Pocket), particularly the chapter about the army's debilitated condition after the breakout, is very detailed and based primarily on the German primary sources. Also, the 1. Panzerarmee did not "fight its way out" alone. For the relief of this army, a significant relief force was brought in from France and Hungary. Hitler allowed the transfer of the HQ of the II. SS-Panzerkorps, together with the 9. SS-Panzer-Division Hohenstaufen and 10. SS-Panzer-Division Frunsberg, from France to the East, which were originally intended to be used against the Allied landings. Plus, the 100. Jäger-Division and 367. Infanterie-Division arrived from Hungary to serve on the flanks. It was designated as the ‘Hauser Attack Group’. It also included the schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506, refitted with 45 Tigers, attached to the 100. Jäger-Division.

[@Boki10]

Will you do a series or two on the Yugoslav resistance front?

[@kden9772]

I’ve been watching since the WWI series and I think these mini series are great. I had no idea there was such a dispute about Kursk but now it makes so much sense. Usually an army on the offensive doesn’t suffer so many casualties, when the defenders are given such a crushing blow (losing 300 tanks in two days). The logical conclusion being the Soviets were untruthful in their summary of events

[@CruelDwarf]

What is important to understand about German tank/AFV losses during Citadel/Kursk battle and Prokhorovka specifically is that a lot of German 'irrecoverable' losses were delayed there. Because they indeed 'recovered' a bunch of tanks damaged during the fighting back to the rear sorting/repair stations with full intent of either restoring them locally or sending them back to Germany for full rehauls. But these sorting stations were overrun or abandoned few weeks later as Soviet offensives progressed. It is why Germans had quite serious spike in AFV losses in August that cannot be explained by active fighting in the sector (as a bunch of panzer divisions were already withdrawn), but they simply had to write off a whole bunch of damaged armor that they were unable to evacuate in front of advancing Soviets. And some of that armor was damaged (sometimes seriously) at Prokhorovka. Of course, it doesn't even in theory can match exaggerated claims by Rotmistrov and Soviets overall. But this number is definitely not 20 and probably much larger than 50. In this way Soviet armor losses are actually much easier to track and estimate than German ones. Soviet loss accounting was relatively straightforward - tank that was damaged enough so it was impossible to repair it locally was always written off as a 'loss' even if this tank was eventually brought back to the factory or major repair facility and restored. Germans didn't count such tanks as 'losses'. Soviets did.

[@guillaumedeschamps1087]

I am terrible, to have missed the Premiere. It was a good series!

[@WorldWarTwo]

Well, we will have plenty more premiere's in the future! And plenty more series like this one. See you next time.

[@gamedude412]

"We killed every german tank made"- Russian tanker, his officer, his general. German Istaffel numbers are fairly accurate if you can find them for specific times. German tank had an odd system Tanks send for depot repair were keep on unit list but werent availible and couldn't be replaced leading to more "losses" to gain replacement issued from HZA. 3ss could have had losses burn out or pens on the "No loss" day but they wouldnt be crossed off as losses til the depot level I-staffel writes them off. Its a odd quirk of recovery and the depot repair system

[@angelomigueldedios1697]

Can you do a mini series on the Bataan defence in the PH?

[@jefrysax]

I think that it would be more appropriate to call the whole Kursk defensive operation "a Russian success" . The updated tactics, the 4000 km of trenches, the disciplined behavior of the troops. We must not forget that at that time the majority of Russian armor was T34-76, which was totally inferior to almost all new German armor, The Kursk defensive operation reached its tactical and strategic goals in very very difficult conditions. Many historians when analyze the battle mention the overall number of troops for both sides, and yes the Russian were 2 or 3 times more, but the were spread at hundreds of kilometers front, while the Germans attacked in concentrated formation with huge numerical advantage on the sector the attack.

[@Funnycatsthings]

I would like to recommend you to start a series on Napoleon Bonaparte and his military adventures It would be great listening to you 😊

[@j.4332]

Will the northern front Models 9th army attack be dissected too,the fate of the Ferdinands and Panthers would be interesting.

[@kemarisite]

7:45 anyone wanting a good lesson this should look up Perun's video on how lies destroy armies. He specifically gets into a major cultural concept, rendered as "vranyo" in English, which is a culture of lies in which every just accepts the lies and runs with them because it easier than facing the truth.

[@GeorgeSemel]

Well, I sure learned a few things that I didn't know. Prokhorovka was this great, crushing victory of the Soviets over the Germans. At least, that is how it was written in the Soviet Era. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, people had access to archives for a time, and things started to change. Prokhorovka seems more like a pyrrhic victory for the Soviets. The battle is very telling in how they conducted the war and how they are conducting the war they are going on with Ukriane. They seem to have just one playbook: keep throwing machines and people till the enemy runs out of machines and people or Mother Russia does. They are by far an odd bunch. I do feel for them since they are a very abused lot, and the abuse is institutionalized going back centuries. Most Armies will learn from their mistakes and study the history of warfare to not make costly mistakes, not that the Germans didn't make a bunch of them in WW-II they did, and what was really criminal is that they knew they were making the mistakes and could do nothing about it. It's something about dictators that are ruthless in crushing all thoughts other than what they want to hear. This was a well-presented history of one of the great battles of WW II. Like in the present day, it was a godawful mess.

[@kban77]

Can you do a mini series on the winter war?

[@timothydoyle6859]

Indy notes that the Soviets were more likely than the Germans to write-off a damaged tank as destroyed rather than try to repair it and suggests that this may be because they were producing new tanks at such a high rate. Let me offer another possible reason. That reason is that this is a mental state of people who live in communist countries. Meaning when everything is collectively owned, people lose a sense of ownership. I recall a story told to me by a Russian who said in the days of the Soviet Union you could drive down a highway and on the side see rusting construction equipment left there by the government-owned company that built the highway.

[@larrykapp3409]

Thanks

[@kevin-su2yi]

Tanks man😊

[@WorldWarTwo]

Tanks for watching!

[@CODRD]

After this series, it feels like Prokhorovka would've been confined to a footnote of history if it wasn't for Vasilevsky, Rotmistrov and co.

[@indianajones4321]

Alright part 6 here we go

[@j.4332]

Surely its a terrible way to run a war?To have all your commanders feel they have to lie to you so they dont get shot.I would insist upon the most unpalatable truths about my forces,in order to improve them.

[@billkunert7281]

Was Rotmistrov a secret fan of Himmler? Looks very much like him.

[@eric-wb7gj]

ty 🙏🙏

[@FW190A8UW]

Ah, russian history telling....

[@TheUltimateTroll9]

What WAS the death ride of the panzers?

[@greg1769]

The Germans still failed to achieve their man objective at kursk . Whether Germans lost 1 or 100 tanks doesn't really matter because the Great Wehrmacht was stopped by the Russians. I hope Indy you do a video of the followup Russian Offensive after the German defeat at Kursk whereby the Great German Field Marshall Manstien loses Kharkov to the Russian for the final time The Russians have the initiative on the Eastern Front until the fall of Berlin.

[@pabloarevalo5630]

my brother, this channel covers the ENTIRE war start to finish, look up "ww2 week by week the battle of kursk" and you'll find what you're looking for

[@kudukilla]

Many time a Panzer IV with the skirt armor around was mistaken for a Tiger. That could lead to some accounting errors.

[@outlet6989]

Maybe the Russian general's reporting of enemy losses inspired the TV show Spin City.

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Wonderful historical coverage video about Porovoka battles...if it was not necessarily counterassault of Soviets in the meantime within kursk operation, it was not necessarily citadel operations launching of Germans because German catastrophic in Stalingrad obviously showed Germans expanded project in the east front crushed totally . But Adolf Hitler insisted on going on his arrogant .

[@littlebigfish9205]

The reds are still faking up their killscores to this day...

[@tripsaplenty1227]

Why were soviet losses so much higher than the Germans in this battle considering John Cairncross gave the soviets the German battleplan?

[@leivabernie]

If not here, what other battle had loss of the Tigers then? They had to be neutralized in numbers somewhere in the Eastern front, correct?

[@eamonreidy9534]

The German army lost many of these resources in the sudden retreats they were forced to perform over the next few years

[@stephend50]

Looking at today in Ukraine, Russian tactics haven't changed and this puts the massive Russian losses in perspective

[@larryfoulke1596]

Honestly i really want you to cover battle of midway with very through action report I would really appreciate it if gou cover them

[@WorldWarTwo]

Whilst we didn't have a mini-series on it, we did have a two-parter for the battle of midway spanning about 40 minutes here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXa6pJh5nbJ6rbM

[@larryfoulke1596]

@WorldWarTwo oh damn it ,I forgot there that too,sorry,I would rewatch it again along with pearl harbor Thanks btw

[@PxThucydides]

Been reading about this for a long time, and yes the German records are very convincing. But if the Germans were suffering virtually no losses and erasing whole divisions of Russian tanks- hundreds of them - why did they stop? Why did they retreat? If their tanks were invulnerable how did they lose?

[@extrahistory8956]

He already explained. The Germans had struggled to breach Soviet defense lines brissingly with anti-tank artillery. The Germans were experiencing two simultanous counterattacks around the Opel salient and the Mius Operation, so they had to focus much more around those areas from July 13th onwards and couldn't give Prohkovrovka their full attention any more. Even if the Germans could take Prohkovrovka, they still had to deal with 3 other defense lines and with 4 more reserve armies in the Steppe Front

[@user-cp1jg5ut3t]

My flowchart looks like this: Is Russia Speaking? -Yes! - Russia is lying. -No? - Russia is thinking of a lie.

[@bf61marc35]

The southern front of Kursk and Prokhorovka gets all the history and publicity but what about the northern front? The Soviets were more successful stopping the Germans there earlier on. Maybe because it didn't involve the now mythified clash of 2nd SS Panzer Corps vs 5th Guards Tank Army. Can we get a mini series on the northern front around Ponyri?

[@daviddura1172]

I realize you guys prefer LAND battles But Leyte Gulf Especially Taffy 3 And Halsey’ s decision to go after Ozawa

[@JóhannesJónsson-h9i]

Interesting

[@Sierra026]

So at best, the Soviets managed to eke out a Pyrrhic victory... by default. Especially since the invasion of Sicily and later Italy forced the Germans to pull some of hair forces from the Eastern Front to respond to the developing crisis. Very convenient, then, for Soviet Generals on the field, eh?

[@extrahistory8956]

Well that and the Soviet counterattacks around Opel and Operation Miue certaintly helped

[@johnmccann5725]

The Battle of Kursk was a Soviet victory. They planned to stop the German pincer attack and then make a huge counter attack of their own. That is what happened. Over stating the success of one action within the overall battle does not change that. This was the last Axis strategic offensive on the Eastern front and it was defeated. This series has certainly changed my understanding of the battle. Well done Indy and team.

[@robertmills8640]

It doesn't surprise me very much that Soviets overclaimed German losses. But it was German practice to understate their losses by only admitting total right offs. Knocked out tanks that could conceivably be repaired at some point(days, weeks or months) were not counted as lost even if unavailable for long periods of time. I think thats one of the reasons why the German kill ratios appear so favorable.🤔

[@HaVoC117X]

You wanna know how much tanks and spg germany lost between 1939 and 1945. All of them, 65.000 tanks and spgs they produced or captured, simply because they lost (Plus 3500 Italien and 3000 Japanese tanks). But russia lost 109.000 tanks and spgs, France around 7000, Poland 1000, the Brits around 16000, the US around 11.000. Overall its still a tank exchange ratio of 1:2.2. Including the thousands of operational tanks which fell in allied hands after VE day. The tank exchange ratio between russia and germany was 1:3.3 during WWII. In 1943 during Kursk it was 1:3.5. The Russians had 25.000 tanks in their arsenal during Kursk, off which only around 10.000 were in front line service. The rest was in reserve or getting repaired or overhauled. Germany had 6500 tanks, 3500 at the eastern front and 1500 in germany (reserve, overhaul, repair, training), the rest was spread over europe.

[@robertmills8640]

@HaVoC117X I was only talking about the admitted German losses, and that their real losses were greater were higher for any particular engagement.

[@HaVoC117X]

@ Germany for the most part had good documentation of their losses. Its quite clear which are operational and which are total losses. The Report of the Panthers at Kursk leaves no room for discussion. Its the Authors fault if they use the wrong numbers.

[@kristianfischer9814]

Prokhorovka was a tactical and strategic Soviet victory. 5th Guards Tank stopped Hausser from getting to Prokhorovka and Zitadelle failed there (I mean, it failed the instant the Soviets decided to fight for the Kursk salient defensively, but whatever). If I had been Pavel Rotmistrov, I would also have lied my backside off to Stalin. Great miniseries. Maybe do Monte Cassino next?

[@arghsonofcliff]

I guess if you're gonna lie about a tank battle you should cover your tracks. Haaa

[@BichaelStevens]

You kept calling Rotmistrov "Root mistrov" and i was confused

[@LaurensPP]

Was this recorded recently or was it recorded back in '43'?

[@cuddlepoo11]

Seems this battle while not small was hardly the titanic battle of lore.

[@LasseHolmstrom]

What about Rzhev.

[@nordlandak6853]

The Soviets were able to contain the German offensive and force a tank on tank battle. This is the opposite of Blitzkreig. It’s attrition warfare that Germany can’t win….

[@jimbrown7082]

How about a miniseries on the battle of the bulge? I would also enjoy one on the Anzio, Italy operations. There are not very many in-depth documentaries on Anzio. My grandfather fought there so it is of greater interest to me.

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thanks for the suggestion, we plan to do more mini-series like this one in the near future. Stay tuned.

[@jk65_jack32]

Why was the Soviet version of the Battle of Prokhorovka so generally accepted by most historians prior to the 1990s? Was it just because they could not check out and verify the claims made by the Soviets, or were there other reasons? Did any Western historians or Soviet dissidents express doubts or skepticism about Soviet claims about the battle prior to the 1990s?

[@mrlodwick]

u rock

[@OuijTube]

This discussion of Soviet over-claiming is really useful when considered with Perun's video about "How Lies Destroy Armies" kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKuYanqNmrl8n80si=92o5XxdMRw0u5XpQ

[@podemosurss8316]

0:17 Him seeing double due to Vodka could be an explanation.

[@91plm]

I love this nerd fest!😂 keep feeding us haha

[@louisgiokas2206]

That statement at the end sounds like something out of Ukraine today.

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

Metal grinder

[@ronniecoleman2342]

Prokharovka was actually a tactical German victory. Had Hitler listened to Manstein on the 14th and continued the attack, the Germans would have at least been able to recover their damaged tanks.

[@NovoFurryhatted]

At least you used honest source for video. Try Guderian dairy next time - it will be even more honest

[@LilRebelYell]

"The fog of war" indeed!

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

Dont under report. It will catch up to you in a variety of uncomfortable ways.

[@jill-ti7oe]

👏👏👏

[@Sabrowsky]

Is this it? Was this the promised smashing of the German Armored corps? Goddamn this stupid number fudging

[@AndrewC.McPherson-xf5zw]

Wise to fear Uncle Joe.

[@marceldevynck7347]

gg

[@vojkankostic1869]

So, all in all - Soviets lost the battle at Prokhorovka? Wow, in 20 years from now there would be people claiming that Hitler won the IIWW in 1945.

[@risikocontrollingmr.1833]

Havy you seen and understood the video? Perhaps you should watch it 😂😊

[@kyrios443]

Well all in all, the soviet won the battle while suffering heavy casualties. This kind of battle highlights the fact that the Germans could never have won against the Soviets.

[@bwarre2884]

So, you think you can't lose any battles and still win a war?

[@NeonNion]

This is part of the reason why history repeats itself. Morons unable to understand history or learn anything from it.

[@vojkankostic1869]

@@risikocontrollingmr.1833 I have seen and understood it. It's just that I don't like politicaly motivated historical revisionism, that's all.

[@bamboosa]

Indy, sir: I'll be "that guy" for a moment, you're young and I forgive you. "Ekspecially" is wrong, "especially" sounds like it is spelled. I love this channel despite spelling and grammar.

[@rddrg18]

But it was a victory for the Soviet forces. They stopped the German advanced. They were more than willing to sacrifice numbers for results

[@viking4476]

Unfortunately, an example of historical revisionism. It was a Soviet victory, because they did not allow the Germans to occupy Prokhorovka. They returned to their starting positions.

[@redbeard5939]

What exactly are you calling revisionism?

[@extrahistory8956]

They don't deny that. The point is that the Soviets could have achieved those same results by simply allowing their static anti-tank artillery defenses to do their intended job rather than start a rushed offensive with the 5th Tank Army

[@FW190A8UW]

@@viking4476 did you even watch the video...