DPE TALK Reveals Checkride SECRETS

[@flyingjeff1984]

My best oral exam advice: Get there early, find the thermostat, and make it uncomfortable. Cuts 30 minutes or more off the oral. YMMV.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Hopefully it will be peak heat wave in my CFI's office. No HVAC in his hanger or plane 😂

[@drewmukaddam24]

make it cold or make it hot? haha

[@GrubbyZebra]

My Oral was a conversation about flying and the flight planned for the checkride. In fact, when the DPE told me it was time to go to the airplane, I actually asked him when we were going to start the oral, and he said "we just finished it". My oral for my A&P was done much the same way. It was so relaxing to just be able to talk about aviation vs feeling like I was being interrogated.

[@EEEEEEE354]

Who was your dpe ?

[@GrubbyZebra]

@@EEEEEEE354 Butch Eads

[@MisterTechnologic]

@@EEEEEEE354if that’s true, you’re either a completely oblivious human being or he did a terrible job administering it 😂

[@manifestgtr]

That’s why I don’t like the “give the shortest possible answer” advice. My initial was a lot like yours…we just yammered about aviation for a while, he asked the questions I knew were probably coming, I had to reference 91.205 at one point to make sure I wasn’t talking out of my ass on an inop AHRS question and when I asked to take a break he said “real quick…what do your flaps do?” I rambled for a minute or two about center of pressure, etc. and he said “that’s the oral, you passed”. It’s a two way street, man…it’s not the gas station interaction from No Country For Old Men

[@glennwatson]

My examiner for my PPL check ride here in Australia was great. When I was talking through the procedures he would say, "that's alright mate you know what you are doing". So puts you more at ease by giving you some confidence you are doing the right thing.

[@unclefester6494]

DITTO!!!!

[@brentjohnson6654]

Fantastic interview! Much thanks to Joey Johnson for coming on the show. I would love to be tested by him or one just like him.

[@montemenasco8584]

I really liked this one!!! So my ppl check ride was in 1986 and in my log book it is correct in saying that my flight time was .3, yes that is right 0.3 hours. I went where my cfi sent me. I was a young college student that wanted to be an airline pilot. When I went to take my instrument ride, I went to a very very stern DPE and she blew a gasket when she saw this. I had the foggles on my head sitting in my hair ready to pull them down over my eyes and do what ever she wanted me to do for the ride. She looked at me in the airplane and said “TAKE THOSE THINGS OFF YOUR HEAD AND GIVE ME A SHORT FIELD TAKEOFF”. We did the entire ppl check ride and then we started the instrument ride. WOW, was I nervous wreck. After we went inside to discuss the ride she said “That was the best instrument ride I have had this year”. Whew!! The worst thing is that students listen to too many rumors. If you are in a 61 program, find a DPE that agree to give you some instruction half way through training. I went twice with a DPE in my commercial training and it was great. Some will do it and some will not, it all depends on timing. All of our DPE’s in Tx are swamped with work. That is my story!! Thanks you guys.

[@JB_Hobbies]

This honestly is one of the best aviation videos I have ever seen.

[@alanmcnamara9155]

Fantastic show, thanks guys!

[@onebravotango]

Great checkride prep video! I love this video and the channel; there is so much information.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Great info! Thanks, Dan, Christy, & Joey! 👍

[@bradboardwell8295]

We should all be so lucky to land a DPE such as Joey. Awesome interview and episode. 👍🏼👍🏼

[@ChrisMasoner]

As someone just getting started with the PPL process, I am still no where near even thinking about my first check ride. However, this was still highly informative and greatly appreciated!

[@justinnoah8355]

start studying now for it my guy will save it lots and get that written done asap

[@ChrisMasoner]

@@justinnoah8355 Thank you Justin. I was able to complete my PPL (PAR) written exam on 11/30/22, passed with an 86%! Since then, I have taken, and passes: IRA, CAX, FII, and FOI. The only exam left on my to-do list (for now) is the flight instructor exam, FIA. But, I have at least another month or so before I need to worry about that one.

[@IGrocker]

@@ChrisMasoner congrats!

[@KevinSmithAviation]

Excellent episode Dan and Christy, thank you. Thank you Joey for coming on the channel again and answering some more questions. Keep up the great work. Safe sky's. 🤘🇺🇸🛩️

[@drbooo]

I attended a safety seminar in Mo. on ask the DE ,They were saying Density Altitude, and looking out of the cockpit were big issues.

[@jimydoolittle3129]

Great vid Q&A , and she’s awesome 👩‍✈️ ❤️

[@terrycouey7246]

Just subscribed! Love the format and information/thoughts from all of you.

[@hillcrestannie]

Great show ! Look forward to seeing you at Airventure . Working on my Instrument rating now and I think it would be fun to do my check ride with Joe.

[@norrismantooth2330]

The check ride was the scariest part of getting my PPL. The worst part was my CFI was rude and once yelled at me during a takeoff. Before my check ride, I changed to the head CFI and he approved me after a couple of sessions. This was in 1979.

[@TakingOff]

Wow.

[@glennshaw5718]

If you are talking about a US private pilot certificate, don't call it a PPL. That is a term used in Great Britain and Australia.

[@TakingOff]

The term is used extremely often here in the US, as inaccurate as it might be. It's still very common. So not just "a term used in Great Britain and Australia." It's clearly used a lot in the US.

[@troymcgrew9822]

I like that he said a missed question could be backed up by other questions. They know candidates are nervous and can brain fart at any time.

[@spelldaddy5386]

Regarding when licenses get revoked from a bad DPE, how does that ripple effect work? If they pass a CFI candidate, and that CFI endorses students for solos/check rides, do those endorsements go away since the CFI wasn't really legitimate? Do those students also lose their licenses (even if they were examined by a different DPE)?

[@TakingOff]

As I understand it, the FAA can make you go on a 709 ride (or checkride again) if your DPE was determined bad. BUT, if for instance it's your CFI, you'd have to redo that one-- however if you did your CPL with different DPE, that's safe. Its a good argument for mixing up your DPE's for your checkrides.

[@kenwarren1720]

@@TakingOff That was not what he asked. I had the same question. For example DPE is bad so everyone he passed has to retest. If he approved a CFI checkride and that CFI goes on to train/endorse students is the student's training and endorsements also vacated so the student has to start over? Seems so to me because the CFI's credentials were not valid.

[@TakingOff]

@@kenwarren1720 I believe you’re correct

[@jnick1909]

@@TakingOff Wait a minute. So if I get my license under a DPE and then the DPE loses his/her shit a year or a few years down the road and gets revoked, the FAA could potentially take my license ?

[@TakingOff]

@@jnick1909 yup. And this happened. And one case, the FAA went and retested everybody 11 years back. There is no rule regarding how far back they can go. They decide.

[@BigBlockSpence]

Great episode!

[@Raptytime]

Definitely answering questions knowing the FAA is watching. Fair enough. ;) but we all who the good and bad DPEs are. Make sure you always ask around before scheduling.

[@patrickheavirland3599]

Hello from Minnesota! Great episode!

[@WX4CB]

@28:00 i'm one of those "quiet students"... my instructor is always asking... tell me what you're doing/thinking

[@sirjosefofhessen4527]

Would you say always to prep old school vfr navigation for dpe check ride or use proflight app 🤔

[@philhill184]

Very helpful.

[@kimberlywentworth9160]

One flight school said oh, we have an easy going DPE. I do not want a relaxed DPE. On the other hand I do not want a jerk either. I want a Firm but friendly DPE that is Fair and complete proper evaluation of my flying. I do not want a DPE that is on a high horse.

[@Mrsournotes]

Great discussion folks! When I did the knowledge portion of the test, my DPE had his baby granddaughter in a playpen next to me. She was answering questions too.😎

[@1dullgeek]

My private CFI showed up for the start of the checkride in case there was any endorsement issue. Since it was my first checkride, I just assumed that was the standard. I guess not?

[@TakingOff]

Depends, sometimes yes, sometimes no. I like a school/CFI who does that.

[@byronrogers4489]

So if a DTE messes up and causes an instructor to lose their rating, what happens to the people who got their ppl from them? Are they good or do they lose their ppl? Great video everyone!!

[@TakingOff]

The FAA can go back and make pilots retest.

[@dandrewmd11]

Would love to hear about "quotas" for DPE's. In speaking with some DPE's, they told me that if they have too high a pass or fail rate then they get talked to by their "handler"...true?

[@SouthTexas-n8o]

Good DPE. Firm but fair. I learned not to let the butterflies overwhelm you on your check ride.

[@nickolson1491]

On the discussion about dispelling candidates' anxiety, some affirmation from the DPE on things that were done right could be very helpful. A few "good job" remarks surely aren't prohibited, right?

[@glennshaw5718]

Saying "good job" is not professional. It is not helpful. What if you say it but then have to flunk the applicant?

[@TakingOff]

If a person does in fact a good job on this or that, there's no reason not to tell them so. Absolutely praise good work when there's good work. I wouldn't do it if its not genuine.

[@nickolson1491]

@@glennshaw5718 I respectfully disagree. What isn't professional is to willingly break a student's spirit resulting in lowered performance due to discouragement.

[@unclefester6494]

@@TakingOff DITTO

[@eqmovies7296]

Can a DPE be a full-time flight instructor for the student, before (or leading) to the PPL test?

[@TakingOff]

Officially, the student needs to have a different CFI for the last three hours of instruction. Must be someone different than the DPE for those last three.

[@chuckjansen4602]

using acronyms and numbers without reference (this 61.35 or 61.49) left me wondering what those were or are, or should I know that off the top of my head like you do?

[@TakingOff]

Good reminder that we need to explain that kind of stuff. For everyone learning to become a pilot, the FAA has issued their “Bible”. It’s called the FAR and these are chapter and verse of their regs.

[@chuckjansen4602]

@@TakingOff I have "the Bible" but when things jump out in conversation and go by fast It would be helpful to clarify the reference Thanks

[@jamesringler987]

Part 61 in the far aim manual

[@floydieharris6236]

This guy is the Patrick Swayze of DPE’s

[@brentjohnson6654]

I am a PPL, licensed in 1975. Sorry, this is not a DPE question. I was an engineer that flew test flights on our customer platforms as a crew member with a Class 3 medical. Some of our customers required us to go to an altitude chamber and it was a very interesting experience. I made a comment that every private pilot should have experience with hypoxia with a chamber ride. I found out later that OKC (FAA) offers a physiology class with a chamber ride for free and all we have to pay for is transportation to their location. Is this still the case? Thanks for your videos. I always learn something!

[@glennwatson]

Sounds like good training.

[@4-7th_CAV]

Yes, the FAA High Altitude training and chamber are still available, and still FREE. Here is a link to the FAA's page on it. www.faa.gov/pilots/training/airman_education/aerospace_physiology/cami_enrollment/

[@brentjohnson6654]

@@4-7th_CAV thanks, I was wondering if that were the case. Personally, I would like spin training and altitude chamber be done by everyone seeking their PPL. But that is just my opinion. Thanks for your comment.

[@4-7th_CAV]

@@brentjohnson6654 I have not personally been the high altitude chamber in OKC, but I have a friend that has. If memory serves me correctly you just have to submit an application and they will schedule several pilots to go to the chamber at one time. I don't know what the wait time or waiting list is like; however, if you go to that link I think all the information is there, including a contact person at the FAA in OKC to call if you have any specific questions. I have also noticed that there are several universities that have chambers, but I don't know anything about them or what their costs might be. Personally, I think the best training you could be given is from the one in OKC - they give you differing tasks to perform at various altitudes so you can see what the effects are at different heights.

[@unclefester6494]

@@brentjohnson6654 AS THEY SAID, HAS TO BE AT LEAST A CFI, AS NO PASSENGERS TILL YOU GET YOUR PPL!!!! HOPE THAT HELPS!

[@kimberlywentworth9160]

It's also being a safe confident pilot and not just passing the practical test.

[@stowjoker342]

Does someone know the back story on that DPE that got his cert revoked?

[@TakingOff]

There have been several. Which are you referring to? One was taking money for the checkrides and not doing the checkrides.

[@courtneysawyer8407]

Who was the DPE in cincinnati? I’m training out of there currently…

[@warrencollmer3077]

Martha Lunken who writes a monthly column in Flying Magazine used to be a DPE in Cincinnati. She has been retired for a few years.

[@courtneysawyer8407]

@@warrencollmer3077 Martha Lunken got her pilots license revoked and had to retrain because she broke 2 FAA laws in one flight and got caught. She’s also not a real “Lunken” the actual lunkens wish so badly she would take back her madden name as she divorced from the family ages ago.

[@christopherbrown1730]

The female CFI on the panel didn't endorse her students properly? Why not follow a checklist to make sure nothing is missed?

[@careywaldie6735]

Don't make the examiner guess your intentions. Practice talking each maneuver out loud during training.

[@mattbasford6299]

I never speak out loud when I'm running checklists or approach plates

[@powerliftingpilot]

you really should imo

[@mattbasford6299]

@@powerliftingpilot I really don't see the point

[@jerrymoore838]

So very sad. Would like to see your analysis of JFK jr tragedy

[@eastendmafia]

Starting to think the dpe pay is a scam...

[@Ayodehi]

The idea that a DPE can't fly with a pre-PPL student isn't 100% accurate as described. The student can't be PIC.. but they can fly with another pilot and that pilot can allow them to do whatever they are comfortable with... it thus wouldn't be loggable hours towards training requirements. Not saying it's a good idea or it doesn't flirt with trouble.. but legally speaking, it's possible.

[@Hedgeflexlfz]

You need a computer? Oh my gosh so expensive

[@PghGameFix]

I always enjoy your vids... but my GF wants to know where Christy gets her aircraft leggings.

[@TakingOff]

😂. A aviation teenager created a company called Chart It All. Chartitall.com

[@pilotchristy]

I have gotten them from Chart It All, Radar Contact, and Base Turn! 🙂

[@PghGameFix]

@@pilotchristy thanks

[@flythec152]

The host avoids asking the guest any questions because he know he'll look silly, he's learning!

[@eastendmafia]

It is a real issue that dpe's have "pet peeves" there should be a concrete moment of failure. no rules based on how they feel that day.

[@thetrendingadvocate2727]

Lucky table

[@AdabAbu]

M brother has a checkride next week. 700$. Texas

[@TakingOff]

The Private or a different checkride?

[@AdabAbu]

@@TakingOff private pilot certificate

[@cebunting]

My DPE spent half of his Sunday to deal with my marginal flying skills for 450 bucks a few years ago, that was like 90 bucks an hour. Before the test it sounded expensive, after the test it felt like a fair price.

[@georgen9755]

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[@manifestgtr]

The real question is this…does the student have to pay for a retest if the school’s airplane blows up on him during a checkride? That would be a hideously annoying bit of bad mojo lol

[@airbornelocksmith]

The entire state of DPE is 5 in Louisiana. It’s BS

[@kenwarren1720]

The next time y'all say "you guys" you should get kicked out of Texas.

[@pilotchristy]

I’m not a Texas native! 🙈 It’s so unnatural for me to say “y’all”. 😂

[@josephditroia4946]

Buddy, they are getting rich off the checkrides lol. Who are you kidding…

[@sw3w537]

i fly but it is a waste of time and money. the best thing i can recommend is to not fly. im worth 32 million and wouldnt buy even a cessna....expensive toy.

[@miscellaneous037]

I suspect most people fly for the love of flying, not because it offers some ROI their accountant would approve of. If there is some "investment" aspect to flying, it is likely a mixture of 1) enjoyment of life, adventure and time spent with likeminded people and 2) career opportunities in a variety of settings that allow one to engage the thrill of flying with work. Maybe you should take up fishing. You might find it a better way to while away your time and net worth. :)

[@eastendmafia]

youre either lying or just afraid to spend money. You can afford a cessna, better yet ten of them.