Dr. Andy Woods on 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 -- "Falling Away"

In this short clip, Dr. Andy Woods speaks about his understanding of what 'apostasia' in 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 means and how is relates to the Pretribulational rapture of the church in the end times.
Original clip found here: • Session 07. Prophecy C...
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[@sarasotafl]

couldn't have said it better

[@jdwagman]

The initial explanation, "Don’t let anyone deceive you" in verse 3 is that a great 'apostasy' - [ἀποστασία (apostasia) (apostasy, defection, falling away) would come first. The conclusion in verse 15 clearly suggests a departure from the scripturally based teaching of truth handed down to us through the apostles. 2 Thessalonians 2: 15 So then (in conclusion), brothers and sisters, 'stand firm' - [στήκετε (stēkete) (stand fast, stand firm, persevere) ] and 'hold fast' - [κρατεῖτε (krateite) ( to place under one's grasp - seize hold of, put under control)] to the 'teachings' - [παραδόσεις (paradoseis) (teachings, ordinances, instructions, traditions)] passed on to you from us [the apostles] , whether by word of mouth or by letter. But what 'man' - [ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos) (a man, human, mankind, people, or class, or type, or group of people )] loves the truth enough to care what they (Paul, Silas and Timothy) were really saying and teaching? And yes I know that your bible probably leaves out the, " passed on to you (from us), ..."; having instead, "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, ..." But go to the Greek text instead and you will see that it is there. ἡμῶν. (hēmōn) (us, of us). The way the KJV, and many other translations, word it seem to indicate to hold on to the "traditions" you were first taught ... which would be from men.

[@ivangodin1850]

2 Thess. 2: 9-10 "The coming of the lawless one...(wrath) directed against those who are perishing (and refused to receive the truth). The Church is not destined to perish (John 3:16) and certainly has received the truth. In other words, AC's fury MUST come AFTER our rapture/departure.

[@j.t.patton7820]

Maybe the most compelling statement for the Pre-Tribulational Rapture is: I Thessalonians 4: 18 NKJV Therefore comfort one another with these words. THIS VERSE CANNOT FIT THE CONTEXT OF ANYTHING BUT A PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE ! :D

[@imflying2752]

Thank you.

[@YeshuaIsMyKing79823]

Weird that so many Christians are eager to go through the first half of the tribulation. Interesting that it's hard to even find the original meaning of the word Departure and even the online Lexicons define it as a falling away from the faith.

[@Michael33905]

Are you kidding me? Paul would never say, "The rapture won't happen until the rapture happens." Apostasia as Dr. Wood interprets it "departure" is never used in the physical sense in the Bible. (i.e., He apostasia 'departed' his home. Rather it is always used in the spiritual sense as in, He apostasia 'departed' the faith.)

[@John3.36]

'that day' is Day of the Lord, not the rapture necessarily. It is just a theory, could be possible.

[@Mike65809]

Inceed, Paul says the rapture (our gathering together unto him) can't happen until the Lawless one is revealed. True? Then Paul says the rapture happens SO the Lawless one can be revealed (that is if the restrainer is the Holy Spirit in the church). Right? So therefore, the rapture happens before and after the Lawless one is revealed?? On one had it occurs after he is revealed, the other it occurs so he can be revealed. Does that make sense? Isn't Paul contradicting himself?

[@John3.36]

The Rapture is before the lawless one, and the Second Coming of Christ is after. The two events are separate. Look up Rapture Vs Second Coming verses. That will help.

[@jayjay-bz3rr]

It’s a shame that the Apostle Paul wasn’t specifically clear when he wrote 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-7. If Paul was clear, there wouldn’t be arguments about it.

[@johnarnold3696]

seems clear to me

[@fohponomalama5065]

In the words of John McEnroe, "You Cannot be Serious!"

[@DonPedroIXIV]

How about verse 16-18. Read them together and see a logical flow. Dead in Christ together with living in Christ will meet in the clouds. There is no mention of tribulation in this chapter

[@John3.36]

18?

[@itsmariah2]

At minute 3:16 you say, "What he's focused on here early in His ministry is the second coming of Jesus, the rapture." I don't understand why you call the rapture the second coming. Is that what you mean by that statement?

[@John3.36]

I don't think he is intentionally combining the two together since he teaches that they are separate, I think it was just a misstatement.

[@1John5-13-Lisa]

Awesome!!! Do we get raptured before the antichrist revealed or after revealed. Some say before some say after Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

[@John3.36]

If it is as he says, then the Rapture will come before.

[@stephendobbs7653]

Apostasy means a falling away from your faith not a departure from the planet earth. This is absurd.

[@user-tb5gq7kp5u]

it is written a falling away. It is not written falling away from your faith. You added to God's word. Repent !!!

[@Styles1991]

But who does the falling away? Humanity? Or the reader?

[@YeshuaIsMyKing79823]

What Dr Andy Woods is saying is the original definition of Apostosia by early church Fathers is it means Departure. It's the Catholics and later Protestants who weaponized the word and redefined it as a falling away from the faith to use against their enemies. If it in fact means departure then you have to look at the context surrounding the word.

[@stephendobbs7653]

Plus St Paul did not teach pre trib rapture anyway.

[@breadoflife2075]

This is untrue teaching

[@John3.36]

Perhaps your idea of 'falling away' is incorrect.

[@todddetz1118]

Wow great argument

[@javadusk9721]

Apostasy means Rebellion

[@javadusk9721]

Andy Woods is a terrific teacher BUT he is wrong regarding the apostasy - The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia ("ἀποστασία") meaning "rebellion", "state of apostasy", "abandonment", or "defection". It has been described as "a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christianity.

[@user-tb5gq7kp5u]

Context is the key. Paul did not write a falling away FROM. It is written a falling away period.

[@javadusk9721]

@@user-tb5gq7kp5u Context sure is key, ‘falling away’ just picture yourself falling away, one most certainly cannot fall away ‘to’ something, only from or possibly off. Common sense says that even if you want to say you’re falling ‘away’ to something like the ground, or into the mud for example, (away and to are opposites) the falling away indicates you’re leaving or departing from ??? Look up Google, falling away is almost always followed by FROM. ‘Falling away’ has negative connotations - falling DOWN whereas ‘caught up’ is positive. So Heb 6:4-8 is describing the consequences of a Christian not pressing on to maturity. The Christian is defined using a list of experiences common to every Christian but unfamiliar to unbelievers. It mentions becoming enlightened, i.e. coming to know the truth of the Gospel, a partaken of the Holy Spirit. The writer provides this list to emphasise the certainty of the believer’s faith which makes his warning all the more sobering. Because of the certainty of his faith, a believer who falls away cannot be renewed ‘again’ to repentance, to put it simply, there is no second salvation for this person. Salvation is a once-in-a-lifetime experience whereas repentance should be a daily occurrence.