Dr. Andy Woods on The Serious Issues with Calvinism

[@elizabethl3323]

Thank you Pastor Andy.

[@lincolnliking]

Very well said

[@dfelcman]

"It makes the path to salvation difficult if not impossible." That's right, true salvation is impossible with man. Matthew 19:25-26 The disciples asked him, "who then can be saved." But Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." In other words... "You must be born again." John 3:3

[@bernhardbauer5301]

Intersting jumping! From Matthew to John. Staying in Judaism. Changing the context completly. Looks like American theology to me.

[@jlandles]

@@bernhardbauer5301 It's actually orthodox, biblical theology. There's nothing hard to understand about the impossibility of salvation outside of God's grace. Unfortunately, the Arminian wants to change the gospel and turn God's grace into mere enablement so that man can do things to save himself.

[@MrDonalddy]

This is one of the most misrepresented descriptions of Calvinism I’ve ever heard. It’s sad that a teacher in the church is willing to spew half truths and give such a false picture of a such a beautiful God centered theology. Do yourself a favor and don’t cherry pick quotes, go to the Bible first, and also read the theologians of the past all the way back to Augustine and then make up your mind. May Christ be Praised!

[@autumn_armyworm]

Yeah, awful presentation. Keep in mind he is a Dispensationalist therefore very confused.

[@jeromeburcham4145]

All 5 points of his presentation are lies.

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@John3.36 Look up a Bible

[@allanyoung6231]

@@MrDonalddy Total Depravity destroys the ability to comprehend the plain teaching of scripture. That is only cured by the gift of God's grace.

[@TheRomans9Guy]

It’s kind of hard to call it a secondary issue when you’re teaching that before the foundations of the world God predestined some people he was going to create to eternal death and some to eternal life. That’s pretty awful. It’s blasphemy and it makes people disgusted at God and not only not want to follow him, but actually hate him and actively work against him.

[@Over-for-now]

TheRomans9guy, you said a mouth full when you said it causes people to hate God. In our depravity we absolutely do hate God. THAT is why the truth of our deadness and depravity is SO true. We don't like God's WAYS in our deadness and depravity. Thank God HE chooses us to be SAVED -- the Bible does not say that God "chooses" some to damnation. He wants all to come to the knowledge of the truth BUT we ARE in rebellion and the truth is FOOLISHNESS to the unsaved person

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@Over-for-now If it were true that people hated God because of total depravity that would be fine. But it’s not. They hate God because of who Calvinists say God is. And that’s unconscionable.

[@Over-for-now]

@@TheRomans9Guy don't deny scriptures. THAT is destructive to your soul. If we humans hate God because of calvinist, THAT is pure rebellion. It's not calvin, it's scripture

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@Over-for-now Except that Calvin goes strictly against scripture. Stop idolizing Calvin. He was a failed theologian. He’s not God.

[@Over-for-now]

@@TheRomans9Guy sadly. YOU are obsessing over calvin. Absolutely obsessing over calvin. I don't care one bit about calvin. Scripture says that the unsaved person HATES God So quit idolizing your religion

[@B-mg1pr]

Completely misrepresented what lordship salvation is. Lordship salvation does not "put the spotlight on man and what he does", but rather the exact opposite. It's about recognizing that true faith in Jesus Christ can't be separated from a willingness to surrender to His authority and follow Him as Lord. Genuine faith will gladly submit to the lordship of Jesus, and a refusal to do so indicates a lack of true faith.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@B-mg1pr Lordship Salvation is discussed in the book of James where he tells us how Faith without is works is dead is the elect will show the signs of the Holy Spirit working within. These good works in no way contribute to Salvation but are the fruits of it. It varies in different people over time .

[@angloaust1575]

Its a doctrine built on scriptural verses refuting The making a decision Prevelant in rallies

[@nathanshaulis5088]

So he openly admits to looking for evidence before baptizing while slandering a brother who advocates for looking for evidence before baptizing. "They will draw away disciples unto themselves"

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@friendgoogly-bear-gaming]

Most of Woods' critique is against Lordship Salvation and not actual Calvinism. Maybe just use "Lordship Salvation" in the title instead of "Calvinism".

[@MelbaCox-x3t]

Understanding Foreknowledge Predestined Chosen Elect Called Justified Glorified are essential to Christian maturity. See John 8:31-32 And,it is WONDERFUL!

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@John3.36 you are in a state of Total Depravity

[@cr5195]

Paul notes that God predestined Jacob to be used to continue the Godly line of the promise and not Esau. God did this “though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad-in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls” (Romans 9:11

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@TrinkBruder]

So why do I have to be an iconoclast to be saved? Do I have to smash icons to recognize He is Savior?

[@DavidBrown-tf7uv]

By 3:46 he has described a belief system that bears absolutely no truthful resemblance to a reformed theology actually is

[@John3.36]

What do you mean by 'Reformed Theology' ?

[@DavidBrown-tf7uv]

@ “Calvinism” correctly defined. The 5 solas

[@John3.36]

@@DavidBrown-tf7uv He actually has a message on the 5 solas, It is called, "Ever Reforming 07: Contributions of the Protestant Reformers Part II"

[@Redeemed60]

True. And isn't that always the case with those who rail on the sovereignty of God in salvation? They attack and attempt to dismantle a system of belief which they wholly do not understand. Mind boggling.

[@John3.36]

@@Redeemed60 Not even Reformed agree with each other on what Reformed theology is.

[@rossjohnson165]

So if you embrace openly the five points of the Arminian Heresy from the 17th Century, as you do Dr. Woods, you should be more clear about what parts of God's Word you reject? It really doesn't matter what you like about what God says or how you feel about it. It's what the truth is that matters. Just because you put a Dr. in front of your name doesn't mean you can twist scripture to your liking. The Arminian Heresy is not Christianity. If you only preach half truths, then don't preach at all. God doesn't stop being sovereign based on your personal opinion. Believe ALL of what God's Word reveals and don't pry into what he keeps hidden.

[@johnsteindel5273]

misrepresents as if Calvinists preach 'calvinism' rather than the gospel. I don't think he understands Calvinism, or really knows any Calvinists because in reality they don't do the things he says they do. He's a good Arminian though, lots of anecdotal stories and quotes and proof texting, but no actual expositing of texts.

[@John3.36]

Look up, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told". It is in the video description above.

[@ryleighloughty3307]

If you oppose Calvinism, then you do not understand it. Anti-Calvinists are nudging up to the faith of new-age self-worship.

[@John3.36]

"If you oppose Calvinism, then you do not understand it." That is silly. Only Calvinists understand Calvinism? I could say the same thing about Non-Calvinism. "If you oppose Non-Calvinism, then you do not understand it."

[@ryleighloughty3307]

@@John3.36 Calvinism is a biblical and logical summary of God's will, power and sovereignty.

[@Durnyful]

Like the Orthodox church... is that right... really?

[@John3.36]

@@ryleighloughty3307 I would say that Calvinism is a man-made philosophy used to interpret the text. There is a good video about it called, "Calvinist Meme Complex" worth a watch.

[@bibleaday154]

Is he going to spend 15minutes talking about Calvinism, and not say what Calvinism is?

[@John3.36]

Look up, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told". It is in the video description above.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@bibleaday154 He doesn't know what Calvinism is. It's actually Reformed theology and it is the Gospel expounded by many Theologians and not just Calvin.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@John3.36 Look up what Scripture teaches.

[@bernhardbauer5301]

This is typical for pastors. Another example: The Gospel, the Gospel, the Gospel.... Without saying what the Gospel is.

[@allanyoung6231]

@bernhardbauer5301 Unfortunately very true.

[@jrobertthompson910]

I think you are confusing hyper calvinism with traditional calvinism.

[@John3.36]

What is the difference?

[@jlandles]

As with all such videos, it is preached by a person who has plainly never read a Calvinistic systematic theology in his life, or understood the internal logic. This presentation does not show even a modicum of awareness of what Calvinism is.

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@steveswan5714]

Romans 9:13 Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that hath mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, For this very purpose did I raise thee up, that I might show in thee my power, and that my name might be published abroad in all the earth. 18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus? 21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction: bibliajfa.com.br/app/asv/45N/9/13

[@John3.36]

If you are brave, look up, "Romans 9 De-Calvinized" for an alternative view.

[@simonbrown1486]

@@John3.36you mean, “de-Christianised”.

[@John3.36]

@@simonbrown1486 Calvinism does not equal Christianity

[@simonbrown1486]

@@John3.36 a statement that Calvin himself would heartily agree with. Hence why he took pains to fade as namelessly from this world as he could. He requested burial in an unmarked grave hoping to prevent pilgrims from coming to see his resting place and engaging in the kind of idolatry he’d spent his lifetime standing against. The problem is, that you use the term ‘Calvinism’ to justify your hatred of the clear doctrines taught in scripture. It is not Calvin that you hate, but God’s Word.

[@John3.36]

@@simonbrown1486 These doctrines are not in scriptures, they are read into the scriptures. Big difference. If you are brave check out a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." It is in the video description above as a link as well.

[@RAJohns]

Calvinists do not believe in Lordship Salvation. You are preaching fallacy. Arminians are the ones who believe in Lordship Salvation. Works are not a part of salvation in Calvinism.

[@John3.36]

Calvinism does not directly cover Lordship Salvation, but it is implied.

[@RAJohns]

@@John3.36 No it isn’t.

[@cal30m1]

Please be easy on Andy, without his straw man argument, he couldn’t make a point.

[@RAJohns]

@@John3.36 I’m ignoring that other comment by the other guy because he does not know the truth. TULiP - Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Perseverance of the Saints. It’s the farthest thing from Lordship Salvation. The Father and the Holy Spirit and Jesus do the whole thing. Arminians are the ones that preach repentance all the time. The Book of James is their favorite book.

[@RAJohns]

@@cal30m1 Okay I got you. Sorry for my misunderstanding.

[@regeneratis]

This dude should not be in a shepherding position.

[@John3.36]

Ad-Hominem eh

[@regeneratis]

@@John3.36 not so much.

[@bernhardbauer5301]

There is NO Calvin in the bible. We all know that John Calvin was a murderer. No reason to preach Calvin. We should preach CHRIST! However, preachers do not know CHRIST therefore they preach something else. Paul: Colossians 1:28: Whom (CHRIST)we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in CHRIST JESUS!

[@timothyflaherty5150]

I'm not a Calvinist, just a Christian. But I really don't think God chooses some to be saved and others to be damned. Rather, God chose some to save (before the foundation of the world) and the rest choose to reject God, sealing their own fate, which God confirms by hardening their heart as He did with Pharaoh. The thing is that if God hadn't chose some to save, nobody would be saved, and where then would be grace?

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@timothyflaherty5150]

Thank you for your response. "Calvinism" is simply a distraction. While I am somewhat familiar with both sides of this issue, my effort is to take and do all my reasoning from the Bible. Perhaps the greatest problem here is a repudiation of the absolute sovereignty of God, who clearly said "I'll have mercy on whom I'll have mercy, and compassion on whom I'll have compassion", and we'd do well to take that into serious account. May the good Lord bless you friend.

[@timothyflaherty5150]

Further, Paul takes the statement from God and fleshes it out to say "You will say then "Why does He still find fault?" and the following verses make it clear "...does not the potter have a right over the clay...?" May the good Lord bless you friend.

[@allanyoung6231]

@@timothyflaherty5150 It's the case ( as Scripture teaches) that no one is righteous. All have sinned without exception and deserve the punishment for sin. God is just and punishes sin. He does however choose to extend grace to some whom he chooses. The Grace of God is to not forcibly convert evil people but to send the Holy spirit who works within to remove our hardness of heart and allow us to hear the Gospel and to respond. Man in his natural state is dead in his sin and cannot respond in this condition. Gods grace is extended to whoever he wills . The rest are not unjustly punished as they are clearly deserving. The elect are the sheep who hear Jesus voice as the shepherd and respond. He knows his sheep and they know him.

[@timothyflaherty5150]

@@allanyoung6231 Hello allan. We certainly believe the same Bible, I could not have said it better than you just did. however, I would not disallow the word forcibly because it is irresistible. And we neither asked for it, nor wanted it. Not forcible because the instant we receive the Holy Spirit; we believe with joy and thankfulness! In that sense then I rejoice that the Lord forced Himself upon this hell-deserving sinner. But, I would not choose the word forcibly normally, but your description is good; the Spirit works within us to believe and receive. May God bless you allan, Lord willing we shall meet in the Kingdom on that great and fine day of the Lord.

[@autumn_armyworm]

Terrible presentation. He is mostly talking about MacArthur and the Master's Seminary crowd. We don't teach their "Lordship Salvation". Keep in mind Woods is a Dispensationalist. The entire rest of the church rolls their eyes at Dispensational Theology.

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@BuildingByFaith]

I see your point about taking Calvinism too far. A similar observation is made toward pre-trib believers that are just "sitting around waiting for the rapture". I don't consider myself a Calvin's, but I see biblical evidence for all five points (Mark 10:45 pointing to limited atonement). With respect to your views presented here, how do you understand Romans 9?

[@John3.36]

Romans 9 has been summed up well by Kevin from BTF: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3LTc5WEjcqIaJY and Leighton from Soteriology 101 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3eUXnyahJWFl6M

[@BuildingByFaith]

@John3.36 thanks, I'll view. I'd still like to hear from Pastor Andy, though.

[@John3.36]

@@BuildingByFaith Probably type in Andy Woods Romans 9 on the search

[@murphyjones100]

If you've got the time, check out Dr Joel Korytko's explanation of Romans 9. It's spot on if you ask me.

[@John3.36]

@@BuildingByFaith look up andy woods romans 9

[@cal30m1]

Couple of questions/points; If there aren’t any secondary issues, is it wrong for a church to either require or prohibit woman to wear head coverings? In the same way you do not subscribe to all of Minirth-Meier teachings, but use some, not all Calvinists, especially “neo” Calvinists are hyper-calvinists. RC Sproul baptized infants and he was a staunch Calvinist, so how can you claim “Calvinist” won’t baptize children? If anything causes division with a church is when the pastor pigeonholes the members into boxes like Calvinists, Arminian, Pelagian, or Semi-Pelagian…

[@randybeumer6618]

This is just "Calvin bashing" without actually refering to the Scriptures which the issues are based on, and without actually reading or understanding Calvin's writings on the Scriptures he uses to come to his conclusions. If this is a primary issue, how do you read Ephesians 1 and 2, Romans 8:28-30, Matthew 25:34, Acts 2:39 and so on? I'd really like to hear you discuss the different views from Scripture to back your claims. Respectfully.

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@Over-for-now]

@@randybeumer6618 Hello, it's true that we cannot and will NOT come and that the gospel is foolishness to the natural man. However please leave calvin OUT. It just makes the natural man so angry to hear THAT name and they ARE obsessed with calvin

[@stephenwright4973]

Everyone should read The Sins of the Saints by A.W. Pink, who was as strict a Calvinist as any I am aware of. I don't believe it's true that Calvinists hate the doctrine of the carnal Christian. The Puritans, also strict Calvinists, have abundant writings of comfort and encouragement for backslidden Christians.

[@Redeemed60]

They should also read The Sovereignty of God by A.W. Pink, and also The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination by Lorraine Boettner (a Frenchman). At least that way they would know exactly what Calvinism is rather than use strawmen like the man in this video to attempt to dismantle a doctrine he doesn't actually understand at all.

[@John3.36]

They don't hate it, they just re-interpret it to fit Calvinistic Theology.

[@georgekramer5747]

Well, the focus is on Jesus and Man. He gave a gift, and we must do something with it. My dad gifted me a skill saw, I then built a table, a chair, etc. . Too say, " neo-Calvinism" is unnecessary and redundant. Calvinism, double predestination is a heresy. A heresy is not a neo-heresy. Much like your great point about so-called, "secondary issues".

[@philipmurray9796]

15 minutes of confusion.

[@John3.36]

Please enlighten us

[@philipmurray9796]

@John3.36 Lordship Salvation was in response to easy believism... The idea that Jesus could be a savior and not Lord. It challenged the notion of simply repeating a prayer by the Pastor, getting your ticket to heaven punched, and then going off and living like a hellion for the rest of you life because you did a ritual. The new birth tells us we are a new creation! The old is passed and the new has come. Salvation is a supernatural work of God wrought by the Holy Spirit.

[@John3.36]

@@philipmurray9796 The issue with Lordship Salvation is that it makes salvation impossible by putting the focus on the Christian and not Christ. It also conflates salvation with discipleship. In this video however, he is talking about Calvinism.

[@noynoying]

One huge straw man

[@John3.36]

There is a video called, "Predestination: It's nothing like you were told." I would say look it up and check it out. It is in the video description above.

[@timmason925]

Well as soon as he spoke about Lordship salvation being false he lost credibility! The bible is clear, repent and believe, by their fruits you shall know them, also it’s a call to discipleship!

[@Donasavedbygrace]

Repent of what?

[@timmason925]

@@Donasavedbygrace repent of going your own way in life to Gods way! It’s part of salvation!

[@Donasavedbygrace]

@@timmason925 Repent is a charge of mind from unbelief to belief in Jesus as the savior. The Gospel is Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again. Salvation is a birth issue and not a growth issue. Did you turn your way when you were in your mother's womb? You would be able To do that after being born, the same as being born again which is the only condition to be saved. Once you are saved the you should grow. salvation is not the same as discipleship. Judas was a disciple but he was not saved.

[@Jerold-bu3ul]

​@timmason925 so according to you, salvation is up to us?

[@ralphparker923]

Belief in Jesus is not just belief in him as savior. It is agreeing with him about your sinfulness and need for him. The heart must change to reject sin. God does not offer eternal life to anyone who is unwilling to turn from their sin. If you're not a follower, you really don't have a promise of forgiveness. The idea that salvation belongs to those who merely see that they are sinners and know that Jesus died for sinners, is wishful thinking for a persistent sinner. If you are presently follow Jesus, you can rest secure, even if that following involves some sinning. But if you are not presently living for Him, you don't have reason to feel secure. Matthew 24:13 , "But the one who endures to the end will be saved." The "one who endures" does not mean "those who keep believing they were saved in the past and they can never lose it no matter what else they do" will be saved. That's belief in half of a Jesus. He is to be seen and treated as Lord, if he is to be Savior. The Christian faith is not just always reminding yourself that you are saved by Jesus merits. It may involve that, but it is not just that. The heart must change and renounce sin and turn toward God for direction and strength. Safety is for those who keep looking to God, not those who used to look to God.

[@Over-for-now]

Isaiah 45:7 says HE created evil, even l the Lord did THAT

[@John3.36]

God of Calvinism perhaps

[@michaelcabezas1667]

@over-for-now The term “evil” can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT).

[@Over-for-now]

​@@michaelcabezas1667 lm thankful for a God of absolute sovereignty

[@Over-for-now]

How do you answer John 1:13 It's not the WILL of man or the FLESH ??? Only of God

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now Modified Calvinistic paraphrase: “But as many as [were already born of God] received him, to them [who were already born of God] gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them [who were already born of God] that believe on his name: Which were born, not [because] of blood, nor [because] of the will of the flesh, nor [because] of the will of man, but [because] of God.” Calvinists take the portion of the passage which speaks of the nature of our new birth, and infer it as the means to come to Christ. The problem is that regeneration is in Christ, and we do not become sealed in Him until after we believe, as per Ephesians 1:13. Thus, Calvinism is out of order. Norman Geisler: “God is the source by which the new birth is given (v.13), but free will is the means by which it is ‘received’ (v.12). It is ‘by’ grace but ‘through’ (Greek: dia) faith that we are saved (Eph. 2:8).” (Chosen But Free, p.60)

[@Over-for-now]

Leave Calvin out. Scriptures clearly teach our inability, our deadness, our love of darkness, our thoughts of the gospel as foolishness, our hate towards God, on and on Just come to Jesus and HE will NOT cast you out BUT HE ABSOLUTELY CHOSE you and caused you to SEE your need

[@John3.36]

no

[@Over-for-now]

@@John3.36 that's rebellion against the God of the WORD. I pray you will find peace in the finished work Jesus accomplished FOR salvation

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now Rebellion against Calvinism, not God's word. The two are not the same.

[@Over-for-now]

@@John3.36. You should present Paul's gospel instead of being obsessed with calvin. The FINISHED work Jesus accomplished.

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now you should drop Calvin instead of perverting the gospel with his teachings.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

there's no secondary issue? do you baptize infants and affirm the real presence in the eucharist?

[@hondotheology]

strawmen all of it but nice job anyway

[@John3.36]

He has a more in-depth one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d32pmJxpfJ5nitE

[@Jerold-bu3ul]

Wow, hondo, care to explain how you think it a strawman?

[@cal30m1]

@@Jerold-bu3ulI am a 4 point Calvinist and 99% of what Andy claims I believe is not true. If I preached a sermon claiming Andy believes all you need to do is trick someone into signing a decision card at the age of 5, would that be disingenuous?

[@rickmarosi-yz9wt]

This guy also does not understand the gospel that Paul preached, but neither does men like Justin Peters.

[@chrisbarry6217]

Hello there, can you explain why you wrote what you wrote?

[@alexkelley385]

Throughout Romans you see faith and believe. Consider Romans 3:19-25

[@Karen19820]

Andy Woods is spot on. The knowledge of the truth will set you free.