Dr. Andy Woods on The Serious Issues with Calvinism

[@elizabethl3323]

Thank you Pastor Andy.

[@lincolnliking]

Very well said

[@georgekramer5747]

Well, the focus is on Jesus and Man. He gave a gift, and we must do something with it. My dad gifted me a skill saw, I then built a table, a chair, etc. . Too say, " neo-Calvinism" is unnecessary and redundant. Calvinism, double predestination is a heresy. A heresy is not a neo-heresy. Much like your great point about so-called, "secondary issues".

[@angloaust1575]

Its a doctrine built on scriptural verses refuting The making a decision Prevelant in rallies

[@TheRomans9Guy]

It’s kind of hard to call it a secondary issue when you’re teaching that before the foundations of the world God predestined some people he was going to create to eternal death and some to eternal life. That’s pretty awful. It’s blasphemy and it makes people disgusted at God and not only not want to follow him, but actually hate him and actively work against him.

[@Over-for-now]

TheRomans9guy, you said a mouth full when you said it causes people to hate God. In our depravity we absolutely do hate God. THAT is why the truth of our deadness and depravity is SO true. We don't like God's WAYS in our deadness and depravity. Thank God HE chooses us to be SAVED -- the Bible does not say that God "chooses" some to damnation. He wants all to come to the knowledge of the truth BUT we ARE in rebellion and the truth is FOOLISHNESS to the unsaved person

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@Over-for-now If it were true that people hated God because of total depravity that would be fine. But it’s not. They hate God because of who Calvinists say God is. And that’s unconscionable.

[@Over-for-now]

@@TheRomans9Guy don't deny scriptures. THAT is destructive to your soul. If we humans hate God because of calvinist, THAT is pure rebellion. It's not calvin, it's scripture

[@TheRomans9Guy]

@@Over-for-now Except that Calvin goes strictly against scripture. Stop idolizing Calvin. He was a failed theologian. He’s not God.

[@Over-for-now]

@@TheRomans9Guy sadly. YOU are obsessing over calvin. Absolutely obsessing over calvin. I don't care one bit about calvin. Scripture says that the unsaved person HATES God So quit idolizing your religion

[@BuildingByFaith]

I see your point about taking Calvinism too far. A similar observation is made toward pre-trib believers that are just "sitting around waiting for the rapture". I don't consider myself a Calvin's, but I see biblical evidence for all five points (Mark 10:45 pointing to limited atonement). With respect to your views presented here, how do you understand Romans 9?

[@John3.36]

Romans 9 has been summed up well by Kevin from BTF: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3LTc5WEjcqIaJY and Leighton from Soteriology 101 kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3eUXnyahJWFl6M

[@BuildingByFaith]

@John3.36 thanks, I'll view. I'd still like to hear from Pastor Andy, though.

[@John3.36]

@@BuildingByFaith Probably type in Andy Woods Romans 9 on the search

[@murphyjones100]

If you've got the time, check out Dr Joel Korytko's explanation of Romans 9. It's spot on if you ask me.

[@John3.36]

@@BuildingByFaith look up andy woods romans 9

[@Over-for-now]

Isaiah 45:7 says HE created evil, even l the Lord did THAT

[@John3.36]

God of Calvinism perhaps

[@michaelcabezas1667]

@over-for-now The term “evil” can be used in the sense of moral evil, such as wickedness and sin sin (Matthew 12:35; Judges 3:12; Proverbs 8:13; 3 John 1:11), or it can refer to harmful natural events, calamity, misfortune, adversity, affliction, or disaster. It is in this second sense that Isaiah speaks, and his meaning is reflected in most modern Bible translations of Isaiah 45:7 (emphasis added): “I make success and create disaster” (HCSB); “I make well-being and create calamity” (ESV); “I send good times and bad times” (NLT).

[@Over-for-now]

​@@michaelcabezas1667 lm thankful for a God of absolute sovereignty

[@Over-for-now]

How do you answer John 1:13 It's not the WILL of man or the FLESH ??? Only of God

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now Modified Calvinistic paraphrase: “But as many as [were already born of God] received him, to them [who were already born of God] gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them [who were already born of God] that believe on his name: Which were born, not [because] of blood, nor [because] of the will of the flesh, nor [because] of the will of man, but [because] of God.” Calvinists take the portion of the passage which speaks of the nature of our new birth, and infer it as the means to come to Christ. The problem is that regeneration is in Christ, and we do not become sealed in Him until after we believe, as per Ephesians 1:13. Thus, Calvinism is out of order. Norman Geisler: “God is the source by which the new birth is given (v.13), but free will is the means by which it is ‘received’ (v.12). It is ‘by’ grace but ‘through’ (Greek: dia) faith that we are saved (Eph. 2:8).” (Chosen But Free, p.60)

[@timmason925]

Well as soon as he spoke about Lordship salvation being false he lost credibility! The bible is clear, repent and believe, by their fruits you shall know them, also it’s a call to discipleship!

[@Donasavedbygrace]

Repent of what?

[@timmason925]

@@Donasavedbygrace repent of going your own way in life to Gods way! It’s part of salvation!

[@Donasavedbygrace]

@@timmason925 Repent is a charge of mind from unbelief to belief in Jesus as the savior. The Gospel is Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again. Salvation is a birth issue and not a growth issue. Did you turn your way when you were in your mother's womb? You would be able To do that after being born, the same as being born again which is the only condition to be saved. Once you are saved the you should grow. salvation is not the same as discipleship. Judas was a disciple but he was not saved.

[@Jerold-bu3ul]

​@timmason925 so according to you, salvation is up to us?

[@ralphparker923]

Belief in Jesus is not just belief in him as savior. It is agreeing with him about your sinfulness and need for him. The heart must change to reject sin. God does not offer eternal life to anyone who is unwilling to turn from their sin. If you're not a follower, you really don't have a promise of forgiveness. The idea that salvation belongs to those who merely see that they are sinners and know that Jesus died for sinners, is wishful thinking for a persistent sinner. If you are presently follow Jesus, you can rest secure, even if that following involves some sinning. But if you are not presently living for Him, you don't have reason to feel secure. Matthew 24:13 , "But the one who endures to the end will be saved." The "one who endures" does not mean "those who keep believing they were saved in the past and they can never lose it no matter what else they do" will be saved. That's belief in half of a Jesus. He is to be seen and treated as Lord, if he is to be Savior. The Christian faith is not just always reminding yourself that you are saved by Jesus merits. It may involve that, but it is not just that. The heart must change and renounce sin and turn toward God for direction and strength. Safety is for those who keep looking to God, not those who used to look to God.

[@Over-for-now]

Leave Calvin out. Scriptures clearly teach our inability, our deadness, our love of darkness, our thoughts of the gospel as foolishness, our hate towards God, on and on Just come to Jesus and HE will NOT cast you out BUT HE ABSOLUTELY CHOSE you and caused you to SEE your need

[@John3.36]

no

[@Over-for-now]

@@John3.36 that's rebellion against the God of the WORD. I pray you will find peace in the finished work Jesus accomplished FOR salvation

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now Rebellion against Calvinism, not God's word. The two are not the same.

[@Over-for-now]

@@John3.36. You should present Paul's gospel instead of being obsessed with calvin. The FINISHED work Jesus accomplished.

[@John3.36]

@@Over-for-now you should drop Calvin instead of perverting the gospel with his teachings.

[@hondotheology]

strawmen all of it but nice job anyway

[@John3.36]

He has a more in-depth one here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d32pmJxpfJ5nitE

[@Jerold-bu3ul]

Wow, hondo, care to explain how you think it a strawman?