Dr Gad Saad: Science Shows The Link Between Birth Order & IQ!

[@TheDiaryOfACEOClips]

You can watch the full episode here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5ich4tpabKGi6M

[@njr1222]

Very simple really: heaps of undue expectation and often strictness are applied to the first child or two. By the time the last comes along, the parents are often more settled, mature and attuned to the needs of the child. The youngest tend to be spoiled for creative time with greater scope for play. Many first born regret and resent many of the traumas and instability they had to go through often from having to grow up too quick, so that those who came after could learn from their experience and have an easier ride. But capacity for creativity is invariably innate in some more than others irrespective of birth order. It’s about finding, harnessing and exploiting that potential within and transforming into something grounded and applicable.

[@1ktales]

Some of these arguments feel pretty flawed. In the case of last-borns being the first to adopt new products, that feels more likely just the result of somebody being younger where younger people -- regardless of birth order -- are more likely to adopt new technologies. As for the claims regarding creativity, I'm curious how they'd even attempt to measure that, since creativity comes in many forms.

[@michellelight6257]

I agree. It is just nature vs nurture. If you give the same treatment to any kid of any birth order, they will turn out that way. Birth order does not matter. It speaks more about how the parents (and their siblings) treat the children, nothing else. You can get a first born to behave like a last born if you discouraged rigid thinking and encouraged exploration. It is just nature vs nurture. Their genes are already set because of the parents so nurture becomes the greater factor.

[@jackdeniston6150]

Write down the uses for a brick no. = good proxy for creativity. Also, I would expect the first born is least neglected

[@williamk4356]

Whatever last born 😂😂

[@youngflexman]

Sounds very first born of you😂

[@fixityahnow1252]

I posted this twice but to me The answer is simple. Knowledge leads to success. Parents realized what they had done wrong. Older siblings learned from their mistakes and pass it to their sibling who they love. Its much easier for someone who is properly guided to be successfully .No one cares about you to guide you unlike your close family esp siblings and your road is much easier. Plus the younger ones have more financial help, problem solved

[@fixityahnow1252]

The answer is simple. Knowledge leads to success. Parents realised what they had done wrong. Older siblings learned from their mistakes. Its much easier for someone who is properly guided to be successful and no one cares about you to guide you unlike your close family and friends answer solved.

[@Butterflybanter]

I’m a first born. My theory is that first borns tend to view everything that happens as being about them. Not necessarily in an egotistical way. More in a literal way. Mom or dad is upset because of me or happy because of me. Because who else could be? Last borns don’t assume it’s about them. I tend to get twisted up about things that happen and I want to know why. But I want to know why based on my assumption it’s because of me! The idea it’s not computes on a mental level but not on an emotional level. Thanks for the much needed aha moment!

[@nubia7418]

I’m the youngest & I seem to be the most positive & creative out the 3 of us.

[@outsidethebox262]

My take on it? Youngest will always get the best influence. Any mistakes the parents realized, would be corrected. If not, the siblings will help.

[@chestchirecateyes]

The arguments presented are intriguing, but I disagree with their conclusions. The conditions individuals face, regardless of their birth order, either inspire creativity or do not. For example, consider a firstborn in a family with limited resources. That firstborn may find innovative ways to supplement their family's needs, whether through meal preparation or other means. This is a form of creativity. Therefore, the environment plays a more significant role in shaping who individuals become.

[@LordMondegrene]

Loved "Born to Rebel" it helped me understand & distance from my abusive psychologist family. I was their lab rat. 😢

[@Milestonemonger]

My older sibling is a liberal activist. My younger sibling is an alcoholic and drug user. I'm the middle child, conservative Trump supporter.

[@ianwickens4376]

"I'm the middle child, conservative Trump supporter" That's sad

[@michellelight6257]

I completely disagree with this pseudoscience being discussed here. Any kid of any birth order can be made to turn out like a kid of another birth order. Since their genetics are already determined by the parents, nurture becomes the greater factor in why they turn out drastically different from their siblings. Birth order itself holds no meaning and is not a new discovery. This is just nature vs nurture all over again, which has already been discovered and instantiated. Just record how a kid was treated as a kid and you can determine their life outcome compared to their siblings especially when their genetics are very similar to their siblings who are the only ones being compared to here. Differences in life outcome (or personality traits) based on birth order says more about how a child was treated by their parents and siblings than has anything to do with birth order. Elon Musk is the oldest of three. Birth order pseudoscience is just nature vs nurture.

[@nialeemaria]

While I agree with your premise, it doesn’t negate the usefulness of birth order research. There are demonstrable and predictable patterns in how parents instinctively tend to relate to children due to birth order. The firstborn is always going to be subjected to your first attempts-from diaper changes to discipline. The younger kids will always be watching and learning from the elders. There are just so many aspects of the nurture side of the equation that are easier to dissect in the context of birth order.

[@wesselmartens1621]

Spot on.

[@8traceur90]

Read my thoughts

[@carneliancaryatid]

Did you even listen to the video before you popped off?

[@michellelight6257]

@@nialeemaria Fair enough but I tend to think anything oversimplified like birth order is not real science. You can tell from the video that they really want to feel special. They keep talking about it like it is their horoscopes or something. Very strange.

[@dacokc]

Wife and I are both middle children. My dad was a middle child. My mother was also a middle child.

[@nialeemaria]

Isn’t birth order already worked into a lot of matchmaking folk wisdom? My grandmother and her cousins always stressed how important it was for me to court fellow firstborns. My husband and I have discussed a lot how both being firstborns contributes to shared traits that strengthen our relationship. Shared experiences, such as the weight of being responsible for other people from a young age, shape everything from interpersonal skills to stress triggers.

[@Slimurgical]

"The Youngest sibling is more likely to be more creative" Well that's news to me because both my sisters, of which are time-delayed twins, are less creative than I am by a mile. There's no such thing as inborn talent, there's only such thing as commitment and consistency in it. Anyone can become a master of any singular thing at any point in their life so long as they apply themselves wholly to it. Children usually don't judge themselves, they don't doubt, they really only fear when they are given reason to. Adults often judge and doubt themselves for no productive reason, and this interferes with their ability to commit to learning. Passion = Talent and human capacity for passion is not unique, everyone has it in equal measures, everyone just can bring it out in differing measures because of conditions and methods. The Dunning-Kruger Effect applies to doctors and scientists as well as the layperson.

[@fathinuur4639]

Are you older than them?

[@bluewizzard8843]

Really interesting. Thank you for that Interview.

[@bluebutterflywellness2273]

💩 Theory. At least in my case. As the youngest by ten years, I am resented, overlooked and rejected--not spoiled and indulged. Learned how to pave my own path by having to survive on my own. I am happier because I had complete freedom from sheer neglect.

[@erikaberrio8927]

when considering marital satisfaction-consider age of each when married; he’s the youngest, i’m the oldest- But … he’s 12 years older than me - variables people ! jeesh

[@soozs]

Nah! Not in my family!

[@ID-ce1in]

I was allowed to do anything as the oldest child. My parents never once asked me to revise and so it didn’t feel like a chore. I excelled in school as an older child and was left to roam free. My younger siblings wee treated far more strictly and didn’t do so well in school. However, I have an older half brother who had the same experience at me and struggled the most. The dynamics will be different for everyone right?

[@Jaxson-f4e]

Correlation does not imply causation

[@thepiccards2105]

This guy is a quack

[@maissahmad1623]

This is typically what they call in science CONFIRMATION BIAS

[@furtrapper11]

Thomas Sowell wrote about the first born having higher IQ because they got more adult attention as infants.

[@SKAA19]

have you asked him about his thoughts regarding genocide?

[@Jer.616]

My guess is he's not too supportive of the genocide of Jews...

[@ianwickens4376]

He's an atheist.

[@suedavis7451]

Parents give more attention to the first born then tire as kids come along.

[@TervelBG]

Seems like all the people disagreeing are providing anecdotal evidence. Which by definition... Arent evidence. Its accepted by everyone , that the younger the parents are, the healthier the kids are. But somehow the people that agree with this fact suddenly get offended when the 'healthy' part also includes intelligence.

[@nim3186]

Explains why they only want us to have “obedient” one child per family 😂

[@oldtrowt]

Flawed.

[@BryJovi17]

I'm complicated. I was the youngest born. Only until my half-sister was born in 2008... There's a 20 year age gap between us though and I never lived/grew up with her and she didn't live or grow up with me. So technically in my childhood household and structure, I was the last born. But I'm not married, and never actually had a girlfriend, yet my older sister has now been married twice. Is there any science behind this...?

[@michellelight6257]

Birth order science is pseudoscience. It is just rehashed nature vs nurture.

[@dacokc]

I think birth order stuff only applies within a certain age gap between the kids.. 10+ years the youngest mine as will be a “only child “..

[@valerie4912]

I’d wanna know the astrological sign of the last born too 🤔

[@apuulivisuals]

This one felt flat to me. Not convinced at all...even with all the scientific explanations

[@michellelight6257]

I agree. The way parents (and siblings) treat a child is what determines how they turn out, not their birth order. You can get a child of any birth order to behave like any other birth order if you treat them a certain. Birth order is completely useless to look at. Just record how the parents (and older siblings) treated the child.

[@bluewizzard8843]

​@@michellelight6257so having older siblings has no Impact? Yeah Sure think again.

[@apuulivisuals]

Children process what they see done...not so much what is said around them. The former shapes their character traits. Character for me is a launch pad to it all...same way I believe being creative is acquired. There for the taking...especially where there's guidance

[@michellelight6257]

@@bluewizzard8843 If you remove the older siblings from the house or get the older siblings to treat the child a certain way, you can get the child to become anything. The actual birth order does not matter. You could adopt older kids into the house with your first born and the first born will start behaving like a last born even though they are first born. The birth order is secondary and should not be treated like it is the actual reason. The actual reason was how the child was treated, not their birth order.

[@leannesampson3199]

Sorry, i think the hypotesis that youngest children are inately more creative is seriously flawed - maybe because both of theses men are youngest and so like to think of theselves as "the creatives". Birth order to a degree can/does influence upbringing, and with that can influence personality development, but there are many many other complicating factors, including individual inate personality, parental response and treatment of different children and their personality, sibling/s treatment of each other anongst themselves, outside influences, etc, etc. Factors in life tgat affect ones personality and development are way too complex and unpredictable than to simplistically attribute creativity to being the youngest/last born in a family

[@kalasue7]

I’m 14 out of 15. I guess I had n-13 niche roles to choose as a kid.

[@FREEPALESTINESHITREAL]

Is your mom okay

[@D4ngeresque]

Did only children count as last borns in his statistics?

[@drleo6409]

My wife and I are both 3rd. As he had 1 younger brother but he is a big baby unwilling to take care of himself . But my wife and I are both very independent willing to be self employed.

[@kforest2745]

I disagree it’s not the way the parents raise them your personality is already determined in the womb and as nature does have patterns your personality can be expected to be the personality it is in the order it comes, so the question is what is nature communicating through that birth order what is the subject is it biology is it chemistry is it physics etc it’ll be all of the above

[@Kyndeyern]

😂😂😂😂 Come on guys

[@sacrificesacrifice178]

Coming from the same person that consider Jews are god chosen people😅

[@ianwickens4376]

Except that he is not a Jew.

[@danieloleary1067]

Rubbish. Utter nonsense. " Specialists " in any field convey a false sense of certainty.

[@michellelight6257]

I agree. They were talking complete nonsense.

[@hlbjk]

yeah.........bullshit.

[@michellelight6257]

I agree.

[@bluewizzard8843]

What an intelligent thought. Had any other of that kind yesterday? 😂

[@troygallaty4361]

Typical first born response 😂

[@loniwilliams82]

​@@troygallaty4361 I came to comment just that. 😂