I couldn't even imagine how I would react finding out my child did what he did. That would mentally destroy me.
@garethmurray59012 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Michael Gove is really h0t.
@leeleethelibra9812 жыл бұрын
No for real… I couldn’t imagine that
@rhondashepherd17092 жыл бұрын
Q
@kariann31982 жыл бұрын
His father created him, abused neglected corrupted Dahmer they killed animals together his father is a sociopath himself ASPD+NPD factor 2
@mrautismo4202 жыл бұрын
Top 10 Bruh moments
@pipandkip2 жыл бұрын
His mother leaving him did NOT turn him into a serial killer, no more than Hitler's rejection from art school turned him into a genocidal maniac. It's terrifying to accept, but there's no reliable root for psychopathy.
@lisaparsons92532 жыл бұрын
Agreed. However his mothers mental illness and overly prescribed diet of medications while pregnant im sure DID contribute to his major chemical imbalance in his brain. And her total abandonment and lack of motherly anything im didnt help him. Just a thought
@brendaedgehill77612 жыл бұрын
Exactly I concur
@MelodyLovesGod2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@alannahwilloughby68852 жыл бұрын
psychopathy results from a complex combination of genetic and environmental factors.
@createart80322 жыл бұрын
Didn't they say his mother left and took his brother but not him... She probably left with his brother because they knew that Jeffrey was messed up. And I think Jeffrey's father has everything to do with this, I think Jeffrey witnessed some things done by his father.. And that's all I'm going to say.
@bobbyp7403 Жыл бұрын
Watching Jeff's parents trying to defend and understand the actions of their son is heartbreaking I can't imagine the nightmares they have
@SlaytanicLexi Жыл бұрын
Even though Jeffrey was wicked wrong. Now this is just my opinion. The parents feel probably some sort of guilt. And usually a parents love is undeniable so I think that’s why. I think they love him a lot any parent unless they are dead beats will do anything for their child. It’s sad but it is what it is
@thesmartoneification Жыл бұрын
@@SlaytanicLexi no dip Lexi
@heidib9981 Жыл бұрын
@@thesmartoneificationthat was rude
@josephineananda Жыл бұрын
@@SlaytanicLexi Apparently both parents have character disorders.
@alb3405 Жыл бұрын
I mean the father did have the same type of issues but he just never acted on it like his son did. So it’s like he could relate.
@DarthDaddy-ib2jx2 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Lionel it’s been 30 years and he is still being haunted by his sons actions and the media will never stop pushing these serial killers
@GENERALWACKASS2 жыл бұрын
I would be too
@caterinascarcella2 жыл бұрын
The story that won’t go away
@blloge2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there is a huge demand for learning about these sick f:/~Ks!
@Matt_Wilson012 жыл бұрын
Media won’t stop pushing them because of OUR morbid curiosity, you clicked on this video didn’t you, you’re part of the problem kid
@jacquelinegodin35492 жыл бұрын
He has always welcomed media interviews
@LadyVader332 жыл бұрын
Animal cruelty from a young age is a tell-tale warning of pending psychopathy
@skeetyeet3928 Жыл бұрын
i was looking for a comment to reply this to, every child has certain ways they learn to comfort themselves with the uncomfortable so when you let your child collect animal viscera, his psychology is subject to trauma a child can’t simply comprehend, and for him to develop sexual attraction for organs and mutilation, his mother leaving was simply a catalyst to all of this, with no motherly connection freud would have had a field day with the reason this man chose to commit such vile atrocities.
@heatherunicorn-sparkles1724 Жыл бұрын
I dont think I follow. @@skeetyeet3928
@oppothumbs1 Жыл бұрын
@@skeetyeet3928 His mother leaving had little to do with Jeff's brutality. She was not a good mother all along. Freud has some nice theories, most of which don't hold water. Perhaps his Interpretation of Dreams holds the most water. I think ID Twin Studies separated at birth show the greater importance of biology over environment, not that environment is not very imporant.
@SaraMKay11 ай бұрын
We know that now, because psychiatrists had the opportunity to study “psychopaths “ before they got executed and took their stories to their graves
@oppothumbs111 ай бұрын
@@SaraMKay Research has revealed that 25 percent of aggressive inmates had committed multiple acts of animal abuse as children. Forty-five percent of school shooters had histories of alleged animal cruelty, and 21 percent of serial murderers admitted to childhood animal abuse. I made a point earlier that Biology Rules and this is probably more true with serial killers. And maybe head trauma too plays a role. "British child psychiatrist Stephen Scott, an expert in childhood and adolescent antisocial behavior, explains that “unlike regular antisocial behavior, serial killers seem to be born rather than made, with a Heritability of 80 percent of the characteristics being due to genes, whereas with ordinary antisocial and later criminal behavior, it is only 30 percent.”
@Jay-yw3kk Жыл бұрын
Now that he’s passed away I feel a bit of relief for him that he no longer has to constantly have the thoughts of what his son had done, that must have been imaginable of what he has mentally went through
@mariadonkova2759 Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe he’s dead 😞
@borkboxtv8167 Жыл бұрын
Wait when did he pass??
@ZaZy4MIL Жыл бұрын
@@borkboxtv8167dec 5
@Bella-k7g Жыл бұрын
@@borkboxtv81675 December 2023
@ari-p6p Жыл бұрын
@@borkboxtv8167december 5
@embrace_masculinity3332 жыл бұрын
Its actually crazy how his father has the same voice with the actor that plays him
@YoungCorleone2 жыл бұрын
ON GOD BRO sounds exactly alike
@TJBoykin982 жыл бұрын
All he needs is the glasses
@acceptable16092 жыл бұрын
He also sounds like the real Jeffrey Dahmer.
@nadinetoussaint2392 жыл бұрын
The actor played him ; his really an actor.
@Elboud2 жыл бұрын
He sounds like Jeffrey dahmer
@MacBobby14082 жыл бұрын
Damn the Netflix series definitely had the perfect actor to play Jeffery’s father.
@kathleenmacdonald38782 жыл бұрын
Even the voice is the same
@aprilrodriguez58742 жыл бұрын
Yes right !!! I said the same thing.. 😮
@soroushkeshavarz49992 жыл бұрын
The voice is identical I mean evan peters voice is close to jeff but I can't tell the difference between Jeff's real father voice and the actor at all
@Jeppe072 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@CeeCee3552 жыл бұрын
Yeeesssss I was thinking the same thing
@spike16965 Жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine what family members of serial killers think and feel knowing their own loved ones did such evil things
@daddyshawnda Жыл бұрын
jeff’s niece said she’s very disturbed and is afraid she’s gonna turn out like him 😭
@AUDHDlucy Жыл бұрын
@olivia-ci7tq hey, I was treat pretty crappily as a kid. I always say to my mum how terrified I am of ending up like the men she dated, and eventually I realised something. If you have the ability to fear becoming like these people, it is because you are a good person that would never be like that.
@davidlea515511 ай бұрын
They are victims too.
@daddyshawnda11 ай бұрын
@@davidlea5155 yeah fr
@guitarshaq9 ай бұрын
Even worse when the family lives every day ,like that person done nothing
@ssunnybunniasmr2 жыл бұрын
rip to those 17 men who lost their lives. my heart goes out to their families.
@Johndoe700002 жыл бұрын
Men and boys
@ssunnybunniasmr2 жыл бұрын
@@Johndoe70000 yep
@AklamiIkq2 жыл бұрын
The youngest was 14
@obiwan96622 жыл бұрын
I heard there could be more unidentified bodies
@shazhamilton51602 жыл бұрын
@@obiwan9662 there's talk that he was responsible for a lot of disappearances when he was in the army but no concrete proof
@shaneevans57232 жыл бұрын
I think the meds his mom was on while she was pregnant should not be dismissed. Those drugs, if given to the wrong person, can change an adults brain for the worse. Now imagine a developing fetus being exposed to all that. Not saying it explains everything, but it could have been a necessary part of all this.
@mayurakutappa16262 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree
@bernadettewhite30332 жыл бұрын
I’ve said this so many time totally agree !!
@lourdezramirez31272 жыл бұрын
I agree! i was prescribed antidepressants and my baby stopped moving for days! Decided to stop taking them after a few weeks and she was back to normal and active. Medicine definitely affects fetuses even when they claim it doesn't
@lovelyrich542 жыл бұрын
True!
@iroksdub87132 жыл бұрын
Gtfoh
@seanodonnell486 Жыл бұрын
Jeff's younger brother David changed is last name when all of this went down. He did not go to his brother's trial or visit him in prison. He did not engage with the news media at all, and has continued to live in anonymity ever since.
@RagingBull-go7lo5 ай бұрын
Well I don’t blame David.
@marwatson74085 ай бұрын
Yes I heard he changed his name and even moved to another country to get away from all of this .
@salmansengul4 ай бұрын
Understandable! Have a nice day!
@LauraBlair-ut5ns4 ай бұрын
Makes sense to me.
@brigitte2212 ай бұрын
J'aurais fait comme lui.
@tonyabarrett8222 жыл бұрын
It's sad seeing him as a baby, and then looking at what he became
@berrybliss81842 жыл бұрын
It’s very sad. That’s something ive had to try to get my head round while studying this case which I’m weirdly obsessed with. I don’t usually jump onto Netflix trends but this really gave me a new perspective on life, and career path. Very upsetting to see how an innocent boy can have sinister things developing in his brain while looking so.. innocent. Very sad the monster he became.
@europeanguy8773 Жыл бұрын
He had it in him since he was born, it just hadn't yet developed into the complex psychological trait he was going to exhibit later on. Psychopaths are natural born. There are kids that have had a much rougher childhood and never hurt others let alone take someone's life.
@pbufh Жыл бұрын
What do u mean? He didn't even look evil when he committed / got charged.
@tonyabarrett822 Жыл бұрын
@@pbufh you clearly didnt understand what i was addressing.
@Faget888 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyabarrett822dum
@shellos82 жыл бұрын
It wasn't just 1 thing that turned Jeffrey into who he was. It was a perfect storm of many things, including his own DNA.
@doeeyes22 жыл бұрын
Head injuries can also have a major impact on psychopathy. I heard he had one, not sure if its true tho. I cant bring myself to watch the show... mostly because I love the actor and dont want to ruin it 😅
@nevermore99x302 жыл бұрын
@@doeeyes2 the show is awesome ! They chose the PERFECT actor to play Jeff...it just gives you all the more reason to love the actor, he's brilliant
@litty45532 жыл бұрын
Mother figure in psychopathy is often distant but dominant, emotionally neglectful and a father figure passive or missing
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
@@doeeyes2 he didn't have a head injury
@Bradley94belletire2 жыл бұрын
Bullying does it too.
@S4n4389 Жыл бұрын
This man looks completely broken , I can’t feel anything but empathy and admiration for him
@HollyB-b3t Жыл бұрын
Well he would hardly be happy and talking with Pride about his Sons achievements like what most parents from the Planet f......king Earth do.
@derkilleravalo8260 Жыл бұрын
Shame on u
@HollyB-b3t Жыл бұрын
@@derkilleravalo8260 you love the b......ard killer Dahmer? Shame on you. Tell that to the families this losers son killed.
@0neWayUp Жыл бұрын
@@derkilleravalo8260what's to be ashamed?
@derkilleravalo8260 Жыл бұрын
@@0neWayUp Lionel dhamer Is a fuckn psycho....
@jtr823692 жыл бұрын
The guy who played the father in the series was the perfect fit.
@berrybliss81842 жыл бұрын
IKR
@winniethebubbly8 ай бұрын
I feel like everyone was a perfect fit! They did such a good job with recreating the locations too
@tafl-9198Ай бұрын
Even the voice is the same
@lalice6632 жыл бұрын
his father is very well spoken, I don’t know how I would’ve coped knowing this became a worldwide story and how to even begin processing it all. big respect, my thoughts are with the victims 🤍
@manarmarzouk85952 жыл бұрын
It’s fishy. He is fishy.
@jim42502 жыл бұрын
By pain suffering and stress. Deep pain.
@jeffo832 жыл бұрын
what kind though, cod,haddock, cobbler, or carp?
@beezlebub9 Жыл бұрын
Because he was a very intelligent man who wrote a book about it; that probably helped him process and heal.
@marley1995 Жыл бұрын
@@beezlebub9he groomed his child to do these things
@helenhighwater531310 ай бұрын
I seem to remember from back when all this horror story went down that JD's father said there was "total" neglect of him when the parents split. He lived on his own unsupervised with no input of love or parenting during his adolescent years. Reminds me of the old saying, "an idle mind is the devil's workshop".
@Vee0777Күн бұрын
An empty house that being invade by spirits That's how children are, they still not properly understand the world, so when family is broken or both parents are not in unity, the children be the soft prey for the lion No guarding fence at all for these children minds The battle on spiritual realm mostly happen in mind The doubt or the faith The evil or the good And what someone give power to one side, it become stronger and louder voice/counsel to the mind of the person
@Jactional2 жыл бұрын
The fact the father and Evan Peter's played the roles so well in Dahmer on Netflix is insane... they even sound alike.
@supernothing772 жыл бұрын
He was in stepbrothers too
@roycepavich2441 Жыл бұрын
Richard Jenkins is his name, brilliant actor.
@toddsmith1969 Жыл бұрын
@@supernothing77 that's mainly what I know him from haha
@wellinever15589 ай бұрын
maybe they used his voice
@mattsniper3625 ай бұрын
Idk I found Peters portrayal as over the top. He was trying too hard to play Jeff as weird and creepy. It was v American and over the top.
@softsapphic19762 жыл бұрын
Stephen Hicks, Steven Tuomi, Jamie Doxtator, Richard Guerrero, Anthony Sears, Eddie Smith, Ricky Beeks, Ernest Miller, David Thomas, Curtis Straughter, Errol Lindsey, Tony Hughes, Konerak Sinthasomphone, Matt Turner, Jeremiah Weinberger, Oliver Lacy and Joseph Bradeholt. May they and their families find peace
@TheBigSmoker8 ай бұрын
Rip
@KinjiUrba6 ай бұрын
This is something that irritates me. The serial killer is talked about so much, but the victims?? Most people don't know their names. Thank you.
@masterpee23284 ай бұрын
May their souls rest in peace 😢
@adilmyrat32103 ай бұрын
Jeff's brother was also named David
@TheHilikus893 ай бұрын
I feel so sad about all of the victims but Konerak's case breaks me the most I literally cry about it 😢
@troubleinthevalley58842 жыл бұрын
Wow, the dad's voice sounds surprisingly similar to Evan Peters' voice in his portrayal of Jeffrey Dahmer. They did pick a really good actor to play him in that Netflix show. Both of them, actually.
@s4mcote2 жыл бұрын
Richard Jenkins is amazing.
@keijokaljo76222 жыл бұрын
Evan Peter's didn't portray the father though...
@fartfingers2 жыл бұрын
@@keijokaljo7622 no that's not what she meant
@Brespam Жыл бұрын
When he said jeffrey said he couldnt have one foot square of his own property i instantly thought of evan peters portray of jeffreys whinning 🤣
@troubleinthevalley5884 Жыл бұрын
@@keijokaljo7622 ummmm yeah I know. Which is why I said Evan Peters portrayal of Jeffrey.....? I was just pointing out that the dad's voice sounds similar to Evans portrayal of Jeffrey. Maybe I didn't make that clear?
@samip31242 жыл бұрын
The actor who played his father has best performance in whole series
@TG-fq6vy Жыл бұрын
We get it. About 1000 people on here have already said it🤦♀️
@HydeGLA Жыл бұрын
No lol even had the best
@Yehoshua66 Жыл бұрын
@@HydeGLA not even. the woman who played his neighbor was so compelling.
@HydeGLA Жыл бұрын
@@Yehoshua66 I think even was the best but I agree I can’t think of many bad performances in the show
@Yehoshua66 Жыл бұрын
@@HydeGLA very true. the whole cast was stellar.
@anemone9081 Жыл бұрын
I am really grateful to the parents that they made the effort to shed so much more light on this case. It is always better to know more than having to deal with this unclarity of why things happened.
@Shannon-vv6rr Жыл бұрын
They refused to give the victims families the money from Jeff's trial and wanted to keep it 👍
@celestebenamara6606 Жыл бұрын
The pain they must feel I can't even imagine. Even if he was born that way ,the feeling of guilt is inevitable.
@lucidlabyrinth2 жыл бұрын
Of course Dr Phil has to capitalize off it now that it's trending lol
@DaFridaification2 жыл бұрын
😂 exactly
@floresnashvilledrummer Жыл бұрын
Damn. The way the step mom jumped in and immediately correct Dr. Phil at the beginning was... interesting.
@ADORABEL2511 ай бұрын
Thisb
@lindasharp85238 ай бұрын
My thoughts too
@katarzynamariamuszynska28117 ай бұрын
Yes,what is the difference between Jeff or Jeffrey ? Is it important ?
@gemmaraine7 ай бұрын
@@katarzynamariamuszynska2811I think to her "Jeff" is their son, "Jeffrey" is the serial killer. May seem trivial to us, but to her there's a difference. That's just my take on it.
@PPM9027 ай бұрын
@@katarzynamariamuszynska2811she's trying to create distance from her and her son. The difference of formal language in addressing or referring to people
@chadiyoob1552 жыл бұрын
I always thought the heavy drug use his mother was involved in during her pregnancy with Jeff played a part
@juliehernandez802 жыл бұрын
That’s true. Like the Parkland Shooter - his mom was using drugs while pregnant with him.
@1rage172 жыл бұрын
Yeah there’s so much mixed up stuff said about his life, I thought she was abusing her prescriptions too
@aneriafreelove34312 жыл бұрын
@@1rage17it messed up is mitochondria solace
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
Well it probably didn't. There was a cat scan done on Jeffrey's brain before the trial and no brain abnormalities were found. She was also on medication with David and he turned out fine
@oceanfive52 жыл бұрын
She wasn’t on drugs, she was on medication from the doctors
@shairanarido34442 жыл бұрын
Lionel Dahmer's actor sounds exactly like the real guy.
@jazzybattles65472 жыл бұрын
Yea he does
@andrewhazenberg3398 Жыл бұрын
His father and stepmother seem like very nice caring people. I really hope they are doing ok and they are not being harassed by idiots .
@nicolemonrue Жыл бұрын
They get death threats constantly
@andrewhazenberg3398 Жыл бұрын
@@nicolemonrue There are so many ignorant idiots out there . The parents had nothing to do with what Jeff Dahmer did .😞
@sahratank7504 Жыл бұрын
They seem ,,,doesnt mean they are caring people!
@Faget888 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewhazenberg3398😂
@Glitch_sa_Mhaitris Жыл бұрын
They give off a bad vibe
@KatieBellino2 жыл бұрын
"We don't relate to Jeffrey. He's Jeff." Fakest smile ever. Yeah, mom's a piece of work and I've only gotten into the interview 15 seconds.
@almasakic11482 жыл бұрын
that's the stepmom not the mom.
@manarmarzouk85952 жыл бұрын
That’s the girlfriend not the mom
@tinanichols89311 ай бұрын
Lots of stepmothers are snarky like this. Deep, down inside, they don’t want to be bothered with the problem kids of a former marriage. They’re just kicking themselves for falling in love with a man who has so much baggage. It’s too bothersome for them to deal with. Well, it’s their fault. They knew what they were getting into.
@Heeter_2311 ай бұрын
She's creepy too...
@linnetmbotto721211 ай бұрын
Just a way to intimidate so as not to be asked a lot of questions
@andrewsimpson2808 Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy how well they cast him for the series
@Pinkranger87 Жыл бұрын
The father just recently passed away
@amberpearce22211 ай бұрын
Rip ❤
@catherineu511814 күн бұрын
@@DapancakesnekVR🤦♀️
@Joe-g7i2i12 күн бұрын
Nobody cares!!
@Lientjes2 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey has the voice of his father
@kariann31982 жыл бұрын
There both sociopaths except the father has ASPD+NPD not ASPD+BPD+SPD like dahmer
@K0r1ISH3R32 жыл бұрын
Yes, it's almost like... He's his father.
@ambermcdonald13022 жыл бұрын
We don't know, we don't relate to Jeffrey 🤣🤣🤣
@bloodmoonvampire66322 жыл бұрын
Omg he does 😱 never even noticed till I saw your comment.
@TristanZakaUllah2 жыл бұрын
Yea😍
@parisinthe30sx2 жыл бұрын
My husbands grandma taught him and his wife tennis. Had no idea who they were until later on, said they were really nice people
@dayasankar27772 жыл бұрын
@@jcldctt his parents are nice. He is the serial killer after all
@GunnersMom972 жыл бұрын
@@jcldctt what makes you think they aren't nice people?!
@parisinthe30sx2 жыл бұрын
@@GunnersMom97 did I say I didn't think they were? No.
@whyieyesyadonpiano2 жыл бұрын
@@GunnersMom97 oh idk, one family member is a psychopathic rapist & cannibal & the others raised him? Wtf kind of question is that?
@kathleendobens66482 жыл бұрын
Don't listen to the trolls. It's ridiculous you can't say anything.
@dvdbosch7 ай бұрын
Dr. Phil: "So your son Jeffrey murdered seventeen people" Stepmom: "HIS NAME IS JEFF!" 😠
@fvfr62945 ай бұрын
🎯💯🤣
@stancexpunks2 жыл бұрын
Imagine opening a locked box belonging to your son and finding a human head.
@iluvsubliminals2 жыл бұрын
😰🤢🤮🤮🤮
@M101533 Жыл бұрын
You'd be like...."This is unacceptable, you're grounded for a whole month."
@lr35216 ай бұрын
I know lmfao
@distinctlydri28312 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day, Jeff was allowed to run free and that how he was able to get away with a lot. Living near a wooded area wasn’t the problem. He was a legal adult when his mom left. Abandonment issues are the root of a lot of this.
@llnnie2 жыл бұрын
People have worse abandonment issues and are still functioning members of society. The root of the problem was his demented perceptions of fulfilling an inhuman lust that is most likely a genetic problem with his brain. Although, the abandonment issues definitely did make this worse.
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
His mom leaving him for a few weeks at 18 hardly qualifies as abandonedment. He did not even want to go with her even though she asked him to 🙄
@llnnie2 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDog Okay? 😂 everyone already knows that. (i hope at least)
@llnnie2 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDog That's not quite what I meant. If everybody handled these experiences the same as Dahmer, it would be genocidal. I'm making it 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳, in my original comment that everyone handles things differently. Dahmer handled things differently because of his inhuman lust to kill and cannibalize humans.
@lolasparks.45392 жыл бұрын
@@8luvbug He was 17 and she took his brother left him for good she never came back his Father was living with his stepmom somewhere else his whole family was gone. She didn't want him it's in the report of his Doctor .
@timjenkins7019 Жыл бұрын
This really peels back a layer most never think about. Lionel truly loved his son and was so devastated by his actions and death.
@The315fan Жыл бұрын
I come across so so many people who accuse Lionel of molesting and all sorts of horrible stuff.
@sandragonzales54942 жыл бұрын
Love how cold step mom is still turning Jeff's problems on his mother. They seem like a living embodiment of "distant, unloving parents" in medical literature.
@sandragonzales54942 жыл бұрын
@AntiFEMINISTandPROUD I can tell this is just a sad posting from some incel wanting attention. There...go hug yourself.
@erikanorman9282 жыл бұрын
I think his father loved him, just was also a product of his own environment
@EdinburghMayhem2 жыл бұрын
I think she's just really, really defensive. Heaven knows she'll have had enough practise.
@1rage172 жыл бұрын
Hard not to blame her for at least having part of it, but he as well should realize he was being neglectful, he was trying just not enough
@sin37012 жыл бұрын
@@1rage17 idk but in my point of view, there is big chance that the father must work more excesively than the mother to pay child support for jeff brother, pay the mortgage, jeff needs, and maybe his new gf/wife.. it is not that the father neglected it but the father need to work overtime.. I think the most main driving factor is what the father said that jeff relating his sexual desires with death of animal in his early teens..
@ddog42042 жыл бұрын
Being interested in oddities and liking bones does not mean that your going to be a killer
@old76772 жыл бұрын
Just have situational-awareness at all time, you never know
@julieantony58212 жыл бұрын
agree
@Oskar-o2d2 жыл бұрын
Um it kinda does. White ppl are weird
@mattjcrane2 жыл бұрын
It did for Jeffery though
@elliot43022 жыл бұрын
Its one thing to collect and another to have an obsession and killing for your bones
@bethanyriley50682 жыл бұрын
Dr. Phil never ages
@abbz21 Жыл бұрын
Lol so true
@ariesgirl67455 ай бұрын
anechdrome
@ezrathompsonАй бұрын
This is very old
@causetheplumstasteyum784826 күн бұрын
Very true , he was bald as a baby and remained bald ever since
@addicttt2 жыл бұрын
I feel so sorry and bad for Lionel..he doesn't deserve to go through this horrible experience and pain from all of this..how can he take this?
@faith1232 жыл бұрын
i feel worse for the victims families!!
@addicttt Жыл бұрын
@@faith123 I do as well. Its extremely upsetting to hear that your own child would do these horrible things to others. may the victims families heal🙏.
@emilsimonsen8256 Жыл бұрын
To be fair his parents "gave" him bpd (borderline personality disorder) witch is probably part of the reason he became a serial killer
@thenorseprodigy7466 Жыл бұрын
Nah, he deserves this pain for making and monster of a man.
@pearljamin Жыл бұрын
Probably in a money transfer but cash would be cool
@sheilawebb97462 жыл бұрын
These days, if a parent insisted on seeing what was in the box, the child's therapist would tell us we need to give our kid more privacy & have enough trust in them to give them that space.
@canadasweetie2 жыл бұрын
There’s a time to give them privacy and then there’s a time to follow your instincts when something feels wrong
@sheilawebb97462 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDog i know that i can be trusted. I'm more concerned about whether it's safe for me to trust them, not the other way around.
@sheilawebb97462 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDogwhy are you defending a serial killer? (I'm not referring to my kid, I'm referring to Jeffrey Dhamer.)
@sheilawebb97462 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDog but too much privacy enables more criminal behavior. Like there was the time he didn't kill someone he had intended to because of his grandma showing up. If he had more privacy on that one occasion, then that would have been one more murder victim who didn't escape him.
@stealthcat100 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@jakedaviscomedy Жыл бұрын
After hearing this I'm blown away how the actors in the show got the voices & mannerisms so dead on.
@science28572 жыл бұрын
I’m a counselor at a clinic, and we have these discussions amongst peers, it’s hard for me to blame a parent for such an extremely distorted person, unless there were “direct” grooming or involvement activities at play
@hekate19712 жыл бұрын
Its not about blame. Its about learning about this kind of behaviour so we know how to deal with it. We have a lot of sick/ill people and we need to deal with that fact. Putting them away is not the (only) answer. And besides that: you cant deny yhe external factors that trigger this behaviour. Its always a combination..nature and nurture.
@josephineananda2 жыл бұрын
The parents ignored and missed many opportunities to raise this boy differently. They bear some responsibility, even if they don't see it.
@science28572 жыл бұрын
@@hekate1971 is there a real answer, I mean we’re talking about cannibalism, which is very extreme, and what traits would serve as an indicator, how many parents raise “people eaters”?????
@mainecoon65142 жыл бұрын
@@josephineananda I don't know of any parent who hasn't made mistakes in raising their children. Mr. Dahmer obviously loved Jeff very much and never gave up on him, especially when his gruesome crimes dominated the news. The Dahmer's younger son didn't turn out like this. In fact, he changed his name so that he's not associated with Jeff and his atrocious crimes.
@josephineananda2 жыл бұрын
@@mainecoon6514 Their parenting mistakes are unforgivable.
@MoldRoss2 жыл бұрын
I love the amount of armchair psychologists in this comment section😂
@K-a-n-d-i-s2 жыл бұрын
It's the fun of KZbin though lol
@jjnouse88122 жыл бұрын
The audacity that the stepmother showed by scolding Dr Phil for referring to him as "Jeffrey." Total Karen Move.
@shemarthefreshest2 жыл бұрын
Chill.
@K-a-n-d-i-s2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I thought the same. Karen for sure !
@gevongrant6950 Жыл бұрын
I was like it doesn't matter if Dr.Phil called him Jeffrey or Jeff. We can him a monster.
@Visiblenightj Жыл бұрын
How she acted was totally unnecesarry and ignorant. Like what's the issue? His name is Jeffrey. Why expect random people to call a monster or anyone by their nickname lol. Although in the show, the step mother is really pleasant but in this video😵
@conorsmith85514 ай бұрын
@Visiblenightj probably their coping mechanism, I think they both had denial issues to come to terms with what he did that Jeffrey was a different person than Jeff
@bkohler892 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I had no idea his parents where still alive
@cammalone44572 жыл бұрын
Well his mom is dead but that’s him father and stepmother
@bkohler892 жыл бұрын
@@cammalone4457 o ok I didnt know that
@Laura-fh3sc2 жыл бұрын
It wasn't all that long ago
@badgurl57582 жыл бұрын
Only his father is alive.. he’s 86yr
@Salemaa2 жыл бұрын
@@badgurl5758 what about his step mom??
@qwertyouriop22 жыл бұрын
The Netflix shows casting was 10/10
@maxik2158 Жыл бұрын
Hitting someone with a barbell isn’t a accident 😂
@Bdkdklllvv Жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing. But this is his father so I guess he will probably do some mental gymnastics to make it seem not as bad 🤷♀️
@maxik2158 Жыл бұрын
@@Bdkdklllvv let’s put it this way , I get a hammer and I go up to someone and hit him , it wouldn’t be a accident because I choose to do it , no excuses, no reasons , no oops . Im Wrong from the start. I can’t go saying to the judge I accidentally hit this guy with the hammer , in society these day won’t see it that way.
@Yes_king6973 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think he means accident like opps sorry bonked your noggin. He means more out of impulse it wasn’t a pre mediated kill. Guy was most likely about to leave and Jeff freaked out.
@maxik2158 Жыл бұрын
@@Yes_king6973 Jeff didn’t want to be alone so he killed them so that he wouldn’t feel alone
@supposeyounever6752 жыл бұрын
Wow no one asked the lady he hadn’t even talked yet
@SalehQattan2 жыл бұрын
She's not his real mom, she didn't raise him
@juddy14142 жыл бұрын
She can be Shari? His second wife?
@sandragonzales54942 жыл бұрын
"Call the manager. His name is Jeff."
@jayxfrost89872 жыл бұрын
@@SalehQattan she's his stepmom who unlike his biological mother was very fond of him.
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
@@jayxfrost8987 That's not what Shari's friend said.. She said shari hated Jeffrey and David and was mad that Lionel had to play child support. Shari said in another interview that she wished Jeffrey was put down like a dog. Doesn't sound like a step mother who's loving. Jeffrey said his mom was a very comforting person when she could be.
@sirsmokeefortwence252 жыл бұрын
The spooky music is a little unnecessary lol
@klown8392 жыл бұрын
After what he did, she has the nerve to demand he refer to him as “Jeff”? LMAO that woman has some balls!
@TG-fq6vy Жыл бұрын
She comes across as incredibly cold and dangerous
@Rriellesmommy Жыл бұрын
i was looking to see if someone would mention that 😂
@dirtisbetterthandiamonds Жыл бұрын
Honestly they both creep me out
@Ettibridget Жыл бұрын
In his family he was always Jeff. The media did lot like the nickname so they went with Jeffrey.
@carriebrooks4174 Жыл бұрын
Y is she even there?
@chloefox84712 жыл бұрын
That was rich of the step-mom to say.
@fluffytail63552 жыл бұрын
She’s as much of a weirdo as her husband
@forrestemberscar60032 жыл бұрын
Shes seems like a bit of a karen tbh
@veepersart96252 жыл бұрын
Literally
@robynboone82562 жыл бұрын
So judgemental.
@chloefox84712 жыл бұрын
@@robynboone8256 how?
@ryancostello52882 жыл бұрын
that hair dye job would make me a serial killer too
@anthonymarks8684 Жыл бұрын
I’d rather be dead than red on the head 😂
@2004cyrus9 ай бұрын
Oh that is just color in a can
@JamesPartridge-u5y6 ай бұрын
My son is a serial killer. Don’t call him Jeffrey we call him Jeff. 😂 What an idiot.
@cjbrew342 жыл бұрын
Whoever played his father did a good job at him.
@blloge2 жыл бұрын
Yes he is a good actor been in many other good movies
@patrickc3419 Жыл бұрын
Richard Jenkins. Very talented character actor
@coredadventure12 жыл бұрын
I remember an interview with him where it came out of his own mouth that he had no idea why he was this way and that he had a good childhood is the way he put it he said his childhood wasn't perfect but he said in no way it led him to do this he didn't think he said he didn't have any idea why he was this way
@coredadventure12 жыл бұрын
@Sunny Lynn yeah perhaps did he say that I've never heard him say that but with what I heard that came out of his mouth he said it wasn't perfect but it wasn't horrible and didn't cause him to be this way which seems pretty damn accurate to me.... but I know that parents can really cause some damage I know mine did
@Indecisivetacos Жыл бұрын
Please use punctuation I had to read ur comment 3 times lmao
@hueyfreeman6262 Жыл бұрын
@@Indecisivetacos if you can't read without punctuation then I don't know what to tell you
@ronancoffey6729 Жыл бұрын
Did u interview him lol
@Quixotic000Ай бұрын
Is the music really necessary? Completely takes me out of it and makes a mockery of the subject matter, in my opinion. Lmao
@ThatFemboyModeller7 күн бұрын
Another reason why I don’t like dr Phil
@ParisfromTexas2 жыл бұрын
He seems to still be in denial
@TristanZakaUllah2 жыл бұрын
Isnt it old?
@TristanZakaUllah2 жыл бұрын
The interew
@Patrickbateman____2 жыл бұрын
@@TristanZakaUllah nah it was recorded this year
@Jd181222 жыл бұрын
@@Patrickbateman____ it’s a old interview. Look up a interview of him in 2020, he looks much older there. He is already 86
@jacquelinellamas31972 жыл бұрын
@@Jd18122 do u have the link to the full interview?
@elliehancock6572 жыл бұрын
This is SO interesting!
@bodhiswayze18922 жыл бұрын
What is the point of this? There are NEVER gonna be any proper answers to this horrific situation. It's just disrespectful to the victims and their families....🤬
@SalehQattan2 жыл бұрын
It's Dr Phil, they don't really care about ur pain , they just looking for views , cuz the serie was successful, everyone talking about it
@bodhiswayze18922 жыл бұрын
@@SalehQattan Yeah, true. I forgot how gross he is...
@rdgloveshouse2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao how is it disrespectful? They are literally raising awareness
@Mrs.Rockies2 жыл бұрын
Its about the parents making more money.
@Matt_Wilson012 жыл бұрын
Oh stfu with that tired argument
@polishpat952 жыл бұрын
Holy!!!! This guy's voice is IDENTICAL to the voice of the actor on the Netflix series of Dahmer.
@laurenj677111 ай бұрын
Literally less than thirty seconds in and they’re exactly what you expect them to be😂
@pennywisethedancingclown4024 Жыл бұрын
This poor guy has been doing interviews about his son for years. Wonder if he ever gets tired of talking about it, it’s gotta be emotional for him every time. He still looks great, though.
@kerrymartin7557 Жыл бұрын
It's his choice. And I'm sure he gets paid for some of them.
@pennywisethedancingclown4024 Жыл бұрын
@@kerrymartin7557 true, I just think it would get tedious after so long
@triggabun Жыл бұрын
@@kerrymartin7557I think he does it to try and give people answers as much as he can. Some of these things cant be explained. He can't tell you why but he is trying to humanize the whole thing and how things got missed. Nobody can ever imagine their child to be Dahmer let alone a neighbor etc. It's frightening. Darkness can take many forms.
@MissWinters1980 Жыл бұрын
This is important even though Jeff's parents were not the best parents I don't think they would ever envision they would raise the most infamous serial killer on earth. Parents need to care about this they need to care about these things if they see any kind of behavior like this it needs to be corrected and in the right way. You're never too young for therapy
@KatsuHoku4 Жыл бұрын
THIS
@2004cyrus9 ай бұрын
Therapy? Uh no. The child would need to learn about Jesus and learn about Gods love.
@chrisvaughan2462 Жыл бұрын
7:03 “do you have a story?” Not that would follow that 😂😂😂
@alanbaxter81003 ай бұрын
*This Father knows WAY much more than people think. He Understands very clearly what Really happened*
@FirstNameLastName-js2ul2 жыл бұрын
The parents didn’t cause it, but the certainly didn’t prevent it
@giannimolluso58462 жыл бұрын
Good Comment
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
How do you prevent someone from becoming a cannibal and necrophiliac?
@giannimolluso58462 жыл бұрын
@@8luvbug His Parents didn't pay any attention to him. Maybe professional help at an early age might have helped
@8luvbug2 жыл бұрын
@@giannimolluso5846 Hindsight. No one thinks their child will become that way. His upbringing wasn't even all that bad. I don't think there's help for people like him other than being permanently institutionalized.
@giannimolluso58462 жыл бұрын
@@8luvbug You could be right. Some People are born psychotic they say
@FreePalestinianHearts Жыл бұрын
Not me just reading the comments and not paying attention to the video 😂
@FurbyGender2 жыл бұрын
The first few seconds I rolled my eyes. Lady who TH cares if it’s Jeff or Jeffrey?
@virg0doll8112 жыл бұрын
Yeah, she wants us to respect his NAME, f*** him!
@hogmjr2 жыл бұрын
They do
@jayb91132 жыл бұрын
No hate, but to you Jeffrey is exactly what he is, and a stranger. To them, he is a son and someone they know all their lives. So that's why they care about the use of his name. To them Jeffrey is the serial killer and Jeff is the beloved son from the past. Simple.
@kelseybuccholz37382 жыл бұрын
Lol dr Phil was respectful about it. I wouldn’t have been.
@ceciliadundee91222 жыл бұрын
Says a lot about her…
@XandyRay-zv6wg7 ай бұрын
I always feel very sad for the father and I admire his second wife for supporting her husband till now.
@ianoliver-jx4rx5 ай бұрын
I read Lionel’s book which was all an excuse as to why it wasn’t his fault, he wasn’t there 😂😂
@susanwright441410 ай бұрын
His mom creeped me out, the way she looked when she said "He's jeff to us." 😢
@Rapha1872 жыл бұрын
this interview is from 20 years ago. You should put that somewhere in the description
@lauramac902 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I was trying to find what year this was.
@2004cyrus9 ай бұрын
@@lauramac90it was not 20 years ago lol
@nyc42339 ай бұрын
Why does Dr Phil look so scary in this clip?? 🤣
@katiematkowski74782 ай бұрын
He's definitely pissed looking and hearing excuses
@frankcarlo72 жыл бұрын
Your born this way. The brain develops different for everyone. I know people who had a terrible upbringing and they became great people
@awolf972 жыл бұрын
I think situations like this are nature and nurture issues.. people generally try to use one versus the other but for Jeff I think both failed him.
@natashasays2 жыл бұрын
You may be born with proclivities to certain urges, like sadism, but it is your choice what you do with them. If you cannot control yourself by sheer force of will, it is your onus to find someone or something that will stop you. For example, people with strong sexual cravings towards children (pedophiles) will sometimes get prescribed libido diminishing drugs, such as anti-androgens, to diminish their urges.
@nathr73752 жыл бұрын
@@awolf97 boom someone who actually gets it.
@nathr73752 жыл бұрын
@@natashasays key word being sometimes.
@natashasays2 жыл бұрын
@@nathr7375 The key word pertaining to what? Many people with pedophilia or other paraphilias like Dahmer had are able to avoid offending without hormone blocking medication. Some use SSRIs. Others access support networks, use therapy, or have other outlets. The important distinction is between an urge that is difficult to resist versus an uncontrollable urge. Dahmer is evil because he is fully accountable for the series of choices to give in to his predatory urges.
@nintomdo99772 жыл бұрын
Some people believe he started to make his thoughts real after surgery he had when he was little
@jihane12258 ай бұрын
Naw it happend at home he saw things
@Brespam Жыл бұрын
“One foot square” 😂😂😂
@BeccaRaptor942 жыл бұрын
it's weird how she got offended by his full name...
@julieantony58212 жыл бұрын
Its a code maybe..
@manarmarzouk85952 жыл бұрын
She is as sick as Lionel and as Jeffry!
@BeccaRaptor942 жыл бұрын
@@julieantony5821 I’m interested! What do you mean?
@julieantony58212 жыл бұрын
@@BeccaRaptor94 I mean, is that possible that he's still alive and live with another name like his brother, David? Because like you said, why she get annoyed with her stepson full name?
@claudettewright3652 жыл бұрын
@@julieantony5821That’s the silliest, most conspiratorial, and just flat out wrong explanation I’ve ever seen. It’s obvious why she told Dr. Phil to only refer to him as Jeff: that was their son. That was who they knew him as and what they called him. It’s a coping mechanism to make a distinction between what they knew him as “Jeff” (their son) and what the world knew him as “Jeffrey” (the killer). It’s not rocket science.
@Kraterlandschaft Жыл бұрын
Excuse me, we don't know, we don't relate to Theodor. He's Ted. - Okay, Miss Bundy.
@josephineananda2 жыл бұрын
Parents in serious denial.
@josephineananda2 жыл бұрын
@neekoxbaby They were in denial long before they found out.
@alanamacneill882 жыл бұрын
Why would it matter if hes calling him Jeffrey, thats his damn name
@neighborbruce2 жыл бұрын
Just stupid people trying to take control of a conversation, nothing more.
@MySweetAriane2 жыл бұрын
That's their son. They called him Jeff. Maybe hearing Jeffrey makes them think of the evil person he really is. He is known as Jeffrey Dahmer to the world and maybe that's a way for them not to think of him as a monster. Jeffrey is the monster. Jeff is their son.
@mimi-my5bl2 жыл бұрын
Both are monsters tbh, son or not
@ammt1ru807 Жыл бұрын
They're making an attempt to dissociate the psychopath, Jeffrey, from the person they believe they knew. As she said, "we know him as Jeff." Years ago, the original interviews were played quite often. I remember thinking that correcting his name was odd. Especially during the timing of questions on certain interviews. It seemed it was their way of suggesting they only know him as Jeff, the sweet boy we raised and loved as opposed to Jeffrey this horrific psychopath. Maybe the dissociation in their minds aleiveate accepting some level of responsibility that they missed the development of a serial killer.
@jordanalbert6601 Жыл бұрын
OMG. The actor of Lionel in Dahmer sounds exactly the same.
@LonDonTaylor.6 ай бұрын
He was 18 when the mother left... How can you blame her for his sick mind?
@Shadow_wo1f052 жыл бұрын
How can dr Phil still be allowed to be a dr knowing he isn’t one
@ziatc2 жыл бұрын
How’s he not a doctor?
@Scorpio_782 жыл бұрын
Why? How?
@maryssalynnemedley88712 жыл бұрын
His license was suspended in Texas, he had an inappropriate relationship with a client. Hes basically a college trained, but unlicensed, psychiatrist.
@garethmurray59012 жыл бұрын
Cos he was on Frasier.
@thatweirdblackgirl42592 жыл бұрын
All it takes to be a doctor is a doctorate degree, which Dr Phil has. He's a doctor
@janejames5862 Жыл бұрын
I believe when we stop trying to find reasons why people do wrong we will stop giving them reasons to do wrong Everyone should be accountable for their actions without playing victim of something or someone And finding a reason for a serial killer has yet to be found and I don't think it's going to be found
@fatmaezzahraabderrazak1452 Жыл бұрын
Still there's excuses for what happens, but doesn't mean u kill people
@pandawandas Жыл бұрын
so you think things just happen for no reason and we shouldn’t look into why things happen?
@Skzcore3672 жыл бұрын
What is the lady talking about 😂
@KjSaidSo2 жыл бұрын
I'm not fond of either of them. If Jeffrey fooled everyone whose to say his father isn't the same thing? The hair always stands up on my neck when I hear him too
@jayxfrost89872 жыл бұрын
@@KjSaidSo maybe because he has the exact same voice like his son....?
@jackiejeenabhai784 Жыл бұрын
"We don't relate to Jeffrey, It's Jeff" OKAY
@daleandrews355210 ай бұрын
One of the thoughts I had throughout this interview was how hard it must have been for his parents. It's almost like the polar opposite of being able to brag about your son being an esteemed poet laureate or author, a heart surgeon of the highest order (like being on Dr. DeBakey's surgical team), or an astronaut. You know it had to be hard for them, having to relive it on national television.
@KaitlinMillerOct2nd222 жыл бұрын
I don't believe his parents were loving and were there for him. I believe this could have been stopped or prevented. Extreme loneliness and neglect.. this is what happens or what could happen. Parents love your children, listen to them, and be there for them
@K0r1ISH3R32 жыл бұрын
Apparently when he was a baby, nobody held him unless it was for pictures or to change diapers
@MsCodered12 жыл бұрын
Listening/hearing his father peacefully discussing his son's actions as a kid was like he shrugged it off like 'boys enjoy gross stuff'. By not forcing his son into therapy, he was only encouraging things to get worse. His father actually played a large part in Jeffrey s future psychopathic actions!
@ShyerLady2 жыл бұрын
Dont blame it on his parents. His parents were loving of their kids they just had marital issues and struggled to give the attention the kids needed, they didnt purposefuly leave him lonley. This happens to half the kids on the planet, they dont turn into psycho cannibals.
@slimshead81002 жыл бұрын
It’s horrible when any parent isn’t loving and is neglectful. However, there’s plenty of parents who are like that yet their child doesn’t turn out a perverted serial killer. It produces a screwed up individual, but it certainly doesn’t make them a serial killer.
@StrawberryJam8062 жыл бұрын
His father did his best. He’s not to blame for Jeffrey’s crimes.
@Internetlo2 жыл бұрын
I feel horrible for his parents
@Bingbongq2 жыл бұрын
Yeah they probably blame themselves even though it wasn't their fault
@CARL_T013 Жыл бұрын
@@Bingbongq really they do
@gregdetwiler9220 Жыл бұрын
I feel horrible for his brother. He changed his last name.
@Fat12219 Жыл бұрын
Proud 👏
@kathystokes5127 Жыл бұрын
Mom: Excuse me Dr. Phil, we don't refer to him as Jeffery. We refer him as Jeff Dr. Phil: Welllll Excuse Me 😮😅
@brooketaylor8082 жыл бұрын
It is not the parents fault. The parents failed in many ways but the initial killings was not the parents fault. Many people who have parents still end up killing them, killing others, and doing horrible things. It's not how they were raised, everyone is their own person, that's why you think differently from your parents because you are different.
@aidankhaos76872 жыл бұрын
That’s not true at all. Psychology has proven the nature versus nurture argument. You’re stupid.
@mariaaguilar73352 жыл бұрын
Exactly! I believe that nurture does play a part, but I believe nature is the biggest factor.
@leelee36652 жыл бұрын
How can you say it’s not the parents fault. They neglected him as a young boy. Both his parents left him alone. It’s a loss of empathy.
@ManplansGodlaughs2 жыл бұрын
Lionel Dahmer sexually abused his son Jeff. Everyone is oblivious to that fact bc it was never talked about
@leelee36652 жыл бұрын
@TomTheDog he didn’t get that from his parents. They didn’t nurture him. His mother didn’t even allow him to be held as a baby. She was in and out of mental health facilities.
@danniella15182 жыл бұрын
Has anyone got the link to the whole interview please 🙏
@danielebrparish42719 ай бұрын
Read the biography of Jeffrey then Lionel's memoir. It is much more interesting than any of the tv shows or interviews that are out there.
@nicholasjanke347612 күн бұрын
The scariest thing about the Jeffrey Dahmer case, is that the investigators only caught onto him totally by luck. If the detectives had done their homework they would have easily found that there was a mass killer on the loose years earlier! Milwaukee homicide detectives were not doing their jobs.
@createart80322 жыл бұрын
There's something off about his father...
@annitabiondi64172 жыл бұрын
💯💯
@Adessotech20192 жыл бұрын
Yep
@jacquelinellamas31972 жыл бұрын
In the document he admitted to being like Jeff but never told anyone
@manarmarzouk85952 жыл бұрын
That’s why he refused to examine Jeffry’s brain!
@nickkrikorian59094 ай бұрын
These people are mk ultra clones thats why. When they create these clones they release them into the real world with us real humans
@gabbyhinds407 ай бұрын
Crazy. When people want to leave i show them the door.
@ashleyjean0410 Жыл бұрын
My heart breaks for him
@kevinm47562 жыл бұрын
Until Lionel passes on, Jeffery’s actions will haunt him and the story will keep on going. I feel as if all the trauma Lionel has endured, he will never be fully at peace on this earth.