Dr Robert Haddad - Purgatory and Praying for the Dead

Purgatory is one of the most contested and misunderstood Catholic doctrines. The most common objection one hears from Protestants is that "Purgatory is not in the Bible!" Other objections include, "Purgatory is a man-made invention to enable the Catholic Church to make money through the sale of indulgences" or "To believe in Purgatory is to believe that Christ's work on the Cross was not sufficient."
In this presentation Dr Robert Haddad responds to these objections while giving a detailed outline of the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. In addition to showing how Protestant objections are baseless, Robert shows why Purgatory is necessary and expounds on the many verses in Scripture that support it.
Finally, Robert shows how belief in Purgatory has clear support in the writings of the Church Fathers and was integral in the worship of the early Church.
If you are interested in purchasing any of Robert's books, especially his best seller Defend the Faith!, you can do so at parousiamedia.com

[@L1011MD11]

The Holy Spirit led me to this YT channel and prompted me to watch and listen to this Catholic doctrine of Purgatory. Every rosary recited and prayed, I make sure to say a prayer for all the faithful departed in particular to my parents, relatives and friends. "May all the souls of the faithful departed through the mercy of God rest in peace. Amen."

[@MsPinklady75]

The Holy Spirit would Not lead you to video that has nothing to do with the Word of God!!

[@marksilva2929]

The Holy Spirit did lead you here. If you get a chance, look at Padre Pio and some of his encounters with the souls in purgatory. When you ask the Holy Spirit to lead you, he does.

[@JohnSmith-zl7mh]

Eternal Father, I offer Thee the Most Precious Blood of Thy Divine Son, Jesus, in union with the masses said throughout the world today, for all the holy souls in purgatory, for sinners everywhere, for sinners in the universal church, those in my own home and within my family. Amen.

[@peaveawwii1]

I am very happy to have found this channel. THIS IS GOOD. WE NEED MORE CATHOLIC TEACHING IN THIS WORLD. THANKS FOR POSTING THESE TALKS

[@katdunn7934]

I wish everyone could or would listen to this talk of yours. Purgatory defined so wonderfully and with proof. I was shocked when I found out Protestants don't believe in it, while reading comments from other Catholic youtube channels. I've also found out how hard it is to chat with them and many seem to scream with Capitalized words. No matter how nice I've approached a question with my reply, which usually is to a question they like to ask while pretending they know nothing. Then I will explain things about Mary, the Rosary, why we have statues and how we don't worship anyone but our Holy Father, Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit... The Holy Trinity. I don't have scripture memorized and haven't read much of the Bible. It's hard to prove Catholic teaching unarmed. Thank you for helping with that. I will be watching more of your talks soon. God bless you always!

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Aslong as you don't study the bible much as you say you will be deceived. Study the bible you will never find purgatory in it. You find only Jesus who saves a sinner. It's not about how you feel it's about what the bible say. Tradition is abomination according to matt15:3.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@Jay T.Queue you are not a Methodist. Do you know about John Wesley how he fought for Methodist? Read the bible and stop where you are going. The bible is the foundation of Christianity not tradition. John Wesley the founder of Methodist youth the bible to found that church now you are letting him down. Catholism will never change. Instead of changing its geting worse satanic. Revelation 18 is trumpeting to me and you to flee from false doctrines. Flee flee from false worship go to the bible it have all truth

[@olgacrego9729]

Sr.Haddad, you are graced with the virtue of patience....hallelujah..... Something I lack severely. God bless you. I enjoy very much ur lessons.

[@anitarushlow4022]

Excellent talk. You explain things so well. Thank you.

[@drelie90]

Amazing talk. Very comprehensive. Will be sharing to all my protestant friends.

[@johnbrowne3950]

Don't bother. Most Protestants believe the Bible not the Roman Catholic twisted beliefs.

[@sicplano]

As a Protestant, this is a very though provoking presentation. I personally believe there is a purification needed to make us ready to be in the presence of the glory of God. Christ’s blood gave us legal acceptance into the Kingdom however after this mortality we still have work to do to make ourselves ready if we didn’t complete it on this side of the veil. Also not all Protestants ascribe to the “once saved always saved”, sin as you wish it’s all under grace belief. Thank you for this presentation.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Sicpiano,Thank you for your gentle and thoughtful comments. I normally get more hostile and angry responses.I take on board what you say. You may also want to read what another evangelical Anglican - C. S. Lewis - said on Purgatory. He also believed in it.God bless, Robert

[@reg8297]

I do wonder though if jesus christ paid that price and his skin ripped clean. Off him for our sin why then do we have to suffer after we die or even while we are here if he decides to punish us on earth I just don't understand

[@djazM]

Proud to be a Catholic!

[@julietn9344]

Pray the rosary for the conversation of more souls

[@djazM]

@@julietn9344 Yes, I do, everyday.🙇

[@julietn9344]

@@djazM Today is a Saturday so the Blessed Mother is in purgatory. Pray for the souls in purgatory to be taken to heaven. Do u know the chaplet of the poor souls in purgatory? If so it's good 2 pray it for the release of souls in purgatory

[@angelpaige2144]

y'all people are blind to the truth

[@billsmith147]

you mean conversion not conversation

[@ralph7545]

I enjoy and learn from your videos. Please keep them coming.

[@ejbanawa]

The best logical and biblical explanation on Purgatory I find...Thank you!!

[@timsvea5980]

"Eternal rest, grant unto them, Oh Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May they rest in peace. Amen." We need to pray more for the souls in purgatory since they can no longer help themselves. Thanks for the good video talk, brother.

[@ivakelava571]

awesome talk

[@bellaveritas2378]

Thank you for this lesson on Purgatory.

[@johnbrowne3950]

If you believe in Purgatory then you don't believe Jesus sacrifice on the cross.

[@johnbrowne3950]

@Peter Cho One day Catholics will have to explain to Jesus why they didn't believe His shed blood and death on the cross was good enough for them so they had to spend time in an imaginary place to finish the job.

[@frankwilliams2085]

Thank you ,very well explained.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Elie, good, you do that. God bless!

[@cookiearmychocolatechip2067]

:)

[@faatoiaboy987]

Thank you so much, Mr Haddard for the talk about Purgatory. I'm Catholic and I've heard about Purgatory before as a place where people who committed minor sins and those who repented go to, but that's all..never knew any other information. Now, I know a lot from your talk and I feel joy in my heart. Before my mother died in March 2020 (We are Catholics), she said to me to pray for her... So now I know what she meant. I will start praying for her and my father who both passed away and for all my relatives and others. So logical and and I am so excited! God Bless!

[@maureenrebello1499]

Excellent view on purgatory very well explained thankyou

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Yes excellent but not biblical.

[@lisafosse5044]

@@mkhululinxumalo2713 yes sir, purgatory is not biblical. The King James bible mentions heaven 582 times, hell 54 times and purgatory 0 times. This man is saying that when we get to the judgement seat of Christ and we are Christians who believe and trust that Jesus died and shed his blood for our sins, Jesus is going to say that it's not enough so I need to send you to purgatory? I trust God's word. Rom 5: 8-9, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath through him." We must be diligent about studying God's word. Thanks, brother

[@sneedfest3399]

Purgatory is bibilical but sola scriptura isn't

[@user-bl4lf9rg8m]

@@lisafosse5044 nice, so we can just do whatever we want 😂

[@georgepenton808]

Pray daily for the souls in Purgatory, and when it becomes your turn to be there, they will pray for you.

[@iiiiiiiii3370]

I feel like I am already in purgatory.

[@cookingfun6245]

listened to your whole video. Excellent explanation. I am taking an Apologetics class. I followed my notes from Wednesday's class on Purgatory. Many of the same pieces and scripture were shared by you. Feels so good to know that the Church practices what comes from scripture contrary to many who say we make things up. I have subbed. Looking for more learning. I do ministry in jail, and get a lot of non Catholics. This came up the other day, and another minister was able to talk through it. The non catholic was very respectable with the explanation. What a great way to build a good relationship when Catholics understand our faith better. God Bless you for sharing this message.

[@recioasmarina]

Your way of explaining is amazing! I am so glad that I found your channel. God Bless you abundantly.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Raella, thanks for your kind words. I hope I can continue uploading presentations. Feel free to let others know about this channel. God bless.

[@katdunn7934]

Ditto!!!

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

As long as he not speaking according to the bible it will be amazing. But the truth from the bible they call it judgemental. Read the bible. Jesus said man can not live by bread alone but by the word of God which is the bible. Purgatory is not biblical,so as rosary, praying to Mary ,pope etc... .

[@MrJoeMiron]

@@mkhululinxumalo2713 you want to be right but your wrong...study the founding fathers and what they taught before the bible, like St Ignatius and others...seek and you will find

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@MrJoeMiron that theory is not true. It was done by Jesuits to deceive you and me. The moment you believe some aside from the bible you lost.

[@timsvea5980]

"Requiem Aeternam, dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Requiescant in pace." Eternal Rest grant unto them, Oh Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. May they rest in peace. Amen.

[@ruthmaryrose]

Robert Haddad Thank you so much for this. It has helped me so much to understand purgatory and the reasoning and teaching behind it. Your explanation of the Protestant doctrination of penal substitution was so very clear and I think that now I understand it and why it follows that Protestants don’t accept the doctrine of purgatory. Very enlightening. I’m 70 years old and have always been Catholic and always believed, but through your talk you have helped to strengthen my faith. God bless you.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Protestants won't understand this because it is not biblical at all. Read the bible to understand it not to look for your opinion.

[@jackdaw6359]

@@mkhululinxumalo2713 Read early church history. Looks nothing like Protestantism

[@jeraldene007]

Thankyou

[@alpinewonders]

I`m Protestant (with quite the sola scriptura background!) but my late wife was devoutly Catholic in her Italian Mary-emphasising way. I began attending her tiny rosary bead prayer group (actually there were only four, and now there are four again due to me!). The lady who hosts it has had a psychic ability since childhood. My background tells me to be suspicious of the origin of this ability but I desperately want to believe her gift is from the good side. Maybe Adam and Eve originally had abilities we can only dream of, and there are vestiges of this still. I don`t know. But I do know that what this lady is experiencing is supernatural and not of her own imagination`s making. On my second visit she excitedly interrupted the prayers to say Adriana had "come to her" and had said (paraphrasing from German): "you don`t need to prayer for me, I`ve made it!" Actually we weren`t about to pray for her, but likely the lady host of the prayer group had been doing so privately. What do you make of this? Thank you for reading

[@roberthaddad7850]

Alpine,Thanks for your question.My general position is always to be very wary of anyone claiming visions, voices, signs, or purporting to exercise any special 'powers.' There have been, are, and will be many fraudulent or misguided individuals making such claims. Many good people are taken in for a time or even permanently. Since you appear to be very sincere I would caution you here. You are on more solid ground if you objectively explore Catholicism and its truth claims rather than give credence to such claimants. The fact that you loved your wife and still have concern for her eternal destiny is a wonderful thing. Keep thinking and praying for her, while exploring the claims of Catholicism. God bless.

[@alpinewonders]

Thank you for your reply Robert. You bet I`m cautious, but something else is going on here, my lady host notwithstanding. A striking example: in my car I have running all the time on my cd player Bible teachings from Steve Gregg of thenarrowpath.com. The audio is low bit rate so I can burn 20+ hours of his teachings onto one cd. When I turn the ignition on, the cd carries on from where it finished when I turned the ignition off. On leaving her house after my first visit to the prayer group, I said out loud to my wife before getting in the car "did you like that sweetie?" (namely that I had gone to her prayer group). When Steve came on in the car, the first thing he said (in a different context of course) was "that`ll be the thing that keeps us together". The thing is, the cd is dryly factual teachings on Genesis 10-30. I played it for hours afterwards looking for other spoken phrases that could remotely have served as a reply to what I had said outside the car. There`s nothing at all. Not even close. There are over 53,000 seconds of Steve`s voice on that cd. So that`s a 53,000+:1 chance of that happening. That was supernaturally set up! Other things have happened to me too but I`ve said enough already. Blessings to you

[@alpinewonders]

PS: I know I am no longer nor ever again will be married to my wife. That`s not my yearning. "Communion of the saints" I think one would rather describe the new situation

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@roberthaddad7850 repent plz Mr Jesuit and stop feeding God's people poison.

[@joehouston2833]

@@mkhululinxumalo2713 you repent

[@b.goodfellow465]

One BIG thanks for actually giving the viewer enough time to read the full written statements and prayers on the screen. I am a bit of a slow reader and the amount of times that I have had to pause a video and try to read what is on the screen, which unfortunately, becomes dimmer while it’s on pause! One other quick thought, my husband has a degree of hearing problems, so he uses subtitles whenever possible, because when there’s both dialogue and music in the background he just has to give up when there’s no subtitles. I think there is a lot of people who have this type of hearing problem. God bless, stay strong in Christ, stay safe and stay well, in Jesus Name 🙏🙏🙏

[@aigafesoosootaisogimaletav9008]

Hello Haddad, i have been listening to this talk more than ten times because i still need to understand more about purgatory. i have a lesson with Jehovah witness and three weeks ago we discussed our belief about dead people. they claimed that it is a false doctrine and i explained to them to refer to 1 Peter 3:18-20 but they sad that these verses refers to the bad angels mention in 2 Peter 2:4. i took a look at it but it doesn't match to 1 Peter. i never intend to convert but i intend for them to convert back to catholic because they were all catholic. i love your talks it feeds my spiritual faith and it helps me to defend our faith. May God bless you.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Thank you. May you continue to evangelise these former Catholics. God bless.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

At first catholisn was ok but when they wanted to unite with the state that's were they started to have unbiblical things such as Sunday which came with Constantine the great from paganism. Jesus came here on earth from heaven to preach to us here who are bound by the Satan who was chased in heaven with his angels which he deceived. Not one is alive in the grave according to the bible. Ecclesiastes 9:5 says they is no knowing in death. Psalm 146:4 they is no thought in death where we are going. 1 thes4v16- says when Jesus comes He will sound like a trumpet and dead will wake up from their grave, not from heaven or purgatory as you bealive but from the grave because they are sleeping. Even Lazarus didn't tell about purgatory when Jesus wakedhim up. Don't read one verses to suit your opinion but to do what God says from it. Where is the pope in bible. Rosary? Praying to Mary? It's too much which is not biblical in Catholicsm. Peter was never a pope but apostle of Christ. Bible and bible alone is the foundation of our faith not tradition.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@roberthaddad7850 I can see you are a Jesuit .

[@roberthaddad7850]

No, I am a Catholic. Can you supply an alternative explanation for 1 Corinthians 3:10-13 or any of the other Scripture passages I mentioned in my presentation? I would be happy to receive such an explanation. God bless.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@roberthaddad7850 peter was never a pope. The bible is foundation of Christianity not tradition as Catholics do. Rosary, praying to Mary, purgatory where is all this in the bible. Verse 13 tell us about hell that it will consume all who are not building their faith rightly on Christ the Rock. And Paul says he have layed the foundation already. Paul didn't teach about purgatory. So y are teaching it then.

[@jayjayg7585]

I had a near death experience I felt my body drift up towards the ceiling in my room and then being taken in a instant after that what I felt my destination was suddenly transformed into something I can’t explain I felt tremendous triple doubled peace and pure love as it just smothered me nothing can explain this feeling not sure if feeling is the word for it but miraculous something THIS WAS PURE SOMETHING AND I TELL YOU NOW YOU WONT WANT TO GO ANY WHERE ELSE BUT HERE . Then all of a sudden I was taken to a very dark dark dark nothing can describe this dark I tell you it smothered you . I didn’t have that love and peace anymore just emptiness in That place but I felt a great pain For that real love again and it’s was like pain in a sense just cut off . I felt that I needed this somehow . I know about hell being Catholic but this was not hell as if some intellect was telling me I can’t explain next I was rushed in a instant back to my body were I remember gasping for air . I know my bible and I know John gospel it says God is love he absolutely right about that . I remember reading something from a mystic Catholic Saint about purgatory and this Saint said something about total darkness in purgatory and cut off from Gods love which was painful . I tell you what I think that’s right on the mark you just desired it it hurt. The Catholic Church is right on the mark there and thank you Robert and Robert is right on the mark on the church’s teaching Glad he’s getting it out there because this is real no question ask fantastic talk ,non catholic Christian’s take note . And my condition I found out was a irregular heart beat and it stop my heart ,,,,,

[@reg8297]

Could anyone answer this question u know how some people get cancer an u hear them say oh jesus cured me OK so what about the person who has cancer prayed to god to get cured yet didnt how can one say God cured them and other die

[@sgomez8194]

This is the best explanation of Purgatory that I have seen. Excellent work 🙏

[@roberthaddad7850]

Thanks and God bless.

[@rodericmirasol7350]

Glad to find someone defending catholic faith with clarity. About Jesus telling the repentant criminal, "Today you shall be with me in paradise" and it's not heaven. I wholly agree but There's one thing that's bothering me and may need explanation. If Adam and Eve in Paradise may also mean they're not in heaven? It's because Eve gave the fruit to her HUSBAND in Genesis 3 and in Mark 12 it says there will be no need for marriage in heaven.

[@reg8297]

I have gone thru so much trauma since I was 3 years old abuse ripple effects of abuse from my mother resulting from that toxic relationship I met another abuser who turned my kids against me over perilod of 20 years I'm in so much shock im wondering doeea god even see this what's been done I also have a chronic pain illness down on top of all that trauma I don't know where to turn I'm so broken

[@cjtm1604]

Is the teaching supported by the Bible text, or is this tradition information passed down to the church?

[@paxvobiscum9859]

Wow, I didn't know the protestants believe that sort of thing. That's very twisted. But what else can be expected of the rotten fruits of a revolution born of the devil? I pray for the conversion of protestants to Christianity. 🙏

[@vickybeaini4115]

Hi! A few years back, I do remember you mentioning a book that helps us, catholics, to convince protestants about the true faith. However, I can’t recall its name; can you help me out? Thanking you in advance for your assistance!

[@roberthaddad7850]

Vicky, the book is Defend the Faith!. You can get it from Parousia Media. God bless.

[@delacruzjustineclaire5386]

Can dead people pray in purgatory . Can they pray thier love ones that still alive here on earth .. Can they see us here even they r already n purgatory?what best prayers for soul for them to purify thier souls

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dead people can pray in Purgatory. I believe they can pray for loved ones on Earth. They can pray for anyone they know. I don't think, though, they can see us from Purgatory because they do not yet possess the Beatific Vision. Also, they cannot merit for themselves while in Purgatory so they cannot say or do anything to shorten their time in Purgatory. God bless.

[@toniorta3691]

I have a question if your married and ypur hurt sleep with someone else and make a baby and then doesn't remember it and then 15 years later the women send the copes to make him at a blood test and it was his. I have been reading the Bible by myself and it says I am going to hell because I'm married to a nothers men. So I need to divorce him or I will go to hell. I need a men of God to put me in the right group to fix myself and try to save my soul

[@sleahcim4723]

Everyone is fallen or has fallen and nobody is perfect. We will sin again. Keep turning back to God; hell is not for you. Jesus died so that our sins are forgiven. Keep reading the bible to fully understand this. Check out Father Mike on Ascension. He has bible in a year podcast; my mind has been opened at finally at 58 Y.O. Once your hear of all the crazy things they did in the Old Testament and how goodness can come from brokenness, you will see your life in a new light. Love to you!

[@sistamaria15]

where did it say everything is in the Bible? and yes just like many many converts have said, they have been drilled to believe so otherwise, I would love to go to purgatory. Thank you Mr Haddad.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Isaiah8:20 madam tells us to prove every Christian things by God's word and law. Matt 15:3 Jesus rebukes about breaking His law because of tradition. Tradition is abomination in God's eyes.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@MaryMost Matt 15 rebukes tradition. If catholism own the bible y then the bible does not speak about rosary, Sunday worship, idolism, purgatory, baptism of sprinkling, praying through Mary etc? The papacy changed God's sabbath to Sunday fulfilling Daniel 7v25.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@MaryMost the bible was written by man of God as they were moved by His holy spirit 2peter1v21. The bible is the manual of Christianity 2tim3v15to17. Isaiah8v20kjv tells us that we must test everything by God's word. Rosary etc come from paganism. Bible and bible alone.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@MaryMost here it is isaiah8v20kjv.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@MaryMost we should test everything by God's word and law, isaiah8v20kjv. Rosary,Sunday worship, praying through Mary, etc breaking the first four commandments.

[@hornatham1487]

Do the non Catholic Christians go to Purgatory when I wish to pray and offer up for them knowingly I understand that they do not know nor understand nor believe in Purgatory.By His Endless Grace I’m a convertee into the Catholic faith during the BenedictXVI pontificate.

[@georgepenton808]

Ordinarily all non-Catholics go to Hell. Salvation is in Christ alone and the Catholic Church is the mystical body of Christ and the mystical bride of Christ. We do not save ourselves; Jesus saves us. However, in extraordinary cases a non-Catholic can be saved if the non-Catholic was, through no fault of his own, ignorant of the Catholic faith, but who lived as good a life as he could with the lights God gave him. Since information about Catholicism is so readily available, and since God gives the grace of conversion to anyone who asks for the truth, only a rare soul indeed could reasonably claim to be ignorant of the Catholic faith. In those rare cases where non-Catholics are saved, the answer to your question is that yes, if the non-Catholic were good but not perfect, that non-Catholic would have to go to Purgatory. We should especially pray for these people because thry have no Catholic relatives to pray for them.

[@nangonziwinnie4948]

Wonderful sharing God bless you.

[@radog1028]

I can only imagine how big heaven must be. When we think about the millions of souls that have gone before us.

[@tgwcl6194]

Around 150 billion!!!

[@adamhovey407]

I can show, just using the Book of Revelation, that Purgatory would have to exist. The Eastern Orthodox do not think of purgatory like we Latins, but they definitely do have the concept of cleansing of sin after death for lesser sins. A few Protestants actually do believe in something analogous to Purgatory, John Wesley was headed in that direction in some of his beliefs, and CS Lewis flat out said he believed in Purgatory, although he misrepresented the Catholic belief on it, ironically by doing that, he actually gave a more accurate depiction of it. Edit: good job on using Jimmy Akin in your talk. He makes my apologetic skills seem so weak. He's a really smart guy.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Good comment. Thanks.

[@ilovecatsijustlovecats3944]

How does this apply for those who tried to murder you.... So I need to go to them face to face?

[@LickYourChops]

At about 17:10 to 17:32 in the video the speaker says that venial and mortal sin is talked about in 1 John 5:6. I went there is and there is no mention of venial and mortal sin there.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear LickYourChops,The actual verse is 1 John 5:16. The words "mortal" and "venial" are not formally there but they are materially mentioned in the distinction between sin that is "deadly" (mortal) and sin that is "not deadly" (venial).

[@LickYourChops]

Robert Haddad thank you for your quick response. I do get your point in verse 16. Again thank you very much for your quick response.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Unfortunately, sometimes little inadvertent mistakes are made in either the delivery of talks or in the production of the DVDs.

[@gerard1867]

Robert Haddad Hi Robert, I'm new to your videos and I love them. I was watching the video on "Amazing Modern Miracles" I'm not sure how much you research them, but it has always bothered me how difficult it is for one to get a hold of the actual scientific data regarding some of these miracles (like our lady of las lajas). There is nothing to be found on the internet about it and it is somewhat frustrating when trying to use them a source of information to offer our atheist friends. Any insight on this?

[@roberthaddad7850]

Gerard,Try this link for starters. God bless.catholicexchange.com/miraculous-image-lady-las-lajas

[@ORTHODOXWOMENMINISTRY]

1 John 5:6… did I get that wrong ? It doesn’t mention sin talks about faith… sorrry I’m confused

[@roberthaddad7850]

Josette, Yes it should be 1 John 5:16. God bless.

[@belindakhanna321]

Sir I thank you for this wonderful knowledge I feel so peaceful 🧚🏼‍♂🙏🏼🔥🧚🏼‍♂

[@BronxCat]

So what will happen to other people in other religions( protestants, etc) that think the Catholic Church is a satanic org.and who are repelled by Our Lady?! Will they go to purgatory even though they reject The True Faith and Dishonor Jesus Mother?!

[@marclarpat]

Katie yee, what does your heart tell you?

[@neilanadams5173]

The Church teaches that all who reject Christ cannot be saved. The Church and Christ are one, if you reject one you reject the other.

[@reg8297]

Wish I never sinned I feel I was cheated subconsciously

[@paxvobiscum9859]

I'd rather suffer my purgation here in this life than in purgatory, if possible.

[@Schrankerle]

Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom." Jesus told him, "I tell you with certainty, today you will be with me in Paradise."

[@roberthaddad7850]

Johan, the "Paradise" Jesus promises the Good Thief is not Heaven as such but rather 'Abraham's Bosom' mentioned in 1 Peter 3:19. Jesus did not go to Heaven after he died; rather, he went to "preach to the spirits in prison" (see again 1 Pet. 3:19). It is to this place that the Good Thief went. Jesus made Abraham's Bosom "paradise" by his presence there. Jesus and the souls in Abraham's Bosom only entered Heaven after Jesus' ascension into Heaven 40 days after his resurrection. Abraham's Bosom was a place of temporal incarceration for the good souls that couldn't enter Heaven until Jesus opened the gates and passed through them first. It was in Abraham's Bosom that the Good Thief would have completed any temporal punishment due for his forgiven sins.

[@Schrankerle]

@@roberthaddad7850 Thanks for the interesting response. I looked up the verse in 1 Peter and my study bible equates the "spirits in prison" to be hell, and I can't see that Jesus would send the thief to hell after he just told him he would be in paradise. I guess this verse is subject to interpretation.

[@roberthaddad7850]

@@Schrankerle, My point remains, namely, that Jesus did not go to Heaven after he died, so the Good Thief could not have gone to Heaven either. Since the Good Thief was "to be with" Jesus in Paradise that Paradise could not have been Heaven with the vision of God face to face. That Paradise must be another realm in the underworld, namely, Abraham's bosom. Why? Because if you are correct then the Good Thief enters Heaven before Christ, which is implausible. Jesus goes to the underworld to preach to the souls in prison; he must have also preached to the righteous in another section of the underworld tradition calls Abraham's Bosom. The Good Thief went there, Jesus also went there and made it paradise by his presence.

[@roberthaddad7850]

@@Schrankerle, Again, one last point, Jesus speaks of Abraham's Bosom in Luke 16:22, the abode of the righteous dead. This is where the Good Thief went after he died and the place Jesus made Paradise by his visitation. This is not the same as Heaven, nor the same "prison" Jesus visits in 1 Peter 3:19.

[@maryamm.1346]

1korinth3(10-15)

[@animegamehacker3034]

Is this true

[@roberthaddad7850]

Yes, certainly is. God bless.

[@draytonthomasjaymes8944]

So if Jesus died for our sins why do we have to be forgiven of the sins again in purgatory? Also if you repent of your sins to God or even a priest and are forgiven then why purgatory?

[@roberthaddad7850]

Drayton, Thanks for your question. Jesus did die for our sins. His death on the Cross was infinitely meritorious (not just sufficient) and opened the gates of Heaven hitherto closed and merited for humanity the forgiveness of sins. For an adult convert to Christ, this forgiveness occurs when Christ is accepted, repentance of our sins, and baptism in the name of the Trinity (John 3:3-5 and Matt. 28:19). According to Catholic teaching, with conversion and baptism all sins are forgiven and all eternal and temporal punishment for sin is remitted. So, if a convert to Christ dies immediately after receiving baptism they go straight to heaven, no Purgatory required. What about sins committed after conversion and baptism? I do not subscribe to the view that at conversion one is forgiven of all sins past, present and future. I would like to see any verse in Scripture to support such a view. I believe that one has to repent again and again for each sin committed after baptism. For each sin I have to ask for forgiveness and make reparation for any damage caused by my sin. Purgatory isn't about being "forgiven again" in Purgatory. No soul can go to Purgatory in the first place unless they have first repented on earth beforehand. Purgatory is about completing temporal punishment that was not completed on earth before death, or doing temporal punishment for unrepentant minor sins before death, or being purified of any imperfections or excessive attachments to creatures, etc. This may be all new to you and you may radically disagree with all this. Purgatory is a very large topic with many different issues to consider. If you permit me, I will send you five emails each dealing with a different aspect of this topic. God bless, Robert

[@roberthaddad7850]

Drayton, The following are verses in Scripture that indicate a realm after death other than Heaven or Hell with some of my own commentary: 2 Maccabees 12:43-45 shows that the Jews in the Old Testament certainly believed in a state where the dead could profit from the sacrifices and prayers of the living. The full text of this passage reads as follows: “He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” You may deny the canonicity of the Maccabean books, nevertheless, their historical value cannot be denied. Even Jewish prayer books today contain prayers for the dead (the Mourner’s Qaddish). If the Jews had invented the doctrine of Purgatory or prayers for the dead, undoubtedly Jesus would have condemned such, as he condemned them for a long list of changes in doctrine and discipline in Matt. 23. The doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32). These words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come” (en to mellonti), or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in Heaven or Hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Luke 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In Heaven there will be no beatings; in Hell only severe beatings. The “light beatings” must be those that are administered in another place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. Luke 12:47-48 illustrates another purpose of Purgatory, namely, as a place of temporal punishment for unrepented venial, or less grave sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Luke 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbour. If we have not reconciled with our neighbour before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” Since souls do not get out of Heaven or Hell, then they must be getting out from a third place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. This verse illustrates the following aspects of Purgatory, namely, a place of temporary detention, a place where souls must pay an outstanding debt (“pay the very last copper”), a place from which are freed when that debt is paid (“you will never get out TILL…”). “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of firey purification that takes place before the soul enters Heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says, “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, “made perfect” by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. Purgatory does not replace Christ; it is Christ’s instrument of final purification. We all need this final purification because no-one is perfect and Scripture elsewhere says “nothing unclean” (Rev. 21:27) can enter Heaven. Some of the imperfections we need to be purified of are not necessarily sins, they could be excessive attachments to creatures, bad habits, etc. To be in Heaven we must be perfect, not simply “covered’ by Christ’s merits (as Luther and Calvin taught - “imputed righteousness”). Imputed righteousness is contrary to Scripture, which instead teaches that we become “temples of the Holy Spirit” wherein the Holy Trinity indwells in our souls (see John 7:38; John 14:23). Imputed righteousness dishonours Christ by asserting that he does not actually make his followers holy, but simply ‘covers up’ our sinful nature rather than washing sin away (see Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 for how baptism washes away sin, not simply covers it up). “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of living Christians in the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. They would only do this if they believed departed Christians were in a place (namely, Purgatory) where they could actually be assisted by their sacrifices, prayers, etc. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Why would St Paul be praying for a dead Christian unless he believed that the dead Christian still needed the Lord’s mercy, a mercy he wouldn’t need if he were in Heaven or Hell.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Drayton, The following concerns whether there are temporal as well as eternal punishemnts for sin: Scripture does illustrate that there are temporal, as well as eternal punishments for sin. For example, humanity is still subject to the temporal punishments of labor, pain, sickness and death even though we have now been redeemed and baptised. Also, King David still had to endure the temporal punishment of the death of his infant son even after he had been forgiven for murdering Uriah (2 Sam. 12:13ff.). Likewise, Moses was still excluded from the Promised Land after God forgave him for striking the rock at the Waters of Contradiction (Num. 20:12). It may also be asked why God leaves temporal penalties in place after removing eternal penalties for sins. It is a question, first, of discharging a debt of honour, making a gesture of reparation even after the real reparation has already been completed. This is the meaning of Col. 1:24: “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church.” Penance also has a rehabilitative effect. It helps us to learn from our sins and restore the loss or damage caused by them. Finally, penance satisfies our innate need to mourn for tragedies and sin, especially mortal sin, which is the greatest tragedy that can befall a person. If you do not believe in temporal punishment, then you would logically believe that an imprisoned murderer should be automatically released from prison if he/she converts to Christianity. Yes, such a convicted murderer has been forgiven their eternal punishment but still needs to do “time for the crime” (namely, temporal punishment). The reality is that the purgatorial cleansing we endure for sin is in a special way a consequence of Jesus’ sacrifice for us. Jesus’ sufferings paid the price for our sanctification from beginning to end. Purgatory is our final sanctification. If Jesus had not suffered there would be no Purgatory and therefore no final sanctification at all. Rather, there would be only a permanent exclusion from Heaven for the imperfect!

[@roberthaddad7850]

Drayton, The following concerns what Jesus did on the Cross for us: The rejection of Purgatory has its roots in a misunderstanding of what Christ did on the Cross. The classical Protestant position is that Jesus was a penal substitute who was punished in our place for our sins. So, if Jesus took our punishment then those who come to Christ no longer need to undergo any punishment for sin after conversion. This is why Purgatory is repugnant to Protestants, because it is about undergoing temporal punishment for sins already forgiven. The above is very neat and attractive, however, Christ was essentially not a penal substitute. Calvin taught that Christ on the Cross was a penal substitute when in actual fact he was a sacrificial substitute. Christ was not punished in our place; he offered an infinitely meritorious sacrifice to the Father on behalf of humanity. Sure, Isaiah says the following: “He was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed” (Is. 53:5). Christ did receive punishment, but in the context of being a sacrificial lamb. Note the following: “Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed” (1 Cor. 5:7). And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God” (Eph. 5:2). What consequences flow from Christ being a sacrificial rather than penal substitute? Christ’s infinitely meritorious sacrifice merits the opening of Heaven and the forgiveness of our sins and the eternal punishment due for our sins. However, we must still do the temporal punishment due to our sins. Why? Because the damage caused by our sins happens in this world. Christ does not restore the monies we stole or restore the reputation of the people we have damaged by our lies, etc. The repentant Zacchaeus restores the monies he stole, not Christ. What Zacchaeus did is in line with the following words of St Paul: "Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church” (Col. 1:24). How can St Paul speak of what is "wanting in the sufferings of Christ"? How can Christ's sufferings be wanting, especially if what he did on the Cross was infinitely meritorious? This sounds blasphemous. St Paul's words are not blasphemous because, as said above, it is us, not Christ who must restore the damaged caused by our sins in the world. This restoration by us is part of the sacrificial lives we ought to live as followers of Christ. If Christ is the exemplar of sacrifice then we, to be in his likeness, must be people of sacrifice in our daily Christian lives. It is not about buying our way into heaven or substituting our merits for his, but uniting our good works to his. The following verses from Scripture show how Christians are called to live like Christ and link our sacrifices with his: • “take up the Cross” (Matt. 10:38). • “bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God” (Rom. 12:1). • (Almsgiving) “a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God” (Phil. 4:18). These sacrifices made by us are not in substitution of Christ’s sacrifice but are done in union with his, hence their value to remit temporal punishment for sin.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Drayton, Finally - The following are extracts from the writings of certain Church Fathers on praying for and offering Masses for the dead. These Fathers are from Africa, Asia Minor and Jerusalem. They illustrate that believe in a Purgatory was the faith of the universal Church in ancient times, not a “Roman Catholic invention” as some claim: Tertullian, The Soul 58, 8 (inter AD 208-212) “In short, if we understand that prison of which the Gospel speaks to be Hades, and if we interpret the last farthing to be the light offense which is to be expiated there before the resurrection, no one will doubt that the soul undergoes some punishments in Hades, without prejudice to the fullness of the resurrection, after which recompense will be made through the flesh also.” Tertullian, The Crown 3, 3-5 (AD 211) “The Sacrament of the Eucharist, which the Lord commanded to be taken at meal times and by all, we take even before daybreak in congregations, but from the hand of none others except the presidents ... We offer sacrifices for the dead on their birthday anniversaries … We take anxious care lest something of our Cup or Bread should fall upon the ground.” Tertullian, Monogamy 10, 1 (post AD 213) “A woman, after the death of her husband, is bound not less firmly but even more so, not to marry another husband ... Indeed, she prays for his soul and asks that he may, while waiting, find rest; and that he may share in the first resurrection. And each year, on the anniversary of his death, she offers the Sacrifice.” St Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 23 (Mystagogic 5), 10 (c. AD 350) “Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, Apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep; for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn Sacrifice is laid out.” St Gregory of Nyssa, Sermon on the Dead (AD 383) “After his departure out of the body, he gains knowledge of the difference between virtue and vice, and finds that he is not able to partake of divinity until he has been purged of the filthy contagion in his soul by the purifying fire.” St John Chrysostom, Homilies on First Corinthians 41, 5 (c. AD 392) “Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.” St Augustine of Hippo, Confessions Bk. 9, 2 (AD 400) St Augustine’s mother, St Monica, on her death-bed said to him: “This one request I make of you, that, wherever you be, you remember me at the Lord’s altar.” St Augustine of Hippo, The Care that Should be Taken for the Dead 1, 3 (AD 421) “We read in the book of Maccabees that the sacrifice was offered for the dead. But even if it were found nowhere in the Old Testament writings, the authority of the universal Church which is clear on this point is of no small weight, where in the prayers of the priest poured forth to the Lord God at his altar the commendation of the dead has its place.” I would like to invite you to contact Catholic Answers in San Diego for further information on Purgatory and other Catholic teachings you may disagree with. You may be in for a real surprise. God bless, Robert Haddad

[@billsmith147]

Mr. Haddad, Your video is 1hour 29 minutes. It is hard to extract biblical verses you are basing the existence of Purgatory on. Most of your video is spent on giving your personal opinion on Purgatory. It seems you love to hear the sound of your own voice. How about listing your scriptural verses for Purgatory's existence for us?

[@roberthaddad7850]

Bill,I am somewhat disappointed with the tone of your email. I give these talks to build the faith of Catholics, not to simply listen to my own voice. The talk focussed on the background theology of Protestantism to understand why they reject Purgatory at a deeper level, rather than simply on the allegation that it is not mentioned in Scripture.Nevertheless, below are the quotes which point to a Purgatory in Scripture with a bit of my own commentary: Protestants are always very quick to assert that the doctrine of Purgatory is unbiblical, insisting that there is only heaven and hell. However, as we have just seen, 2 Macc. 12:43-45 shows that the Jews in the Old Testament certainly believed in a state where the dead could profit from the sacrifices and prayers of the living. The full text of this passage reads as follows: “He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” Protestants deny the canonicity of the Maccabean books, nevertheless, their historical value cannot be denied. Even Jewish prayer books today contain prayers for the dead (the Mourner’s Qaddish). If the Jews had invented the doctrine of Purgatory or prayers for the dead, undoubtedly Jesus would have condemned such, as He condemned them for a long list of changes in doctrine and discipline in Matt. 23. Furthermore, the doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Mt 12:32). According to Pope St Gregory the Great, these words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come” or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in heaven or hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Lk 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In heaven there will be no beatings; in hell only severe beatings. The light beatings are for those who will be punished in Purgatory for their venial sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Lk 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbor. If we have not reconciled with our neighbor before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of purification that takes place before the soul enters heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, made perfect by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mk 10:38-39; Lk 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Finally, the Scriptures give one clear example of another place besides heaven and hell in the next world. St Peter tells us (1 Pet. 3:19) that after his death Jesus preached his redemption “to the spirits in prison.” Based on this, the concept of another temporary, intermediate place such as Purgatory is not totally out of the question.

[@ewaldradavich7307]

@@roberthaddad7850 . If u preach purgatory then u deny the finished work of Jesus & what He accomplished on the cross. There's no place in accepted scripture where we r 2 pray for the dead & 2 the dead. Then Jesus died on the cross He said it is finished paid n full. All our sins r paid 4 once we accept His death burial and resurrection as payment for our sins. Period

[@roberthaddad7850]

Ewald, it seems to me that you have not watched my video. If you had you would have received the answers to your objections. I invite you to watch the video in full and then send me any objections, etc.

[@ewaldradavich7307]

@@roberthaddad7850. Check out www.gotquestions.org & type in What does the bible say about purgatory?

[@4309chris]

@@ewaldradavich7307 gotquestions is an anti- catholic rag of rubbish. is that your bible authority? a ".org" site?

[@reynaldovelasco5129]

St. Faustina and Sr Lucia were shown Purgatory..

[@brunoport]

Sr Lucia not sure if purgatory was shown to her, but she saw hell for sure, where poor souls go mostly because of carnal sin.

[@reynaldovelasco5129]

@@brunoport Be very careful on what you say, even more on what you post.

[@brunoport]

And that's because i stated the obvious? I simply said that i don't know if she saw purgatory, but i know she had the visions of hell because the virgin Mary showed it to her.

[@josephpioneer5182]

Padre PIO 👊 🇮🇪

[@georgelaham7402]

eso si que son puras charadas, de viejas

[@beantrader4723]

God's Word in the Bible refutes what the RCC teaches about Mary, dead creations & angels. God said "believers go to the grave at death, where they "sleep" until the resurrection" (I Cor 15). God never contradicts himself which means 'Mary' (or any of the dead) can not be on earth in any form & r incapable of seeing, hearing or returning before the return of Christ? No one on earth knows 'who' will end up in heaven or hell so why does the RCC pray to human creations instead of only the Creator? The Bible plainly says that "no man has ascended to heaven" John 3:13 & "All have sinned" Rom 3:23, & "no one is truly righteous" Rom 3:19, & Jn 5:28 "a time is coming when 'all' who are in their graves will hear his voice & come out" (God didn't say 'except 4 Mary'). Pls explain the RCC ignoring God & His teachings only to promote contradictions that serve the creation & 'not' the Creator. “For there is one God, & one mediator also between God & men, the man Christ Jesus” 1 Tim. 2:5. "Is God a liar"? Isa 6:3, or is man a liar? "In vain, they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of MEN" Mt 15:9 This is very important, pls answer soon. God said do NOT add or delete from his Word/Bible & that's what the RCC has done for centuries.

[@579JPGD]

Let's Pray to GOD for all the Souls in Purgatory ... So many souls in Purgatory that no one prays for their souls . So , we must include those souls that nobody prays for them . May God bless us all ...

[@josephpioneer5182]

🇮🇪😎😁👍😇

[@balukuroben7458]

Iam not catholic yet, but my Late grand father who was an anglican preacher several times spoke to me about visions of Heaven,Hell, and place where souls were purified, I was about 11yrs Old ,& then I had not known this catholic doctrine on purgatory,so I understand God always showed my papa this purgatory.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Interesting. I hope and pray you consider Catholicism one day. god bless.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

If purgatory is biblical then it's from God. But if it's not it comes from devil. The bible and the bible alone is the foundation of our faith.

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Don't believe your grandpa before you believe God in His word. Your grandpa can be deceived by the devil. God's word and law will stand forever.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@roberthaddad7850 Am already on my way to catholicism, the Holy Spirit is evangelizing me.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@mkhululinxumalo2713 There is nothing called scriputure alone in the scripture. Instead Jesus said: John16:12 “I have much more to tell you, but now it would be too much for you to bear. 13 When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth about God, he will lead you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own authority, but he will speak of what he hears and will tell you of things to come. 14 He will give me glory, because he will take what I say and tell it to you. 15 All that my Father has is mine; that is why I said that the Spirit will take what I give him and tell it to you. {So Jesus did not reveal all truth to the Apostles, the Holy Spirit is always at work to reveal more truth to the church today, even through private revelations as long as it does not invalidate the already established revelations}.

[@neilanadams5173]

Does the Church tradition not teach that purgatory is part of hell and that traditionally hell is in the centre of the Earth!? God Bless Dr.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Neilan, if by Hell you mean Hades, or the Underworld, then Purgatory is part of Hades, but separate from the Hell of the damned. St Thomas mentions in his Summa that St Gregory the Great believed Hell to be in the centre of the earth. St Thomas seems to agree. God bless, Robert

[@neilanadams5173]

@@roberthaddad7850 Thank you Dr. You are a star. God bless.

[@BronxCat]

Everyone thinks they are Saved!!!!!! Because they think they are Good People!!!!!!! Aaaaaaahhhh....

[@thebiblestudyhelper9389]

Purgatory is the place where bodies are glorified .. purgatory is baptism in the fire body of God himself . The body of God is a firestorm and a river of fire flows from the throne of God . Fire is the lifeblood of God so his lifeblood purifies and purges sin . This is the origin and principal of being cleansed by the blood of Jesus . This is why sacrifice of animals provided atonement for sin ....it is the same principals over and over .

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

Big lies. They is no purgatory in the bible.

[@romanusnjong2350]

You are still at the zero level of faith, not everything God wants you to do must be written in the bible. You are yet to establish a personal relationship /communication with God. The earlier you begin, the better @@mkhululinxumalo2713

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@romanusnjong2350 "you still at the zero level" is that the Christian talking. Are the judge? In other words you are telling me that I am a Satanist, because to be zero in God you 100% in Satan. What does Isaiah 8v20KJV say to you? If Paul says the word of God is for reproof, correction etc so that we can be wise in salvation, does he include tradition there? Does he include rosary, baptism of sprinkling, praying through Mary etc which abomination? Jesus once said "sanctify them by your truth, for your word is truth". In Matt 15v3 Jesus rebukes tradition. Early apostles they didn't follow tradition but Christ only.

[@karenrobson5254]

St. Faustina went to Purgatory and to Hell......she saw both and wrote about them in her Diary.

[@johnbrowne3950]

Nonsense. She must ave been demon possessed.

[@ejbanawa]

The Virgin Mary also confirmed Purgatory on her "Private revelations" which, if it is not true, she will not do..

[@donhaddix3770]

New International Version Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

[@roberthaddad7850]

Don, correct, and it is in this one on one judgement with Jesus Christ that each person is told whether they go to Purgatory or not before Heaven.

[@dhaddix41]

@@roberthaddad7850 No such thing as purgatory. You go straight to heaven or hell.

[@roberthaddad7850]

@@dhaddix41 Don, I invite you to watch my video in full for the Biblical proofs for Purgatory, otherwise you may wish to read through the following: Protestants are always very quick to assert that the doctrine of Purgatory is unbiblical, insisting that there is only heaven and hell. However, as we have just seen, 2 Macc. 12:43-45 shows that the Jews in the Old Testament certainly believed in a state where the dead could profit from the sacrifices and prayers of the living. The full text of this passage reads as follows: “He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” Protestants deny the canonicity of the Maccabean books, nevertheless, their historical value cannot be denied. Even Jewish prayer books today contain prayers for the dead (the Mourner’s Qaddish). If the Jews had invented the doctrine of Purgatory or prayers for the dead, undoubtedly Jesus would have condemned such, as He condemned them for a long list of changes in doctrine and discipline in Matt. 23. Furthermore, the doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Mt 12:32). According to Pope St Gregory the Great, these words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come”, or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in heaven or hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Lk 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In heaven there will be no beatings; in hell only severe beatings. The light beatings are for those who will be punished in Purgatory for their venial sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Lk 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbor. If we have not reconciled with our neighbor before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of purification that takes place before the soul enters heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, made perfect by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mk 10:38-39; Lk 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Finally, the Scriptures give one clear example of another place besides heaven and hell in the next world. St Peter tells us (1 Pet. 3:19) that after his death Jesus preached his redemption “to the spirits in prison.” Based on this, the concept of another temporary, intermediate place such as Purgatory is not totally out of the question. God bless, Robert

[@dhaddix41]

@@roberthaddad7850 59 years of study. Maccabees is not in the Bible. The Catholic Church did not exist at the time of the apostles. It began 300 years later. Just as the Pope does not exist in the Bible. Nor your priesthood. The servant you speak has no reference to the dead. Same as the debtor in prison. As well escaping through fire speaks of born-again that accumulate no rewards, but since salvation cannot be lost they survive. All born-again are glorified when they passed from this life or are taken in the rapture. Onesiphorus was very much alive. the Bible clearly declares in Old Testament times the Saints went to the bosom of Abraham/paradise, which is in the bottomless pit. Hell is also in the bottomless pit. when Jesus' spirit descended the bottomless pit, he preached the gospel to the spirits because they were Old Testament and never have heard the gospel. He then led spirits in paradise to heaven after resurrection. Those in hell remained because the Bible is clear the dead in hell and the lake of fire never repent. the Bible is crystal clear Christ died on the cross for all sins and those who are born again have all the sins forgiven. There is no such thing as any person being able to work out any sin. Thus there is no such thing as purgatory.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Don, It is quite evident that yours is a Baptist theology. You do know that the Baptist Church was only founded in 1607 by John Smyth? Since the Baptist church was not founded by Jesus Christ in AD 30 (as the Catholic Church was), this automatically disqualifies it as a divine authority to teach, govern, sanctify and interpret the Scriptures. Why leave the Church Jesus Christ founded for one founded by a man in the early 17th century? Regards, Robert

[@hackprine5691]

There is no need for purgatory now.....

[@caoimhin61plunkett52]

You cannot speak of INFINITE merits also requiring temporal merits due to sin. It is either UN Conditional or it is NOT ? See Prodigal Son. Yes I have read Catherine of Genoa and many others. I am older than you not that it matters. But what you say is absurd. As the Bard said, 'If this not be true then no man EVER loved.....' I worked in health care for years. A young priest, though he was older than me then, read Catherine of Genoa. I gave to him. He was dying. 45 years old. He said to me on his dying bed, 'K, you will never get to Heaven walking backwards out of hell....' Which is it Rob. Love or fear. ? Love casts OUT FEAR. Do YOU believe this ? Is YOUR faith PURIFIED enough ? Have you suffered enough ?

[@brianguglielmin2873]

If in Christ the soul goes to Heaven and if not to Hades the holding pen of soul lost and awaiting the Dimension of the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels on the Last Great Judgment Day of All- Just and Unjust with the Unjust cast outside of the merged New Heaven and New Earth. John 6:40 & 12:48, 2 Peter 3:10-13.❤🙏

[@carolmueller748]

The dead are not conscious according to Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, and the soul dies, Ezekiel 18:4,20. Liars and false teachers who teach what the Devil wants, will be destroyed at Armageddon. Very, very soon. Psalms 37:9-11,29. Who do you believe? God or the Devil? Eve believed the Devil! Will you? Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:4.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear Carol, Thank you for your thoughts. As a believer in Jesus Christ I hope you understand that it is always my endeavour to speak and teach the truth. I presume that you are directing your words to me, accusing me of being a false teacher and preferring the Devil over God. If so, I invite you to please read the following: It should be noted that the verses you quote were written at a time when Jewish understanding of the after-life was not yet fully developed. In later centuries, the Jews would have a better understanding of both the after-life and the intercessory role of the dead. Consequently, Baruch could utter the following prayer: “O Lord Almighty, God of Israel, hear now the prayer of the dead of Israel and of the sons of those who sinned before thee, who did not heed the voice of the Lord their God, so that calamities have clung to us” (Bar. 3:4). The Jews would also record how Onias saw the deceased Prophet Jeremiah praying for Israel: “What he saw was this: Onias, who had been high priest, a noble and good man, of modest bearing and gentle manner, one who spoke fittingly and had been trained from childhood in all that belongs to excellence, was praying with outstretched hands for the whole body of the Jews. Then likewise a man appeared, distinguished by his gray hair and dignity, and of marvelous majesty and authority. And Onias spoke, saying, ‘This is a man who loves the brethren and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God.’ Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave to Judas a golden sword, and as he gave it he addressed him thus: ‘Take this holy sword, a gift from God, with which you will strike down your adversaries’” (2 Macc. 15:12-16). At the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, Moses and Elijah appeared talking with Jesus (Mt 17:3). This would have been impossible if they had been “dead” according to your understanding. In relating to the Pharisees the parable of the Lost Sheep, Jesus stated, “there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents” (Lk 15:10). St Paul also says, “we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels and to men” (1 Cor. 4:9). Furthermore, in his discourse to the Sadducees, Jesus declared that the Just dead are “equal to angels” (Lk 20:36) for God “is not God of the dead, but of the living; for all live in him” (Lk 20:38). In Heb. 12:1 the Old Testament saints are called “a cloud of witnesses” (nephos marturon) that surround the believers in Jesus. Hence, it follows that both angels and humans in heaven are aware of what is happening on earth. This is because they possess the Beatific Vision that enables them to see in God whatever knowledge is relevant to them. That is, they become ‘multi-scient’: “Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully” (1 Cor. 13:12). In their glorified state the saints are capable of unimaginable things, including hearing multiple prayers in various languages. The devil himself, though he is finite, is aware of many things simultaneously and is engaged in multiple activities. Consider also the following passage: “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). In this text St Paul explains to the faithful that although they are still on earth, they are in communion with the heavenly Jerusalem and with the dead saints, those just men made perfect. The faithful on earth are not in communion with the bodies of the saints buried in peace, but with their souls. Death does not inhibit this communion. I am happy to receive a further response from yourself. If you choose to do so, please do so with charity and gentleness. God bless, Robert.

[@Jack-bd4ep]

Why do you pray to the dead?for what reason?.Everybody will be judged accordings to their works while on earth.In the story of Lazarus Lord Jesus told the richman that he cannot cross to Abraham bosom because of the gulf that separated the Torments and Abraham bosom.It is very clear,once you were condemned to the place they call TORMENTS YOU CANNOT CROSS OVER.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Jack, I invite you to watch my video in full, wherein you will discover answers to your questions. Praying for or to the dead has nothing to do with enabling souls to move from eternal damnation to Heaven - once in Hell forever in hell as you state. However, there is evidence in Scripture for a Purgatory. Please consider the following: 2 Maccabees 12:43-45 shows that the Jews in the Old Testament certainly believed in a state where the dead could profit from the sacrifices and prayers of the living. The full text of this passage reads as follows: “He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” You may deny the canonicity of the Maccabean books, nevertheless, their historical value cannot be denied. Even Jewish prayer books today contain prayers for the dead (the Mourner’s Qaddish). If the Jews had invented the doctrine of Purgatory or prayers for the dead, undoubtedly Jesus would have condemned such, as he condemned them for a long list of changes in doctrine and discipline in Matt. 23. The doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32). These words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come” (en to mellonti), or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in Heaven or Hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Luke 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In Heaven there will be no beatings; in Hell only severe beatings. The “light beatings” must be those that are administered in another place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. Luke 12:47-48 illustrates another purpose of Purgatory, namely, as a place of temporal punishment for unrepented venial, or less grave sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Luke 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbour. If we have not reconciled with our neighbour before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” Since souls do not get out of Heaven or Hell, then they must be getting out from a third place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. This verse illustrates the following aspects of Purgatory, namely, a place of temporary detention, a place where souls must pay an outstanding debt (“pay the very last copper”), a place from which are freed when that debt is paid (“you will never get out TILL…”). “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of firey purification that takes place before the soul enters Heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai) and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says, “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, “made perfect” by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. Purgatory does not replace Christ; it is Christ’s instrument of final purification. We all need this final purification because no-one is perfect and Scripture elsewhere says “nothing unclean” (Rev. 21:27) can enter Heaven. Some of the imperfections we need to be purified of are not necessarily sins, they could be excessive attachments to creatures, bad habits, etc. To be in Heaven we must be perfect, not simply “covered’ by Christ’s merits (as Luther and Calvin taught - “imputed righteousness”). Imputed righteousness is contrary to Scripture, which instead teaches that we become “temples of the Holy Spirit” wherein the Holy Trinity indwells in our souls (see John 7:38; John 14:23). Imputed righteousness dishonours Christ by asserting that he does not actually make his followers holy, but simply ‘covers up’ our sinful nature rather than washing sin away (see Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 for how baptism washes away sin, not simply covers it up). “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of living Christians in the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. They would only do this if they believed departed Christians were in a place (namely, Purgatory) where they could actually be assisted by their sacrifices, prayers, etc. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Why would St Paul be praying for a dead Christian unless he believed that the dead Christian still needed the Lord’s mercy, a mercy he wouldn’t need if he were in Heaven or Hell. God bless, Robert

[@josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517]

I believe it is well known that hell and purgatory or on the same heating system. Everything he says is true except it is a place for contrition, not joy. My take. After purgatory then heaven, that is true.

[@johnbrowne3950]

Roman Catholics invented Purgatory because they have no idea what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross. As a former Roman Catholic, I never met a Catholic who believed they were going to heaven when they die even though said you could know. Someone is lying to you. Is it Jesus or your church? Read John 1:12 and Acts 16:31.

[@39knights]

@@johnbrowne3950 Funny coming from someone who left the Only Church, the Apostolic Church, the Church created by Jesus; for a sect that was invented either by or as a division of a mentally disturbed German Catholic Priest-Monk in the 1500's. Talk about invented things.

[@johnbrowne3950]

@@39knights I left a superstitous, ritualistic, praying for the dead, praying to the saints, idol worshiping church that Jesus didn't create and would have nothing to do with today.

[@39knights]

@@johnbrowne3950 No. You left the Church Christ established on Earth to aid in our Salvation. You are now part of a man-made false church which can do nothing for you. You are now in a superstitious dead sect which you only think can do what Christ's True Church can. Like everything else the demons trick you into; it is reversed and upside-down from the Truth.

[@johnbrowne3950]

@@39knights We don't need a church to aid in salvation. We only need Jesus Christ to save us and the Bible to guide us. The Roman Catholic Church is a wolf in sheep's clothing and an abomination. The Vatican is the house of the anti-Christ. "Come out of her my people that ye may not partake in her sins; and that ye receive not her plagues." - Revelation 18:14

[@sansebastiansj]

There is one bible verse that anihilates your notion of purgatory. 1 John 1:7: "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." If you believe in purgatory that means Jesus sacrifice was not sufficent, which means you have fake jesus.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear San Sebastian, Firstly, Purgatory is not my notion, but rather insinuated in NT Scripture, namely, in Luke 12:47-48 (the "light beating"), Luke 12:58-59 ("never get out till you have paid the last copper"), 1 Cor. 3:10-15 ("he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire"), Heb. 12:22-23 ("spirits of the just men made perfect"). These verses together build the case for a place where Christians who are forgiven can or must nevertheless still undergo light or temporary punishment or a process of firey purification after death. This cannot be in Hell as punishment there is heavy and permanent without purification, or Heaven where there is no punishment or purification needed. It must be in another, third place, which the Church founded by Christ calls Purgatory. I agree that my Christ is not the same as yours. The concept that Jesus' merits are "sufficient" is a Calvinist one. Calvin limited Christ's merits for the elect only. The Catholic Church teaches that Christ's merits on the Cross are infinite, and hence more than merely "sufficient" to atone for the sins of the whole world, open Heaven, and merit for humanity the grace of justification. It is Calvin's Christ who is limited and therefore "fake", to use your word. Furthermore, it is not good exegesis to simply quote one verse from Scripture and claim that this verse "annihilates" all other verses that support the concept of Purgatory. You need to engage the other verses I have quoted and reconcile them with the verse you have quoted. I need to ask, have you watched my whole video, or have you simply posted a quick comment to 'knock me out.' If the latter, you unfortunately behave like many Protestant Christians who intemperantly launch attacks without first properly hearing the whole Catholic argument. I invite you to watch my video in full. As for 1 John 1:7 - "But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." Yes, Jesus' blood does cleanse us from all sin and this begins formally with adults with faith and baptism. We are then in the grace of God and we are freed from eternal punishment. But this does not mean that we are free from all temporal punishment. Let me give you an example from the Gospel. You are familiar with the story of Zacchaeus. He was converted by Christ and therefore was "cleansed from all sin." After converting, he chose to give half of what he stole to the poor and repay anyone he ripped off fourfold. Christ praised him for this. Note, it would not have been sufficient if Zacchaeus chose not to restore those monies. His total forgiveness was dependent on this restoration, which was in effect Zacchaeus' obligatory 'temporal punishment' for his sin. Christ's infinite merits opens Heaven for Zacchaeus and all repentant sinners but Christ cannot or does not restore the monies Zacchaeus stole - Zacchaeus must do this. If he won't do it he is not truly repentant and not forgiven; if he fails to do this before he dies he will do this temporal punishment in Purgatory.

[@sansebastiansj]

@@roberthaddad7850 You can't have both ways. If it says "cleanses from all sins", than a true, born again christian does not need purification. That is an insult to Jesus's sacrifice. How can you see purgatory in verses you brought up- I honestly don't know."Furthermore, it is not good exegesis to simply quote one verse from Scripture and claim that this verse "annihilates" all other verses" Yes, please apply this to yourself and read verses you brought up in the rightful context. And about that story about Zacchaeus: He chose to give monies back, because after the convertion, he felt quilty. See what you wrote: CHOSE. Jesus did not ask him to do this, he didn't have to, but he CHOSE to. This is what true, born again christian does. We can't undo all of our bad things we have done in the past. That sins are purified by the blood of Jesus. "But this does not mean that we are free from all temporal punishment." This statement is based on nothing from the scripture. You're teaching that sin has double consequence. That is incorrect. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." EVERY sin is punished by death no matter how big or small, but if we turn to Jesus, we are purified from all of them hence 1 John 1:7.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear San Sebastian, Permit me to respond to your latest sentence by sentence. You say: You can't have both ways. If it says "cleanses from all sins", than a true, born again Christian does not need purification. That is an insult to Jesus's sacrifice. I say: When someone converts to Christ and is born again (NB: “of water and the Holy Spirit” [John 3:3-5] - namely Christian baptism “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” [Matt. 28:19]) that person is definitely purified of all sin and is freed from both eternal and temporal punishment due to their previous sins. This is in line with 1 John 1:7 and certainly not an “insult” to Christ as you claim. What I perceive here as mistaken on your part is to assume that after such a conversion the Christian will never sin again, reflecting the non-Scriptural positions of Calvinists (“perseverance of the saints”) or the Baptist variant (“once saved, always saved”). However, the Scriptures are adamant in many places that a true Christian can sin and fall away (see, for example, Luke 8:12-13 -“The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved. And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.” Sin after baptism requires subsequent repentance, forgiveness of sin and penance for that sin. The penance must be an attempt to undo any damage caused by that sin, for example, an apology to my wife if I insulted her. Yes, when I repent Christ forgives me of my sin and remits any eternal punishment due for that sin, but Christ does not make the apology to my wife on my behalf. I should do that while still alive in this world. More to come.

[@roberthaddad7850]

You say: How can you see purgatory in verses you brought up - I honestly don't know. "Furthermore, it is not good exegesis to simply quote one verse from Scripture and claim that this verse "annihilates" all other verses" Yes, please apply this to yourself and read verses you brought up in the rightful context. I say: I am happy to do what you ask. Let’s look at the verses I provide you in more detail, and some others as well. 2 Maccabees 12:43-45 shows that the Jews in the Old Testament certainly believed in a state where the dead could profit from the sacrifices and prayers of the living. The full text of this passage reads as follows: “He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably, taking account of the resurrection. For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.” You no doubt deny the canonicity of the Maccabean books, nevertheless, their historical value cannot be denied. Even Jewish prayer books today contain prayers for the dead (the Mourner’s Qaddish). If the Jews had invented the doctrine of Purgatory or prayers for the dead, undoubtedly Jesus would have condemned such, as he condemned them for a long list of changes in doctrine and discipline in Matt. 23. The doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32). These words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come” (en to mellonti - evn tw'/ mevllonti), or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in Heaven or Hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Luke 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In Heaven there will be no beatings; in Hell only severe beatings. The “light beatings” must be those that are administered in another place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. Luke 12:47-48 illustrates another purpose of Purgatory, namely, as a place of temporal punishment for unrepented venial, or less grave sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Luke 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbour. If we have not reconciled with our neighbour before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” Since souls do not get out of Heaven or Hell, then they must be getting out from a third place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. This verse illustrates the following aspects of Purgatory, namely, a place of temporary detention, a place where souls must pay an outstanding debt (“pay the very last copper”), a place from which are freed when that debt is paid (“you will never get out TILL…”). “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of firey purification that takes place before the soul enters Heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai (zhmiwqhvsetai) and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says, “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, “made perfect” by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. Purgatory does not replace Christ; it is Christ’s instrument of final purification. We all need this final purification because no-one is perfect and Scripture elsewhere says “nothing unclean” (Rev. 21:27) can enter Heaven. Some of the imperfections we need to be purified of are not necessarily sins, they could be excessive attachments to creatures, bad habits, etc. To be in Heaven we must be perfect, not simply “covered’ by Christ’s merits (as Luther and Calvin taught - “imputed righteousness”). Imputed righteousness is contrary to Scripture, which instead teaches that we become “temples of the Holy Spirit” wherein the Holy Trinity indwells in our souls (see John 7:38; John 14:23). Imputed righteousness dishonours Christ by asserting that he does not actually make his followers holy, but simply ‘covers up’ our sinful nature rather than washing sin away (see Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 for how baptism washes away sin, not simply covers it up). “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of living Christians in the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. They would only do this if they believed departed Christians were in a place (namely, Purgatory) where they could actually be assisted by their sacrifices, prayers, etc. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Why would St Paul be praying for a dead Christian unless he believed that the dead Christian still needed the Lord’s mercy, a mercy he wouldn’t need if he were in Heaven or Hell. More to come.

[@roberthaddad7850]

You say: And about that story about Zacchaeus: He chose to give monies back, because after the conversion, he felt guilty. See what you wrote: CHOSE. Jesus did not ask him to do this, he didn't have to, but he CHOSE to. This is what true, born again Christian does. We can't undo all of our bad things we have done in the past. I say: A true born-again Christian is someone “born of water and the Spirit” (John 3:3-5), namely a faithful follower of Christ baptised in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” (Matt. 28:19). Certainly, Zacchaeus CHOSE to pay back the stolen monies. He needed to. If he didn’t so choose Christ would not have praised him. This episode proves that the repentant sinner needs to both accept Christ and make restitution for their sin in this life. Christ does not make the restitution; we need to. If we do not carry out this restitution in this life as the discharging of our temporal punishment then it will be paid in the next life, namely Purgatory, where we will be freed only after we “have paid the very last copper” (Luke 12:58-59). You say: You're teaching that sin has double consequence. That is incorrect. Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Scripture does illustrate that there are temporal, as well as eternal punishments for sin. For example, humanity is still subject to the temporal punishments of labor, pain, sickness and death even though we have now been redeemed and baptised. Also, King David still had to endure the temporal punishment of the death of his infant son even after he had been forgiven for murdering Uriah (2 Sam. 12:13ff.). Likewise, Moses was still excluded from the Promised Land after God forgave him for striking the rock at the Waters of Contradiction (Num. 20:12). It may also be asked why God leaves temporal penalties in place after removing eternal penalties for sins. It is a question, first, of discharging a debt of honour, making a gesture of reparation even after the real reparation has already been completed. This is the meaning of Col. 1:24: “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church.” Penance also has a rehabilitative effect. It helps us to learn from our sins and restore the loss or damage caused by them. Finally, penance satisfies our innate need to mourn for tragedies and sin, especially mortal sin, which is the greatest tragedy that can befall a person. If you do not believe in temporal punishment, then you would logically believe that an imprisoned murderer should be automatically released from prison if he/she converts to Christianity. Yes, such a convicted murderer has been forgiven their eternal punishment but still needs to do “time for the crime” (namely, temporal punishment). The reality is that the purgatorial cleansing we endure for sin is in a special way a consequence of Jesus’ sacrifice for us. Jesus’ sufferings paid the price for our sanctification from beginning to end. Purgatory is our final sanctification. If Jesus had not suffered there would be no Purgatory and therefore no final sanctification at all. Rather, there would be only a permanent exclusion from Heaven for the imperfect! More to come.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Paul and the Repentant Thief knew soul would go direct to be with Christ at death and as well Stephen the first Christian martyr. Best to get back to scripture over mens ideas and traditions and some said private revelation not in sinq with God's Word.❤

[@roberthaddad7850]

Brian, I think it would be best to watch my whole video and see that I provide numerous Scripture supports for belief in a Purgatory. I very strongly follow Scripture and belong to the Church Christ founded, in contrast to the denominations founded by men in violation of Christ's priestly prayer uttered in John 17. God bless. Robert

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Yes, i have been thorough on the idea of the soul after death and if any needed purgatory it would be Paul and the thief on the cross but Christ instantly transforms souls in Him after death to be present with Him with no desire to sin ever again nor need to be prayed for to reach Heaven nor is toll houses or many levels under Heaven needed to pass through. That is all traditions of catholic church that have stuck over the centuries and thank God for Luther exposing purgatory and indulences simony abuse threatening poor souls to purchase way to Heaven to build St Peters for popes.❤

[@thf8961]

Jesus on the cross told the dying repentant thief he will be with Him in paradise. Jesus did not for once in the 4 books of the gospels and the book of revelation mention purgatory but only heaven or hell. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:42‭-‬43 KJV

[@roberthaddad7850]

TH F, please watch the whole of my video to the the New Testament evidence for Purgatory. Furthermore, the 'paradise' Jesus spoke of to the Good Thief was not Heaven but Abraham's Bosom, as Christ descended to the underworld after he died and preached to those spirits that were in prison (1 Peter 3:19-21). Christ did not enter Heaven until after his ascension into Heaven 40 days after his resurrection. God bless, Robert

[@thf8961]

@@roberthaddad7850 Thanks for the explanation. I agree the place paradise that Jesus told the repentant thief is not heaven but Abraham's bosom. However going through fire which you termed as purgatory in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, it is referring to each man's work that will be tried by fire on the "Day" of judgment and not a place called "purgatory" that a believer will be at after he passed away. Moreover the purpose of the fire here is not to purify the sins of a man but to test each man's work. Again if there is such a place as purgatory that a believer goes to after his death, why is Jesus silent on it but on the contrary He only spoke of either heaven or hell. Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 1 Corinthians 3:13‭-‬15 KJV

[@roberthaddad7850]

@@thf8961 Dear TH F, Your interpretation of of 1 Cor 3:10-15 is one I have encountered before but it an interpretation that does not give any attention to the second half of the last sentence. The words “he shall suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary place of punishment that takes place before the soul enters heaven. You, like many Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” Other “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Lk 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In heaven there will be no beatings; in hell only severe beatings. The light beatings are for those who will be punished in Purgatory for their venial sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Lk 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbor. If we have not reconciled with our neighbor before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, made perfect by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mk 10:38-39; Lk 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” For further information in defence of Catholic beliefs, you may go to the Catholic Answers website. God bless, Robert

[@thf8961]

@@roberthaddad7850 Suffer loss in verse 1 Cor 3:15 where those whose work is burnt would mean the loss of reward which is in line with verse 1 Cor 3:14 where those whose work abides receives its reward. This is also in concurrence with Matthew 16:27 where Jesus would come in the Day to reward each according to his works. Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 1 Corinthians 3:13‭-‬15 KJV For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Matthew 16:27 NKJV

[@moisessuarezquintana5860]

A purgatory is not find in the Bible it was create to get money and finish the vatican.

[@carolmueller748]

Did you know that the Bible says that the dead are unconscious, Ecclesiastes 9:5,10. That God told Adam that if he disobeyed, he would "surely die", Genesis 2:17. The word purgatory isn't in the Bible. Heaven and earth were created by God but no mention of him creating a place to torture his children. If he told Adam that he would "surely die" but then turned around and tortured him eternally, wouldn't that make God a liar. Would you ever believe another word he spoke? The liars are Satan and his earthly children who the Scriptures say will be annihilated, Psalms 145:20, not tortured eternally. God does not lie, Titus 1:2; God is love. Isaiah 42:8

[@roberthaddad7850]

Carol, in response to Ecc. (:5, 10, please consider the following: Baruch uttered the following prayer: “O Lord Almighty, God of Israel, hear now the prayer of the dead of Israel and of the sons of those who sinned before thee, who did not heed the voice of the Lord their God, so that calamities have clung to us” (Bar. 3:4). The Jews would also record how Onias saw the deceased Prophet Jeremiah praying for Israel: “What he saw was this: Onias, who had been high priest, a noble and good man, of modest bearing and gentle manner, one who spoke fittingly and had been trained from childhood in all that belongs to excellence, was praying with outstretched hands for the whole body of the Jews. Then likewise a man appeared, distinguished by his gray hair and dignity, and of marvelous majesty and authority. And Onias spoke, saying, ‘This is a man who loves the brethren and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God.’ Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave to Judas a golden sword, and as he gave it he addressed him thus: ‘Take this holy sword, a gift from God, with which you will strike down your adversaries’” (2 Macc. 15:12-16). At the Transfiguration on Mount Tabor, Moses and Elijah appeared talking with Jesus (Mt 17:3). In Heb. 12:1 the Old Testament saints are called “a cloud of witnesses” (nephos marturon ) that surround the believers in Jesus. Hence, it follows that both angels and humans in heaven are aware of what is happening on earth. This is because they possess the Beatific Vision that enables them to see in God whatever knowledge is relevant to them. That is, they become ‘multi-scient’: “Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully” (1 Cor. 13:12). In their glorified state the saints are capable of unimaginable things, including hearing multiple prayers in various languages. The devil himself, though he is finite, is aware of many things simultaneously and is engaged in multiple activities. Consider also the following passage: “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). In this text St Paul explains to the faithful that although they are still on earth, they are in communion with the heavenly Jerusalem and with the dead saints, those just men made perfect. In response to your claims regarding Purgatory, please consider the following: The doctrine of Purgatory is implied in the Gospels: “And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32). These words of Jesus infer that there are some sins that can be forgiven “in the age to come” (en to mellonti -   ), or the next life. Now, as this cannot be done in Heaven or Hell, Jesus must have had in mind another state - that which the Church calls Purgatory. “And that servant who knew his master’s will, but did not make ready or act according to his will, shall receive a severe beating. But he who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, shall receive a light beating” (Luke 12:47-48). The master in this passage is Jesus, who when judging us will dispense various punishments, either severe or light. In Heaven there will be no beatings; in Hell only severe beatings. The “light beatings” must be those that are administered in another place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. Luke 12:47-48 illustrates another purpose of Purgatory, namely, as a place of temporal punishment for unrepented venial, or less grave sins. “As you go with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to settle with him on the way, lest he drag you to the judge, and the judge hand you over to the officer, and the officer put you in prison. I tell you, you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper” (Luke 12:58-59). The judge in this parable represents God, the accuser our neighbour. If we have not reconciled with our neighbour before death, God will hold us accountable for the wrong inflicted on him/her. However, it will be a punishment that is only temporary, as implied by the words “you will never get out till you have paid the very last copper.” Since souls do not get out of Heaven or Hell, then they must be getting out from a third place, a place the Church calls Purgatory. This verse illustrates the following aspects of Purgatory, namely, a place of temporary detention, a place where souls must pay an outstanding debt (“pay the very last copper”), a place from which are freed when that debt is paid (“you will never get out TILL…”). “… each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor. 3:13-15). The words “he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” indicate a temporary process of firey purification that takes place before the soul enters Heaven. Some Protestants argue that this verse does not refer to Purgatory, for it is our works and not our souls that will be tested by fire. This might appear to be the case on the surface, nevertheless, it is the soul that will feel the consequences of that testing. This is borne out by the Greek word for “he will suffer loss” which is zemiothesetai and which always refers to punishment. Works cannot be punished; only persons. This is why St Paul says, “he will receive a reward” and “he will suffer loss.” “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect” (Heb. 12:22-23). The “heavenly Jerusalem” is inhabited by “innumerable angels” and “the spirits of just men made perfect.” These spirits are the souls of the Just, “made perfect” by the merits of Jesus applied through the mysterious purifying process the Church calls Purgatory. Purgatory does not replace Christ; it is Christ’s instrument of final purification. We all need this final purification because no-one is perfect and Scripture elsewhere says “nothing unclean” (Rev. 21:27) can enter Heaven. Some of the imperfections we need to be purified of are not necessarily sins, they could be excessive attachments to creatures, bad habits, etc. To be in Heaven we must be perfect, not simply “covered’ by Christ’s merits (as Luther and Calvin taught - “imputed righteousness”). Imputed righteousness is contrary to Scripture, which instead teaches that we become “temples of the Holy Spirit” wherein the Holy Trinity indwells in our souls (see John 7:38; John 14:23). Imputed righteousness dishonours Christ by asserting that he does not actually make his followers holy, but simply ‘covers up’ our sinful nature rather than washing sin away (see Acts 2:38 and Acts 22:16 for how baptism washes away sin, not simply covers it up). “Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf” (1 Cor. 15:29). This passage is one of the most difficult in the Scriptures to understand. The most plausible interpretation is that “baptized” in this context means sufferings and afflictions undergone on behalf of others (Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50). What St Paul was alluding to was the practice of living Christians in the Apostolic Church to sacrifice, pray and fast for the souls of departed Christians. They would only do this if they believed departed Christians were in a place (namely, Purgatory) where they could actually be assisted by their sacrifices, prayers, etc. “May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me - may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day - and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus” (2 Tim. 1:16-18). The sense of this passage is that Onesiphorus is dead at the time of writing and that St Paul is praying for his soul. It is a simple prayer, akin to our present-day funeral utterances, such as “may he rest in peace.” Why would St Paul be praying for a dead Christian unless he believed that the dead Christian still needed the Lord’s mercy, a mercy he wouldn’t need if he were in Heaven or Hell. God bless, Robert

[@roberthaddad7850]

Carol, Regarding Hell, please consider the following: The Old Testament certainly does refer to Hell: “A land of gloom and chaos, where light is as darkness” (Job 10:22). “And they shall go forth and look on the dead bodies of the men that have rebelled against me; for their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh” (Is. 66:24). “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake; some shall live forever, others shall be an everlasting horror and disgrace” (Dan. 12:2). However, despite the protestations of many, hell is also clearly spoken of in the New Testament, both by John the Baptist and Jesus himself: “‘Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees; every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ‘I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry; he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire’” (Mt 3:10-12). “But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire” (Mt 5:22). “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire” (Mt 7:19). “I tell you, many will come from east and west and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth” (Mt 8:11-12). “And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell” (Mt 10:28). “The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers, and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth” (Mt 13:41-42). “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the man by whom the temptation comes! And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life maimed or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire” (Mt 18:7-9). “But when the king came in to look at the guests, he saw there a man who had no wedding garment; and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you get in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and cast him into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth’” (Mt 22:11-13). “And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth” (Mt 25:30). “Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels’” (Mt 25:41). “Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung round his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched” (Mk 9:42-48). “The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus in his bosom. And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame’” (Lk 16:22-24). “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned” (Jn 15:5-6). “And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulphur” (Rev. 19:20). “… and if any one’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire” (Rev. 20:15). God bless, Robert

[@texaslocoman1]

is where Jesus went after he expired went down to preach to these souls

[@reynaldovelasco5129]

Satan hates God's creation of purgatory so much.

[@brucewmclaughlin9072]

Purgatory and Praying for the Dead can not be found in contextual scripture, it can be found by cherry picking verses that the common believer who does not value God's written word above any teaching ,will accept . Jesus atones for all of our sins , we do not atone for any. .

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear Bruce, 'cherry picking' Scripture verses is normally a Protestant activity, accounting for why there are tens of thousands of contrary Protestant denominations. Your comment about certain believers accepting proof texts for Purgfatory, etc., only because they don't "value God's written word above any teaching" is gratutitous and grossly unfair. I, for one, believe in Purgatory and praying for the dead beacuse I believe in written Scripture, including the books of Maccabees which Protestants reject. Christ's work on the Cross was certainly infinitely meritorious and by itself won forgiveness of all sins, but if you are correct as regards penances then Jesus should not have praised Zacchaeus (Luke 19:1-10) for not only repenting of his sins but giving away half his goods to the poor and and repaying those he cheated four-fold. God bless, Robert

[@MessengerKeyson99]

I read the Bible and seen “Heaven” in it, “Hell” in it, but no “Purgatory” why because purgatory is 100% a non real afterlife place, you want to go to heaven make accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and savior and fully trust on him and what he did on the cross for you.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear Keyson, from your comment it seems obvious that you have not watched my video. Please do so and you will hear about the many verses in the Bible that materially support the Catholic teaching on Purgatory. By the way, I do accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and saviour and saviour of the whole world and trust in his work performed on the Cross for us. That is also plain from my video. Furthermore, be careful not to presume to condemn me to Hell. That is not your prerogative. By usurping Christ's authority to judge me in such a rash and harsh way you only endanger your own salvation. God bless, Robert

[@MessengerKeyson99]

Robert Haddad look “The catholic teaching”☝🏽I mean I don’t need to find these verses that has nothing to do with purgatory because it’s a made up place. Purgatory is a made up place Invented by the Catholic Church and then Catholics will try to back up their beliefs by taking and twisting scriptures. I need to find purgatory in the Bible like I can find “Heaven” and “Hell”. Purgatory is not a real place, no one can pray for the dead, once someone died, Judgement is set, eternity is sealed.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@MessengerKeyson99 Then find the word Bible in the scripture, if it is not there then stop believing in the bible.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@MessengerKeyson99 Zechariah 3:The Prophet's Vision of the High Priest 3 In another vision the Lord showed me the High Priest Joshua standing before the angel of the Lord. And there beside Joshua stood Satan,[a] ready to bring an accusation against him. 2 The angel of the Lord[b] said to Satan, “May the Lord condemn you, Satan! May the Lord, who loves Jerusalem, condemn you. This man is like a stick snatched from the fire.” 3 Joshua was standing there, wearing filthy clothes. 4 The angel said to his heavenly attendants, “Take away the filthy clothes this man is wearing.” Then he said to Joshua, “I have taken away your sin and will give you new clothes to wear.” 5 He commanded the attendants to put[c] a clean turban on Joshua's head. They did so, and then they put the new clothes on him while the angel of the Lord stood there.

[@georgepenton808]

The Bible, at 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, specifically says that Purgatory exists. The actual word "Purgatory" is not in the Bible but the word "Bible" is not there either.

[@bobbyrobby3600]

Answer: According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Purgatory is “a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God's grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions.” To summarize, in Catholic theology Purgatory is a place that a Christian’s soul goes to after death to be cleansed of the sins that had not been fully satisfied during life. Is this doctrine of Purgatory in agreement with the Bible? Absolutely not! Jesus died to pay the penalty for all of our sins (Romans 5:8). Isaiah 53:5 declares, “But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His wounds we are healed.” Jesus suffered for our sins so that we could be delivered from suffering. To say that we must also suffer for our sins is to say that Jesus’ suffering was insufficient. To say that we must atone for our sins by cleansing in Purgatory is to deny the sufficiency of the atoning sacrifice of Jesus (1 John 2:2). The idea that we have to suffer for our sins after death is contrary to everything the Bible says about salvation. The primary Scriptural passage Catholics point to for evidence of Purgatory is 1 Corinthians 3:15, which says, “If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” The passage (1 Corinthians 3:12-15) is using an illustration of things going through fire as a description of believers’ works being judged. If our works are of good quality “gold, silver, costly stones,” they will pass through the fire unharmed, and we will be rewarded for them. If our works are of poor quality “wood, hay, and straw,” they will be consumed by the fire, and there will be no reward. The passage does not say that believers pass through the fire, but rather that a believer’s works pass through the fire. 1 Corinthians 3:15 refers to the believer “escaping through the flames,” not “being cleansed by the flames.” Purgatory, like many other Catholic dogmas, is based on a misunderstanding of the nature of Christ’s sacrifice. Catholics view the Mass / Eucharist as a re-presentation of Christ’s sacrifice because they fail to understand that Jesus’ once-for-all sacrifice was absolutely and perfectly sufficient (Hebrews 7:27). Catholics view meritorious works as contributing to salvation due to a failure to recognize that Jesus’ sacrificial payment has no need of additional “contribution” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Similarly, Purgatory is understood by Catholics as a place of cleansing in preparation for heaven because they do not recognize that because of Jesus’ sacrifice, we are already cleansed, declared righteous, forgiven, redeemed, reconciled, and sanctified. The very idea of Purgatory and the doctrines that are often attached to it (prayer for the dead, indulgences, meritorious works on behalf of the dead, etc.) fail to recognize that Jesus’ death was sufficient to pay the penalty for ALL of our sins. Jesus, who was God incarnate (John 1:1, 14), paid an infinite price for our sin. Jesus died for our sins (1 Corinthians 15:3). Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins (1 John 2:2). To limit Jesus’ sacrifice to atoning for original sin or sins committed before salvation is an attack on the Person and Work of Jesus Christ. If we must, in order to be saved, pay for, atone for, or suffer because of our sins, then Jesus’ death was not a perfect, complete, and sufficient sacrifice. For believers, after death is to be "away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). Notice that this does not say "away from the body, in Purgatory with the cleansing fire." No, because of the perfection, completion, and sufficiency of Jesus' sacrifice, we are immediately in the Lord's presence after death, fully cleansed, free from sin, glorified, perfected, and ultimately sanctified.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Bobby,Thank you for your contribution. You have spent much time in your response. Your response is a high quality one, much more erudite than the responses I normally receive.However, it appears to me that you haven't watched my presentation. All the points you make I have heard before and I respond to them in my presentation. I will just make two points. Firstly, you repeat frequently that Catholics, by believing in Purgatory, must therefore believe that Christ's merits were insufficient. This is not the case at all. Knowledgeable practising Catholics believe that Christ's merits were infinite - superabundant - more than sufficient to atone for all the sins of the world. This is contrary to believing that Christ's merits were merely sufficient. Sufficiency is a Calvinist doctrine, which limits Christ's merits to being only sufficient for the elect. It is a heresy to limit Christ's merits as only sufficient as opposed to being superabundant. Second, your interpretation of 1 Cor. 3:10-15 glosses over the words "he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.” Sure, if our works are "wood, hay, straw" they will be consumed by fire but the person being judged will also "suffer loss." What is this loss? It is a loss that will be temporary for the person will still "be saved." Furthermore, this saving will occur after escaping "through (not around) the flames." This is a very accurate description of Purgatory. Someone being judged who suffers only a temporary loss and then enters heaven after passing through the flames.I have much more to say in response to your many comments but unfortunately I am currently at work and can't afford the time. I am happy to respond to any short comments or quotes you may wish to provide.God bless. Robert

[@balukuroben7458]

The Church teaches too, let every one work for Heaven direct, but if you die the minute you denied your neighbor that bread in the refrigerator because you kept it for yr breakfast, you will have to be purged for that, for you to enter heaven.

[@georgepenton808]

Bobby Ryder, Jesus' death on the cross does not give us license to sin like Martin Luther taught. We still have to repent of our sins and give them up if we want to go to Heaven. Most even very good Christians have not completely repented of all our minor faults and failings. Hence Purgatory.

[@Goca-B]

You either follow the teachings of Catholic tradition or God's Word. Both have consequences. I'd rather risk it with God's Word.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear Coga, contrary to your view, Catholic tradition is Apostolic Tradition and entirely consistent with written Scripture. I take no risk in believing that the Word of God is both the written and unwritten word. I would be taking a risk if I just followed self-appointed private and unauthorised interpretations of a mutilated and mistranslated Protestant scripture.

[@Goca-B]

May God bless you and lead you in truth.

[@Goca-B]

Robert Haddad It's not about being Catholic or Protestant or any other religion or cult but rather about believing the infallible Word of God and being led by the Holy Spirit. Man and his teachings are fallible, God is not.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Goca, man's teachings are certainly fallible, that is why I stay clear of Protestantism and adhere to the Church Christ founded and its traditional teachings.

[@Goca-B]

Robert Haddad I wish you well.

[@GODiscomingsoonagain]

Who invent this pogatory thing? in this game is salvation or damnation dont exist in middle. If your not with GOD your with satan. When u die you die in that condition no matter who else pray for you cant help noting for u. 1thessalonians 4-16 and revelation 20 5

[@roberthaddad7850]

May I ask whether you have watched my presentation? if so, you will have all the answers you need to your questions. Regards, Robert

[@alicesbeloved4109]

Lies...

[@roberthaddad7850]

Why? Have you watched the whole video or is this just your impulsive response to hearing that there is scriptural support for Purgatory?

[@johnbrowne2170]

In Purgatory a giant marshmello bunny beats the souls of the dead around the head with a Nerf bat every day until their time is up.

[@goldsurfer48]

Lol.

[@Jasmin-ux5ho]

oh you have been there then?

[@kkdoc7864]

There is no purgatory. If you believe that man needs to suffer for his own salvation you deny the sacrifice of Christ who died for forgiveness of ALL sins. Mary was a sinner, too as Scripture states. How long did she spend in the alleged purgatory? You are making up mortal and venial sins as well as everything you are saying now, just repeating Roman church councils, not truth. God hates all sin, and no matter how good we are, we sin everyday. If you hate your brother, you are guilty of murder, a mortal sin. If you lust after a woman, you are guilty of adultery. And if you’ve broken any part of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole law-- mortal and venial sins alike. You are saying then that since everybody commits mortal sins almost on a daily basis that all go to hell. Or they go to purgatory if they repent because Christ’s death was not enough. That, my friend, is blasphemy.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear KK doc, your response is a very befuddled one. Like most people who post against me, you like to hurl multiple issues into one post. To keep things simple at this stage, I will respond to just one of your points (though I can certainly respond to all in time). You state that I am "making up mortal and venial sins." Quite the contrary. It is John the Apostle himself who wrote, “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal” (Jn 5:16-17). Clearly, for the apostle there is a distinction between sins that are "mortal" and those that are "not mortal." Sadly, it is your stated opposition to this distinction that is "made up."

[@kkdoc7864]

Peter Cho And you, my friend, are denying that Christ’s sacrifice is complete. We cannot ever be perfect unless we acknowledge His gift by faith in the fact that His grace IS sufficient. We can only stand before God because we are clothed in His righteousness, not our own. It is Christ alone who took all of our sins and wiped them away as far as the “East is from the west”. There is no other way to salvation. The thief next to Him on the cross was granted direct access without anything except proclaiming that Jesus was who He said He was. Even Paul tells us “ to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord”. You cannot follow a religion if their teachings are not biblical. If they contradict Scripture, the gold standard, they teach heresy.

[@kkdoc7864]

Peter Cho I just told you what the Bible says about salvation. The Catholic Church teaches heresy by saying Christ’s death wasn’t good enough Read Galatians. I can also give you a link to all the verses which show that what we humans try to do (including good works) to gain salvation is not the true gospel.

[@kkdoc7864]

Peter Cho You are not willing to read the Bible. The Catholic Church has fallen off the rails and does not teach biblical truth. But you are blind and indoctrinated in whatever the corrupt Catholic Church tells you to believe. Same as the watchtower, same as the quorum. There is no papal succession. And Peter only called himself an elder. Stop coming back with untruth. The church to you is more important than the Bible, so until you fix that and align yourself with Christ and not a manmade religion, you will continue to be deceived

[@kkdoc7864]

Peter Cho you are really out of touch. Nothing you say makes any sense, so you are impossible to have any meaningful discussion with, and I suspect besides English not being your native language, you also have difficulty following any legitimate train of thought. Have a great day.

[@elvismawhinney2494]

"I'm going to say some theological words here, so I will go slow and explain" Condescending much???

[@roberthaddad7850]

Michael, actually, respecting the audience, knowing their level of language and understanding and showing a willingness to help them understand difficult theological terminology. I hope you weren't intending to make a negative judgement against me, especially when you do not know my heart. That would be running the risk of making rash and harsh judgement. God bless, Robert

[@elvismawhinney2494]

@@roberthaddad7850 judgement against you? Knowing "your level of language" I just wouldn't dare do such a thing. Hopefully you can see where I'm coming from, if someone were to criticize me I'd think about it before judging them. Take that as you wish. God bless mate. No disrespect intended

[@johnnyfenlayson6977]

Total garbage. There is no Purgatory.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Johnny, a Christian gentlemen would actually provide a reasoned rebuttal of at last some of my points, particularly how I interpret certain Scripture verses in support of Purgatory, rather than simply hurling abrupt insults. Just stating "there is no Purgatory" does not amount to a rebuttal of my claims. God bless.

[@billsmith147]

Mr. Haddad, Your video is 1hour 29 minutes. It is hard to extract biblical verses you are basing the existence of Purgatory on. Most of your video is spent on giving your personal opinion on Purgatory. It seems you love to hear the sound of your own voice. How about listing your scriptural verses for Purgatory's existence for us?

[@billsmith147]

Purgatory is a figment of the Catholic Church's imagination. The work for which Jesus came into our human life was to "make atonement for the sins of the people" ( Heb 2:17 ) and this he did when "he sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself" ( 7:27 ). Hebrews develops this theme in detail, showing the death of Christ to be the fulfillment and the replacement of the sacrifices of Old Testament times. When in the different strands of New Testament testimony we have reference to the "blood" of Christ, that word speaks of his sacrificial death (e.g., Rom 5:9 ; Eph 1:7 ; 2:13 ; Col 1:20 ; 1 Peter 1:2 ; 1 John 1:7 ; 5:6 ; Rev 1:5 ; 5:9 ). Paul penetrates more deeply into the meaning of that sacrificial death as he speaks of it "as a sacrifice of atonement" ("as a propitiation" KJV), since, because Christ bore our sins, there was no longer the "passing over of sins, " but in what Christ did on the cross, God is shown to be "just and the one who justifies" those who have faith in Jesus. Human sins are not just swept aside as inconsequential; God's justice is shown in that they are borne by the sinless Son of God, and because they are borne, those who have faith in him are justified ( Rom 3:24-26 ). The same language of "propitiation" is used in 1jo 2:2 and 4:10.We have noticed the place that Hebrews gives to the understanding of the sacrifice of Christ as making possible the making of a new covenant, a personal relationship with God based on forgiveness. This is an understanding that goes back to Jesus himself, in particular, to the way that he spoke at his institution of the Lord's Supper: "This is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins" ( Matt 26:28 ; cf. Mark 14:24 ; Luke 22:20 ; 1 Col 11:25 ; Heb 13:20 ). The question to you is if Christ died as a one time sacrifice for the sins of all humanity, and the Father forgave all sins, ones that had already occurred before Christ, those sins that were occurring when Christ died, and all future sins to occur, then why would anyone go to Purgatory?? ALL Sin had been forgiven by God the Father. Why this additional punishment of man in Purgatory? Christ sacrifice wasn't good enough? What an insult to Christ! Ask a Priest to quote you any scripture that points to Purgatory. There isn't any. In fact the two often quoted passages by Priests are in fact refuted in the Catholic New American Bible. Get a Bible if you don't already have one. The New American Bible(Catholic) is an excellent study Bible. It is important that you understand the Written Word of God. It is the only reference we have that was written through the Holy Spirit and was to be a guide for the Church and congregants.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Dear Tom,I have read through your comments. Sadly, they indicate that you haven't watched my presentation. If you had then you would have realised that I have already addressed your comments and questions, especially quotes from the NT is support of Purgatory. Your comments also contain accusations about my alleged theological beliefs which have no basis whatsoever. For the record, Christ's merits on the Cross were infinitely superabundant and more than "good enough" to merit the forgiveness of sins, etc. (not just sufficient for the elect, as asserted by Calvinism and similar heresies). Therefore, there is no "insult" on my part as you rashly assert.I strongly suggest that you watch my video presentation in full and if there are any particulars you dispute then you may put forward further comments/questions, etc. God bless, Robert

[@mkhululinxumalo2713]

@@roberthaddad7850 your problem is that you want people to believe you more than the bible. Now I can see you are a Jesuit like pope Francis. You can live luxury here on earth but the day of the lord is coming for people like you Sir. Repent from deceiving people Sir.

[@roberthaddad7850]

Mkhululi, I think you are mistaken. The problem as I see it is that you refuse to engage the text 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. Rather than provide an alternative meaningful interpretation of this text you instead engage in personal attacks (Jesuit?) and baseless claims that I ignore Scripture. The reverse is the case - I have provide a Scripture proof-text in support of Purgatory and it is you, sadly, who is ignoring this text. That being the case, if you are to reply to this post please provide me with your explanation of 1 Corinthians 3:10-15. God bless, Robert

[@balukuroben7458]

Because he atoned for your sins, that is why even when you die with a dot of un repented sin (non mortal) ,in His grace he purges you for entry into Heaven. It is terrible for protestants to believe that their sins can be forgiven by faith & grace, & they dont believe God, can purify a soul that died in the state of grace.

[@balukuroben7458]

@@noelbuyo2723 where is the word bible in the scriptures?what does it mean any way?

[@ewaldradavich7307]

Go to youtube and type in 5 reasons why purgatory is a false doctrine

[@jbjoseph4326]

That's nonsense For purgatory is real