Draft Archetypes of Modern Horizons 3! Prerelease Primer | Magic: The Gathering MTG

[@Buchaus]

Note that while you can grab as many basics as you need from the store for your deck, you CAN'T grab Wastes (or Snow-Covered basics) to add to your deck, even though they are basic lands. Any Wastes you play must come from your sealed pool

[@ViniciusKobashi]

cool, i was about to ask that here :D

[@as95ms98]

Man this draft environment look super fun! I'm excited to draft it on Arena. It just sucks to know that I and many people I know won't be able to regularly draft this set in paper due to it being double the price of a standard set. It would be nice to not have to pay an artifically inflated price for cards and package that cost Hasbro the exact same amount of money to print and distribute.

[@zurreal8087]

Printing and distribution are *always* a small fraction of the costs involved in producing the game. All of WotC’s bills need to be paid, not just those ones.

[@gogogagagugu2134]

@@zurreal8087 you're missing the point, sets like this cost them the exact same amount of money to print as any other set, the fact that there's desirable cards doesn't magically increase costs for them.

[@zurreal8087]

@@gogogagagugu2134 I understood that; the one who’s missing the point here is you. You’re not paying for pieces of cardboard shipped to your location and you never have been. If that were the case, Magic cards would cost like 30 cents per pack.

[@gogogagagugu2134]

@@zurreal8087 Nobody's arguing that wizards shouldn't make a margin on their product or that there aren't any costs aside from printing and shipping. We're saying that it's scummy for them to charge double the normal price for no reason other than they can. And before you say something like "No one's forcing you to buy it", you're correct, and I won't. Doesn't mean my criticism is invalid.

[@zurreal8087]

@@gogogagagugu2134 First of all, I wouldn’t say that. My opinion on the matter is that we’re paying a higher price for higher value cards. I don’t know about you, but any time I personally go to a prerelease event I almost always end up opening some cards that are competitively viable in some deck that I have no interest in playing. I sell those cards off immediately, which rebates a large fraction of the cost I paid to participate. It’s true that this set costs more upfront, but there’s also going to be a larger rebate in the form of secondary market sales. In my opinion, after all is said and done I don’t think this prerelease is going to set players (especially players that earn better prizing) back appreciably further than normal sets.

[@befuddledfaun]

Not to be that guy, but it would be much more exciting if the prerelease wasn't prohibitively expensive. Many of my friends are sitting this one out for that reason, and I am considering doing the same.

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

I encourage you to use online platforms to simulate magic the gathering drafts and sealed online for free

[@patrickeisert6873]

Gavin just designs the cards he doesn’t have anything to do with pricing but yeah I’ve seen some stores charging $70 which is insane

[@guitarpunk200]

I agree I’m not made of money… it makes me sad that I can’t afford the pre release 😢😢😢

[@christopherb501]

There are thousands of us. THOUSANDS

[@mattmorales4320]

Yeah, it makes me sad. My entire playgroup is sitting out on MH3 because pre-release is $70 and these play boxes are crazy expensive, at least at launch. My group is used to spending around $18/person for a draft, so $70 each for one event is just untenable.

[@Xalyn937]

I always tune into this before prerelease. These and the PPR are my prerelease prep.

[@GoodMorningMagic]

Thank you so much!! I'm really glad it helps. I'll have the deckbuild up tomorrow too, so definitely don't miss it!

[@TheCommandSphere]

@@GoodMorningMagicI love the videos, but sadly I can’t go to this prerelease. My store is charging 70 dollars for the prerelease. I know you don’t set prices Gavin, but if you can pass the message up that MSRP is needed and the prices need to be lower.

[@wyld3174]

Nizzahon Magic also has a great set review playlist going through all the cards if ya want some card by card thoughts!

[@RobotKey1]

​@@TheCommandSphere Thank you for saying this in a respectful manner, there probably isn't much Gavin can do about the prices as a designer, but it definitely needs to be said.

[@Billchu13]

Pre release priced me out. As Blake R said "maybe this product isn't for you." I used to be on board with every magic set but $75 sealed is too rich for my blood

[@HJOTech]

damn it's $50 near me

[@caghuama]

67 usd for me

[@christianroot6287]

yall got 75? we got 60 and thats too much

[@adriansennett2861]

I pay £28 don't know what that is converted.

[@alligatoraidan]

​@@adriansennett2861 that's a little over $35 USD

[@ServbotNumba40]

There are only 3 archetypes in MH3 1) Staring Longingly from outside the window, 2) Taking out a second morgage to play with someone who sold both lungs, 3) Abstaining due to the prices.

[@Rubber_Ducksauce]

The secret archetype of proxy the cards to play with friends is actually my favorite one in this set.

[@ServbotNumba40]

@Rubber_Ducksauce all I know is my buddy and I bought 10 boxes between each other to draft and play sealed with and I doubt I'll even buy a bundle this time...

[@Snivy_1245]

4) Your job at a packing warehouse is the coolest place ever and always has leftover stock

[@ServbotNumba40]

@Snivy_1245 technically robbery would be 5), but yeah, that is one of the new archetypes.

[@danielmurta5652]

I would talk more about this but I'm running out of breath too fast these days

[@SupremeChalupaSnoke]

Can the prerelease promos in the future be Booster Fun versions? It’d be sweet to get a cool showcase version of a card with your kit, and a nice way to show off the set’s ‘style’

[@raydelmartinez2905]

Tip: Come ready with 50 pre sleeved basic lands, that's 10 of each color. It will save you a couple of minutes from the 50 given to build the deck.

[@TubbyBubbleLove42]

Save more time, don't use sleeves.

[@raydelmartinez2905]

@@TubbyBubbleLove42 🤣 you are not wrong.

[@own2live]

Hi, i'm curious, why isn't draft archetype in the prerealease box anymore? I might remember wrong, but i'm sure i had some text that helped me build my first few at kamigawa and new capenas. New player don't really tend to try and find youtube channel and what to know before an event like that.

[@octagon8769]

Usually, if they put those in, they tend to be the booster box protector insert. I'd recommend asking the people running the prerelease at your lgs if you can take a look at it or send new players up to look at it.

[@Envojus]

As a Limited and Standard player, I am going to pass this set. I play paper draft every week, the prerelease 2-3 times The cards are great, the limited environment is super-fun. But I can't rationalize the price - especially for cards I won't have any use for. It sucks. At least I can play this on Arena.

[@EastWindCommunity1973]

As a Limited only player, I'll take what I can get.

[@j1nchuika]

So sad this is crazy expensive :(

[@tylerowens]

Hard to be excited about a set I can't afford to play. The whole point of collector boosters was supposed to be so that there would be a product for people who wanted to drop a bunch of money on blinged out cards. Especially after changing their name to "play boosters" it's frustrating that the arbitrarily higher cost of packs for this set keeps many people from being able to play it. I've been playing Magic for twenty years, but I guess this game just isn't for me any more‡. I guess I'll just play commander and cube with proxies. ‡I know this is far from the first premium priced set. My point is the practice has always been bullshit and especially with the glut of product releases it's just not sustainable.

[@paolotedesco4238]

It's not the first premium priced set, but boxes (at least checking prices in Europe) are being sold at around 150% of the price of MH1. That's a pretty steep increase.

[@gregorydopptrue]

sure

[@ardinhelme687]

Can we get a behind the scenes on why Energy has been typecast as a Jeskai mechanic? Like, I know there are black and green Energy cards in the set, but as you said, the archetype is Jeskai and it has been ever since the Jeskai Energy Fallout commander deck came out, but why was that a Jeskai deck to begin with? White was arguably the weakest Energy color back in Kaladesh, Temur or even Sultai would have made more sense as color choices for Energy as Kaldesh had the mechanic strongest in Simic colors, so why did the designers of the Fallout set decide to ditch green and buff white for Energy and why did the designers of Modern Horizons III decide to double down on that decision solidly cementing Energy as a Jeskai mechanic?

[@swiftythegathering]

Why is this Prerelease worth $60-$70? Why does WotC hate its player base?

[@hensterino]

Has Wotc ever considered putting the archtypes on the other side of that that building a pre release deck sheet? I think that would be useful and always wanted that

[@Billchu13]

The archetypes are usually in a handout on the inside of draft boxes. Your store will probably have some - check with them at the event

[@Felixr2]

Most sets have the draft archetypes on ad cards that can... randomly appear in boosters. Your idea is definitely an improvement.

[@RedPandaStan]

so excited to do this prerelease! sry to hear that for some the prices are 70+ dollars, around us they're only around 50 which i feel isnt the worst price compared to other things id do for entertainment

[@mymarshlands]

i was so excited to see your outline for the Mardu and Sultai combos because I couldn't figure them out myself, but,,, it seems like there isn't any? I really liked how Temur, Abzan and Jeskai are cohesive groupings of the color pairings I guess for example the Horrid Shadowspinner (BU uncommon) synergises with the +1/+1 counters from the BG adapt archetype since it cares about its power? and Psychic Frog also uses +1/+1 counters Mardu i thought would be related to living weapon equipment as a spin on both RW aggro and RB artifacts, but i only really see the Mandibular Kite that fits that. the only other living weapon equipment outside of black is colossal dreadmask

[@bluegyroscope5807]

3:38 Everyone: "Colorless is not a color." Gavin: "Hold my beer."

[@Valnjes]

Black and white arent colors, they are contrasts, just like any shade of grey.

[@rubiusstudios5709]

What's interesting is that colorless behaves the exact same as every other color. It has its own mana symbol and it can be spent on generic mana costs. The sole difference is that it can't be chosen as a color when selecting colors (such as Mother of Runes style effects). And there's even a Mother of Runes variant that covers colorless stuff. Colorless is a color.

[@watamote2238]

5:06 this is a small thing, but is that how you're supposed to pronounce "Thraben"? I've always heard people say 'Thray-ben'; but I've never heard anyone from Wizards say it until just now with Gavin.

[@bondeulv]

Looking forward to trying Red-White Modified Adapt at my prerelease ^^

[@alextelfer4215]

Gavin thanks so much for this. It's been 10 years since I played limited, so I was looking around for some stuff to help this weekend. I stumbled onto your channel for that purpose, and this video convinced me to be a subscriber. 🤙

[@GoodMorningMagic]

I'm so glad it helped! Thanks for the sub 😄

[@Itatchi1771]

Ain't no way I'm passing on playing a limited eldrazi deck if I get the chance. Fingers crossed we get the pulls!

[@power_SERG]

May RNGsus be with you.

[@ivorbaric6949]

1st world country set, rest of us limited ethusiasts will watch KZbinrs play 👍

[@biggie_kellogs7919]

from a flavour point of view its so interesting that Eldrazi are not really in black. Great video! Found out about Gavin through the Professor as Gavin is always so fun to see in those videos and this channel does not dissapoint!

[@GoodMorningMagic]

Thank you for coming to visit! :D Always love being on Prof's show.

[@C._Bradford]

What about the eldrazi is black?

[@spacefreak5064]

Eldrazi big ramp! Let's summon some titans! ❤

[@alessandromoretti1177]

way to go Gavin, I was waiting for this video since the first MH3 preview 😄

[@viviblue7277]

Do exalted counters stack? Intuitively I want to say yes. Like if I only have 1 creature and it has 3 exalted counters and it attacks alone it gets +3/+3 right?

[@GoodMorningMagic]

Yep!!

[@MrNoVibez]

energy combos seem like the smartest option but that is alot of thinking!

[@aldinaneves]

My fav archetype is the one where I have to sell a kidney, my house, wife and kids to play one draft with mh3.

[@Gudamor]

BLUE GREEN: OF COURSE IT'S RAMP

[@dvancebum]

Hey!!! that was Prime Time Gaming in Macon, GA !

[@maxfail2372]

I'm happy that we can still be excited about new Magic sets with you Gavin I know you get a lot of flak for the shortcomings of a lot of sets, but i appreciate all the care that you and your team put into Magic!

[@koyotesoul2]

Too bad no one I know can afford the over bloated prices, love being priced out of my favorite game

[@BlazinTre]

Get some fkn empathy ffs ​@@markcioffi8903

[@aldinaneves]

@@markcioffi8903I have a good job and will never ever pay that price. That‘s sending the wrong message to the ones that set those prices

[@reviewchan9806]

It's going to be a forced hottest selling product. Hasbro needs short term quarterly gains. They don't care how much they power creep the game to do it

[@armogohma2]

​@@reviewchan9806Power creep isn't the right word. It's been 32 years and the Power Nine still hasn't been surpassed. The Power Nine would be nothing anymore in a game suffused with power creep.

[@inci0078]

I'm really excited to build the izzet energy archetype and of course blue green eldrazis! These prep guides are always great, thanks Gavin.

[@faceepiikle410]

I may be drafting this set but spending $80 CAD on a single prerelease is a feel bad. I usually do at least 2 and spend the same but i cant justify the same price for 1

[@tristanfain2561]

Prerelease hype let’s Goo 🎉🎉

[@georgehamilton1142]

James is most interested in the blue green Eldrazi ramp archetype...

[@ricardogallegos4213]

These reviews are super useful to understand what to look for in each set. its the PSAT of magic!

[@mikejsouth]

50 dollar pre release at mox with good prize support. 75 at closer lgs with bad prize support. Idiotic pricing.

[@mike9139]

YOU ARE AWESOME! ❤❤❤

[@enoesiw]

Im looking forward to Eldrazi Ramp!!

[@axspringer]

Im currently homeless and living out of my car, but this set makes me want to Modern so much! I prostituted myself all week and now I get to go to prerelease and get shit-stomped by the cheaters that pre-ordered and slide their best rares into their decks, this is gonna be so much fun 😊

[@EliottDragonReplay]

Thanks for your awesome videos !

[@thoughtsonmtg2768]

Of course I play the Desert Deck!

[@pedrotrifas]

I wonder if Sultai and Mardu also have an overarching theme

[@ToxiicJezus]

$60 plus no sales tax so thats nice. Havent played in 15 years but i may give it a go

[@BeauV495]

The set has not been much awaited bro

[@Glitterblossom]

It’s so good that this isn’t premium priced on Arena, or I’d have to sit it out, same as I’m doing in paper.

[@BlizzardofKnives]

This is not just a Ramp Deck, this an M&S-I mean Eldrazi Ramp Deck.

[@benjaminlehman3221]

It’s costs $70 😭 💀

[@controlaltdeleteish]

Gavin reminds me of clint howard

[@mattm7798]

LOL thinking anyone can afford to draft this set more than once :)

[@zurreal8087]

If you sell the cards you open/win that you’re not going to use yourself, this set ends up being a reasonable deal. Higher price, but also higher resale value.

[@captainmurphy4949]

Can’t wait to force temur eldrazi

[@deathkitty23]

My lgs is charging $70 for a prerelease.. fuck that

[@SeniorAdrian]

Extremely expensive event. 59$ in Romania, a developing country.

[@Infamouscritter]

Really hope I pull Abzan

[@cardinal283]

how much does a prerelease pack cost

[@LittleMushroomGuy]

Don't ban Cranial Ram in Pauper. Artifacts have been nerfed to death

[@thor82ak]

Take a wild guess what my local LGS wants for pre-release entry?

[@PieBandit]

Colorless is not a Color, Gavin! Maro is disappointed in you.

[@lucasdeconninck1232]

I'm so annoyed with this set. The pre-release is happening on the same day as my local casual commander. I was told that everyone was going to it instead. But commander is just £8 whereas the pre-release is £55! I can't afford that.

[@SaltySparrow]

Will stores provide wastes or do you need to open them?

[@GoodMorningMagic]

You have to open them, just like previous sets with Wastes. Hope that helps!

[@KirdApes]

I can't afford to play this pre-release because I just spent all my money on Standard cards that are about to rotate out.

[@MagicKnightFr]

good video

[@iamjag1]

Looks like Grxis energy might be strong.

[@katanaboy4]

Typo on the Red White theme in the video - It still says "Modified Adapt" from the Golgari pairing.

[@Fake_Name_MTG]

It’s official! Gavin knows something we don’t. We’ll all be wearing m asks for prerelease!

[@KaiKraft-p5y]

Hi

[@GoodMorningMagic]

Hi

[@bounceday]

My intuition is telling me this wouldn't be fun to draft

[@minine6508]

Would be sick to buy but unfort it’s the price of an actual AAA video game. Or 3 $20 indie games. I’ll pass on this one. Thanks though!

[@winniebowser4447]

way too expensive to even be playable. Sad, Modern seems fun

[@lunah33]

$50 lol yall have fun :/

[@DimirDaddy]

Obligatory 1st

[@GoodMorningMagic]

Man brutal, you were the second replier. Still massive respect though, so close

[@benferrara4121]

This is prohibitively expensive for a pre-release which is disappointing and a mess

[@greatshell311]

Too spensive

[@salito97]

Most of my people won’t be going to draft. Ridiculous pricing

[@reviewchan9806]

Modern Horizons cards should have been included into normal sets and released slowly over time.

[@matanamir4359]

Dear Gavin, I have so much appreciate for you man!!! Due to MH3 commander will be broken and not fun to play. To many common and uncommon power creeps, 40 machines include STORM. Please somehow separate the format into 3 categories: - Casual (7 and down) - Mid (8) - CEDH (8.5 and up) With ban list for each. I love this game and it become so CEDH fast. And for me I enjoy to play with my friends and not finish the game in turn 2-3. Thank you, A worried commander player

[@JeremyTheGraten]

Too expensive, boycott MH3 sealed and singles.

[@dragonballgt245]

God I hate this guys hammer thumbs they are so weird to look at.

[@JeremyTheGraten]

Boycott MH3. Print your cards gamers.

[@ClubbingSealCub]

Unfortunately the only viable archetype is 'whale player', because with those price-points there's no way I can do one prerelease, let alone two, like I used to do for every set.

[@matthewkeeling886]

You want at least a few 1 mana cards with creatures being the most important. First turn plays and early double spells are very, very, important to creating a winning board state in 1v1 Magic! I am interested in RG Eldrazi Spawn and RW Energy Agro, of course. There has been WAY too much Control and Combo in recent Limited environments for the taste of those of us who enjoy the game's most complex and dynamic interactions and board states. Also, I usually do multiple pre-releases but this set is too expensive for that so I am only doing 1.

[@thriftypsgr]

White and green got so many bangers in this set. I am able to build a mono white deck because of this set and OTJ

[@fuleng91]

thanks !