Dragon Age Should Unironically END

Dragon Age: The Veilguard was announced after 10 years, and it looks like an uninspired mess. Perhaps it's time for Bioware to move on from the age of dragons.
#Dragonage #gaming #xbox #pc

[@upsidedownradiohost]

Hate it when people try to immediately shut down fans with valid concerns about a series they love as "nostalgia-blind" or "toxic" and then accuse them of doing the same thing. is it really so weird to believe that billion dollar video game company does not care for your best interests

[@grumpyold-man8302]

Replaying DAO, I love it

[@Fr0st1989]

given the shittery that went on during the development for anthem and andromeda we can assume this: 9 year development time = maybe 6 months actual development went into the game before release

[@virginiamurr3703]

Except that they've been working with the voice actors (700 characters, 140,000 lines of dialogue) for five *years*

[@Mikoxz]

​​@@virginiamurr3703recording lines of dialogue doesn't create a game.

[@virginiamurr3703]

@@Mikoxz The OP stated that the game must have only been in "actual development" for "6 months" which is entirely factually inaccurate. That was the point for what I stated ... it was (at minimum) actually in progress for at least 5 *years*. Your evasion of the point doesn't change any of that. Good try, though. Hope you find a game you like and spend time there instead.

[@teyrncousland7152]

@@virginiamurr3703 You do realise that there is more to a video game than voice lines right? Just because they made some voice lines it does not mean that there has been any actual development. Anthem had voice lines too yet no further development. So the op's point still stands and it is still factually accurate wether you like it or not. Hope you learn to think before you start talking.

[@virginiamurr3703]

@@teyrncousland7152 So, you're saying that voice acting (and having the written lines for those) (and casting for those roles) is not part of development? Intriguingly ignorant take. All of that *is* a part of development. So, yes, development was happening for many *years*. So, yes, the OP was factually *wrong* . Not sure why you are so hellbent on being a jerk. Just go find something you *do* like and stop trying to twist facts to enhance a lie.

[@adamaccountname]

bioware obviously didn't listen to Larians own announcement, for all the effort they put into the character creator, virtually all players picked the most generic character possible, essentially taking the first thing offered

[@aperson3996]

…. And? What are you trying to say here? That games should just have human only character creators because the biggest portion of people play those?

[@adamaccountname]

@@aperson3996 no, did you watch the video? Bioware were pronouncing that as the reason why bg3 sold well. Obviously ignoring the observations from Larian themselves

[@adamaccountname]

The character creator and customizing how your character looks was a very insignificant part of most people's engagement with the game. Having different classes/races gives people replay, an aesthetic skin doesn't

[@aperson3996]

@@adamaccountname I mean, just because they say its one of the reasons why it was so good doesn’t mean thats the ONLY thing they from BG3 (also sorry if I came off as hostile, I misunderstood what you said, my bad)

[@aperson3996]

@@adamaccountname also, considering Ive heard that some diaolouge choices will change based on whether you are a Qunari, Dwarf, Elf, or Human, its not necessarily just an asthetic skin.

[@cykablyat3680]

All the had to do to print money was give us the inquisition gameplay with a origins type of story

[@makikuma91]

So much visual input.

[@nicolasquintana3379]

currently replaying all 3 games and while going through inquisition I find myself just wanting to play Origins again but now roleplaying a different character. I really am playing this game out of pity. I wish a new franchise came along to take the choices matter strategy RPG genre since Baldur's Gate showed people DO love this stuff

[@OldManXanditz]

Just about the Griffins, they have a book explaining how they came back. I do concede that is boring, since happens off game, and is true that even if they are back, they are FOR SURE endangered species.

[@BARUS_tactical]

With all its repetitiveness, I actually enjoyed DAII and replayed it more than DAO.

[@emanon2731]

The reason DAI won best game was honestly bc of writing, which is DA highest point, the game's jogability system got gradually worse, but they never let us down in terms of writing and companions stories. Smth I think veilguard won't succeed in ...

[@GameZard]

DAI had some of the worst writing and companions. Only saving grace was it was not as bad as DA2.

[@JoaoVictor-rg5ix]

Wait a minute. This game looks like Andromeda all over again! Oh SHit!

[@NoName-ym5zj]

I fell in love with a grounded, dark fantasy, old school style RPG. Not some seizure inducing AAA action-RPG slop. Don't get me wrong, it might be a good game for what it is, but that's just a completely different genre and tone of the game, it has nothing that I loved Dragon Age for. The blood magic bit is hilarious. Remember how in Origins you could use an army of golems to fight the Blight who are essentially a slave army? This was a great ethical dillema, on one hand this practice is absolutely disgusting, but on the other Golems are very powerful and can play a key part in stopping the Blight, are you willing to make the compromise and use the golems or put your morality and ethics over stopping the Blight?

[@sixgunsuperman]

As a mage player in all 3 games, I'm pretty disappointed by the 3 active skills, smaller party size, and not being able to switch party member nerfs. It seems we did not learn our lesson from how badly DA2 was dumbed down, so let's take that same idea and make it worse. Inquisition sold well because it struck a balance between the simpler combat system and actually having at least a passable amount of depth more like origins. Also, how did we go from sideboob goths and sexy redheads as romance options to whatever the hell these companions are? In today's gaming landscape you can also bet that other things have been severely downplayed or completely cut- things like blood magic, slavery in Tevinter, the inherent racisms that each race encountered when interacting with other races (probably will not hear the term knife-ear again, that may trigger people). And for the love of all, Varric was not that old in Inquisition, yet now he looks old enough to be Harding's dad a mere decade after Inquisition? Don't even get me going on his beard, something Varric refused to grow because he made his own identity as a surface dwarf and it was a subtle form of rebelling against the common tropes of his race.

[@fenrissilverfang8419]

Honestly agree with a lot of the things said here. Dragon age origins while it has its issues (a lot of them caused by being tossed around to various locations added by dlc as soon as you get to travel the map to meet all your companions/dlc freebies), still resembled something baldurs gate'esque. Usually played topdown, spells being able to friendly fire, positioning mattering a bunch, etc and its story was dark and gritty throughout. DA:2 felt like a massive step back , reusing the same 4-5 areas throughout the entire game with worse writing and simplistic combat, felt the writing was worse too, especially in regards to meaningful choices to be made. Inquisition is a collect-a-thon but it at least added a little party management back into the game and I'd argue it has some of the most compellling companion writing there is. Veilguard though?... The combat looks generic again with little tactical choice and more 'action focus' akin to 2. The companions dont strike me as that interesting so far and their 'romance anyone' approach takes away from them feeling more like real people with their own preferences in inquisition which I considered a positive thing. I think veilguard's just a mess thrown together considering it was originally meant to be a coop game about spies in Tevinter, then if I recall a live-service title, before ending up as a singleplayer rpg now.

[@Kitserina]

You are right and it makes me sad :(

[@sheldonmustdie2]

😢

[@TheRevan1337]

Dragon Age Origins is still the best game in the series and all they had to do was follow that formula. They just don't have a vision of what they want Dragon Age to be.

[@ggqs753]

The best part about The new dragon age game.... Is that I got the previous 3 on steam for less than $10 on sale Because the new one came out.

[@noobsareop1073]

4:00 star wars the old republic released 2011 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic released 2003 star wars the old republic is an mmo and the 3th game Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is the first game and is an rpg

[@luisz222]

Tbh I never expected this to be dragon age origins level but was hoping for dragon age inquisition level quality at least minus the ridiculous amount of bloat in that game. At its core the writing was still decent for inquisition. Also I’m not all that intrigued by the side cast except for varric, scout Harding and neve. The first two cause they are already established well written characters. Also I think the concept of a medieval mage who is also a detective is at least something new. I like that. The last time we got some sort of detective in this setting was in the witcher 3. I loved the parts of that game where we had to investigate and track different creatures. Geralt was like fantasy batman and I want to see more like that.

[@sixgunsuperman]

That's literally all they had to do was copy Inquisition's homework. The growing pains had already mostly been solved with combat and story. Maybe take a few notes from Witcher 3 for side quests and Baldur's Gate for character development and boom- instant hit.

[@mustycrusty754]

​@@sixgunsupermanThe story of inquisition was never good until the trespasser dlc came out other then that you think bioware would at least try to be like one of the biggest rpgs of the year which is bg3

[@sixgunsuperman]

@@mustycrusty754 IMO Trespasser is the most boring DLC. JoH is just more of what was good in the base game and Descent was pretty good despite my not even liking the Deep Roads.

[@Andaril2]

I replayed Dragon age Orgins with Awakening dlc. Now I'm in middle of DA and then will make 3 playthrough of inquisition next month ish to never play veilgiard.

[@NomadMonkey396]

I keep seeing people say "wait til it comes out before judging it" but you only get one chance to make a first impression and they soiled it. It's also hard to be optimistic when the devs are talking more about the nudity and who you can sleep with rather then how it will play or how different the game will be depending what type of character you are. BioWare are not the same, every one who worked there is gone now and for a decade they've been chasing a specific audience that is not the same fanbase that loved their games in the first place. How many ME Andromeda and anthems do people need to get the message? I know It's hard to move on but a lot of people need to.

[@aperson3996]

@@NomadMonkey396 So basically you’re just set on saying it’s bad when it hasn’t even come out yet? I could understand if you were saying you don’t like the looks of it, but are waiting to reserve judgement. But no, you are kinda just saying that even if it is good, it doesn’t matter because you didn’t like the first impression of it. Guardians of the Galaxy trailer looked bad, but that game was actually really cool. A lot of people were skeptical on BG3 due to its initial gameplay looks, but it is now one of my and many other people’s favorite game. Why can’t you save this criticism for the game when it comes out, and if it turns out to actually be bad?

[@NomadMonkey396]

@@aperson3996 I did not say that, my point is BioWare has had 2 flops in a row and the game has been in development since at least 2016 and has been scrapped and restarted twice, maybe more. So forgive me if my faith in the company is more then a little damaged. I wanted to give the the gameplay a chance with the video they released, but it just looks very generic and uninspired. Not to mention the new characters just look pretty awful design wise. They keep shifting and shifting away from the rpg mechanics and it would not be a problem if they just made a new ip.

[@thesorrow7499]

It's mind-blowing that after the massive success of BG3, BioWare still went and neutered the party-based aspects of DA. I'm afraid DA4 will be like Andromeda, but set in the Dragon Age universe. Can't be evil, Can't be mean to NPCs. The main character has a predetermined "goodie-two-shoes" personality, so say goodbye to role-playing. I hope I'm wrong.

[@DafnaSmith]

rip interesting fights. I don't need dance party, I want to think which of the 20 skills are suitable for this enemy and try

[@smolshroom2893]

the game isn't even out yet...ffs

[@gamervet4760]

14:10 But I'm not nostalgic for Inquisition. I was already disappointed by it once.

[@MistahMan69]

I bought inquisition and couldn’t get past the prologue out of boredom and disappointment. That should say something.

[@Lysvsyl]

After Inquisition, by far the worst game in the series, being so successful, it was apparent that they would commit to making it even worse.

[@RottenHeretic]

11:30 I mean. . . only a nitwit would pay full price for this parody, so . . . maybe?

[@gamervet4760]

Are you kidding? A sequel should've never happened in the first place. Inquisition feels like a mobile game with a PS4 face-lift.

[@aperson3996]

Cant we just wait for the game to come out before saying that Dragon Age needs to end??? Like, fair enough if a game is already out and you dont like it, but so many people are acting as if they and they alone got to play the game and somehow already know its bad. Just… please actually play the game before stating it’s quality

[@DafnaSmith]

how play as a mage with only 3 spells???

[@sixgunsuperman]

The writing is already on the wall that this is a massive tonal shift from basically everything DA has ever been. It might be a fun game on its own merits as a new IP, but it fundamentally changes everything about the systems put in place by the last 3 games.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

​@@sixgunsuperman...Except that's basically always been Dragon Age they drastically change there systems and tone with each game The consistent thing about DA is that it's never consistent Half the people who shit on 2 didn't even play it. But that game is more character centric with Kirkwall really being just a place Da doesn't need to end people need to adjust like alway we get the nostalgia for DOA but it was nor perfect and the argument that things were "dumbed down" has always been stupid At the end of the day this is all reactionary for a game people know zero about and I'll remind people how Edgy DAO Trailer was back in the day

[@sixgunsuperman]

@@demonking-zm3rs Drastically change their combat systems, sure, I can see that. However, they finally struck a balance with inquisition that wasn't overly complicated and didn't insult the player's intelligence. Their art style was pretty much hard set after 2 though because they wanted it instantly recognizable, so once they performed the necessary iterations on it after origins, the following games were very consistent. As for the trailer being edgy, fuck yeah it was, because that was the source material they chose to base it on (ASoI&F and BG 1&2). In this trailer we see a character having a blast just playing in the fade, after the last 3 games just made it abundantly clear that it's basically a hellscape. This game is going to be just like Anthem, Everyone has this "wait and see" attitude, despite what they see looking like hot garbage. Even the schills have "concerns" which is a pretty big red flag on its own.

[@demonking-zm3rs]

@@sixgunsuperman So it's pretty clear that your speaking in bad faith but I'll remind you of this DAO Adventures into the Fade had several moments of levity these weren't just one time ventures in the books and interaction you had the fade be seen as both a haven for spirits and demons and also weird goofy shenanigans Even in DA2 which tackled the fade in a more serious manner had the fun bits as there were Abomination running around DAI because you were rarely in the fade was more serious especially as it was represented differently in comparison to its prequels which was the only one that was given a more serious tone throughout Your assumption is because you personally have created a fanon of what DA was but it was always a goofy political drama with supernatural elements Your the example of a boomer pretending everything in the past was superior while also ignoring some of the cringe moments Like Oghren exists ever tried bringing party members other then Alistair Leliana and Wynne Isabella was nuanced but she's very much overbearing with her banter about banging people Like tell me one thing about these new characters Tell me anything outside a trailer with some witty banter. Which Again Please listen to your party speak in the fade there not all doom and gloom This isn't a Tonal Shift its DA to the Letter it just doesn't fit your fan on of what the series was and how each game jumped into a new direction DAI was not a balance. It tried to give that impression but it was a departure from Origins and 2 in every way. But personally I can't wait for people to say "It's fine or it's great" just to see how fans spin it because they don't like that there IP was always sort of Cringe in every Iteration It was a bit cringe with Origins. it was a bit cringe in Da2 and it was a bit cringe with DAI and its a bit cringe now Welcome let's all discuss the Ogren Sebastián and Sera discourse. While harping over our Morrigan and Solas and enjoy the Our Magical disappearing Alistair saying "Heyyy" I like Big Boats I cannot Lie Or my favorite meme that will not die from Origins and now Trespasser ENCHANTMENT

[@curlzncrush]

After BG3, Dragon Age just doesnt cut it.

[@yourdudevini7407]

go play BG3 then, nobody's forcing you to play DA

[@curlzncrush]

@@yourdudevini7407 k will do 🥸

[@bozidarandjelkovic7957]

LoK devs made no mistakes.

[@ForgorenWolf]

I'm excited for the game

[@_Caedwyn]

replace that "game journalists" level with "woke culture" and its all lore accurate xD

[@eastbow6053]

15:47 hahahahaha xD

[@surtech5]

Unfortunately Dragon Age Origins has aged like cottage cheese in a desert. The writing and character choice is absolutely phenomenal, but I find myself almost unable to finish a playthrough just by how tedious and dry the gameplay itself is; it's exhausting. I won't pretend that DA4 looks phenomenal, but at least it looks like I'll have to be awake to play it

[@mustycrusty754]

You say that but bg3 has extremely slow combat and gameplay yet it's the biggest rpg in years that was also nominated as game of the year so......

[@loadshedd2503]

you make some valid points but a lot of the criticism feels like small nit-picking that are being blown out of proportion. Will it be good tho? Not sure but we will only know when the release comes. The point about the dumbing down is spot on tho

[@ricardomesquita4827]

The Origins widows who have to leave the franchise. If pressing spacebar is that important, I guarantee there are other games you'll like. People who really enjoy the world of Dragon Age know that we haven't explored much of Thedas.

[@Toetalwar]

i knew dragon age was gonna be 1 for 4. but what happened m8, yeash

[@DaoistYeashikAli]

Comment for the Algorithm

[@Vecnah.]

Cheers

[@olivur_1459]

I disliked because of all the annoying memes and stupid pics and sound effects in the video.

[@tanna_k]

10:14 You just ripped a quote out of context and ranted about it for over a minute?

[@Vecnah.]

Nope, to be fair, I did go back and watch the entire trailer again in case you had a point, since it's possible I made a mistake. I did not, and the only reason I went on for so long was to point out exactly how absolutely pointless Neve saying that line is. It's very poor writing unless it's aimed at 10-year-olds, then it makes sense. Have a nice day.

[@tanna_k]

@@Vecnah. I really don't know what you're struggling with here. Harding volunteers to follow the main character into an unstable magic mess. Neve points out that she is more qualified to do deal with that due to being a mage. In no way is this supposed to be introduction to her being a mage and I'm genuinely baffled anyone read it as such.

[@valder8423]

Dragon Age has been trash ever since they released Origin and Awakening.

[@_Caedwyn]

#failgard IS NOT canon (to me) xD and yes i would have loved to play dragon age all my life, ive read ALL the books and lore ... i wouldve played this one too if it wasnt such a piece of sh*t

[@aperson3996]

@@_Caedwyn me when I shit on a game that hasn’t even come out yet

[@yourdudevini7407]

this entire video is just the same boomer speech we've been hearing ever since DA2, don't like it? go play something else

[@Lysvsyl]

Don't like the video? Watch something else.

[@sheldonmustdie2]

So it seems that the release date for dragon age dread wolf and yes I’m going to forever be calling it that because it’s better is coming out in October 30 because dark horse 🐎 the comic book company released information that the book for dragon age dread wolf is coming out in October so that would mean that the game will be released on the same day because the book has all the information about the game so there you go now we have a release date so I guess we should be getting some sort of gameplay trailer or information from BioWare soon one would think 🤔

[@Rickety_Cricket]

I think picking apart a game before it's even released is a weird choice and a waste of time. Play it, then judge it.

[@sheldonmustdie2]

Bro I listen too every you had to say and I can’t deny it makes me sad to see the fall of such a great company 😢