DRAMATIC END 👀 | EXTENDED HIGHLIGHTS | SCOTLAND V FRANCE | 2024 GUINNESS MEN'S SIX NATIONS RUGBY

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[@totogaje3837]

As a French, I may award the try... Scotland is a great team !

[@philipegar]

Wtf - I’ve literally watched it once and don’t need to see it again. Atrocious officiating.

[@dylantuna4746]

That was a try at the end, from 🇿🇦the ball first was pushed on top of a players foot then you could see the ball was then pushed further down past the foot and stopped which was on the ground.

[@martingrehan3019]

U shut up

[@matthewcourt3795]

England fan here, usually happy to see Scotland lose. But that was 100% a try.

[@qwerty69600]

All good. Ain't no neutrals in an England game :)

[@jacobreal6451]

Absolutely ya

[@pentrrr4068]

as was the high tackle on Fickou during the first half

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@pentrrr4068 Yup. High tackle saved a certain try and then DvdM got up still in an offside position and played the ball. Even the Scottish commentators saw that lol.

[@johnkenny694]

That was a try!! he grounded the ball.

[@gabrielchabot6689]

It was not grounded and short, watch again

[@JaemanEdwards]

Looked like a try to me. Great game with some dazzling back play from both. Two of the entertainers of world rugby going at it. Awesome. NZ.

[@harryshawyer2093]

Great game - looked to be a try at the end though

[@kirkadams7217]

Looked to be a try but it's not , u can't see the grounding

[@Opo993]

course you can🤣@@kirkadams7217

[@christopherdale7017]

I'm an Aussie with Scottish Heritage and that was a try no doubt. Nic Berry isn't my favorite ref either.

[@sieddie0171]

Ball was held up 3 sec then put down how did the ref not see the grounding... well done scotland you never gave up keep playing like this and mabe you will be the next champs🎉

[@johnabela932]

AWESOME SIX NATIONS TOURNAMENT 🏉 🏆. Cheers 👍🇲🇹

[@stuartmitchell6991]

Shocking. Where the hell can the ball go other than the grass when it slips off the foot

[@Karma-qt4ji]

The ball on the ground is not proof that the ball was legally grounded, not lost, no double movement, and before the whistle was blown. Much as it sucks for you, the right decision was given for the question asked.

[@stuartmitchell6991]

Eh?

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@stuartmitchell6991 The TMO is bound by the protocols to find clear and obvious evidence that the ball was legally grounded. The ball simply making it to the ground is not enough, nor is your "logic" test.

[@AlbertMurphy-vq8nn]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂wanker​@@Karma-qt4ji

[@gabrielchabot6689]

It was short if grounded at all. Ref had the best view, only mistake was to call for video review

[@alexandrelecomte6544]

French supporter here, just wanted to give credits to the Scottish team. They deserved the win. We got robbed at the World Cup against SA, and I know the feeling. The victory should be yours.

[@tristyna7]

cry a river, we beat you fairly in the WC

[@alexandrelecomte6544]

@@tristyna7 ​ Ok it needs more precision. I'm not saying SA didn't deserve the win either during the WC. I'm just saying the referee wasn't at the level for a WC match of this calibre and that's a shame. SA definitely deserved to win the WC.

[@uluibaut]

That was an edge of your seat game though. Awesome👌

[@nikolakozhuharov1042]

pretty average by the refereeing team - missed offsides, knock-ons, crooked throw-ins, even missed a blatant double pump throw-in by the way I wonder what exactly is the job of Jerome Garces - France's discipline is far from what's needed

[@Karma-qt4ji]

High tackle stopping a certain try, playing the man without the ball, and even when Aldritt left the field, the penalty he was given for the guy on the ground holding on should have gone the way of Scotland because he was nowhere near supporting his own body weight. If only someone had mentioned how shit Nic Berry was.....

[@nikolakozhuharov1042]

@@Karma-qt4ji if by "high tackle" you mean the one on B-B after the Fickou break, I'm not sure it was actually high, but I definitely thought Duhan's interception was from an offside position (I might be wrong though). For Alldritt's penalty I totally agree, and we saw such "interpretation" during the RWC as well (mainly on Kwagga's interventions). And yeah, I hate to see Nic Berry with the whistle. Nothing against the man but he is just not a Tier 1 test level ref.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@nikolakozhuharov1042 Two things... firstly, Nigel Owens in the commentary box stated that DvdM was "very lucky to get away with (the tackle)" because it was above the shoulder. Let's not do the usual thing of assuming that a tackle has to be dangerous and head contact to make it illegal, a high tackle is still illegal. And you *are* allowed to touch the ground when jackling, as long as it is deemed that you are not using your arm to carry your weight. Aldritt definitely was leaning on his arm. If the World Cup taught us anything, it is now ignorant we actually are when it comes to the laws and even less when it comes to TMO protocols. We see a hand on the ground we cry foul, we see no head contact we are shook when a penalty is given.

[@nikolakozhuharov1042]

@@Karma-qt4ji 1) one of the replays that I saw seemed to show Duhan's arm never went above the shoulder but as I said - I might be wrong. 2) as I said - I totally agree that Alldritt was not in a legal position to compete for the ball. Same as Kwagga and I'm not buying into the "you may touch the ground but it doesn't mean you're using hands to support your weight" mumbo-jumbo that came from a Nigel video in which he said that in principle, not regarding the situation in question - Smith was doing exactly the same thing as Greg. btw we were never shown a replay of how the Scotts regained possession at the end of the match before the try that wasn't given

[@fatkev1983]

@@Karma-qt4ji Nigel Owens quite oppositely did what you said. He explained why it wasn't a high tackle and why he would have played on if he was officiating the game during live coverage. What he did say at some point, cannot recall if it was during the live match or afterwards, was he thought Duhan van der Merwe was offside after that tackle and that led to the interception. Are you mixing up the commentators? I recall one of the other commentators saying he thought it was high just after it happened then Owens jumps in and explains the instructions currently given to referees are if the tackle is over the shoulders and does not attack the neck\head then it is safe and ok to play on.

[@angusdrummond6719]

that was 100% a try at the end...gutted it wasn't awarded.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Not in terms of the protocols but I would tend to agree it should have been a try. But then DvdM should have been yellow carded and a penalty try given for the high tackle that even the Scottish commentators mentioned.

[@SK93A]

@@Karma-qt4ji Only protocol that counts is to objectively assess independent TV replay evidence. The camera does not lie and any competent TMO and ref should be able to see that the TV replay evidences the ball touching the ground at 8.44 of the video.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@SK93AAnd your partisan opinion is of course that the ball was grounded legally, but the TMO does not have that luxury; he has to PROVE it.

[@zisssssou]

From a french perspective, it was an ugly and annoying match to watch. Too many mistakes in various areas (knock-ons, touch, ruck defence). The attack gameplan is sterile and so slowwww. From a neutral view, refereeing was a calamity for both sides. Many people are talking about the lact TMO-ref blurry communication.... But Berry and his assistants missed many offside lines and forward passes. That @2:28 Fickou run summarizing well this weird afternoon: High tackle from VdW, then offside position to intercept. Shambles.

[@johnpollock7952]

Will the authorities be held to task???? That is the only question that remains here.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

For the final disallowed try that was correct in terms of the protocols or the penalty try and yellow card that DvdM should have given for a high tackle on the line and then standing up and playing the ball from an offside decision? Or have you only got your Scottish goggles on again?

[@ashleigh3021]

@@Karma-qt4jiStop spamming this nonsense. It’s irrelevant to the try.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@ashleigh3021 you know what isn't irrelevant to the try? The fact that the TMO could not find clear and obvious evidence that the ball was grounded legally. Also, if you know the OP at all, you will know that every referee in the world conspired to force Scotland out of the RWC at the end of the pool stage, thereby prevent them from winning the title which they surely would have done. So forgive me if I keep calling him on his bullshit.

[@johnpollock7952]

​@@Karma-qt4jiif you know me well, then you'll know I'll keep telling the truth. Berry got this wrong, not the TMO. He could see the ball clearly grounded. Google "telegraph Scotland France try controversy". This was one second before he blew his whistle, and as he blew his whistle Tuipulotu pointed the grounding out to him. Berry has done it before though (and as you point out was guilty of it at the World Cup too for Scotland Ireland - remember the foot in touch that isn't a foot in touch). kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWi0q5mNr7ymfZYsi=IPeJLMs4myV9Fl15

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@johnpollock7952 I know you well enough to know that the 'truth' is subjective and always favours Scotland. Remember the time you were adamant that Finn Russell's intentional slap down 20 yards from your own line should have resulted in a penalty try to Scotland because he ran into a Welsh player? As for Berry getting it wrong.... it's almost like someone warned you about Berry a couple of years ago and you would not listen LMAO. It was not the only thing I think Berry cocked up but you will never agree to a penalty try to France because of a high tackle on their 13 by DvdM because he plays for Scotland (he shouldn't, but he does); you will never agree that he let you go for offsides at the ruck, for "hawking" at the lineout, for tackling players without the ball or any of a list of infringements you got away with, so again, subjective bullshit and not even a pretence of fair play. Of course, as the neutral I am, if I point out the mistakes he made in France's favour, you would be all over it. Simple fact is, if you hadn't fucked around playing kick tennis for 20 minutes, boring the living shit out of neutral spectators, and actually tried to play rugby, you would not have needed to play catch up and try score a try off the last move of the game. You constructed your own downfall, second week running, so all the ref-bashing in the world does not give you the win. 3 points in two second halfs of two consecutive games and you're blaming the referee?

[@mattsmith9055]

I haven't watched sport since finding out it's all fixed. Came back out of interest to see what's going on, and here we are, the games are still fixed. May see you in another few years.

[@mysteryman6008]

What everybody is missing is that "conclusive" does not mean 100% certainty. Within the context of the rule under consideration, "conclusive" means a rational conclusion beyond reasonable doubt based on the footage. The footage clearly shows the ball being place on a booted foot, then moving off the booted foot onto the ground. It is not rationally possible for the ball to have dropped as much as the footage shows if a hand or other human part had been between the ball and the ground. The only rational conclusion beyond reasonable doubt based on the footage, is that the ball was grounded unless you believe little creatures from outer space suddenly appeared and put their little hands or other body parts under the ball. What everybody is also missing, is that there was a mix-up between the Ref and the TMO. The TMO was waiting for the Ref to say: "I now see the ball moving off the booted foot and onto the ground; therefore my on-field decision must be reversed. The TMO would then have said: 'I agree'. Instead the Ref said words to the affect: "You are telling me that ...." this threw the responsibility back onto the TMO (and, under the rules, the Ref was kind of right to throw the responsibility back onto the TMO). The TMO being faced with the awesome responsibility, not having the Ref holding his hand, and not properly understanding "conclusive" as used in the rule, 'shat' himself given the massive responsibility that had been thrown back on him, and made an irrational, wrong decision which may haunt him for the rest of his life! Had the rules of the game been correctly applied, Scotland would have won that game of rugby.

[@jonathanstaley3883]

NO WAY that was held up. Scotland got that try. 1000%!

[@laraconnock9525]

That game belonged to Scotland!!!

[@Karma-qt4ji]

They didn't want it. Preferred to play kick tennis and standing still while pointing out opposition players to try milk a penalty.

[@rileyfraser3384]

Nic berry made the same call that cost the hurricanes the super rugby quarter final against the Brumbies last year. Gotta be reviewed, costing teams wins

[@desrobinson5158]

That was definitely a try. Unlucky Scotland 😢

[@hendrikvandermerwe6619]

Duhan was 100% offside with a yellow and Penalty try. What was that ref thinking!

[@hector_5946]

Another NB special. At this point the bookies need to start playing the odds on the number of howlers he will have in a game.

[@LewisG123]

Fuckin robbed

[@raffyredchilli]

that was a try. Im sorry scotland. good effort

[@tattmoon1]

How can you not give that a try?

[@gl3110]

That baw wis doon!

[@Axis_._]

Shockingly bad decision at the end.

[@sukhrisukh5875]

Wow.. Six nation nowdays give a heart attack till. The end

[@zulariffzahirudin4002]

It is the try. The ball clearly try on the ground.

[@gabrielchabot6689]

But short of the line

[@amaebi315]

最後トライだろ

[@ianbaker8225]

You were robbed at the end,Scotland.... 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@mattheone2297]

🏉🇫🇷

[@newpeasantsrevolt]

Either of these teams will hammer England and Wales and Italy….and then there’s Ireland..oh my goodness!

[@lukerheeder6448]

Terrible from the ref 😂

[@CoteVolet]

the try should have benne granted according to me.

[@marclawyer2789]

How much do france miss Dupont...?

[@jacobreal6451]

Looked like a clear try????? What in the world???

[@rednoseferrari]

Wau!!! Does "clear evidence" means they had to see the bottom of the ball touch the ground? If the referee said "is there a reason why not to award the try" would the result have been different? Great game though from a neutral point of view.

[@DanCasey810]

When the ref saw it, it was held up so his onfield decision was no try. The TMO would need to see a clear grounding to overrule him and by those angles you couldn't see a clear grounding. I'd say it was grounded, but it wasn't clear. In this case you would need to see it hit the grass!

[@Karma-qt4ji]

that question does not exist anymore. The referee says onfield decision is try / no try, and to change that decision the TMO *must* see clear and obvious evidence to the contrary.

[@SK93A]

@@Karma-qt4ji Fact check. The ref's on field decision was "held up, no try" and therefore he correctly asked the TMO to check if any TV angle showed the ball touch the ground ... which one angle did show (at 8.44 of the video).

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@SK93A LOL fact check. The TMO does not get away with showing a ball touching the ground, the TMO has to prove that the ball was grounded legally. How much time elapsed before the ball touched the ground? Was the ball carrier in total control the entire time? Did the ball touch the ground before or after the whistle blew? You can tell all of that (and more) in a single frame of the video but still want me not to believe that your opinion may be biased? LOL

[@SK93A]

@@Karma-qt4ji This video is short edited highlights and not reflective of what happened and what video evidence the TMO reviewed. Go to a video called "The worst TMO call in the history of rugby" by TASanalytics (on You Tube) which contains the video replay angles that the TMO reviewed and showed to the ref. That video will answer all your above questions why it was a legitimate try (the ball was grounded, Skinner was in control of the ball and placed it on the ground as the tackle was made and the ref blew his whistle and called held, no try after the ball was grounded). It's not about my opinion - it's about the objective, factual video evidence ... and the camera in the TASanalytics video doesn't lie

[@user-md2kw5gf8b]

Grounded all day,ripped off

[@geansai333]

The ball is down. Fact. fk I'd give brian macniece his cards pronto. Ashamed of him if he's irish, man

[@carldavis9059]

Northern hemisphere haha

[@Nate_P]

Ball was on the ground at the end. Plus last French try was a fwd pass. Scotland Robbed.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

* conveniently overlooks the high tackle by DvdM who then stood up and played the ball from an offside position. FYI the sanction there was a penalty try (automatic 7 points) and a yellow card for DvdM.

[@RD-wg2nt]

100% a try. Awful decision.

[@scl9671]

Again Scotland robbed...we can never win anything 😢

[@robertpeters5278]

As a Wales fan, tough on Scotland, they should be 2 wins from2.

[@yenamarre424]

Tired that at the end of each match, all the refereeing decisions are discussed The ending is contentious, there may or may not be a try. Neither decision would have been scandalous

[@erickao630]

What just happened?👀 comment section:

[@kobhunter415]

What a plonker. The TMO was whispering in NB ear about transgressions under his nose. Nothing new but it costs teams.

[@yurkshirelad]

Yeah you were robbed, Scotland.

[@maxidiouseloken246]

I think its a try for Scotland in the end but in the first half we had a high tackle on Fickou by the last scotland defenders. It should be a penalty try with a yellow card. Scotland should played better against a french team who are not in great form.

[@maverick4177]

New Zealand Ref made the wrong decision and then asked the wrong question and Scotland were denied a victory And im a neutral Far too many referee’s making the game about them and not the sport Blame all the recently retired ponces

[@pierre3146]

You are right and I'm french

[@tonymchardy3885]

You are right but Nic Berry is Australian 😊

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Same "New Zealand" (aka Australian) referee decided that a tackle over the shoulder was legal and did not award a penalty try to France, compounded by the fact that the tackler then stood up in a offside position and played the ball, again without sanction. So while the final decision was contentious, a 7 pointer and yellow card for DvdM would have had that final alleged try only draw Scotland within 3 points with a conversion to come.

[@tonymchardy3885]

@@Karma-qt4ji and Atonio red card for a deliberate head contact to Zander Fagerson who had to leave the field permanently with a HIA ….arguably this prevented a try…….. it’s all ifs buts and maybe’s 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@tonymchardy3885 The fact that Atonio has not been cited for the incident does not exactly support your allegation that a red card was warranted. But you do raise a good point - cherry picking decisions is never going to give a fair reflection of the game. Bottom line is that Scotland should not have needed to play catch up in the final minutes, but should rather have focused on playing rugby in the second half. They were playing to defend a six point lead FFS, and it came back to bite them. They were lucky to get away with the van der Merwe tackle but instead of capitalising, they just sat back and rested on their laurels, second week running.

[@Lucky.Man.Altimori]

no try???? LMAO poor old scottish rugby

[@micheleeugenioleoni9308]

Arbitro con manie di protagonismo

[@graceygrumble]

Robbed.

[@DanCasey810]

The onfield decision was held up! The TMO would have had to have seen a clear grounding to overrule him. Its not corruption. Its unfortunate but the ref cant see everything!

[@martinmeinhold3642]

A robbed victory for Scotland. Point.

[@_eklektos]

Robbery 😌

[@Fred_l_l_]

Yeah well the high tacle from VDM should have been a penalty or a penalty try… so many refereeing mistakes left and right. They have to address it.

[@jamiec2188]

Seat belt tackles are legal now if they don't ride up. So no issue with vdm tackle.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@jamiec2188 Hahahaha like fuck they are lol. They are not considered dangerous but a high tackle nevertheless and with the ball carrier running away from him there is no mitigation either. A high tackle that stops a certain try is an automatic penalty try and yellow card for the tackler.

[@jamiec2188]

@@Karma-qt4ji been fine for at least a season. No head contact, no issue.

[@thegermanbladx7009]

As much as I hate the fact that the try was not given, it is the right decision according to the law. Don’t blame the ref, as you wouldn't shoot the messenger. Blame world rugby for not providing an adequate law that would allow for the correct officiating. And even then, can you blame the law in its current state? I guess rumbling the ball over with your forwards will always run the risk of a potential try not being given

[@Tereyoc]

France should have had a penalty try in the first half for van merve high tackle. Then standing up offside and intercepting the pass. It's Scotlands fault they lost the game. The defence of the blindside of the scrum for the French try was under 13s stuff.

[@jamiec2188]

Not a high tackle, no head or neck contact and not offside either as no ruck is formed.

[@Tereyoc]

@@jamiec2188 rules changed anything above the shoulder chest is a high tackle. The Scottish 14 is in the ruck

[@jamiec2188]

@@Tereyoc nope, seat belt tackles aren't automatically a foul unless they ride up onto the neck or head. No ruck as no one French player is on his feet above the ball.

[@Tereyoc]

@@jamiec2188 a french player was pushed into and over the ruck. There was an contact in the ruck there was an off side line

[@jamiec2188]

@@Tereyoc he's admitted he tripped and wasn't pushed, so no ruck, no offside.

[@britishpatriot7386]

Not a try so stop the crying

[@tasha0144]

Scotland robbed of a perfect try, tmo should be fired from the job, he called it grounded then changed his mind

[@danukadilshan3538]

Fake France with buy fiji beast

[@Karma-qt4ji]

What now?

[@playerforty4621]

Clearly held up, then it disappears in bodies. No try.

[@philipegar]

Clearly doesn’t. Are we watching the same clip? 😅😅

[@sandiletshaka9251]

Scotland was robbed. That was a try

[@ulisselandi9492]

Official had Falied! FUCK ! REFREE OUT ! TMO OUT ! TRY ALL THE LIFE !!!!

[@Grumpy_Englishman]

Was clearly not grounded ... Scotland must stop crying and move on ....if it was France u be clearly pointing out the same fact .

[@anglebars6084]

Haha if you look at the majority of people criticising, it’s from neutral countries like England, wales and Ireland alongside some French. So yeah it’s the rugby community not Scotland.

[@pierrea6794]

That being said blatant high tackle from VDM as a last defender was alors not sanctioned 😮

[@johnpollock7952]

​@@pierrea6794 "That being said..." let's try and point somewhere else to deflect the corruption... and let's point to something that wasn't even foul play.

[@johnpollock7952]

Every game Nic Berry has refereed with Scotland there has been at least one or multiple mind boggling corrupt decisions. It was expected before the game started, but it's shown him up so blatantly that serious questions need to be asked. The question is, will the authorities actually be under scrutiny here????

[@AndrewWands]

I moved on from the decision quickly and immediately started thinking about the England game ahead. More pressing issues

[@TommyCat4]

Glad the French won

[@PhantomCucu]

France🇫🇷🇫🇷🇫🇷🗼🗼🗼😂😂😂💪

[@markdowse3572]

It was held up - until it wasn't... Wow! Robbed? M 🦘🏏😎