drawfee having thoughts

[@quantumz1348]

I feel like there's a bell curve of 'Knowledge of Philosophy' where in the middle you get stuck pondering the complex implications of these supposedly impossible thought experiments, but people at the Min and Max Philosophy-Brain ends both identically say, "This scenario is absurd and poorly-posited, I refuse to engage with the premise and declare it silly stupid doo-doo."

[@MyScorpion42]

It can sometimes be frustrating. Like that super long tumblr discussion where somebody uses a metaphor based on the trolley problem to criticise working from within a system to change it and somebody keeps kicking the metaphor instead of the politics.

[@Lucifersfursona]

The human constant of yesn’t

[@Lucifersfursona]

@@MyScorpion42”literally stop the trolley and untie the people” “That’s cutting the Gordian knot😠” “Stan people are literally dying”

[@oreganoed8913]

Master debater.

[@DeltaEntropy]

It’s actually the opposite. People with no philosophy knowledge treat it as a dumb little personality quiz. People with some knowledge think it’s stupid because the limited premises and obvious biases. People with a lot of philosophy knowledge derive the underlying question being posed and are able to form a valuable discourse from it.

[@nebulonicc]

julia googling things during streams and interrupting conversations by reading aloud from her phone every so often is my favorite bit

[@SmudgedSketch]

Same

[@bigawoo]

"You can't **prove** you didn't die last night" *long pause* "I-" It ALWAYS gets me, I love that interaction so much

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

I had the exact same reaction to the question 😂

[@musiciseverything120]

I love jacobs theory about the transporter that as long as its the same molecules youre the same person becuase that means transporters dont kill you but eating food is a slow death because youre replacing the molecules youre made of one banana at a time.

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

A classic Ship of Theseus problem

[@MadCheshireHat]

"I don't have to hear your bitchin'" is my favorite thing, it just hits me with joy and amusement every time

[@LifesNeverHumDrum]

It’s so unexpected, I wouldn’t think Julia would be the one to pull that out, plus it’s right after Karina and Jacob have already given an affable response.

[@batcharacters]

It's so "grandpa or dad who is sassy and stubborn with his wife but in like an at least #1 playful way" coded

[@batcharacters]

this might be just me talking from experience with bickering parentslol

[@faroshscale]

​@@batcharacters so real, I've been there

[@ratwayresident]

i don't think it's healthy for the drawfee crew to think thoughts but dammit if i don't love it when they do

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

drawfee can have a little thought, as a treat

[@margot-forgot]

i will say right off the bat that they don't use the transporter in every episode, so he definitely doesnt die in _every_ episode by that metric either

[@jellyjilli1004]

"The kiss is implied" me shipping any couple

[@fukkthisnewupdate8882]

True!

[@DarthRayj]

As a sapphic who mostly ships sapphic couples, this is unfortunately nearly always the case it's rough

[@whitherwhence]

Kirk actually does die in every episode of Star Trek and he gets revived by dark rituals it just happens offscreen. They just don't show it

[@masterofthetear8138]

I think he should've been revived by normal rituals, personally

[@whitherwhence]

​@@masterofthetear8138normal rituals don't work in all of space. There's a science reason why and you can figure out whether normal rituals will work but it requires like a bunch of trigonometry so it's like simpler to do them dark

[@MyScorpion42]

If Jimin got struck by lightning and disintegrated and at the same time lightning struck a swamp and formed a perfect copy of Jimin from the particles in it, would your bias still be Jimin or would you change it to Swamp-Jimin?

[@C.V317]

Trick question, a lightning strike would just make Jimin stronger

[@FleursetRebellion]

Trick question, you can't make a perfect copy of Jimin because the original Jimin was already perfect.

[@C.V317]

@@FleursetRebellion trick question, the lightning strike would make another Jimin alongside the original Jimin. This happens every time lightning strikes the earth. That’s what the BTS army is, just a horde of Jimins led by Jimin Prime.

[@small_and_dangerous2068]

@@C.V317trick question, the lightning strike would lead the Jimins into having an existential crisis about who the real Jimin is and who should really be Prime Jimin, leading to the great Jimin massacre where we no longer have any more Jimins as a result.

[@C.V317]

@@small_and_dangerous2068 trick question, the winner of the Jimin War will be named the Jimin Prime of this universe and will receive an invitation from a victorious Jimin from another universe to join the League of Extraordinary Jimin to tackle threats throughout the Jimin-verse, such as an imperialist alternate earth ruled by Sonamoo.

[@frankiegigs3030]

always love it when julia drags the drawfee crew down into one of her google search rabbit holes

[@brainclamp]

trembling at these scholars

[@Doogie2K3]

Related to this, we need a compliation of them reading unhinged shit from their phones. No context, just whatever absolute nonsense Karina or Julia or Jacob pull up. (This can also include the infamous "how to pee" bit from SSS.)

[@alanfish91]

I need to hear more about this "how to pee" bit.

[@warningdeadinside2537]

​@@alanfish91It's when they played Landlord Super.

[@mimi_h]

move aside gorgug, the greatest wizards of this time are called drawfee

[@emmaconder7854]

Move aside, Fungalore

[@thespiritbox1030]

​@@emmaconder7854 he heard your wish

[@happenedbychance3392]

Wizards of Drowfey

[@cheeseboy1505]

Hell yeah lmao

[@rynbliss]

im taking a critical thinking class this semester and every week one of our homework assignments involves responding to a thought experiment, and the very first one we got was the pleasure machine lolol i was like oh hell yeah ive already thought about this a bunch with my blorbos

[@Arkholt2]

Here's a thought experiment: would Trekkies be more upset with Drawfee conflating Star Wars and two different Star Trek series, or with Drawfee improperly explaining how the transporter works? Also, how much more time would they spend explaining the transporter than they would the differences between the two series of Star Trek?

[@zestoflemon]

as a trekkie im just happy to hear anyone talk about star trek

[@marys4038]

As a kind of Trekkie I’m most upset that none of them have seen discovery and can’t reference Saru when talking about Kirk’s crazy walk

[@kiwilovescitrusfruit7712]

I’m so glad a member of chat mentioned that second riker comes back later as a terrorist

[@tylerc5021]

We must bring this to the Stargate fandom. They will find the middle.

[@ace_of_cakes]

@@tylerc5021 Stargate fan here. I would argue that the transporter does kill you because it disassembles your molecules and only transmits the instructions for a new you, not the actual molecules, so you die and are rebuilt. Whereas the stargate disassembles your molecules and transports them before reassembling you, so it doesn't kill you.

[@plant_12]

Since horses (and probably a lot of animals) are either left or right "handed" I assume the donkey would pick a hay bale based on that

[@kayleighlehrman9566]

Transporter doesn't transport your actual molecules, just instructions on how to reassemble another set of molecules; however I still argue that it is fundamentally different than Swamp Man because the transporter is deliberate while the lightning that creates Swamp Man is explicitly random chance.

[@ssjbears]

Joy as the suitcase full of mud in Williamsburg makes me lose it every time

[@scolek22]

love how nathan gave a spoiler warning for an episode of television that came out in 1993.

[@penguinpower314]

I love how their entire approach to any thought experiment is simply "no" without any further consideration

[@basementdwellercosplay]

Technically Riker's clone is a shiny as his only difference from the original Riker is he has sideburns and clone Riker doesn't. It makes for a funny reveal in a DS9 episode were the clone pretends to be Riker and removes fake sideburns when he drops the act and it's played as a massive reveal. As someone who forgot about the episode where Riker has a clone I thought the reveal was Riker is evil and had fake sideburns

[@MartyBoBlue]

the photoshops of william shatner onto starwars characters was amazing! xD

[@from_no_where]

I feel like everyone is glossing over the fact that the pleasure machine thought experiment starts by saying... super neuroscientists? Wtf is a _super_ neuroscientist????

[@nyantank1843]

See when a neuroscientist gets bitten by a radioactive neuroscientist....

[@e-811]

the difference is simply presentation (Megamind 2010)

[@plant_12]

Neuroscientists co-owned by DC and Marvel

[@shigekax]

Their friends all agree on saying they're super 👍

[@natebutontheinternet]

Transport Clone Riker shows up later in an episode of Deep Space 9 in what has to be the best reveal in all of TV history. Hes pretending to be normal riker and when he takes control of the ship hes stealing he pulls off fake "side beards" to reval that his full beard was actually a goatee.

[@phaIIicaIIyimpaired]

We all know the mouse is gonna ask for healthcare next...

[@bassyxgrelle8659]

Just reading the title immediately made think "Drawfee? They shouldn't be allowed to have thoughts, that just doesn't seem right" 😭😭😭

[@Posterizashin]

"If I go over there, he wins."

[@---fi2ml]

I love when they burst out laughing at the first basic premise of all of these. what if a guy got disintegrated by lightning.

[@MadamFizzgig]

The old suitcase full of mud really got me lol

[@TehAmelie]

Star Trek does a long song and dance to explain how traasnporters don't kill you but they're just assuming that consciousness exists as some magical part of your physical body that magically gets transported with it while it's dismantled and turned into energy. . .

[@meow-gk8gz]

i would feel more guilty if a kid drowned bc i had to go past them to save my child

[@spritethedragon5227]

Captain Kirk does not die in every Star Trek episode because they don’t use the transporter in every episode. Sometimes they just stay on the ship

[@s_napps]

“Mom let you have *two* thoughts?” - Karina Drawfee

[@GodofEels]

They were so real for this

[@psyducktective]

If a bolt of lightning struck Mallow from SMRPG and simultaneously struck a marsh would he be

[@lemon_robot]

You know what happens when a Mallow gets struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else!

[@lemon_robot]

...OH WAIT.

[@twojuiceman]

Are marshed mallows made of marshmallocules?

[@mog1755]

It seems like this is only a question because the first version is destroyed. If lightning struck a marsh and created an identical man, but the first man was not disintegrated, the swamp man is obviously not the first man. So why would the destruction of the first man change that status?

[@Sweetestnebz]

For the second that swamp man is created, that is the same man. But if both are alive they are now constantly experiencing different lives and because of that different people (like twins) but if original man does die while swamp man isn't him he is similar to what we would consider as an alternative universe verson of original man

[@fae4688]

i'm not a podcast person, my brain just doesn't work that way, but this is a podcast i'd listen to

[@ZiphFalsk]

Turns out the cure for absurd philosophy is cat

[@tinycoke3718]

When you havent heard one of the thought experiments and you have a crisis while laughing. Its the Equim one.

[@LexxLafever]

being rational is a decoy i think cause there is no “rational” decision to be made if the options are exactly the same. it’s the free will that’s the problem cause even if one hay bail was more “rational” to choose, the donkey couldn’t act on it. so it would do nothing and starve right?

[@hollyhobgoblin8838]

Unless it gets struck by lightning and Swamp Donkey is formed.

[@Reaper_Lord]

But swamp donkey is identical in every way, including lack of free will, therefore it will starve

[@LuckOfTheRoll]

It's stupid and I don't like it. The donkey either guesstimates the distance between itself and the food, or the donkey has quantom level information of its surroundings and Yes, there is absolutely no difference in distance to the atomic level. So either the donkey is choosing to believe both are the same distance(so it has free will) or the donkey should know that eventually the breeze or it's own anatomy will shorten/lengthen the distance between one or 2 of the choices and logically move to the according food source

[@rowanboleyn7383]

It's entirely irrational to starve when there are two sources of food right near it. It would have to choose one, because not choosing is the most irrational choice of all. I suppose choosing on a whim could be considered free will, and I don't have an answer for that lol but I'd imagine a purely rational being would like. Not starve? If it had the opportunity to?

[@DissedRedEngie]

I have two exactly the same choices of food, but rationality doesn't allow me to make anything but the most rarional thing. Therefore, I must starve, as making a random choice is irrational. Send my children my good byes, for here I shall stay. May they also find their rational tomb as I did.

[@blunderbass851]

Easily one of my favorite Drawfee streams ever.

[@---fi2ml]

A good few of these are also adventure time premises. Mostly the ones that are also star trek premises

[@drewkelly9469]

i have to take a break from the pleasure machine and pop in the bad machine every week or so for the pleasure machine to stay pleasurable (the pleasure machine is taking vyvanse)

[@JasonLihani]

Man, Karina is too powerful for this.

[@freakizoidboy]

everytime julia says anything my audio fucks up and she turns into an .exe file and infects my computer with a virus

[@TheFlamingDoh2]

Ok the swamp man hypothetical is actually JUST Swamp Thing’s origin basically.

[@VeronicaWarlock]

Yeah who just extracted this from comics and pretended it was an abstract philosophical question? Like we wouldn’t know???

[@salad544]

WOW !! what high quality youtube content. whoever made this must be like 6'7'' or something. so cool.

[@whatthefridge1o1]

Karina saying that milk doesnt quench ones thirst???

[@HazeEmry]

It really doesn't to me... Like it marginally fills me up like how food does but I would still feel thirsty

[@jonathanjernigan3865]

Justified True Belief theory? In my Drawfee?? It’s more likely than you think

[@86fifty]

2:37 - that movie still!! WHEEEEZE, i was not ready to be reminded of that! T_T You made banger kirk-in-star-wars edits for this bit, hats off!

[@SilverCyan]

6:48 this is literally just Swamp-Thing

[@jasperdracona]

19:12 i actually have thoughts on this one: no I would not, and no you should not. the people of Equim clearly have a different culture and cultural priorities than we do, and it is in no way up to me, or anyone else from Earth for that matter, to dictate their values or behaviour. Any sort of shift in cultural values should come as a result of the desires of the people within that culture, without coercion or manipulation from outsiders. However, if simple exposure to the people of Earth, or for us, exposure to the people of Equim, causes either group to reexamine their values/priorities, then that is totally fine. Learning from others and broadening your horizons is a good thing. But with a pill? that's some unethical ass shit right there.

[@sloandarkhorn44885]

He's just pleasurable experiences girl

[@prestokrevlar]

I love when Drawfee has thoughts and also Karina is there

[@EAncients]

11:21 A+ Jacob face

[@krabkrab_]

About the simulation one, yes, there is a reason to not go in the machine. First off, without any bad experiences to make the happy ones feel good, life would get very dull. Second, your family, friends, and pets would miss you.

[@DanteTorn]

Every one of these thought experiments is incomplete or misleading.

[@imbored4322]

truly the philosophers of all time

[@Hail-the-hypnotoad]

The title mase me do a lil nose exhale laugh and i immediately clicked on it

[@SirLightfire]

The logic part of my brain, and the "haha funni" part of my brain are fighting

[@hughbort]

I appreciate you ending the vid with cat

[@FlyingInfant]

This reminded me I have Oreos and milk.

[@ssjbears]

The thought experiments stream is my all-time favorite Drawfee

[@Sedecious]

I love that you can zoom in on videos now so I can zoom in as close as possible to each of their faces and see the pixels in full detail

[@espinacasable]

Is there a reason the hypotheticals have the most roundabout ways of getting to the point? Like is it literally just because the idea is so broad you can posit it in whichever way you want so why wouldnt you make it the "swamp-man conundrum" or whatever? Is it like mnemonic devices where the story being weird helps you remember them? Cuz i feel like making them into a quirky story ends up awkward when they have to add caveats like "well the donkey has no free will and acts with perfect rationality" like, why make it about a donkey at all in that case You could make it into a robot so you can add whatever bullshit caveat you need to make your point as part of its programming I feel like if its for approachability theyre missing the mark because people will get sidetracked immediately by the no free will perfect rationale donkey

[@Sammie1053]

I freaking hate the Big Bang Theory-ass "does the transporter kill you" debate, but I think Jacob's misunderstanding of how it works actually resolved the question for me The transporter is a matter-to-energy device. It breaks down the atoms of your body into energy and then uses that energy to reconstruct you somewhere else. It doesn't send the exact same atoms elsewhere - we know this, because if it did, it couldn't duplicate people. I would argue that, when it functions properly, it kind of _does_ send you and your component atoms somewhere else though It's converting you to energy and then using that energy to reassemble you somewhere else, right? So in theory, there isn't any new material entering the system like the swamp man argument. The material that makes up the transporter target is just going through a state change (matter to energy) and then that change gets reversed - the energy gets turned back into the matter it used to be - and the target gets reassembled somewhere else. If you had a block of ice, melted it, and then refroze that water in the same mold, I don't know if it'd make sense to say it's a "different" block of ice when it's made out of the exact same molecules

[@michaelnettles3059]

That is a different block of ice. Look at the ice it's clearly different.

[@brooklyn9923]

the issue of transporters makes much more sense if you know more about it 😭 iirc how (theoritical proposed) transporters work is they don't actually move the molecules of your body, they force a bunch of random other molecules to become identical to your molecules, and in the process destroy all your current molecules. its got a similar idea to it as the memes of "when you observe quantum particles they cease to exist" - by measuring your molecules, you have to destroy them edit: screaming JACOB NOO at my screen rn

[@lydiak416]

12:00 it’s just a vibrator and a gun 💀💀

[@TheHopperUK]

Souls are real in Star Trek! Explicitly real. The transporter is fine. Gosh it drives me nuts.

[@abj6920]

I'm only glad I can think because ut means I can follow these wonderful experiments

[@imos_theos]

20:05 I already do this when I'm watching a sport I like

[@ashu_ouo]

thinking and drawfee doesnt match

[@timothyhicks3643]

Rewatching this and I think I might have just solved the Trinitarian mystery The Swamp Man is the Disintegrated Fellow; that’s obvious based on my specific interpretation of David Hume / Jacob Geller. But imagine a scenario where the Disintegrated Fellow survived but the Swamp Man was also created just the same. The Swamp Man and the Undisintegrated Fellow both the pre-lightning man but they are not each other. Actually this doesn’t solve the mystery of the Trinity but it has to at least be one step closer to the answer

[@Yeetums]

Alright, I know I’m four months late to this video but before I start watching, I just want to ask: why is the Lego Star Wars: the clone wars minifigure Pong Krell (the only known Jedi from the Besalisk species, which are native to the planet Ojom) from The 2013 January release set number 75004 “Z-95 Headhunter” doing it in my regularly scheduled Drawfee clips?!?!

[@sloandarkhorn44885]

He's just marsh molecules girl

[@chetasaur]

my bias is joycat

[@thisurldoesnotexist]

I gotta watch this stream

[@gimmickgotbored7157]

6:53 Karina would make a great ventriloquist

[@kevandre]

Karina's t-shirt makes me chortle

[@jonothanthrace1530]

Karina is extra murderous in this.

[@quirkyjerky8646]

If it were my cow? No.

[@Ryfangor]

Hey uh... if anybody knows where to get the shirt karina is wearing, I'd love to know :3

[@Lucifersfursona]

3:19 see you later Midnight Gospel cowboy 3:49 “no free will and always acts in the most (ir)rational way?” This is why u don’t discuss animal awareness with people who think that because animals are amoral they somehow don’t have free will. That’s. That’s sapience. And humans have a very biased understanding of what we consider sapience. I hope the person who pitched a question phrased that way, and the person who wrote “why does the boy help the mouse,” 5:13😂 6:02 Karina puts her whole hand on the neoliberal stovetop, 6:17 Julia explains one of the bluntest reasons for collectivist support and she’s not technically wrong 6:37 and comrade jacob contributes to the water cycling of his friends 7:24 hypothetical: what if you were struck by lightning and were reconstructed as Shrek miles away in a swamp with a perfect copy of you with all your thoughts and memories is that you or a clone of you 8:57 NO ITS NOT THE EXACT SAME MOLECULES but it literally *_doesn’t matter_* because *_ALL MOLECULES ARE THE SAME OG MOLECULES_* god ain’t that the shit 💖 11:21 Pleasure Eurable’s Experiences (honking) 12:08 bad and naughty antihumanists go into the pleasure eurbal machine while normal not fascist people can just like burn with emotion and poke each other in the face and be cool with a natural death 🤗 14:24 I don’t know how to explain why but this feels like a House of Leaves 15:18 fuck it up farmer Ted🥲 16:06 an old suitcase full of mud “Equim” question guy is a person I would force to comprehend Kyuubey (it’s not just the Bible, it’s the neoliberal Bible which is so much weirder it’s like if you explained how most people feel a general collective empathy and then are taught to unlearn it to the guy asking the question and he just looked at you like the ICJ and said “well you see but no and assume I am inherently already correct actually” the thought experiment is flawed at its foundation because the question it’s asking is being asked in a way where it can’t mean anything- 22:00 this is just both aspects of Christ again

[@risen_demon5464]

When did drawfee start having thoughts? I've never seen that happen