Drawing Half Your Deck with Tamiyo is Easy | Much Abrew

How good is Taimyo, Inquisitive Student in Timeless when backed by Brainstorm and Blood Moon? Let's find out!
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[@juniorceccon]

That is why you should not concede that early in the game. The game where he did not concede because "you should not concede in early access" he won

[@PaperySloth]

Even if you win 1 out of 10 of those games, id rather scoop early to the 9 i lose and enjoy myself instead of grinding through those losses for that one win

[@jaysonking4055]

​@PaperySloth I agree, personally i think the only reason to concede is it increases the fun I have Ive definitely scooped in games i was necessarily losing but it just felt awful to play

[@R1138]

Yup - if you’re just playing for fun, scoop if you’re not having fun! If you’re grinding, behooves one to play it out.

[@jrjamesson]

@@PaperySloth but when you're playing for content and you know (or should know) you have definite outs and you know your audience will be frustrated by seeing you scoop with outs, it's a great idea to not concede. And here it turned out even better!

[@calebfaltinowski7473]

I think many people don't understand when to concede. Far to many stay in games they have no outs for

[@knightofsapphire1601]

All these years later, and we're still snap-bolting. We miss you, OG Innistrad.

[@mattm7798]

Make Snapcaster Great Again

[@xSnarfsx]

I would kill to have some dark ascension or innistrad drafts on arena. loved that format

[@CGA003]

Watching Seth Blood Moon the Omnath evoke elemental deck into a scoop is one of the most satisfying things, like a shot of dopamine directly into the brain. The epitome of what blood moon is supposed to be for, and why it's my favorite card in all of magic.

[@mattm7798]

I love watching greedy decks insta-scoop to blood moon...I love even more watching them play a couple turns as it dawns on them it's over.

[@BludMun]

i agree and approve

[@maikocat]

The other nice thing about Tamiyo, even if you don't flip her, she still shuts down turn 1 Ragavan.

[@mattm7798]

True. Requires the opp to have fatal push or bolt. Unholy Heat probably won't kill her yet(although would after blocking the ragavan)

[@wurgel1]

@@mattm7798 and all you need to protect her is a brainstorm and 1 blue mana. She flips in other players turns as well.

[@mattm7798]

@@wurgel1 true, so spell pierce is back in the main deck :) That said, in modern, it's much hard(impossible) to find a 1 mana modern legal spell that allows you to leave up 1 mana. If she does succeed in modern, it will be the ragavan effect...if you have interaction, you keep playing, if not, tamyiyo spirals into a win con so fast. I would say just run izzet with both monkey and tamiyo and use izzet charm to flip her or protect her :)

[@brennanruiz1803]

Fun drinking game for an Against the Odds episode: take a shot every time Seth says "this deck actually might be busted"

[@deadded5793]

My liver would die

[@orphelius1669]

I don't have enough alcohol for that

[@daktastik]

lmao, Seth rubbing it in against the Omnath deck

[@toast_recon]

I built a tamiyo moon deck yesterday. Get out of my head, Seth.

[@BM-on4bu]

Did you also eat 7 full fried chickens covered in gravy and donut glaze like diabetarmonicon?

[@Applesauce_Magician]

​@@BM-on4buwhat

[@toast_recon]

@@BM-on4bu I don't eat meat, but I was going to eat exactly that before I realized there was meat in fried chicken! Uncanny 🤔

[@BraydenCobb-lg3nc]

I built a dimir shell with frog, pitching 20 cards to a little frog is my favorite way to win to date

[@ScornfulEg0tist]

Tbh tamiyo seems great with frogs

[@Cloudy573]

I've been playing frog decks in both modern and timeless, it's super fun

[@GratitudeHealth8888]

​@Cloudy573 I really wanna make a frog tokens deck but I don't see many frog cards

[@crazyvikingboy2856]

Couldn’t you play black and just utilize deadly dispute? Tamiyo only specifies drawing 3 cards in a turn (including the one from draw step) and tamiyo attacks to create the clue that you can sacrifice to DD anyways. On top of that having a treasure to hold up a fatal push, or other interaction possibly. Making it even more boring you can play Sheoldred and Bowmasters and still keep the blue moon effect.

[@TheEvolver311]

Going into Black might be correct because WotC have pushed black beyond every other color

[@grubgobbler3917]

Would also work with Faithless Looting, is that on arena yet?

[@hamish2509]

Faithless Looting is on arena, from the strixhaven mystical archive bonus sheet

[@simionion9998]

​@@hamish2509And just from shadows over innistrad

[@strangelaw6384]

@@hamish2509 not just there. Faithless Looting was later released as a common in Innistrad remastered.

[@MochaMicah]

I agree with Seth on blood moon. God I wish it was available for historic.

[@gamesandguitars354]

Great video and deck idea Seth! Loved it

[@SkylersWife]

Great content Seth. I couldn't look away once. Reminds me of modern snap bolt days.

[@DGDevastation]

"Tamiyo might be busted..." He says after casting 3 copies of Mana Drain lmao

[@epothos1]

Ok change it to Counterspell what really changes on his following turn

[@DGDevastation]

@epothos1 I'm just saying, his statement, While hilarious, is incorrect. You can't necessarily judge a cards worth when you have to have half of your other cards dedicated to protecting it. Also, as he stated later in the video, the deck is incredibly poor at closing the game, which is bad deck design

[@deutscher1a]

@@DGDevastation if you can draw your deck after a few turns with a blue no hand size limit - it is busted Blue control can profit a lot from it Blue white control can profit a lot from it And thats the point: Its good for exactly this You have less troubles with aggro cause of +1 ability, you get your control heaven hand Every busted card is only busted in its context

[@Uefeti]

@@DGDevastation No it’s not bad deck design. Several best control decks in history of magic were either winconless or had the similar flaw. Take Lantern control for example

[@chubzoid]

​@@deutscher1aexactly right. Mana drain is very average in this deck. Tamiyo seems great in this format, and the "busted card" that makes this work really is brainstorm.

[@nickjoseph77]

I loved how you acted when you blood mooned the omnath deck. Hahaha

[@RedPandaStan]

the thing w tamiyo is, she's a 1 mana planeswalker that can flip super easily, has a +2 so effectively 5 starting health which is insane for a cheap planeswalker, and that +2 also protects her from multiple sources of damage. she was def designed to ultimate it feels like

[@ManaMoot]

Gotta love the Blood Moon

[@skyvoice1660]

Feels good man

[@chetasaur]

the blood moon conversation at the end is so freaking needed lol

[@DonovanPresents]

I love the outcome of that last match! 😂

[@freeejazzz]

Seth riffing on Psychic Frog for the entire match was hilarious.

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

need a chandra TOD to finish the game faster. 2 copies... should find it with tamyo ult.

[@shawnpariseau9951]

Seth. The bands you mention throughout. 🔥 🔥 and just saying grindcore is hilarious

[@Bloodmuffin6]

Love the moon deck with my favorite moonfolk 🥲

[@jorritdriessen5728]

Yeah Tamiyo very powerful. Yesterday had a long and interactive Modern game where I was playing Grixis Phoenix using Buried alive, and I was playing against Mono Black Coffers. Game was very interactive but Tamiyo generated like 5 Clues and then flipped, and even though it cost me 3 Shredders I got to the ultimate and then you know, the super close game became an easy w. All in all not bad for a 1 mana card to draw 5 and later draw 16

[@hablasetacobell]

Crabcore Troll of Kazad-Dûm with the bass guitar going wild

[@havenschade8174]

There actually is a card with dredge now, the necrobloom gives lands in your graveyard dredge 2

[@theEevee098]

Liked the video for Seth's Evoke Elementals meming

[@christopheranderson8311]

Would it be beneficial to add 1 copy of wren and 7 to dump all the lands you draw?

[@ther3aper561]

Tamiyo seems, among a few notable others, the perfect epitome of MH3. It's specifically strong in the control shell instead of broadly good and I appreciate that

[@TheEvolver311]

3:31 this far in, hope it works well since Timless feels so stale it needs more decks to break into the T1

[@pie4719]

Add Dreamtide whale so that it would synergize with the brainstorm and tamiyo?

[@sammycooper4038]

Hear me out hear me out, turbo fog. +2 is a mini fog, -3 recurs a fog, -7 is a wincon that can be easily achieved through protecting it with fogs. Also if you use a teferi’s tutelage version turning your card draw into mill all of the brainstorms and other effects become much better and the -7 becomes an instant win without extra trouble. Plus things like the one ring act as fog, card draw, mill, and Tamio flipper. Plus you could add in the six and one ring loop as an extra wincon

[@ivancarlos1055]

Seth at 43:26 made me lol so hard in the middle of the gym 😂

[@DonovanJones-eh5rh]

I knew I very polarity was going to be good as soon as I saw it.

[@stormcountmtg4183]

Did that earlier today in limited.

[@eckbeard45177]

For a finisher I would suggest something like Glint-Horn Buccaneer plus Bomat Courier.

[@SlimGiancana]

Hey Seth, what about adding the new Ral to the decklist?

[@markpeterson1027]

Seth, have you worked with Case of Pilfered Proof the and Ulvenwald Mysteries before? Crack a clue, get a 1/1 human creature token, when the token etbs, you get a clue? Combo requirements are heavy, but it's not the infinite combo itself that's fun, it's the clues you crack along the way. Case of the PP combo makes for a funny, if immature, name as well. Combo requirements: Case of the pilfered proof needs to be in play and online (so 3x assorted detectives in play at some point prior.) Ulvenwald mysteries must be in play. At this point the combo is functional, but not infinite. Add in a way to infinitely sac artifacts for free to finish the combo. Recommend tamyo's journal to help find combo pieces. I'd send my decklist, but frankly you'd probably replace 90% of it anyway since I'm pretty casual.

[@jakevuckturd1201]

The necrobloom has dredge on it and it's from mh3

[@MindstabThrull]

Silly question: Mox Amber seems to be the only permanent fast mana available in Timeless. What about playing that because you can turn 1 Island, Tamiyo, Mox, Brainstorm and have it as a Planeswalker on turn 1? Is it worth it?

[@Zuulne]

This almost feels like teaching arena about bloodmoon episode 2

[@MixedChaosSims]

Is timeless or historic closer to modern? I know neither are really but I’m just curious what has the bigger and more fun card pool

[@mostlyokay]

This week we got a Drawfee episode called "Opening Magic Packs [...]" and an MTGGoldfish episode titled "Drawing [...]"

[@nickjoseph77]

Tamiyo having a +2 instead of a +1 and giving -1 to your opponent's attackers every turn until she ultimates seems pretty freakin solid. Not Oko but still blue green good stuff and in this case you only need UR or UU or maybe a couple extra mana to make her a planeswalker turn 2. We've already seen how dangerous cards that cost 1GU have been lately. This is on par.

[@cupcakeapplesauce]

Seth popped off that last game

[@RyanMclain]

Your punishing rant earned a like

[@rennysama9752]

"Not supposed to scoop early" felt like 75% of your opponents scooped in this video lmao

[@GenocideHeart]

Tamiyo and Kappa won me several games in a draft, even though I rare-drafted. That combo by itself is nasty enough it gets busted if allowed to linger.

[@jackl8025]

Is there a cool top-end card we could play as a one-of just to use some Mana Drain mana? Not like you need something to make Mana Drain better, but it might help if you've drawn half your deck and need a way to close out the game.

[@zackestin1368]

Most blood moon decks are either way more aggressive with ragavan and DRC, Delver etc, or they play a sneak attack shell, playing neither is definitely an early access deck made by somebody who doesn’t play the archetype thing (also lorien revealed/treasure cruise is great for mana drain mana, not having either is a crime in 2024)

[@vaxfantomen]

You dont really need brainstorm to flip her. In historic you can do it turn 2 with sign in blood/chart a course/faithless looting and your drawstep

[@mattm7798]

Exactly. If Tamiyo need 3 extra cards to flip, then yes, but it's just 3, so it's 2 cards and there are a ton of 2 mana draw 2.

[@erisdiscordia5429]

I had never seen a psychic frog before. That card is fucking adorable. Some rise. Some fall. Some crawl. To get to psychic frog. Shit, now I have the dead in my head. Wait, were you also humming Terrapin?

[@JWL216]

I want to brew with her in blue white control in modern. With the new magus of the seas lol.

[@DarthTUK]

is it correct to have mana drain with no mana sinks?

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

Totally nock mocking the Omnath player with that Blood Moon speech. Totally fine.

[@Veutheyn]

Does Duelist of the Mind do anything for this deck?

[@ericwolf7460]

How about a set of Lotus Paddles? You could flip her on the first turn and could easily produce Red mana after Bloodmoon

[@ianrussell4650]

Grixis with the frogatog might be the way to go

[@user-pz1pc8wi1z]

I've heard people calling Harbinger of the Seas, Flood Moon. Sounded cute.

[@ceribralboy4468]

Boseiju who shelters all + Toil//trouble in the sideboard I guess (best I got)

[@CenJohan]

Seth wondering what dredge gets from mh3 like buried alive wasn't reprinted.

[@Duall8]

I can't be the only one who is still annoyed that Lightning Bolt still has the fire sfx and vfx as opposed to the lightning ones. I don't even play a format it's legal in but it still gets me when I watch content with it.

[@jstrobel3620]

There are two cards I associate with Seth moth than any other card - blood moon and siege rhino.

[@captain_nerdrage7091]

What are the best budget ways to draw half your deck?

[@mutedups]

Didn't think I'd hear a King Gizz reference in a MTGA video

[@alleycatw9l641]

Doesn't tamiyo trigger on a 'draw two' spell and not draw three? You draw one at the start of your turn right? Am I missing something here? Why does it have to be brainstorm? Does the draw at the start of the turn not count?

[@person3176]

31:22 that's kinda how i've been feeling when trying to run a mostly black grief list. i thoughtseize and i inquisition of kozilek and i grief and i reanmiate, then i have no cards in hand and have dealt 10 life to myself. then grief dies, and i die too. i'm sure there's a list somewhere seeing as rakdos scam was the best deck in modern, but i haven't made it work yet for timeless (though being bad at deckbuilding and never having played timeless before might have something to do with it)

[@imaginarymatter]

Buried Alive seems rad in Dredge.

[@dylanmahoney4889]

Sawtooth grin 🤘🤘

[@lozsmb18]

Yep Tamiyo is actually busted. Being able to get it down turn 1 and block Ragavan, or swing for clues, or attempt to flip it turn 2 either way its doing awesome stuff and I'd be very surprised if she didn't become a modern and legacy staple

[@mattm7798]

Tamiyo in brainstorm format seems pretty nuts. Also note Tamiyo only needs to draw 3 total cards in a turn so 1 and 2 mana draw two effects also flip her turn 2(things like chart a course, izzet charm, and tempest heart)

[@FlawlessRythym]

31:06 "Steal This Album" by System of a Down

[@devinneese1491]

Beat me to it

[@crimsonking905]

Could this also be turbo fog? 😅

[@phantomjoker5362]

Tamiyo!!!!

[@h2muller]

Seth, do you think this can work in Modern, where we don’t have brainstorm?

[@zackestin1368]

Some people are trying it with chart a course, but it’s definitely harder to do, especially at instant speed.

[@DavyMcWavy]

I’m surprised anyone else knows The Flaming Lips. Seems like they were mostly popular in Oklahoma.

[@loganshy2570]

Nothing more Seth than drawing half your deck

[@syrelian]

So this is a weird question for the nerds in the comments Why the heck does Tamiyo's backside have a dual-color border? She is still simply Blue from the front-side cost right? Since she has no text saying she's now Blue-Green, nor an alternative backside cost, she just has her -3 interact with Green

[@noahhager1187]

t1 tamiyo t2 winged words is enough to flip tamiyo can be done in modern

[@Nobody2989]

You think I should put a couple copies of Tamiyo in my DanDan deck? Would it be too good?

[@simic0racle157]

10:50 everytime a new set comes out graveyard strats reenter the meta, because people cut the random graveyard hate for new stuff, because they haven't seen any graveyard decks in a bit anyway, but those who know are ready and dust off their old decks to remind people why you need graveyard hate.

[@fredt1983]

Was expecting the "And Seth beat me silly with blood moon in early access..." to be in this, mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :p

[@scruz07]

22:33, we have found out finisher lol

[@Shishrr]

I feel like Chart a Course might be better than Brainsurge in some ways. 2 mana and flips tamiyo

[@allnightgamer792]

I'm with Seth 100% when it comes to Blood Moon. Domain and land based decks can be a very oppressive and hard to interact with deck because a lot of it's power comes from it's mana base and it's lands. Players have gotten too comfy running optimized mana bases and basic checking is a valid strategy. Every deck has a weakness, and domain/lands is blood moon. Blood moon is not an unbeatable card by any stretch.

[@JWL216]

The new flair is stupid in dredge. Is a free counterspell. Just a literal free cause you just get your creature back anyway.

[@danielgraves13]

havent they learned that using leyline of the guildpact is fantastic way to get domain turn 1?

[@ninjadrummer2395]

side note on game 1, even if your opponent had Cavern of Souls you can still mana drain the spell and get mana from mana drain.

[@SaintSoba]

Good note. I didn't think about that interaction

[@ninjadrummer2395]

@@SaintSoba have gotten a couple of ppl with that interaction if they make their spell un-counterable with veil of summer or similar effect

[@qubingjianshen8210]

If you play Mox Amber then you could play Tamiyo and Brainstorm on turn 1 rather then wait untill turn 2.

[@johndoe9343]

It's kind of wild how swingy Invert Polarity is.

[@jacobbrj]

You were looking for a discover card to play with beanstalks, etalis favor. If etalis favor and beanstalk are the only cards mana value two or less in the deck, then the first cast etalis favor plays at least one beanstalk. Bonus if there are still more etalis favor in the deck. But if you hit an etalies favor, you cast that and start over untill you get beanstalks.

[@Matthill121]

but then you have to play bad cards to make creatures to put it on

[@jacobbrj]

@@Matthill121 i mean, shardless agent is a bad card (except fire the cascade), but made it in the banned beans deck

[@Matthill121]

@@jacobbrj I more mean cards that are CMC 4 or higher that can make a creature to target by t3

[@jacobbrj]

Can't you target an oppenent's creature with etali's favor? Not like it is backbreaking to give +1/+1 as a cost to discover into beans? Lol. I think it is worth a try even though i see your point

[@Matthill121]

@@jacobbrj if the idea is that you can hit multiple favors to guarantee you'll eventually get beans, that would mean it would be occasionally +4/+4 to an opponents creature to draw a card

[@skykrow]

Tamiyo says third card, so anything that draws 2 cards will also flip tamiyo if you started the turn with her in play. Theres a boatload of cards that draw 2 like Faithless.

[@jonathanholleman5900]

Wouldn't treasure cruise be better than brain surge?

[@TheEvolver311]

Dodging gy hate? With Scam and just reanimation running wild on the meta

[@joelhatterini6392]

Not if you're trying to flip by turn 3. Treasure Cruise is much better in graveyard focused decks or for the late game. If you do the math, assuming optimal grave filling, you fetch land + 1 mana spell turn 1 (2), fetch land + two 1 mana spells turn 2 (5), fetch land + 1 mana spell (7) + Tamiyo + cruise turn 3. Too many things need to go right to pull that off. Edit: just remembered DRC, but that doesn't help the math much. Turn 1 fetch + DRC (1), turn 2 fetch + two 1 mana spells + 2 DRC bins (6), turn 3 fetch land + one mana spell + DRC bin (9) + Tamiyo + Cruise. So it gives you a grand buffer of 2 whole cards by turn 3.

[@jonathanholleman5900]

@@joelhatterini6392 that's fair. Good point

[@jasehearst1498]

I do think faithless looting would be way better though, the difference between 1 and 3 means you can flip tamiyo on T2 if you draw it or flip tamiyo + leave up counter later

[@Kryptnyt]

I think if I had to play this on arena, I'd be searching for the "Planeswalkers don't talk" button in settings...

[@capy3759]

King gizzard and the moonfolk wizard??

[@chronosorion6911]

That was a pure Blood Moon Scoop win, wasn’t it? I don’t think he had basic lands…

[@tspin5642]

Should have added emurcule in the deck and called it imprisoned in the moon lol

[@zacharyjledford]

I'd steal Once Upon a Time in Shaolin by Wu Tang Clan

[@nickjoseph77]

39 minutes Seth should have used his 2 mana from mana drain for the clue.

[@Worldwave]

29:12 Excuse me, Tamiyo VA?

[@derekandtheroadman8162]

If I could steal a record it would be jungle hits vol 3