Convergence of an Interesting Series

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Dr Barker

Dr Barker

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We show that the sum from 1 to infinity of sqrt{n^4 + 1} - n^2 is convergent. We also include a simple proof that the sum of 1/n^2 is convergent.
00:00 A trick to simplify
02:27 Convergence of 1/n^2
04:20 Method of differences
06:29 Considering negatives

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@ifomichev
@ifomichev 20 күн бұрын
There is a slight flaw in argumentation. The fact that the series is bounded from below does not automatically mean that it's convergent. The sine function is bounded too, but it does not converge. The reason why it's convergent is that it is bounded from above and increasing (per your argument that each individual element in the sum is greater than zero).
@vinko8237
@vinko8237 20 күн бұрын
It is bounded, and every term is positive, so the sum is strictly increasing, and limited from above. That is enough
@DrBarker
@DrBarker 20 күн бұрын
Very good point! This could have been explained much more clearly - every term is positive, so the important property is that the sum is increasing, rather than just that it is bounded from below.
@boguslawszostak1784
@boguslawszostak1784 18 күн бұрын
@@DrBarker we have in 1:40 Sum =1/(sqrt(x^4+1)+x^2)>0
@LeviATallaksen
@LeviATallaksen 20 күн бұрын
I guess the relevance of positive terms isn't just that the sum can't be negative, but also that the partial sums keep increasing towards either infinity or an upper bound. After all, a general series could also diverge by oscillation.
@skylardeslypere9909
@skylardeslypere9909 20 күн бұрын
Exactly
@DrBarker
@DrBarker 20 күн бұрын
Very good point - this could have been explained much better!
@Bayerwaldler
@Bayerwaldler 20 күн бұрын
The quick and dirty way would go something like this: sqrt(n^4 +1) = n^2(sqrt(1 + 1/n^4) ~ n^2(1+1/(2n^4)) = n^2 + 1/(2n^2). The whole expression therefore ~ 1/(2n^2) …
@holyshit922
@holyshit922 20 күн бұрын
My first idea was multiplying by (sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2)/(sqrt(n^4+1)+n^2) then comparison test Series 1/n^2 is convergent so given series also is convergent Based on that he wrote in the description it is good way
@JohnCavendish-ql4jc
@JohnCavendish-ql4jc 20 күн бұрын
My method too.
@koenth2359
@koenth2359 20 күн бұрын
Very nice! Alternatively, set (n+e)^4=n^4+1, from which it follows that 0 < e < 1/4n^3. Therefore sqrt(n^4+1) -n^2 < (n+ 1/4n^3)^2 - n^2 = 1/2n^2+1/16n^6 Knowing that Σ1/n^k exists for k>1, it follows that the series is convergent. Using the known values for ζ(2) and ζ(6) it follows that the value is smaller than π^2/12 + π^6/15120 < 0.89
@DrBarker
@DrBarker 20 күн бұрын
This is a very nice alternative!
@robertveith6383
@robertveith6383 18 күн бұрын
Your second and third lines have errors because they are missing required grouping symbols. For example, 1/4n^3 *means* (1/4)n^3 by the Order of Operations. So, you need to have written 0 < e < 1/(4n^3) to express what you intended. And so on.
@vvop
@vvop 20 күн бұрын
Lovely. A nice quick derivation with one eye on the election, I guess.😆
@vk5hse
@vk5hse 19 күн бұрын
Let (n^2 + eta)^2 = n^4 + 1 It follows that eta^2 + (2n^2)eta = 1 It follows that eta must be smaller than 1/(2 * n^2) if we have (eta^2 + (2n^2)eta) = 1 It can also be noted in passing that eta^2 will be smaller than 1/(4* n^4) Accordingly sqrt(n^4 + 1) = n^2 + era So, sqrt(n^4 + 1) - n^2 = eta And since eta < 1/n^2, the sum of the series must converge.
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar
@MyOneFiftiethOfADollar 20 күн бұрын
3 ton Elephant in the room is the sum of the squares of the reciprocals famously converges to PI^2/6. Your way is instructive in the sense is proves convergence without finding the value series converges to.
@mathmachine4266
@mathmachine4266 20 күн бұрын
Of course it's convergent. It's (n²+1/(2n²)+O(1/n⁶)-n²), so its O(n^-2).
@bntns
@bntns 17 күн бұрын
For The Completion!
@tenormin4522
@tenormin4522 18 күн бұрын
I still do not get the point of determining convergence without an actual sum. It seems to me like and empty game. Sex without orgasm, food without swalowing, vodka without alcohol... What is the sum and how to find it? Otherwise it is meaningles in my opinion.
@redrosin99
@redrosin99 19 күн бұрын
Just multiply by root(n^4+1) +n^2 and divide by the same. You get 1 over root(n^4 +1) + n^2 that clearly goes to zero.
@pedroteran5885
@pedroteran5885 18 күн бұрын
That's a necessary but not sufficient condition for the series to converge.
@eiseks3410
@eiseks3410 20 күн бұрын
The sum is approximately √2 - 5 +√17- (5/8) + (π^2/12) 😂
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 20 күн бұрын
sqrt(3)? Edit: no it's slightly larger than this when N is 200.. Edit again: If you take n from 0 to +inf, the sum is sqrt(3) + some change, approx. sqrt(3.01)
@jessenemoyer1571
@jessenemoyer1571 18 күн бұрын
I'm not watching the video. At a glance, multiplying top and bottom by the conjugate yields 1/n^2+more which converges by the p-test. Somebody hit me up if that's not the end result, or how it was done. Pls and thnx.
@plutothetutor1660
@plutothetutor1660 18 күн бұрын
I haven't watched the video but i think comparison with 1/n² would work well
@dontobillo
@dontobillo 20 күн бұрын
what about the value?
@seitanarchist
@seitanarchist 20 күн бұрын
That is likely very difficult, if not impossible, to figure out. I would bet that it is unknown. Even computing the much more basic sum of the terms 1/n^2 requires somewhat sophisticated machinery.
@tenormin4522
@tenormin4522 20 күн бұрын
But what is the sum?
@LuizPoublan
@LuizPoublan 20 күн бұрын
That's another beast entirely
@dalibormaksimovic6399
@dalibormaksimovic6399 20 күн бұрын
I calculated it, its around pi^2 /12
@user-cd9dd1mx4n
@user-cd9dd1mx4n 20 күн бұрын
​@dalibormaksimovic6399 No. It is around 0.734572122454611 But pi^2/12 is around 0.822467 Percentage error is about 11.97%. Hence not a good approximation.
@dalibormaksimovic6399
@dalibormaksimovic6399 19 күн бұрын
@@user-cd9dd1mx4n I know, when I just ignored in expansion everything after n^4
@user-cd9dd1mx4n
@user-cd9dd1mx4n 19 күн бұрын
@@dalibormaksimovic6399 Why would you ignore, if that will lead to a significant error (above 10%)? I may ignore insignificant terms, only when my final result has an error 2% at most (depending upon my application). Generally an error of 10% is huge.
@lwandomakaula3574
@lwandomakaula3574 20 күн бұрын
Got lost in the first step😂😂
@reinhardtristaneugen9113
@reinhardtristaneugen9113 19 күн бұрын
I checked out by mental calculation and it seems to converge towards zero and it is not too difficult to see why and one could show per complete induction that the larger the number to get the root of the smaller gets your result in that you got always a quadratic number plus one, which shreds you the decimal fractions in ever smaller pieces rooting them, so you end up converging towards zero. Le p'tit Daniel, Mama Christine I want to be with you making maths and burgers🐕🐕🐕🐕🐕
@robertveith6383
@robertveith6383 18 күн бұрын
No, that is not logical.You are already starting out with a positive value in the summation when n = 1, and every term that is added is necessarily positive, so that the sum must be greater than zero.
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