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Dream Chaser completed, ready for its first launch & future propulsion that makes NASA crazily...
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Dream Chaser completed, ready for its first launch & future propulsion that makes NASA crazily...
"Plunging into the ocean is awful, landing on a runway is really nice," affirmed the CEO of Sierra Space before the public.
Yes, and in reality, that statement is absolutely true!
Who wouldn't want the return journey from space to feel like sitting on a plane that lands gently?
And that seems to be on the verge of becoming a reality as Dream Chaser - Sierra Space's most precious gem after over a decade of development and overcoming many events causing delays, is finally taking a significant step towards the first launch of its life.
The spaceplane is back!
All will be revealed in today's episode of Alpha Tech!

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@morrigannibairseach1211
@morrigannibairseach1211 9 ай бұрын
That ship is going to get shot into a wormhole and lost in a distant part of the universe. The pilot will take refuge on a living ship full of strange alien life forms and chased by an insane military commander. They'll be emotionally torn that if they go back someone might follow them to an unprepared earth but if they stay we will never know the wonders they have seen. *cue crazy music*
@jbx.7995
@jbx.7995 Ай бұрын
I've seen the X37b docked onto the I.S.S., no lies, I'm going to keep an eye out on this Dream Chaser , identifying is key, thanks for sharing great stuff honestly
@NAV-tv7xf
@NAV-tv7xf 9 ай бұрын
GO Dream Chaser. Hopefully they will do the smart thing and switch to Falcon 9 for their launches.
@markoreilly3414
@markoreilly3414 9 ай бұрын
No Booster, I guess they will just put it in "LongTerm Storage", like Orion & Starliner !!!!
@pplusbthrust
@pplusbthrust 9 ай бұрын
Well at least it is electric powered so it wont contaminate space. These genius engineers must be proud.
@Odder-Being
@Odder-Being 9 ай бұрын
It's such a beautiful design !
@titolino73
@titolino73 9 ай бұрын
Let's see if all this enthusiasm will still be there after the real costa will be revealed because in the past the launch costs of the shuttle increased by a 100 times!
@aaronstodolka3438
@aaronstodolka3438 9 ай бұрын
Great info
@riogrande5761
@riogrande5761 9 ай бұрын
It would be a nicer way to transport people back to earth.
@sshumkaer
@sshumkaer 8 ай бұрын
I'll only be happy when one under it's own power flies off a run way into space
@liquidsnake6879
@liquidsnake6879 9 ай бұрын
It's just awesome how many new space companies are popping up and trying all kinds of things NASA could never spend time dabbling with all by itself
@spitbacca
@spitbacca 9 ай бұрын
Most are abandoned NASA projects, so a lot of the design and testing of designs have been done by NASA already
@henrymach
@henrymach 9 ай бұрын
Farscape-1 feelings... Now where's that wormhole?
@tmg7476
@tmg7476 9 ай бұрын
The Shooting Star cargo module has arrived at Armstrong for testing. Not sure about Tenacity.
@StEvEn-dp1ri
@StEvEn-dp1ri 9 ай бұрын
Riding atop ULA's Vulcan Centaur rocket? That's still to be seen. In fact, it's still to be seen if anything can ride the Vulcan Centaur anywhere.
@clarencehopkins7832
@clarencehopkins7832 9 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff bro
@belledetector
@belledetector 9 ай бұрын
Well produced and informative piece. I would have liked some additional information on the Shooting Star cargo module, and the modularity it encompasses, like the inflatable habitat. I would also like more insight into the economical benefits of the Dream Chaser´s runway landing vs the sea recovery of a Dragon module, as it´s obviously a cheaper form of operation, but at the cost of higher complexity and thus cost, I assume...
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 9 ай бұрын
I hope they are working on the manned version right now.
@PlanXV
@PlanXV 9 ай бұрын
It's for a man and a woman since the pilot is a robot 😊
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 9 ай бұрын
@@PlanXV please no woke. Manned as in for mankind and robots are fine until they aren't. You still need a real pilot when lives are on the line.
@PlanXV
@PlanXV 9 ай бұрын
@@keithhoward4069 which pilot is it TARS 🤔 or CASE since the best pilot is TARS
@Liferoad371
@Liferoad371 9 ай бұрын
Looks like another space shuttle to me.
@user-curtisingreenville
@user-curtisingreenville 9 ай бұрын
I hope that in time as this vehicle proves its safety and reliability that Nasa will want to scale it up to be a fully realized space shuttle replacement that can handle its own crew the way the original shuttle fleet once did.
@MichaelSeaBelA
@MichaelSeaBelA 5 ай бұрын
I miss the Space Shuttle. Oh well. At least the Dream Chaser is less complex than the Shuttle.
@bomat761
@bomat761 9 ай бұрын
Question: why design a spacecraft to resupply an aging space station? There must be more to Dreamchaser than that.
@Tinman_56
@Tinman_56 8 ай бұрын
I really like dreamchaser and its (good parts) similarities to the Space Shuttle as well as the X-37B, however it may be grounded more than flying until such time as a new space station is operational while the ISS is being decommissioned over the next 7 years and until more launch vehicles become available to launch it often. What we need are MORE moon destined spacecraft to be built commercially since we can not completely count on Artemis, unfortunately 😢
@-Chooka
@-Chooka 9 ай бұрын
Sending it up on a Vulcan will be a big mistake. Atleast wait until the Vulcan has proven itself to be reliable enough.
@stratcat3216
@stratcat3216 9 ай бұрын
Dream Chaser is just that.... a pipe dream that'll never change a thing.
@Alpa_Chino
@Alpa_Chino 9 ай бұрын
I see a Muskomania in here :D
@DrDiff952
@DrDiff952 9 ай бұрын
Anything not flying on SpaceX rocket is cost prohibited
@Borzoi86
@Borzoi86 8 ай бұрын
The less the ill-starred Shuttle is referenced as a "good program" the better . . . It was a killer!
@c.raysporleder648
@c.raysporleder648 2 ай бұрын
Including a grade school teacher ALL the kids knew….
@jimwinchester339
@jimwinchester339 7 ай бұрын
So this could be what the Shuttle was supposed to be, at only the expense of payload size. Seems poised to be more flexible, especially with respect to return locations.
@walt452kgcliff
@walt452kgcliff 9 ай бұрын
DREAM CHASER PLUS SPACE X. E NUFF SAID.
@leapdrive
@leapdrive 9 ай бұрын
Dream Chaser will be cost-prohibitive when it’s able to ferry supplies and astronauts. Their rockets will be worth billions of dollars per launch while SpaceX’s Dragons will cost a small fraction to complete the same job.
@53glowe
@53glowe 9 ай бұрын
It's factually $225m per launch and future launches will be $100m per launch...source CEO Michael Gass ULA. Not billions per launch 🤔
@leapdrive
@leapdrive 9 ай бұрын
@@53glowe , competition will be tough against SpaceX.
@Riteaidbob
@Riteaidbob 9 ай бұрын
Yeah? They gave the same kind of BS numbers for the space shuttle too.@@53glowe
@titolino73
@titolino73 9 ай бұрын
Talks and talks about everything but the launch mode....wasre of money!
@bwise7739
@bwise7739 8 ай бұрын
No reason Dream Chaser can’t launch on a Falcon 9 or a reusable first stage from another company now that SpaceX has proved the concept. The only thing stopping it is NASA’s incompetence.
@michaelhband
@michaelhband 9 ай бұрын
👍👍👍❤❤❤🚀🚀🚀
@itisyourboy-cz9ot
@itisyourboy-cz9ot 4 ай бұрын
Should have space x launch it
@BMF6889
@BMF6889 9 ай бұрын
Putting it on top of massively expensive one time use rocket isn't economically efficient, especially when it seems to be designed just to shuttle people and a few thousand pounds of cargo to the space station which will be decommissioned in the not too distant future. Then what?
@KirkDickinson
@KirkDickinson 9 ай бұрын
What is up with that weird front landing gear. Does it just have a strip of something on it that gets ground off on landing and replaced every time before launch? Why not just have a regular wheel?
@kennethwers
@kennethwers 9 ай бұрын
Space rated tires are way more expensive than replacing that skid plate. The skid plate weighs less and takes up very little space. The arm is covered with heat tiles without the need for doors. Seem to me a very good way to go as the skid plate is only on the ground for a short time during the landing.
@EagleFighterJet
@EagleFighterJet 9 ай бұрын
Great
@thomasleeper2202
@thomasleeper2202 6 ай бұрын
How many dream chasers being built ????
@proveritate9312
@proveritate9312 9 ай бұрын
NASA and SPACEX working together can only be a winner ! Moonlandings and Mars expeditions will become a definate reality ! Goodluck !
@ravensrulzaviation
@ravensrulzaviation 9 ай бұрын
Woo. Sooo cool. Cant wait til it ferries astronauts.
@billyc3772
@billyc3772 9 ай бұрын
FUZZY DICE!!!! 👍
@laxplayer99
@laxplayer99 9 ай бұрын
too bad they went with a rocket that isn't ready
@UQRXD
@UQRXD 9 ай бұрын
The planet will be ruled from low earth orbit. Sky City.
@GregoryJByrne
@GregoryJByrne 9 ай бұрын
"Do not forget this one thing. 1 day is as 1,000 orbits to eclipse the magnetic equator of our stars Oort cloud magnetosphere. Jesus These are just the birthing pains. The new moon tides are a pale shadow of Noah's tidal wave deluges to come for the next millennium every 40 years starting in 2033." Take up your cross & follow Jesus.
@jerryhadler8835
@jerryhadler8835 9 ай бұрын
Youd think theyd make sure of building and perfecting the rocket first since its the most dangerous part instead of the return part first.
@davidpayton-pb8to
@davidpayton-pb8to 9 ай бұрын
The rocket part is the "easy" part.
@frankmcgowan9457
@frankmcgowan9457 9 ай бұрын
I don't think Sierra Space plans on building a rocket. They are more concerned with space habitats and return vehicles. Lift to space is SpaceX's main strength. Dreamchaser can ride with SpaceX or ULA or - if it ever happens - BO.
@igorpro8462
@igorpro8462 9 ай бұрын
Which part of that bast shoe is a revolutionary one? The Soviets made one like this more than 50 years ago, and the Americans stopped flying space shuttles a long time ago for a variety of reasons. The physics didn't change a bit since then. If it's another toy Virgin Galactic style, then why not, but something serious?
@gacattack1234
@gacattack1234 9 ай бұрын
Comparing apples with oranges proves little. The first SUV was built 90 years ago, should we stop building them?
@igorpro8462
@igorpro8462 9 ай бұрын
@gacattack1234 You missed the point. Nobody calls the new Grand Cherokee revolutionary.
@gacattack1234
@gacattack1234 9 ай бұрын
@@igorpro8462 There is no point to miss and while I was talking about the Chevy Suburban, when was being revolutionary a requirement for something to exist. Being useful is more important.
@wm9782
@wm9782 9 ай бұрын
This vehicle has been in use for secret military missions already
@runi5413
@runi5413 9 ай бұрын
you're thinking of the X--37, probably. Same basic concept (and it also looks kinda similar: like a mini space-shuttle), but it's a different vehicle altogether.
@irailuygul3931
@irailuygul3931 9 ай бұрын
Cezalar köyü OFF CSWZGGH NJJ 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
@fosterparent7477
@fosterparent7477 7 ай бұрын
WHat's wrong with reusable rockets?
@Dragonych1976
@Dragonych1976 9 ай бұрын
More money, less results
@bassbone2010
@bassbone2010 9 ай бұрын
Why is the front leg of the landing tricycle a skid instead of a wheel?
@brianw612
@brianw612 9 ай бұрын
A skid is a lot simpler and lighter. It also eliminates a brake for a wheel and induces drag slowing the vehicle. There are many more advantages, like not having to maintain that nose wheel temperature and eliminating the risk of bursting. I believe they refer to it as a friction pad.
@MarkLandrebe-ef5yd
@MarkLandrebe-ef5yd 9 ай бұрын
Oh no !! Another female president, this time Siera. Let the boys take care of certain things. Look at GM's president; whole company in jeopardy.
@joedoggity9400
@joedoggity9400 9 ай бұрын
Angie Wise, lord and manager of everything, master of nothing (i.e., no trench experience)
@davidl.howser9707
@davidl.howser9707 9 ай бұрын
Well I listened. What is the added value that Dream Chaser brings to the near future, and how does it further enhance LEO space industry launch economics? I see just another larger X37B that has been flying a long long time while Dream Chaser chases a corporate dream of a project to chase NASA public taxpayer money into a private company's bank account / make work program. I wonder if the ISS will still be in orbit before Dream Chaser is able to finish a pitiful few six operational flights for all the public funding aka tax dollars spent? I see Dream Chaser as a concept in search of a reason to exist past gobbling up NASA public research funding for a service SpaceX already supplies to NASA at a lower cost. Just more fiery pink plasma gas lighting here. Nothing more.
@josephgagliardi5518
@josephgagliardi5518 9 ай бұрын
Really? Really? OMG your comment was hard to read. Then I realized how very differently you and I see the world. For you, the world is a practical place that needs good management. For me, God put the heavens out there as a tease, and left us the message "come see". The road to the heavens is not a straight line. Dream Chaser is a wonderful stop along that road.
@davidl.howser9707
@davidl.howser9707 9 ай бұрын
@@josephgagliardi5518 Well one day we may meet, and I will wish to hear more about your Universal view point. God willing we will live to find out the value Dream Chaser brings to Low Earth Orbit space exploration when operational some day, and after ISS is no longer an orbiting NASA destination 6 short years from now.
@gphilipc2031
@gphilipc2031 9 ай бұрын
😆😆💨💨🚽🚽🧻🧻
@waynedrummond6583
@waynedrummond6583 9 ай бұрын
So basically they designed a lump of metal with seats inside, and wheels that they can push down a runway while "waiting" for Blue Origin to stop rorting NASA and the US people for billions of dollars on an engine they don't even have a conceptual design for.
@Ade-ll2yt
@Ade-ll2yt 3 ай бұрын
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@MASAspace2071
@MASAspace2071 8 ай бұрын
Dragon
@johnnoble01
@johnnoble01 9 ай бұрын
Just an high flying aircraft, not really a space craft .
@Curdledgorilla
@Curdledgorilla 3 ай бұрын
Dream chaser is intended to take supply the ISS, which is in orbit.
@moon39466able
@moon39466able 9 ай бұрын
So damn small whats it going to carry a ham sandwich
@user-curtisingreenville
@user-curtisingreenville 9 ай бұрын
and a can of pepsi!!! whaaah???
@n.b.p.davenport7066
@n.b.p.davenport7066 9 ай бұрын
On the news this evening the Dreamcatcher has crashed on Highway 70 in California , a week or two ,to identify and clean up the bodies and wreckage😢 and now for your weekend forecast.
@PlanXV
@PlanXV 9 ай бұрын
Looked like a chicken 🐔 😅
@franklunt8975
@franklunt8975 9 ай бұрын
Where in a global crisis. Mass migration by people attempting to get away from repeated starvation episodes caused by massive devastating changes to seasonal weather cycles. Climate Change is mostly caused by human activities and behaviours. Not by the people who live in Africa but by the people who live predominately in the Northers Hemisphere. Petrol and Deisel, aviation fuel and Coal fired Power Stations. To now be talking about sending tourists into space on a regular basis with the massive exhaust produced is reckless to say the least and disgraceful if we are honest. "Dream Chaser" is a "Nightmare Guarantee". This sort of excess must be stopped!
@frankmcgowan9457
@frankmcgowan9457 9 ай бұрын
I disagree with literally everything you said. I remind you that God makes droughts; government makes famines. Governments should just stop making famines. "Net Zero," a government program on a global scale, will first starve plants of carbon dioxide and then it will starve us of both meat and vegetables.
@thomaskoehler9992
@thomaskoehler9992 9 ай бұрын
At least it can get Frank out of here.
@frankmcgowan9457
@frankmcgowan9457 9 ай бұрын
@@thomaskoehler9992 The *_other_* Frank, right? *_Right?!?!?!?_* 😂🤣😂
@Lawton-v6q
@Lawton-v6q 7 ай бұрын
Ok?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@HorsleyLandy88
@HorsleyLandy88 9 ай бұрын
Trying to justify the NASA spend on a mini shuttle, total waste of money.
@tmg7476
@tmg7476 9 ай бұрын
Disagree. My son has a Ram pickup, Dodge Charger, and Harley. Uses them all depending on needs. NASA made a mistake betting on the Shuttle to do it all. We need variety for flexibility.
@wbwarren57
@wbwarren57 9 ай бұрын
Meanwhile, SpaceX is doing a half-assed, poorly conceived, poorly built job of creating a heat shield for Starship V2 (V3? V4? V5?...). Maybe the Chuckleheaded Toddler doesn't realize that if the Starship V2 (Vx?) heat shield can't be made to work, the entire Starship program is a waste of money.
@KirkDickinson
@KirkDickinson 9 ай бұрын
Time will tell.
@leapdrive
@leapdrive 9 ай бұрын
Starship development is not paid by taxpayers unlike NASA’s projects with its contractors. Furthermore, SpaceX does project with much better cost efficiencies.
@wbwarren57
@wbwarren57 9 ай бұрын
@@KirkDickinson "Alpha Tech" did a nice video about the engineering process that Dreamchaser went through in designing and implementing their heat shield. Haven't really seen any evidence that SpaceX is taking the heat shield as seriously. From what I heard about the first launch, there might have been evidence of tiles falling off during the launch and flight.
@wbwarren57
@wbwarren57 9 ай бұрын
@@leapdrive Not sure you are strictly correct here. As far as I know, SpaceX has signed up with NASA to meet some key milestones in support of the Moon landings.
@frankmcgowan9457
@frankmcgowan9457 9 ай бұрын
I'm convinced! You do it.
@ozchvalevsky7946
@ozchvalevsky7946 9 ай бұрын
1111🤠🤠🤠🤠🤠😎😎😎🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
@alphatech4966
@alphatech4966 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@stevedurnal3703
@stevedurnal3703 9 ай бұрын
Indeed, hopefully Angie & crew are already preping to adapt to the only real game in town, Falcon 9.
@2150dalek
@2150dalek 9 ай бұрын
This launch will be aWEsOMe!! Design is like watching the XR-V craft in the 69' movie 'Marooned' come to life.
@PeteSty
@PeteSty 9 ай бұрын
A design that started in 1957. Boeing does it again!
@stevenbruce5799
@stevenbruce5799 9 ай бұрын
Government inefficiency at its best.
@joeycad
@joeycad 9 ай бұрын
Setting down on a runway at 200mph, or would you like to touch down slowly down to 0 mph on a pad?
@LuciFeric137
@LuciFeric137 9 ай бұрын
Lol. That's never happened. Propulsive landing on earth is just stupid
@vilehans9665
@vilehans9665 9 ай бұрын
The biggest sense for reusability would have the Dream Chase combined with SpaceX. Waiting for Blue Origin means waisting the time or giving the Chinese a timely advantage but NASA is so generous to their competitors
@irailuygul3931
@irailuygul3931 9 ай бұрын
Ceza jvrtnmh😢😢😢
@kennethwers
@kennethwers 9 ай бұрын
I would think that the heat shield should be able to be cast and baked in one piece with expansion grooves build into the inside of the casting.
@pplusbthrust
@pplusbthrust 9 ай бұрын
Good advice now pay your taxes & know that no one cares what you think pilgrim. Pay your tax.
@marcusrauch4223
@marcusrauch4223 9 ай бұрын
@@pplusbthrustwtf are you talking about?
@Leontestedevorant
@Leontestedevorant 9 ай бұрын
Please don't ignore the rest of the world and use common metric data too. 🙏
@alphatech4966
@alphatech4966 9 ай бұрын
Yeah! I will note that! Thank you so much
@Ingens_Scherz
@Ingens_Scherz 9 ай бұрын
Elon should take a very close look at Sierra Space (I'm sure he has!). They're very exciting.
@HorsleyLandy88
@HorsleyLandy88 9 ай бұрын
It looks very small, I guess the payload will be about 5% of Starship
@riogrande5761
@riogrande5761 9 ай бұрын
I see what you did there!
@gregoryblajian8951
@gregoryblajian8951 9 ай бұрын
I am curious just what the expected turn around time and re-usability costs are for Dream Chaser. A runway landing is nice, but if it is as costly as the shuttle to actually operate that seems like a tremendous waste of MY money!!! The shuttle was awe inspiring to watch launch and land but at $100's millions to $1 billion+ for each launch it wasted more funds than the average citizen in the US could even comprehend. I'll take the slightly bumpier ride on one of SpaceX's ships if it costs $1 million per ride/launch than a smoother ride on Dream Chaser at $10-$100 miliion per ride/launch. That is just common sense.
@GregJones-l2r
@GregJones-l2r 8 ай бұрын
The problem is physics and the math involved in time travel. Good luck humans.
@XCX237
@XCX237 9 ай бұрын
Its just another space plane. Nothing new. There has been many. Nasa likes going backwards. 😅
@davidpayton-pb8to
@davidpayton-pb8to 9 ай бұрын
It isn't nasa...
@Dragonych1976
@Dragonych1976 9 ай бұрын
@@davidpayton-pb8to But nothing revolutionary
@joeyho5134
@joeyho5134 9 ай бұрын
I hope it succeeds and send a couple of astronauts update the Hubble telescope.
@sshumkaer
@sshumkaer 8 ай бұрын
Should of been bigger
@louispeel9919
@louispeel9919 9 ай бұрын
Dream Chaser is a failed Relic of the past and should have been left in it's grave! lol
@EinfachFredhaftGaming
@EinfachFredhaftGaming 9 ай бұрын
This is cool and all but what is it good for?
@Curdledgorilla
@Curdledgorilla 3 ай бұрын
Getting stuff down from the ISS and to labs in a timely manner. Sea recoveries take a long time compared to unloading a plane on a runway.
@uniqueaustraliandestinatio1352
@uniqueaustraliandestinatio1352 9 ай бұрын
Copy of 1960's Soviet space plane.
@manuell3505
@manuell3505 9 ай бұрын
It looks like ESA's Hermes that never happened. We're beyond the shuttles now.
@sparkles78
@sparkles78 9 ай бұрын
so its a copy which really works ? LOL
@thomaskoehler9992
@thomaskoehler9992 9 ай бұрын
It is, Russia to Australia to US in a long path with many turns.
@d.s.2016
@d.s.2016 9 ай бұрын
Great TPS report!
@alphatech4966
@alphatech4966 9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 9 ай бұрын
Indeed, he did well with that TPS Report. However, he still hasn't returned my red stapler.
@wolfgangscholtes113
@wolfgangscholtes113 9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the Dream Chaser will be far to late and will probably have no business, once it has been overtaken by the Starship
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 9 ай бұрын
I think they have a niche market. They are going to be the only low impact return spacecraft for the near future unless Space X can get moving much more quickly. Space X has yet to reach orbit with starship much less land on those arms. I like Musk so I'm pulling for him but space planes are a great way to go.
@johnr2766
@johnr2766 9 ай бұрын
Time will tell. Having more than one or two types of vehicles isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'll bet Elon would agree.
@frankmcgowan9457
@frankmcgowan9457 9 ай бұрын
I think of Starship as a railroad boxcar or a giant bus and Dreamchaser as a crew-cab heavy pickup truck. In the long run, we need both.
@Alpa_Chino
@Alpa_Chino 9 ай бұрын
Another Muskonaniac
@keithhoward4069
@keithhoward4069 9 ай бұрын
@@Alpa_Chino Maniac? I don't agree with him on many things, but he has accomplished quite a lot. There is much to admire.
@outbacktrek
@outbacktrek 9 ай бұрын
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