Dream VS The Internet - A Mark on Minecraft History...

[@TheMisterEpic]

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[@arhamandaghar]

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[@token2471]

Very unfair that he got off scott-free

[@Orangeninja777]

Imagine not joining the discord

[@bradaloop]

He definitely cheated and it's so surprising how so many people still fail to see this. It's statistically impossible and his response report was bogus. Just one of many people getting off with no reprecussions after an 'apology' I suppose

[@InfamousJRP]

yea

[@nephit77]

Crazy how massive minecraft speedruning is now, yet in the old days barely anyone cared about it.

[@TheMisterEpic]

It is indeed interesting

[@cyberseai9305]

Dream victory lead him downhill to contreversy but him speedrunning before the contreversy already made speedrunning category so popular

[@IamJustaSimpleMan]

@@TheMisterEpic maybe that would be an interesting video idea? The history of Minecraft speedruns?

[@RodriHermo]

@@IamJustaSimpleMan Yeah that be cool. Also I think MC speedrunning is just popular because Dream people started doing it because Im in this community since 2017 and back then the community was extremely little and underdeveloped

[@Dolphin002]

I remember being very interested in speedrunning before Dream and then following a speedrun tutorial that was intended for 1.7 from years ago in 1.14

[@MawTheVoid]

i swear this topic will embed it self into Minecraft's lore

[@boid9761]

That's assuming that it hasn't already

[@MawTheVoid]

@@boid9761 fair enough

[@sorel6619]

100th like

[@MawTheVoid]

@@sorel6619 woah

[@aarontheperson6867]

i kinda hope it doesnt.

[@gregoryshortale]

Fun Fact: The odds of you getting struck by lighting twice irl are 1 in 9 Million. Just to give you some perspective on how low the odds are.

[@I.disagree]

Nah man he's just lucky /J

[@dominiclichfield9594]

And some people survive them they are lucky right?

[@gvc7314]

Or their not like 100millon active players on minecraft and accomplishing that is that geting hit 8_8388$6#63+#+6$-*!#! Lighting bolts in row everyone has the one lucky thing in their life

[@dominiclichfield9594]

@@I.disagree yes

[@spider6060]

@@gvc7314 that's not taking in to account that Minecraft players have never left their house before

[@kuridragon9099]

lets be honest, if dream hadn't behave like a douche this wouldn't escalate that much, but instead of keeping a cold head, he gets quickly defensive, like a teen that got caught but still thing he can get away with it but it's behavior only makes it worse

[@laggory]

he still behaves like one, seeking for validation from his stans

[@КотВасилий-м7н]

21 year old acting like a gen z child heh

[@sukidable]

Yeah, if he wasn't being a dick nobody would care.

[@hexor0846]

Imagine being triggered or taking something as big of a deal like minecraft lol

[@kaydenl6836]

It’s so hard to watch as a semi-fan, because I completely understand and empathize with him. I’ve got severe ADHD too, and I know what it’s like to immediately lash out-rejection of any kind hurts far worse for us, can even be physically painful from tiny things-and is hard to manage. That doesn’t mean the behavior is ok, but it’s like watching someone get mad over traffic, you get it, you know, but that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to have road rage like that.

[@deltalord6969]

Man it felt like it was just yesterday...

[@TheMisterEpic]

It's been w few months yea

[@ColonialForbin]

Yea yesterday I remember that so well

[@cyberseai9305]

As techno said: I realized now that rank number 1 isnt an achievment its a prison that forces you to dedicate your life to defending a temporary title but now with the war finally over im free

[@gnewhall4116]

2021 is going by so fast compared to 2020

[@_username]

@@cyberseai9305 I read that in Techno's voice and it was amazing

[@leevanvree2845]

I still blame dream for the fact that the glow squid was added

[@marissahicks3529]

Same here. I do believe he had every right to express his opinion, but he full on manipulated his stans to raid the vote

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

@@marissahicks3529 now that what I call just gross

[@darth3911]

@Anavay Mudholkar Dream did not rig the vote he did ask people to vote for it before the voting started on twitter and then he spammed glowsquid before I go into what made the glowsquid win i want you to be aware that multiple other big minecraft youtubers demanded there fans to vote iceologer i don’t remember all the ones which did but I do know antvenam was one of them. Now the reason why the squid won, before the minecon event happened some big modding youtubers made a mod of what they thought each mob will be like in game. For there version of the glowsquid they made it emit light and they made it drop a item that makes a new potion which was vary OP and unbalanced. Its effect being that it will freeze your enemy’s when hit with the potion. This alone was not a bad thing but the problem was one of them also reports Minecraft update news on his YT channel and some thought that’s how it really was going to be like. It also doesn’t help that he made the title and thumbnail as clickbiatish as possible. That all said I think it’s safe to say what drove the squid to actually win was not Dream but rather it was clickbait and community mods which mislead people on the actual features. P.S. rewrote the comment to fix general spelling errors.

[@Deepak_Joe_Daniel]

@@darth3911 wow ,that's kinda sad. I really hoped the icologer would win.

[@leevanvree2845]

@@Yekulten I didnt know that

[@KenjiWasUnseen]

Dream is one of the most controversial and impactful person I've ever seen on this community, it's mental

[@boid9761]

His success is his detriment. Watch the Dream documentary of the same name, it's very informative

[@gnewhall4116]

@@boid9761 are you referring to the cordwit video?

[@TheMisterEpic]

Very true

[@chrisbrochu3663]

@@gnewhall4116 duh

[@boid9761]

@@gnewhall4116 Yes

[@EnigmaLuigi]

what i think is so funny about the whole situation is that when dream stans thought the mod team made a mistake, they sent death threats. When dream said "yeah i actually cheated lol," his stans said "Its okay everybody makes mistakes"

[@BigTreeGuy04]

Two faced pieces of shit called stans

[@oliviermarcoux9675]

not the same people, he has a ton of fans

[@pinkie723]

And then after all the drama died down he was all like "Ok, I cheated, but it was an accident!" out of nowhere, like what the heck??? How do you accidently cheat???

[@emerson-biggons7078]

Yeah he did accidentally cheat IMO, but I think he is also an arrogant dumbass. I really don't like him.

[@Anonymous-id4dp]

@@Rye-Bread how are you supposed to forget a mod that you added, according to your info you are claiming that dream was using the mod to cheat on other videos

[@kulled]

@@Rye-Bread long story short he had a plugin he uses for manhunts to increase drop rates so they aren't stuck there for hours trying to get pearls or whatever (however that would happen lol) so apparently some mischievous wizard came along and converted his server plugin into a client mod and dream, being the innocent good boy he is, didn't think to check his mods folder for any unsavory stuff and ended up accidentally cheating. don't you see!? dream is the VICTIM here.

[@Anonymous-id4dp]

@@kulled are you a DREAM STAN?

[@kulled]

@@Anonymous-id4dp not even remotely. its clear you didn't read my comment.

[@cerealchef563]

Bro imagine being a professor. And having to write why green blob does not cheat

[@ghjklkop7868]

but he got paid

[@cedrick25]

And have it all debunked by a dude on Reddit

[@eduardoxenofonte4004]

his final conclusion is that he did cheat though

[@ghjklkop7868]

@@eduardoxenofonte4004 yeah, ironically :-)

[@enigmafiresup4658]

@@cedrick25 I mean yeah though he guy clearly did his math wrong, but he himself also agrees that Dream cheated

[@Bruhlie]

One thing that bugs me to this day about this drama is the claim “Why would Dream cheat when he is so popular and so skilled?” It is not uncommon for the best players in a game, electronic or athletic, to resort to cheating. Saying Dream would never cheat because he is already one of the best Minecraft players is like saying Lance Armstrong would never dope because he was already one of the best cyclists, or that Richard Hatch would never sneak in matches because he had already won survivor.

[@ZachtheMudkip]

As Karl Jobst said “Cheaters don’t cheat to get a faster time, they cheat to get a time faster”

[@inthefade]

@@ZachtheMudkip exactly what I was going to quote

[@tyson_3301]

I agree with that point. That's not why I believe he didn't cheat. Dream seems to be an honest guy and unless he blatantly admits to cheating, I won't believe it. Just because odds seem to be against him, doesn't mean that he cheated. Odds are against people all the time. People are given a couple months to live and then die of cancer, but then live 50 years more. The odds of getting struck by lightning are 1 in 9 million. Lots of people have been struck two, three, or even four times. One man was struck 7 times. Odds that seem totally impossible, happen all the time. That's something to think about

[@inthefade]

@@tyson_3301 the problem is that Dream had those spectacular odds in many straight games over a period of many days. Go see the Standup Maths YT channel to understand just how spectacularly unlikely it is. It isn't just one unlikely game.

[@tyson_3301]

@@inthefade Yes I understand that and I've seen his vid. I've seen most of the videos claiming he cheated. I would definitely say it's a possibility but I still don't fully believe it. I've been checking the math myself and it leans a lot closer to what Dream's astrophysicist math was. I'm not done checking it though so I can't be too sure. The odds def aren't in his favor, but there are tons of his games that he's played where he had a lot worse luck, whether uploaded or not.

[@Redacted_Ruler]

I think people are forgetting something. Dream isn’t dumb. He knows that his fans will believe anything. He knows that he can’t talk down his stans or he’s gonna lose 1/2 of his subs. He knows what he’s doing and is very self aware.

[@chkensammich]

The dude almost comes off as borderline sociopathic sometimes

[@frederikjrgensen252]

@@chkensammich Dreams man hunts are also staged.

[@imfleazz1113]

@@frederikjrgensen252 In the last man hunt he posted, there is a strange moment when he craft a bot mid-air and its look so much like a macro

[@frederikjrgensen252]

@@imfleazz1113 In the las man hunt sap nap was literally flying but nobody talks about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2nHpGmJo7R6pdk at 35:37

[@PigeonFlare]

Do any of you realize how much effort it would take to stage 40 minute plus video? Just a 3 minute long script(for example) would take up like 5 pages in google docs. This isn't even about Dream being a good person or not, I just think it's much more plausible all of the things you point are just bugs, luck, or Dream being good, than him actually scripting everything from the start.

[@wyrdvora]

I love Antvenom's view of not caring except that it was submitted.

[@TheMisterEpic]

It was a great point from him

[@gaminf6713]

Yeah i wouldn't care if he cheated The fact that he submitted it proved that he thought he could get away with it He probably though he was trust full enough and had dozens of stans would make him invincible And now look the mighty had fallen

[@harshdeeplamba2632]

I feel like the worst part about it was his response. He attacked the speederunning mods and kept defending without claim

[@iuruoy-shao]

@@harshdeeplamba2632 yea especially on twitter, he was toxic towards the mods

[@Evler_]

@@iuruoy-shao he wasn't only toxic towards the mods but toxic towards people who agreed that yes he indeed cheated which was quite unprofessional of him considering his audience size.

[@The_Horizon]

so he admitted it

[@TheMisterEpic]

"Admitted is a strong word, "tried to frame himself as the victim" is more accurate

[@thek_king]

@@TheMisterEpic Oh nO hOw woUlD yoU trY tO Make OuR loRd DweM sEem nOt InNocEnt. /s obviously

[@smitbaria6296]

After 11 months

[@derekg5006]

@@TheMisterEpic I can't see how he accidentally left the plugin on. Honestly I can't trust the guy anymore, and his toxic stans would make the situation worse

[@Blue-wh7mz]

Yes.

[@KevinNguyen1]

Well at least we had put all of this drama behind us and I'm happy that no one in the comments is arguing about if Dream cheated or not.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Indeed, rather we can look back at the situation and discuss how interesting it was, rather than argue about it

[@boid9761]

Dream cheating is now the same as Elon Musk being a shit person It's now just something people mention whenever Dream is mentioned

[@poopfart65]

@@boid9761 what's wrong with elon

[@boid9761]

@@poopfart65 Blood Lithium

[@poopfart65]

@@boid9761 bro tf is that?

[@sunthlower4812]

Used to love his content and I was fine with watching his non-speedrun content even if he was a cheater. But the way he trashed everyone afterwards and refused he cheated at every step of the way and tried to manipulate people with his fame. Cant look at him except in disgust.

[@cyberseai9305]

My opinion is that I dont hate him if he cheated or not I hate him because of how stupid he reply on the arguments like he just doesnt think of what his saying and his just manipulating his stans to protect him smh :(

[@derotgaming2730]

@@cyberseai9305 yeh hes like "oh no! somebodys disagreing with me, stans atack!"

[@featherycoffee1401]

"Polarise the people, Controversy is the game It don't matter if they hate you if they all say your name." - Money game

[@cammo9104]

“You did it the world is yours. Walk on to a stage with thunderous applause”

[@TheRealDismantler]

No Luigi said that to himself

[@heh2186]

She sell blaze rods on the nether fortress

[@John-ss7cr]

@@TheRealDismantler yes Luigi speaks great words

[@MarceloKatayama]

"Gun down a school or blow up a car The media circus will make you a star" -Dark Matter, Porcupine Tree

[@pawpatrolsuperfan]

When faced with conclusions based on objective and explicit statistical analysis, dream stans continued to defend dream's actions. I think it is safe to say that if dream had humbly admitted to cheating and moved on, people would have forgiven him. So why didn't he? That says something great about his character and integrity as a person.

[@cedrick25]

What's funnier is, Dream stans, in no way presented factual evidence to support their claims. It was like trying to build a tall tower with no support (pretend each brick placed is a defense comment from a stan), it's bound to collapse and make things worse.

[@user-tzzglsstle585e38]

@kermitderfrosch That what we call petty argument, if you can't win against math and objective evidence; throw them some trivial shit. That's how Dream and his stans works.

[@johngrave5554]

@@putent9623 he cheated in a speed run, a competitive environment where everyone is spending hours to get the best time the best strat. If he just changed the odds in single player mode no one would care. How do you prove statistical anomalies without using statistics? TBH I don't care if you defend anything else that follows this. But how in the world would you prove wrong doing in statistics without using statistics? Also his speedrun got taken down, all he could come up with was 'I was lucky", used an astrophysicist I think, to write a paper about statistics what a clown. Also no one refuted the other sides paper while everyone took a dump on dreams "proof" not only minecraft but actual mathematician.

[@knightesquire36]

@@johngrave5554 literally the most basic thing is that odds of something happening is low but its never 0. So to prove he cheated you need to find modifications. If you cant find any signs of modifications then this whole thing is pointless and it was dropped for good reason because neither side can be proven 100% right.

[@johngrave5554]

@@knightesquire36 what you think is more possible dream cheating or him being the luckiest man human kind has ever seen or will ever see? I hate the argument "WELL ITS NOT 0" just shows you have no idea how probability or statistics work.

[@tescouilleleprofornite6642]

When dream realized no one was believing him anymore,he just stopped talking about it and deleted his video

[@ricois3]

He would have done that wether he knew he cheated or not

[@MrMelonsz]

Thats the smart thing to do. The way to delete controversy is to leave it in the dust and make people lose interest. It’s still very good to apologise for your actions though, apologise and then leave the mistake behind you. Don’t forget about it completely but also don’t drag it out and shatter your reputation like Dream did.

[@phoebev2620]

It's also shows people how easy it is to cheat. Like dream had hours upon hours of evidence but all you actually need is to submit is the run. Like if dream did cheat which he probably did, why didnt he just submit that run and not stream hours and hours of it. Surely he would of knew that it would of backfired. But this whole thing has made people think about other speedruns, one that don't stream it for hours. To think there is a lot of people cheating behind close doors, there should be better ways to stop people cheating

[@universaljoyconboyz4ever161]

The issue I have is both sides don't even prove anything. Dream failed to prove he cheated with the incorrect information and scetchy recourses and the other side failing to prove he did cheat. They proved he was extremely lucky with calculations they did on probabilities. They didn't prove anything

[@Megaritz]

@@universaljoyconboyz4ever161 That depends on how you're defining "prove." It sounds like you're proposing a 100% standard of proof. But by the standard you're proposing, nobody could ever prove anything, literally ever.

[@Khorzho]

The only thing worse than a cheater, is a cheater who refuses to admit it when they get caught.

[@daniilfilms]

If he does admit he knows he’s gonna lose a lot of respect

[@madebyshiny]

@@daniilfilms atleast he admitted the cheating and maybe change himself rather than being a boy hiding in the bush

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

Ironically someone who never cheated would also forever deny it. For the record, I believe that Dream cheated. I also believe that comment is made in bad faith. "Your honor, the defendant just claimed they were innocent. That's what a guilty person would say". While completely ignoring that's also what an innocent person would say.

[@Fiercesoulking]

@@madebyshiny He had to after Stand-up Maths made a video about it until then this was a case for the speed-run community and Dreams fans after this million saw it joined by the who is who of youtube in the comments . Also Matt did a great job to explain the math behind it and how absurd unlikely the results were.

[@colkillervin3560]

Basically rust cheaters when they get caught

[@boid9761]

I remember when Dream used to be this small KZbinr who makes content for fun. But when he blew up, never did I saw myself hating him, yet here we are

[@KenjiWasUnseen]

I remember when Dream made unsolved mysteries and minecraft but videos before the controversy

[@boid9761]

@@KenjiWasUnseen I do too. Those were the days I'm convinced success went to his head before the controversies

[@cyberseai9305]

On first i only hate dream stans but im still a fan but when i saw dream just being biased by his stans (the vid that dream made titled "Dream stans..." And he always comment toxic dumd stuff then he just delete it eventually. This happeneds a lot in the twitch Now i saw why dream stan isnot stopping

[@boid9761]

@@cyberseai9305 You don't see DanTDM, Pat or Sky fans sending death threats because they made it clear that they don't like this shiet. With Dream, his line in the sand is so ambiguous the Stans think they're Justified to do so

[@cyberseai9305]

@@boid9761 But what abt techno he doesnt have that kind of drama he doesnt have that kind of toxic fans and at last he's NOT toxic

[@SO_Snake]

For all the Dream stans, this video is just a summary of the drama, this isn't a hate video about Dream. Do not just dislike this video, if you do not enjoy the topic, which states that Dream cheated in the end, then go watch another video. I have seen numerous videos getting alot of dislikes about this topic for no valid reasoning.

[@namewastaken2496]

I am one of the fan of dream im so quiet at this i didnt dislike or hate anyone containing drama or accusations he get, i just liked his content because its really entertaining tbh i dont really care if dream cheats in something. I agree to others that dream success has turned into his own detriment.

[@OzCroc]

To all the Dream stans, get a life.

[@namewastaken2496]

@@OzCroc there were just a few dream fan whose toxic and they need to get it there were so many kids in dreams fandom and the adult one like me know what these guys doin.

[@OzCroc]

@@namewastaken2496 You sure you're an adult? You have the grammatical skills of a 6 year old on drugs.

[@namewastaken2496]

Ok im a 14 year old tbh im not that good my grammatical skills is so terrible im living in philippines so ok ur right about it hahaha.

[@eneshiro7727]

Popularity really got to his head, Dream seems too cocky nowadays

[@theoriginalman9426]

"Don't get cocky luke" - Han Solo

[@laggory]

what's what happens when you study the algorithm before being a content creator

[@kimi1522]

As someone who doesn’t have any biases when it comes to this and still hasn’t learned the math here (8th grade, Swedish education system), I definitely believe he cheated, but credit where credit is due, he’s really good at sounding convincing, holy hecc.

[@carsonhayes8718]

Honestly though

[@derekbaker2134]

Agreed, after his video I was convinced he was fine but like dang, taking a step back and watching actual professionals dig into both was the deciding factor. I now realize how convincing others can be over math itself and it's honestly terrifying...

[@OzCroc]

I can see through people's BS. I know when people are lying. He sounded so fake.

[@genalynnesanjuan5788]

@@OzCroc I exist. Am I lying or not?

[@Justsomethingsyearsago]

@@genalynnesanjuan5788 no your name is exist. You just said that. Unless lying is your middle or surname

[@williewillus]

This is just sad, to be honest. I don't watch this guy, but the outright manipulation of young, impressionable fans will lead to adults in the future that reject facts, math, and science. That it doesn't being right or telling the truth doesn't matter, just how loud or how famous you are. We definitely don't need more of that, especially here. Ultimately, Dream knows in his own mind what he did. Even if he had gotten the WR, you still live with that knowledge that it was all fake. That has to have some weight, unless you only care about it for the views, clicks, and money. Very worried about the trend of anti-intellectualism we're seeing in recent years.

[@Pihsrosnec]

To be fair, it's not just recent. Just take a look at the climate change denial that has been present for decades

[@shakumyn]

It seems that people really want to return to Monke.

[@jad3n114]

@@shakumyn lol fax

[@jad3n114]

I agree with you to be honest this generation is blind to facts and simply focus on whoever they like more.🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@koinaisk]

@@jad3n114 i think all generations man

[@jan-lukas]

"so easy to fall into the trap of numbers and graphs" (from a tweet in the video) - I think someone doesn't understand science there

[@TheMisterEpic]

Indeed

[@bmidd2418]

I was waiting to see this comment. I just can't understand how stupid you have to be to say something like that.

[@OzCroc]

@@bmidd2418 Americans

[@trimansinghtuteja4199]

Well falling into the trap of graphs is indeed true, many graphs are very misleading, I can say this because I am skilled enough to make graphs out of almost anything. Even BBC presented misleading graph. Actually maths itself can be very misleading if you don't see from the right perspective. The Best Explanation in a easy way is given by Matt Parker according to me. If you ask me whom I side with, I will proudly say Maths.

[@Mystery_Biscuits]

@@trimansinghtuteja4199 this

[@toshichoo]

I feel genuinely disturbed with how manipulated his "stans" are, like thousands of people refusing to even acknowledge that Dream could even do wrong.

[@sheepewe4505]

Cult of personality

[@ktommy4804]

Dream could walk down to grand central in New York City, commit the largest massacre in the history of the world and his stans would still think hes innocent

[@toshichoo]

@@ktommy4804 like "he didn't mean to" lol

[@SwizzleDrizzl]

At the same time, there's always going to be extremists for everyone. But also at the same time i kinda agree I feel like Dream is overly bullied because the stanbase is utter dogwater xP

[@toshichoo]

@@SwizzleDrizzl Yeah, but it gets really weird when Dream does something objectively wrong and he gets called out for it, but his stans are like "They're only saying you did wrong because they're haters, don't worry Dream🙏," you can even see it in the video lmao

[@AbramSF]

How to get away with cheating: Deny Deny Deny and once everyone has time to figure out the truth ask to move on.

[@Icriticrandomthings]

LOL. Just shows how immature he can be and get away with it just because he has a lot of fanbois showering him with praises despite the fact the he had caused so much trouble.

[@siltra_]

r/statistics: imma about to end this whole mans career

[@TheMisterEpic]

Hahaha

[@user-gh2rr5hx7c]

@@TheMisterEpic @TheMisterEpic

[@siltra_]

Yes

[@admiralrng6506]

funnily enough, the debacle made me appreciate statistics more since I hated it at first thanks green blob lmao

[@yourfellowhumanbeing2323]

@@admiralrng6506 nice

[@REBELDOMINATORS]

This incident was interesting and controversial. Hope everyone staying safe and doing great.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Exactly my thoughts

[@valskraacapo720]

@Daffa Mutaqin Tetaputra I'm disappointed in Dream for not admitting cheating, which is way too likely he has done. Also in Mr.beast, especially Karl for tricking dreams young fanbase into thinking everyone is against Dream and that he has done nothing wrong. Dream has defiantly given the calm Minecraft speedrunners a bad image.

[@aoshi9254]

Why do you make it sound like there is an armed army hunting down people who aren't in dream's side

[@REBELDOMINATORS]

@@aoshi9254 is that what you thought?

[@SirKarlIsTheMod]

@@TheMisterEpic Imagine Dream never posted that in Speedrun.com

[@Vienna3080]

The way Dream just refused to admit he Cheated and emboldened his Toxic Stans just put me off from watching him anymore

[@Vin-sv9fm]

Yeah, the dude really come off to me as very manipulative and petty.

[@dubioustheatreyt8096]

His manhunts, even if staged, were entertaining. But after this and the squid controversy, I lost all interest in him.

[@macobus6743]

@@dubioustheatreyt8096 they arent staged tho, he uploads the raw footage

[@patriot7624]

Yeah same

[@mailpaper866]

@@macobus6743 Idk about this one cause if you look closely you can see some clear evidence they're faked. Xp going up for no reason showing a possible splice, mistakes that could've easily been avoided. But who cares if they're fake, still fun to watch.

[@TheAstip]

I hated how manipulative Dreams responce video was. Being 21 and good at maths i questioned the truth after watching it, after a while realised he was full of bs. Being interested in the maths I was delighted to see Matt Parkers (standupmaths) video on the subject.

[@davidcapes1567]

I'm a stats student (20 myself) and I picked a few errors on first watch of dreams video and realised it was a little manipulative too. But I had the thought it my head "If I didn't know the maths, this would be believable. I think his fans are going to be convinced he is innocent".

[@certifiednobody]

@@davidcapes1567 To be fair, Dream said himself (If your willing to trust what he says) that he didn't know math that well and trusted what the statistics said

[@davidcapes1567]

@@certifiednobody I know. But to me once someone's word is shown once to be untrustworthy they lose the benefit of charitability (not to mention the non-statistical bad faith misscharacterizations he made)

[@Yes_Indeed-w7t]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't his response math applied like how a sixth grader thinks "if I flips a coin 20 times I surely would get heads ten times". I am a little slow when it comes to math

[@RealFooking]

Imagine cheating, having received evidence proving you cheated, and STILL pretending you didn't cheat.

[@enolopanr9820]

And all of his fans believing him 🤦‍♂️ there are a lot of evil things in the world but among the worst is spreading lies and misinformation. And it’s not just in KZbin controversies. It’s in every aspect of our goddam lives from elections to the adds we see to stupid conspiracies. Lying and deliberately spreading false information should be more punishable. It is why political parties in the US are so polarized. It’s why the Uighur Muslims in China are being ethnically cleansed by the government. It is probably one of the most pressing issues in the world.

[@SeamlessError]

ikr god damn thats what happens when fame gets to your head you cant come clean

[@MikaTheSwordGuy]

@@SeamlessError maybe it’s due to his stubborn nature. Besides how would you react if you cheated in something like this? And I bet you would say something a little bias to yourself on how you’ll react.

[@MikaTheSwordGuy]

Stubborn nature is probably one of character traits, but the thing is, you can consider the possibility of him not cheating but I’m not saying he didn’t just consider the possibility

[@SeamlessError]

@@MikaTheSwordGuy yea if you can find my other comment that i commented i stated that we need to sit back and imagine our selves in their shoes ik its scary its harder to apologies then blame

[@inderjotsingh1520]

I mean I always follow math and science rather than people telling me to change

[@TheMisterEpic]

Good

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

A men

[@inderjotsingh1520]

@Beakew - true

[@DK-tv6rk]

That's why I'm now non-religious.

[@baggybones]

@@lamihadamshareef5270 And A woman (Jk of course)

[@Phiwipuss]

To be fair, I can't blame his fans for believing him since being a Dream fan pretty much goes hand-in-hand with not having the ability to think critically. It's not an excuse, honestly, it's quite sad, but expecting critical thinking (or any logical thinking, as a matter of fact) from a minor in the 21st century is unrealistic.

[@kinggalactix]

So we should go back to the wild, and develop it. Genius. I'm kidding of course, but they need to be sent to summer camp.

[@heatherrockwell9012]

I’m not sure what magical time period you’re thinking of when children were logical. They’re children.

[@TheAstip]

This controversy lead to my favourite youtube crossover, where Matt Parker (of standupmaths) did a ~40 minute video explaining the maths and probabiloty. Did not expect to see that on my favourite maths channel

[@aspider3254]

I rewatched the entire numberphile channel after seeing him pop up in my recommended

[@a_dreamer8612]

I really don't like how Dream tried to hide this under the rug. It just proves how guilty he looks, he doesn't care about whether or not people think he cheated he cares about his image overall, and sadly for the most part it will stay intact.

[@ShadowRLX]

Ever hear of a thing called "moving on?"

[@a_dreamer8612]

@@ShadowRLX moving on doesn't mean cover up.

[@ShadowRLX]

@@a_dreamer8612 It definitely doesn't, but I feel like he was trying to move on rather than cover it up. I doubt he wanted the drama and stress for him, the mod team, and the communities to continue for a long time. I mean he DID mention in a tweet *"I know people are probably tired of hearing about this,* but I thought it would be transparent to release his response. I don't want to argue any more about whether I cheated or not, *because there's not much I can say. I'm sure most people have formed their opinion at this point."* Not to mention there were some people complaining he was dragging it on (though he was working on the response video.) The drama had already been going on for a month or 2. That's just my opinion though, you can respectfully disagree.

[@Exhalted1]

​@@ShadowRLX You can only move on from something if you *admit* to first, its how you move on. it was getting out of control for dream as all the data sided against him so he decided to sweep it under the rug under the guide of too much drama. To this date, he never admitted he cheated, even though he knows very well he did, he just can't admit it for the sake of his channel as that would have dire consequences.

[@ShadowRLX]

@@Exhalted1 First of all he DID admit it to it back in may 30th or some point like that so I can already tell you did little research. Secondly it wouldn't have "dire consequences" at all regardless. Most people don't give a fuck and just watch the manhunts regardless because they find them entertaining. Especially the fact his audience is 10s of millions of young kids just growing up with Dream's content, as the older generation did with older MCYTers, most of them don't even know the drama happened but probably wouldn't even care as much either. That's the difference between someone like Dream whose audience is mainly young kind compared to someone like James Charles back with the Tati drama where he lost like 2-3 mil subscribers because his audience was mainly older people and they actually involved themselves with that.

[@theriddled214]

Dream stans: *send death threats once a week to innocent’s opinions* Dream: Oh no! Anyway

[@thegodv_]

@Sage correct, he said he supports stan culture

[@JayD30]

@@thegodv_ how

[@thegodv_]

@@JayD30 ? u a dream stan?

[@sarthaksuman3098]

fun fact : There more stan haters than actual stans

[@JayD30]

@@thegodv_ no just askin’

[@drsolo7]

"Maths dont lie, only when an idiot makes a mistake in their working does the result be different to the answer" Straddolade

[@jimjo3522]

Quite hilarious how a month later that he admitted to cheating.

[@_kblanks2229]

Lmao yeah surprised it took him this long

[@juliusvdl2204]

If he wouldve just admitted it and apologised then I and most other people would just forgive him and praise him for taking accountability and being honest. Imo people that absolutely refuse to admit that they are wrong in certain things have a massive ego.

[@orangyanghidup9788]

same thing to dream stans destroying a small youtuber that faked a speedrun and won't forgive him

[@tegarfauzi1265]

Ego man ego

[@darth3911]

Problem is dream is a brand not a person that’s why he can’t admit it also the only prof of cheating is the math which in a court case can’t stand without solid evidence this hurts both sides in dreams case as it drags the drama on and on but still no solid evidence weather dream cheated or not is up for each person to decide themselves it’s also possible dream used a mod for better performance that could of altered the game values but what really happened we will never know as we would need the games file of the days he did the run.

[@darth3911]

@Ludovico Graber Sold yes but solid no

[@aidang4509]

Can’t believe it took so many of us so long to even notice...

[@TriniAjo]

Dreams cocky and douche bag attitude? Nah I noticed that along time ago

[@Howzieky]

@@TriniAjo first time it bothered me was when he did the mr beast manhunt and they roasted George and Techno. Then his behavior when Techno simped for him in MCC. I could make a list from there

[@catva]

@@Howzieky make one

[@ZombieZeus1]

@@Howzieky To me it looked like they were just joking around. Nothing to overreact about.

[@PolkaPower0]

I been bitter at this guy ever since he swayed the mob votes

[@emc246]

I don't care whether Dream cheated or not, his behavior in this entire situation is disgusting and should not be encouraged.

[@thebigmanskeet6969]

He doesn't handle his stans well either. I don't hate him, but I'd be damned if I said I lost my trust in him.

[@jaggerfoxland8103l]

I agree

[@JayD30]

@@thebigmanskeet6969 I didn’t lose my trust in him, rather it made me lose a little respect for him, but I do believe he redeemed himself in the last couple months due to him not causing a lot of controversy. (Note that I mean he didn’t cause any controversy, Twitter sure as hell likes cancelling him)

[@yankam5411]

Happened just 2 weeks ago, I did the same exact thing, but In ROBLOX, like him, I handled the situation badly but when I took responsibility towards my actions, people are willing to forgive me. Why did they hate me? Well, Betraying my entire team and leaking everything to the other team what my team was doing.

[@kapitanzbol5087]

sorry, what happened? Im in the no-drama zone provided by Hermitcraft

[@legitlinus9052]

dream cheats. speedrun website doesnt approve. dream still tries to convince them. its still obvious that he cheated. thats about it

[@kapitanzbol5087]

@@legitlinus9052 I stopped following him way back because of his weird attitude after he broke out. seems I lost nothing

[@legitlinus9052]

@@kapitanzbol5087 yeah same, i dont really care anymore either

[@HeyLookItsBruno]

Hermitcraft's non toxic atmosphere is so good for my mental health and enjoyment for Minecraft and it's community.

[@flurreo]

@@HeyLookItsBruno yeah, hermitcraft is GREAT!

[@davebob8506]

How Dream got away scot-free, I honestly don't know. Was he too big to fail? Does he know how to control his fans that well? In a QnA around a year ago, Dream stated that he entered the KZbin scene prepared. Unlike almost all other KZbinrs who simply got lucky with the algorithm, Dream spent hundreds of hours reading on internet fame, researching the ins and outs of other youtubers and making his own notes. His upload topics were methodical, he knew that he was going to blow up. And it makes me wonder, did he also read up on crowd control? How did this incident not send him crashing down into obscurity? Dream almost certainly knew he'd be caught when he modified the drop chances especially since he knew the modteam hated him. It's obvious that Dream didn't prepare for this. He was obnoxiously rude in his first reactions to both the modteam and the original exposee video; you can clearly see his temper leaking in both those first responses. He then realised how bad that made him look, and reconstructed a much more constructive comment. So did this mean he wasn't planning to be caught? He must have balls of steel to cheat then. But alas hindsight is 20/20 and Dream got away with a net positive. Did he deserve it? No. Did he get it? Sadly, yes. This drama is more of a testament to how gullible and impressionable his audience is, and how they're basically puppets to him. He would not have existed on social media anymore if his audience had their own brain. It's honestly terrifying the amount of power Dream has, and this controversy is but a tiny peephole into just how strong Dream is.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Interesting point, I think even if he did prepare it wouldn't have actually helped

[@erdnussbier4260]

look at the 2020 election and you know the answer

[@ShauryaHallow]

Imo dream should have been banned from speedrunning, this shouldnt have to affect his channel as his channel is not related to speedrunning, but i am still dissapointed that he did not get banned

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

@@ShauryaHallow he was banned

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

While on same topic on video I made a comment explain my feeling on dream fan base And i said If he ever think of to complety destroy another KZbinr He could do it so easily.

[@Ramu-10]

The real conclusion was actually the friends we made along the way

[@smashfanx7560]

Friends are overrated anyways

[@Echyy]

@@smashfanx7560 vouch

[@FaxTheFaxMachine]

None

[@ComradeCorvus]

Welp, he finally "admitted" to cheating. By that I mean he said that he "accidentally" left some mods on when he started the run. Edit: Wow the stans are down here in the comments still defending him, even after all this.

[@Vin-sv9fm]

The cult of personality is strong, especially when it's filled with scientifically ignorant 12-14 year olds.

[@staticwarrior]

this video goes into detail about it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWS8q55jaLiNnNU

[@tornd1435]

Not stans, the link they provided goes a video of Karl Jobst talking about it, one of the channels Epic mentioned in the video.

[@alkrolyd]

Karl's video does go into a lot of detail and it seems more likely now that Dream really didn't know he had modded his drop rates, but nonetheless it was lazy of him not to check and the way he reacted was immature.

[@chiffmonkey]

Imagine thinking no-one would notice you tweaking the odds in a game entirely based on procedural generation mathematics.

[@BlueCyann]

At least by that much. I could see 50 to 75% on the blazes going unnoticed (and in fact it did originally), but 5 to 15% on pearls? A 300% increase? HELLO. The real irony of the whole situation is that if he'd just managed to hold off and not cheat (or not play at all, given how intolerable the 1.16 meta of the time was for him with regards to pearl rates) for two more months, he'd have been around to see the advent of new strategies that almost completely removed pearl luck as a factor toward good runs. Instead, the luck tilted much more heavily toward world generation (and dragon perch, that never goes away), and has more or less remained there even as the WR is now on the verge of breaking the 11 minute barrier.

[@Zorooooooooooooooooooooooooooo]

@@BlueCyann wr is already under 10 min lol

[@tyson_3301]

Imagine looking at dumb odds and biased opinions and trusting them completely without looking at the math or checking both sides thoroughly

[@chiffmonkey]

@@tyson_3301 Yeah you should do that.

[@tyson_3301]

@@chiffmonkey Believe blindly?

[@DraconicA5]

It's honestly sad that I can't no longer enjoy videos from Dream, because of this incident. The fact that he was cheating and now he is exploiting his young naive audience are the proof of how manipulative he is. When you're a famous youtuber, your mistake will stick to your image forever. Maybe Dream will be more mature in the future, maybe he won't, who know. But we know for sure, Dream is so rich now that he can live with his mistake forever no doubt. His stanbase (not fanbase) will defend him forever to keep his ego stand. I don't hate Dream, I just disappointed that I couldn't set that aside and enjoy his videos like before.

[@cammo9104]

Yeah his massive boost of popularity has gone straight to his head. With this fame came a crap ton of stans too. He was also supporting Stan culture and never addressed the issues. That’s why I stopped watching him

[@lamihadamshareef5270]

@@cammo9104 supporting in a creepy way Just wearid me out

[@AjanUnderscore]

same, i tried watching one of his videos but i literally couldn't.

[@mhausage3454]

It just sucks man

[@TheCarrotMan248]

And plus all of his videos are just Manhunt now, there's basically nothing else. But hey, if it's not broken, why fix it.

[@WeloTwelve]

Honestly this whole situation is just wild, you would never think there would be drama in a kids game like Minecraft.

[@boid9761]

Remember when Minecraft is about building dirt houses? Yeah me neither

[@bobbyshmurdashatpolice855]

Yeah but 📸

[@InfamousJRP]

yea

[@radicalonion4979]

Probably cause its hardly even played by kids now

[@Max_Power_]

This always happens in the speedrun community of any game, there are a lot of excellent players that cheats the speedrun.

[@Max_Power_]

It's funny how his stans denying maths and graphs evidence is exactly like Flatearthers denying any math proof.

[@georgesracingcar7701]

Or Anti-vaxxers forgetting that the probability of dying from a vaccine is unspeakably low when compared to the probability of dying from the virus it’s trying to stop

[@madsiesOW]

@Beakew - take your meds.

[@billsabado9393]

Fun fact: Dream admitted that there were add-ons in his seed to get better drops.

[@shady_kactus2727]

FuN FacKT ThiS WaS POstEd A monTh AgO

[@billsabado9393]

@@shady_kactus2727 oH rEaLlY i HaD nO iDeA

[@tornd1435]

That sentence doesn't even make sense.

[@DigginThrough.MyOldMuscles.]

​@@tornd1435 ??

[@tornd1435]

@@DigginThrough.MyOldMuscles. I don't even know

[@justin.campbell]

Thank you! This did a great job of wrapping up the drama into a small video that is easy to understand. I also like that you talked in a very unbiased way. It has been amazing to watch you grow from such a small channel! Thank you for all these videos with high production quality, it is always very entertaining.

[@TheMisterEpic]

:)

[@OutragedOctopus]

The quality of this video is insane.... subbing to you was most certainly not a mistake

[@minecrafting_il]

there is actually a 1 in 7.5 trillion chance that it was a mistake, but hey, everything is possible right?

[@OutragedOctopus]

@@minecrafting_il my comment had literally nothing to do with the actual topic and was instead complimenting the video... I’m baffled as to why you are replying.

[@minecrafting_il]

@@OutragedOctopus I just saw an chance to make a joke so I made one...

[@ghjklkop7868]

''where can I find more viewers like these''

[@OutragedOctopus]

@@minecrafting_il maybe I just don’t get the joke... my bad then I guess

[@gnohms]

I still find "astrostatistics" hilarious. Like math changes in space.

[@spencer6736]

I remember talking to a dream stan on twitter about this. They kept saying that dream didnt cheat and it didnt matter if he did anyway 🤣🤣

[@starwaffle8796]

Eh... Does it really though? I see a lot of people talking about how the speedrunning community would be forever be changed by the drama, but I can't really see that happening. The only consequence of this Drama is Dream having less credibility.

[@spencer6736]

@@starwaffle8796 i think you misunderstand. I was referring to a stan claiming that it didnt matter to them as fans if dream cheated or not, they would still support him no matter what. The stan then proceeded to claim that any bad behaviour from dream is excusable by his mental illness. I definitely could've worded my initial comment better.

[@starwaffle8796]

@@spencer6736 Ah, I see. Well if someone wants to support a celebrity regardless of their actions it's their own choice, albeit a very stupid choice, but a choice nonetheless. As for the mental illness bit, well now that's just ridiculous.

[@spencer6736]

@@starwaffle8796 ahh yes definitely. I tried to explain to the stan but it was to no avail. Hope they soon learn that hero worship is unhealthy.

[@starwaffle8796]

@@spencer6736 A lot of Dream Stans are kids, so they'll probably outgrow it :)

[@starsilverinfinity]

It reminds me of something I saw on. . .well MatPats channel (one of them) Controversy is a good way of getting famous And if you can ride the wave you can profit off of it Really makes you wonder

[@Drjones_]

I mean he would know. That’s what he did with the drama.

[@omnitroph1501]

@@Drjones_ Although Matpat's attempt to profit from the controversy was so blatantly scummy that it may have backfired on him.

[@TheCarrotMan248]

@@omnitroph1501 And there are still people in MatPat's comment section defending what he did.

[@y_ayuma9289]

@@TheCarrotMan248 huh never heard of this, what happened?

[@TheCarrotMan248]

@@y_ayuma9289 MatPat made a video about the situation where in the title, it says "Did Dream cheat? A final analysis." or something close to that, but during the entirety of the video MatPat is so vague and safe about what he says as to not offend Dream or Dream stans and dodges the question in the title. Perhaps it'd be easier to understand what I mean if you watch his video, but yeah, that's why some people are upset about that.

[@jumpierbook4161]

I can't believe Dream has finally reveal who he is

[@ssk2319]

Who is he?

[@TeloRambak]

@@ssk2319 according to this video, a cheater

[@AcolyteOfLucifer]

@@TeloRambak more than that, given how he responded. He showed his true colors....... if his fanbase wasn't mostly children I wouldn't care but he's setting a garbage example......

[@ssk2319]

.

[@ssk2319]

I meant who dream really was cuz this guy said he made a face reveal so i just searched and it saw a vid saying he js danny Gonzalez or sum like that

[@cobyhalverson7832]

He just today admitted he cheated. He claims to have done it accidentally, but the circumstances are a little suspicious

[@BigT.Larrity]

They're not a little suspicious, they're blatantly bullshit Dude is high off his ass if he thinks anyone but his rabid stans will believe that weak excuse

[@cobyhalverson7832]

@@BigT.Larrity i used less accusatory language because I don’t want his stans to harass me in the replies to this. I agree with you.

[@zwlw]

I'm a fan of dream but I think he should apologize for cheating instead of just deleting is response and never saying anything about it again :(

[@darth3911]

Well there’s still no evidence of dream cheating besides the math it’s possible dream cheated or got lucky or had some mod on like optifine which changes the values of the game to make it run better but at the end of the day we have to remember dream is more of a brand then a person and this issue will go on and on as long as people have a side to pick sense there’s no strong evidence letting it slide out of the public’s eyes was the best option for dream in this case weather he cheated or not

[@lolzold4]

@@darth3911 You don't get it. Math is more than enough evidence to convict Dream of cheathing. He cheated, but if he admitted it, his diehard followers that believe him woild feel betrayed. He would lose more by admitting it so he just doesn't. It changes nothing though.

[@darth3911]

@@lolzold4Dude math alone is definitely not enough to convict Dream of cheating if you tried to use math to convict a athlete or any popular figure in the real world of cheating it would not work the police lost many cases with your way of thinking

[@ichbinkommi]

@@darth3911 the difference is that the numbers in rl records are only skill related and by that they aren't capped at all and technically everything is possible, so if everything is theoretically possible high numbers are no evidence but stuff like doping tests are. In minecraft the numbers talked about are rng so them not lining up is evidence. Irl isnt capped and just influenced by skill, in minecraft the numbers are kinda capped and rng

[@darth3911]

@@ichbinkommi It’s still not evidence because as you said it’s partly rng basically meaning random luck with that said there is still some skill involved the only big controversial thing is the piglin rng dream had

[@Chris-55]

Damn I lost so much respect with MrBeast supporting Dream, even more when Dream could be manipulating and lying to such a good soul like Jimmy, I still can't hate on the guy though, the amount of people he's helped can't be broken just by a Drama of a speedrun cheat

[@dr.mexico9265]

I think that the worst part is that Dream, with his popularity, had the ability to make something out of this. He could have made a speedrun category called something like "Perfect Luck". Using a public mod where the run was based on skill instead of RNG. There WAS potential for something great, but he decided to publish a cheated run.

[@BlueCyann]

It's all kind of happened anyway. There are tournaments that use datapacks to bind RNG luck to the world seed, so that both competing runners get the same exact drops. There's a tournament that uses a mod to guarantee certain drops within a certain number of opportunities for them. The meta of the base game itself has become wildly less dependent on pearl barter RNG since bastion strats became widespread in December or so. There's even an entire separate category right now, called FSG, that boils the essence of playing a "random" seed down to as close to its bare minimum of pure skill as it'll probably ever get -- after finally being "discovered" by a few top-level runners in the past month, the WR is down to 7:16. He could have been happy playing any of these.

[@cyberseai9305]

My opinion is that I dont hate him if he cheated or not I hate him because of how stupid he reply on the arguments like he just doesnt think of what his saying and his just manipulating his stans to protect him smh :(

[@Atlas_System01]

@@cyberseai9305 as a member of an SMP that is run by a person who isn’t as evil or manipulative as dream would say this is pants.

[@cyberseai9305]

@@Atlas_System01 uhh what?😂

[@jonathanrynjah]

Can't wait for the video bout 'What happened to the KZbinr Dream' in 2-3years time.

[@cyberseai9305]

Yeah his stans will destroy his channel

[@Electy]

Ay pog

[@wiloss2680]

first

[@TheMisterEpic]

Pog indeed

[@geethajanet726]

Pog

[@ahmadsalman9474]

Pog

[@oliverjudge9614]

Bonjour electy

[@tgrcode]

I actually retweeted that original Micravenger tweet, I never imagined it would get as big as it did. I believe Willz (who is now an editor of Dream) actually jokingly replied to the same tweet. Of course, that tweet was kinda a meme until it wasn't

[@commanderglitch1013]

Yes can't wait for the dream Stan's hate on this video

[@hansokugais]

Im a dream fan . But idk what you mean by hating this vid...

[@SwizzleDrizzl]

@@hansokugais Yeah im a dream fan too, idk either!

[@Cheese_Mans]

Keyword STAN, not fan, people who call themselves dream STANs are the ones Commander glitch 101 is referring to, you guys are cool.

[@Dude-mu5xc]

@@Cheese_Mans yeah this is why I think it was wrong to make people think Stan means super fan it confuses everyone when you say Stan

[@hansokugais]

@@Cheese_Mans what does stans stand for? Super fan or what? Im curios ::

[@xMrjamjam]

Never heard of him but I'm glad another speedrun cheater was found and exposed for what they are

[@saldan3985]

The only clean good thing that came out of this drama is that Lemmino's Music got more attention.

[@2huUuuUUUU]

Hopefully this goes better than the last dream video

[@TheMisterEpic]

Hahahaha hopefully

[@expertcactus3976]

@MX 3beds will explode in the Netherlands and they wanted to explode it so that it will damage and kill dream

[@expertcactus3976]

@MX 3 it's fine if u think it was scripted

[@expertcactus3976]

@MX 3 and can you tell me what manhunt that is

[@samibchiri1442]

@@expertcactus3976 Why do you want everyone in my country to die in our sleep? :(

[@ЯрославКовальчук-и9ь]

The irony is that only in about a month the meta would shift to bastions making odds manipulation almost obsolete

[@Dolphin002]

Fun fact: The people who said that it wasn't a big deal that Dream cheated were the same people who literally sent death threats to Drem for faking his speedrun

[@Habzo421]

The Stan s

[@nekurokundesu]

The stans Ofc the antis aswell

[@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043]

Lol so you litterally just assumed that i a person who thinks cheating in a game is not really that bad is a hipocrite just because we'll yeah Like you litterally just assumed that lol

[@theearthburner6159]

@@marmolejomartinezjoseemili9043 I don't make fun of bad English but I genuinely don't understand what the hell you wrote there.

[@nekurokundesu]

@@theearthburner6159 same

[@justinvallange]

I know the point of this video was to step out from the math side but the reason I was finally convinced was that Matt Parker (Stand up Maths on youtube) did a video on the topic and he's an incredibly well respected mathematician in the STEM community, unrelated to minecraft

[@TheAstip]

My favourite youtube crossover. I also found his expination on how low the chances were really interesting

[@ohno-wi1vb]

Yes that video was great. Unbiased & uses a lot of examples and comparisons of the odds

[@shadowstrike234]

My man literally hired a Harvard astrophysicist first before checking his mod folder.

[@PrestonFlanders]

After Standup Maths, a mathematician stood up and talked about it, analyzing everything, I am so convinced that he must have done something to his version of Minecraft. Like, how the heck could he get chances so slim in the magnitude of 1 in a fifth of a sextillion? It's just absurd. I loved dream a lot, and this has disappointed me so much that I stopped watching his videos for a while.

[@greenstonegecko]

Dude that tweet from MrBeast "Dream right, other guy wrong" Omfg... I'm not hating but he should know better! That was a dumb tweet!

[@daniilfilms]

He passed how to give a lot of money class but doesn’t know crap

[@TheCarrotMan248]

That's what a lot of KZbinrs are doing with Dream. They love to suck him off and blatantly defend him because his fanbase will go after them if they don't.

[@asbdhusahdhauhudas]

Yeah I'm sad so many KZbinrs I like just blindly support dream because they don't have a choice literally EVERYONE will go after them

[@muffinman3052]

I love that videos like this are still being made. Never let Dream forget that he got caught red handed, and never let the community as a whole forget that no matter how large your influence is, you will be called out for cheating.

[@maxsorchard]

Dream did not cheat, cus I am a dumb seven year old who doesn't understand basic maths so has no clue how unlikely 1 in 7 trillion is and some big smart guy like mr beast tweeted that he didn't

[@Lefty7788tinkatolli]

I used to think Dream was incredible and funny and loved that he got big. That is until he manipulated his audience to vote the Glow Squid by tweeting he would follow anyone who proved they voted the Glow Squid. Where the Glow Squid and Iceologer were neck-and-neck originally, his manipulative tweets resulted in the vote swinging in favor of the Glow Squid and it ultimately won. I lost all respect for Dream after that. He manipulated his younger audience to get what he wanted, spitting directly in the face of a community vote. When this controversy came around and everyone was shitting themselves over how Dream could do such a thing, I just thought "ah, yup, now others realize how Dream really is".

[@aro4cinglife]

dream: don't worry, no one will notice 3 months later:I shouldn't've done that

[@pinkfluffyant6335]

Dream never did state what the PhD was in. Not all doctors work in medical and not all PhD's are for maths.

[@cammo9104]

“He has a PHD in geology” -Dream , probably

[@Atlas_System01]

@@cammo9104 “he has a PHD in squids and as such I am sure that he will defend my great speed run. After all the fake news media is making claims that I cheated. This run is such a bigly huge achievement and I WILL NOT LET THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA RUIN MY GREATNESS”-Dreamold trump

[@cammo9104]

@@Atlas_System01 Wow your harvard professor is way more qualified than mine will ever be

[@Dolphin002]

10:35 "Now," Ad: "My name's Bobby Flay and we're going to make burgers with Hidden Valley Ranch"

[@regotub]

"Guys Stop Accusing Him , It's Just His Gaming Chair"

[@MkwiiBen]

This is insanely well done. Having another perspective to this event is definitely helpful and also this being a sort of time line of sorts

[@TheMisterEpic]

Thank you!

[@MkwiiBen]

@@TheMisterEpic np

[@sssquirrelyalt]

One big red flag that I have when someone is aguing is them constantly bashing the other side, rather than defending themselves.

[@prismarinestars7471]

You missed the most interesting part of the story: A few months later, Dream admitted in a tweet that his game was modded to increase drop rates, but claimed that it was an “accident”.

[@jaggerfoxland8103l]

No matter how much evidence you will give to dream stans only small percentage will switch sides and the other will keep saying one line in a Different form The sentence is: Dream did not cheat

[@cyberseai9305]

My opinion is that I dont hate him if he cheated or not I hate him because of how stupid he reply on the arguments like he just doesnt think of what his saying and his just manipulating his stans to protect him smh :(

[@vu9084]

LMFAO you can't just say "I hired an expert and hes from Harvard lol" and not name the professor.....

[@응가바보-j7k]

Well, the sources he used(essay writers) didn't actually provide him the name of the writer - even the person hiring the writer doesn't get the name. Putting the legitimacy of the sources aside, It's a bit unfair to use that bit as evidence to say Dream is lying - Because it's also out of his control.

[@ShadowRLX]

While naming the professor would've made it more believable, you have to take some things into account: 1. The site which Dream got the professor from states their people are to be anonymous so if Dream is being genuine he probably doesn't even know the professor's name himself. 2. Would you really wanna be known as a harvard graduate evaluating a controversial Minecraft speedrun? 3. He would probably get tons of hate.

[@vu9084]

IMO having a credible source is the most valuable material in a document that is supposed to provide conclusive evidence

[@응가바보-j7k]

@@vu9084 Mate. Dream physically can't get the name of the professor.

[@vu9084]

@@응가바보-j7k what a credible source this Harvard professor must be

[@mr.abadger3884]

They should hire you in the future when they make a documentary series about the Internet.

[@cyberseai9305]

My opinion is that I dont hate him if he cheated or not I hate him because of how stupid he reply on the arguments like he just doesnt think of what his saying and his just manipulating his stans to protect him smh :(

[@gingerbread-gaming3085]

*Never thought a blocky game would lead to such extreme maths.*

[@VanguardJester]

E = MineCraft squared

[@Sosuke_Aizen2.o]

(Mind)craft

[@jpzr6222]

The way that Dream responded in his video was some intense gaslight shit

[@kedzs1038]

The probability of you not getting an flint at 15:09 to 16:09 must be more than 7,5 trillion.

[@TheMisterEpic]

Ahahaha

[@oskar5130]

MisterEpic, the reason Fabric API is no longer allowed today is that it can be used to hide other mods in your mods folder. This means that the most likely scenario is that Dream used it to hide a mod that manipulated his luck.

[@coagulatedsalts4711]

dream’s career started in controversy with him exposing pewdiepie’s seed before pewdiepie wanted to reveal it. :/

[@AcolyteOfLucifer]

He definitely had drama brewing long before this, and because of that I only see this getting worse.

[@shritan0]

PewDiePie himself said he was fine with it and that nothing happened so far, people just got offended on behalf of PewDiePie.

[@elijahjoseph3980]

Ironic how he criticizes geosquare for being a clout chaser but became popular in the first place because of clout chasing off of pewdiepie

[@shritan0]

@@elijahjoseph3980 Honestly Dream might have been right about that it’s pretty obvious that Geosquare has a bias against Dream from his accusations about being racist which is way worse than cheating on a speedrun.

[@elijahjoseph3980]

@@shritan0 Wait, that was geosquare who did that?

[@NA-nz9lv]

the real reason why Dream got in such a massive controversy is not the act of cheating itself but how childish he was in his response, he attacked moderators that were just doing their job, made stupid and fake excuses just to later admit that he cheated "by mistake" (which is clearly not true, let's be real, if you use a mod for your videos and get accused of cheating, the first thing you think is that you might have forgotten those mods in your folder, you don't randomly remember about it when you are sure you can't get away with your false excuses) and only later apologized, after the damage was done.

[@Danel553]

The biggest problem is he used his toxic fan base to make sure he was exempt from all criticism.

[@raytumb]

I just wanted to point out my thoughts here. It's either: 1. Dream's wrong and being manipulative af 2. Dream's innocent and being honest (he might not realize that he was actually playing the modified version of the game) My suggestion: A real research paper about this topic from a real credible, objective, and responsible person/team. With names included of course.

[@bushquotient]

no

[@raytumb]

@@bushquotient yesn't

[@davidefinzi8145]

How would he not know

[@danielgates7559]

Guess Mathematician Matt Parker’s video on the same topic is still not enough then...

[@mathewemad9661]

I stumbled upon dream's channel when it was very small, it had 9k subs at the time. He was creating cursed Minecraft content and I really liked it it, so I decided to subscribe. He then started the series that I think started his career, where he was trying to find the Pewdiepie seed. The seed was then found by him and a couple of other people which grew his channel to 30k subs. He continued doing funny Minecraft stuff. Even a video where he would give 1$ to anyone he sees with his skin in Hypixel. But his channel suddenly blew up, when he started making the "Minecraft unsolved" and his modded series with George, his channel started getting into everyone's recommended section, it grew rapidly from 50k subs to 1 million in only 1 month. He then started his speedrunning series, from this point on, his videos started being low quality, unedited videos. His channel got like 2 million subs a month from this point on, and his content started being more soulless, I lost most of my respect to him when he started cheating Note: most of his old videos are now deleted

[@hayemellema]

What are the odds? I'm procrastinating studying for my math test by watching this video. The test is about binominal distribution :0

[@2ndbrain909]

You tell us, you’re the one studying it lol

[@randomfluffypup9608]

1 in 7.5 trillion odds

[@peacechan4500]

The guy really really singlehandedly kill the legitimacy of speedruning, why? That guy basically prove that you can say screwed the rule if you have a huge audience.

[@macobus6743]

where are you getting that from? he was caught and his run was removed, he didnt prove anything and nothing was deligitimized

[@Tasorius]

Should he go to prison for cheating, or what kind of insane punishment do you expect?

[@macobus6743]

@@Tasorius wat

[@Tasorius]

I was asking what kind of further punishment they were expecting here...

[@fuilli]

I really liked the stand-up maths/matt parker's video about it, it's probably one of the best videos about the math behind this

[@CambieAngel]

That one was my favorite too! I liked the examples of actual improbable game chances to compare to Dream’s run, and seeing how wildly out there his run was statistically!

[@cammo9104]

Yeah and it was unbiased too