Spanish Riding School Haute Ecole (Airs Above The Ground) White Lipizzaner Stallions

[@philippus4590]

Also these horse are trained right and often have careers preforming into their 20’s and sometimes latter. This often isn’t the case with the modern dressage horse. These horse usually live to around 35 years and if they are still preforming they get retired at 25.

[@Augustbeauty69]

I LOVE how well cared for these horses are. All animals should be cared for and treated like royalty, no matter where they come from.

[@bullterror5]

🦄💜🦄

[@arnoudoostveen1011]

Yes, very natural, all happy looking horses

[@katherine9894]

I am in agreement, they are magnificents. Their retirement homes are a tremendous show of respect & the best example of higher humanity. If only all animals were treated so well. Especially racehorses

[@katherine9894]

@@Augustbeauty69 you should see their stalls, phenomenal

[@equine2020]

These are war movements. These were war horses & trained for these jumps & stances. Could save a rider. Now its for beauty. These horses are exceptional. .

[@keikofay9804]

Yep! I had the privilege of going to see them tour in the late 1970s, back when my parents worked for a newspaper and they were regularly "comp'd" tickets to all kinds of events in order to do a write-up. I remember being awed and wowed beyond words. They spoke very plainly about the purpose of these movements. I recall hearing that the school has Andalusians trained in the same style as the touring horses, so as to not risk harm to the recovering bloodline. Then maybe 6-7 years ago, I came across an article about how the Andalusian breed (being similar in many physical traits) was intentionally introduced as a lifeline to diversify the Lipizzan gene pool and bring it back from the brink. Does anyone know if there's weight to either of these stories? Novice horse enthusiast here.

[@joantaylor468]

​@keikofay9804 ...perhaps you'll find another site with which to ask your question. For example someone in the University of Arizona may answer you because they have inherited the famous Al Mariah Arabian Horse ranch from the estate of Bazy Tankersley. (We worked for her nearly 20 years ago and always enjoyed her friendly horses. They were carefully bred to love humans!)

[@susanverhoeven4962]

Back in 1982, a friend and I were in Vienna. We got to go to the arena and watch these moves being practiced. Unforgettable. A precious memory.

[@TheSilverlady1980]

I wanted to see these horses before I die but I won’t get to. My father was one of the soldiers who helped save the Lip stallions who were separated from the lip mares. He helped coal black the stallions so Hitler wounds recognize them. Just dirty black horses. The breed would have been wiped out if Hitler had succeeded in using them for war mounts. My Dad came to Canada he saved 11 of the 12 in his platoon. He would never ask anyone to do anything he would not do himself. He walked in front of their one tank throwing out long heavy chains pulling them back setting off land mines. He led the way. He told his men to walk in the tank’s tracks but sadly one soldier went outside the lines and was blown up. He made sure to collect all he could and tied the basket adding the dog tags to it. The dead soldier remains did get sent home. Dad and his charges dug a trench every night to put tank below horizon eyesight and men huddled under it as bombs were dropped all night. Then daylight again advance with chains and tank through this field. Can you imagine digging hiding a tank every night? These brave men saved us from Hitler’s ambitions. I am glad my dad rests in peace and can’t see what the world rulers and rich are doing now.

[@AntonGudenus]

The Nazis did a looot of absolutely disgusting horrible things, but trying to use the breeding stock of Lippizaner horses as war mounts, was not one of them. In fact the Nazis specifically evacuated/stole nearly all of the breeding stock of Europe to a central stud in Hostau (then Czechoslovakia), precisely to keep them out of harms way and breed basically the "ultimate hores" there. Hitler probably saw the magnificent white stallions as the equine version of his ridiculous idea of the "Übermensch", and had them treated much better than most humans. Who your dad saved these magnificent horses from in "Operation Cowboy", was actually the advancing Soviet army, who probably would simply have slaughtered them for horse meat, as they didn't care much for horses or horse breeding, and were at that time a little short for food. That being said; the greatest thanks to your dad (and in fact every American/Canadian), for helping my home country get free from the Nazis again and for saving our beautiful Lippizaner horses.

[@lottiestanley7696]

Bless your father. 🙏❤️🙏 🫡 Much thanks are owed to him, and men like him…

[@ben-c5t]

Paulanergardenstory my friend, Hitler was veggie, he did not eat horse meat. But Did your daddys plattoon also saved the Wristwatch and the food rations of my Grandfather?

[@charlesjue4962]

What are the world rulers and rich doing now that you would not want your dad to see?

[@breebrat56]

I’m a daughter, granddaughter, & great, great, great granddaughter of USA military veterans. Thank you to your dad for his sacrifice. ❤🙏🫡

[@pradeepprahlad9465]

Mary Stewart, the writer, immortalized this kind of horse's dance in her 1965 book , "Airs Above The Ground" . Since I read it I've always wanted to see a horse performing this manoeuvre.

[@jeannewoods3940]

I have read the book and I also saw the horses in Sedalis Missouri

[@mamamiabenjamia]

i've heard the airs above ground was a move intended for war where the horse kicks clear any opposing soldier behind or in front of it.

[@grenade8572]

It's true. 😊 The bridles too were greated because of war: with 2 bites and 4 reins, you can have a good controle of the horse using one hand (the other one carrying the sword).

[@bladeofbattousai]

I never get tired of watching these horses perform.

[@Augustbeauty69]

Any time I've seen something sad or horrific about horses, I have to watch something about these guys to renew my faith in everything.

[@elizabethroberts6215]

…… as a horse rider all my life, to see these magnificent horses’ was a dream wish. I eventually got to Vienna, & saw a performance. Absolutely mesmerising! To see such beautiful equines’ was wonderful!

[@littlerascaleventing]

The cream of the crop, essentially. I love how, in the piaffe before the levade or other moves, you see the rippling contained power they have. The way piaffe was meant to be. Thank you for posting these videos.

[@silvercreekcrossing]

I got to see these in person as a child. They are far more than circus preformers these are the true symbol of freedom . They saved the world

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

@@a7ayamrwhite798get over yourself. Not every comment section needs to be your lectern.

[@lesliearblaster2711]

I have had 2 desires in my life. To see and hear Handel's Messiah performed in person and to see these beautiful Lipizzaners perform in person, before I die . I've seen Messiah and it was wonderful. I'm afraid I'll never get to see these horses, so I thank you for having them on here........they are truly living history and a pure joy to watch.

[@TessJordan-lp5sc]

@@a7ayamrwhite798 I don't know about "saving the world", but these kinds of horses were very valuable in the military. These movements were actually about being able to move through a tightly packed close battle, to kick people away from them either from behind or in front, and to be able to spin in close quarters to change direction and move away quickly, or trot in place to stomp someone to death. They were elite battle assets. Today it is just beautiful to see a performance, and it's nice to see a tool of war become a work of art.

[@TessJordan-lp5sc]

@@clevelandplonsey7480 You don't need to be abusive, either.

[@a7ayamrwhite798]

that was informative, thank you.@@TessJordan-lp5sc

[@rowan5335]

These are all battle moves designed to fight with their owner and protect him in battle and when they were no longer feasible they of course could not give up such beautiful well-trained horses

[@katherine9894]

Lipizzan Stallions were the first fascination and awe inspiring dream of my life, a huge and magic dream to fill the mind of a 5 year old.

[@katherine9894]

I just learned that the Lipizzan Stallions, a WORLD TREASURE!, With out a DOUBT, were moved instead of Jewish people headed for gas/death We would have lost the Stallions of Lipizza if not for Patton, but not to move humans as well...? My left brain/right brain have been separated by heavy application of torque.

[@katherine9894]

Animals are so much easier to love and respect

[@Josiebydarn]

I just bought my first horse, and of course, a Lipizaan!

[@paulkenneally789]

Read “ Brother Mendel’s perfect horse “… about Lippizaners.

[@ellavanderhart6747]

Those riders seats though 😵‍💫 I’d be gone in seconds.

[@EulerPaula]

Wonderful art. This horse school is amazing.

[@Whoanly9]

Stunning, magnificent, absolutely gorgeous and powerful beauties!!

[@pereraorland5196]

These stallions are so so so brilliant and awesome. There is nothing better than watching this.

[@TravisTerrell]

Jump to about 2:20 to see the riders doing tricks _on_ the horses. Also, sideways jump at 2:30 pretty cool.

[@jeannewoods3940]

I love these horses. I once saw them in an arena. Magical

[@blackyy7503]

I remember when i was 11 and i cried because i thought dressage and bits overall is a horse abuse...now me,dressage lover who wants to also be a dressage rider be like

[@sauce10196]

Same XDDD

[@HeadsetHistorian]

This is the exact sound track that should be used everyday. Absolutely max volume, world shattering. BWOMMMMPPPPPPPP

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

What horses work out to

[@NicBrookeIsHere]

Absolutely breathtaking! I could watch this all day long. So beautiful.

[@Linda-dd3wj]

Truly Spectacular Horse's - STUNNING.....!!!!! 👍

[@silvercreekcrossing]

My father would take me all around to see horses of all colors and all breeds I even went to Kentucky and saw the colts be born

[@clevelandplonsey7480]

Have you been to Chincoteague? 😃

[@BrendaLaffoon]

I think when these horses perform “Airs Above the Ground” the riders are not using stirrups and that is very difficult.

[@semj5657]

These horses are not only beautiful to look at they are awesome and so unforgettable. To have the strength and calm to do what they do is beyond words.

[@sheilaregister4128]

Why did foam drip from this beautiful horse's mouth before he went into his jump??

[@konradc.9007]

training the horse to do the jumping kick is one of the most difficult things to teach to a horse.

[@Cottagecorgis]

May I ask why when the horse leaps and kicks out that the handler whips them in the hindend. It appears to be more than just a tap. It looks a bit aggressive. Not trying to be mean or critical. I was just curious. Thank you

[@steelseed]

despite the current criticism to the Wien `s riding School, seeing any of the 4 schools executing dressage, long reigns, airs above the ground, etc. is absolutely wonderful. Even more, and regarding the other videos in the channel about piaffe, collection, etc, the performance of the 4 schools should (and must) the way to follow in dressage competition. However, this is not benefitial to center-european breeds...they do not like to see, lipizan, lusitano and spanish horses on top of them. Thanks for the video, and as a suggestion, it would be nice to see comparative videos of the same exercise executed by competition horses and horses by Wien`s Spanish scool, Portuguese Scholl and Jerez Equestrian Art School

[@originalhanaboo]

That is a lot to say but it’s all true and they beautiful but some of these things they get them to do,they get them to do it in an abusive way

[@SandraOrtmann1976]

The problem is that if you train horses properly, the refinement of all of these movements come rather late in a horse's life. And to the untrained eye, they are less flashy. You really have to be a connoisseur to know how much experience and training is required not only for the horses, but also for the riders. This is basically hardcore battle training. And the stallions are not for everyone (Lipizzaners are regarded as sometimes...difficult. If you do not know how to handle them.). You do not want this for mass-compatible horse breeds such as the German Warmblood. Marketable at an early age, trained, not properly built-up flashy movements. Early development of a circus piaffe and passage (mockieries of what it should really be). And an equally early retirement at the age of around 15 years old on average.

[@wandastrickler6149]

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[@elizabethroberts6215]

……try ‘reins’……

[@cardinalfox0734]

They do not have abusive techniques... ​@@originalhanaboo

[@yukiiasakii9758]

Horses that live like royalty perform like royalty!

[@shellychave2020]

Best experience of my life and travelled from Australia to see the beautiful Stallions in Venice and then to travel up in to the mountains to see them running free on the open mountains was nothing but amazing . General Patton , his devotion to saving these horses from Hitler was nothing but a miracle 🙏🏻

[@krempel_und_klumpad]

i highly doubt that you saw the lipizzaner in venice...

[@Embernie101]

My grandma once gave me a very old book on the Lipizzaner's and telling the story behind them. I was always fascinated with horses as a young child. and she set that focus onto the horses she saw when she visited overseas as a girl. Growing up i always wanted to see them live.I hope some day i do

[@WhiskeyLaroo]

Hi hello, i see that at least few people here know much more about horse traning than I do and watching that im curious to ask, Are those stunts not troublesome for the horses? They look quite difficult. Also always when i see this long stick thingy it makes me concerned (especially that in the kick moment it looked like he was smacking the horse) so can someone explain me how this thing really works? Cause i honestly wonder if this kind of traning is ok with the horse

[@serenity1355]

Have you never heard of a whip? It’s normal

[@SplendidStylo]

The “stick thingy” is a whip, or a crop. It’s not a ‘smack and cause pain’ instrument. It allows the horse to know what moves it needs to execute depending on the cues the rider or handler gives, usually by tapping the horse on the neck, flank, or anywhere else. It serves the same purpose as stirrups from a ground perspective. Also, the tricks the horses are preforming are not too difficult for a horse to naturally pull off. The “kick” movement (called the Goat Leap) is a distinctive movement that is probably the hardest to learn for a horse, but it is not painful. Most Lipzanner horses are incredibly strong animals and are incredibly spoiled at the facilities they are bred at, so to speak. If the Lipzanner routines were causing extreme pain to these horses, they would not still being doing them today. Hope this helps!

[@sylverscribs0490]

i would also like to mention that it does seem a difficult for the horse just a bit, but they’re trained and exercised and kept in top physical health in order to be able to perform these moves over and over. think of them like huskies and malamutes pulling sleds; the work is difficult, but it keeps the animal’s mind and body calm, stimulated and strong, since this is what they’re bred for. it’s why i train and play with my cats. they’re indoor cats, and so they need extra physical and mental stimulation. one of them, when he’s bored, attacks the other two, so i taught him to do agility and treat puzzles. when he’s well and fully exercised, he is calm and happy.

[@gigicostlow4414]

The whip is used as a cue. They are not hurt with it. The Haute Ecole you see in this video takes years to achieve. They don't start riding them until they are 4 or 5 years old. They are taught step by step. When one step is accomplished they move onto the next. It takes years to build up to doing haute ecole. Many are at least 10 before they even start this part of their training. Only a select few are chosen to do airs above ground. It's much like a human athlete learning a little at a time and building up their bodies to be great at their sport.

[@equine2020]

Not stunts. These were movements used in war. These once were war horses. Not 5he same horses, of course. Thus is their linage. The movements are natural to them. No abuse given. Amy true horse person never abuses their horse, it always comes 1st. We'd rather be hurt than our horse. Only fools abuse any animal.

[@pattymcnamara3090]

I saw these horses as a teenager! I love horses and their performance was breathtaking.!

[@deepblue153]

I wonder if the horses know how amazing they are

[@Silversmoke1000]

I have a feeling that they do.

[@nyteshayde1197]

They're well loved and spoiled rotten, they no how amazing they are.

[@equine2020]

I think they know. My hunter knows when he's done a good job. He shows off a little. Gads I love him.

[@deborahgoslin5858]

These horses still take my breath away !

[@equine2020]

I've seen these beauties twice. One time going behind the arena, got to talk with the riders. Petted the horses.

[@conniehawkins9459]

Absolutely gorgeous, stunning expertise!

[@breebrat56]

I’m feeling so many emotions seeing these horses performing in the historic hall of their ancestors that survived the most horrific WW2. I have grown up watching the movie about the Lipizzaners & be raised with the stories of my dad & every generation in my family all the way back to the civil war…. Stories of how they sacrificed everything to pay for my freedom .respect. Immense gratitude. Grief. Bittersweet joy. Ache for the families that lost their loved ones. A passion to share these stories to anyone interested. Disbelief towards the ppl that disrespect the dead from these wars by saying it never happened…… I’m NOT one of the ungrateful generations & I’ll NEVER be one of them.

[@kennethwu115]

Seen this in Vienna. Amazing

[@johannarocho3040]

How beautiful!

[@miguelduenas8891]

UN LIPIZZANER ES...... LO HERMOSO DE HABER NACIDO NEGRO Y VOLVERSE.... BLANCO !!!!

[@Promises101]

In memoirs of a story teller vet Willima wright thank you

[@greveneretrasshlgreven2505]

I really dont understand..why the hell doesnt these amazing horses compete in GP level against the warmbloods??

[@Got2Bespoke]

There definitely are other Iberian breeds, namely the PRE and Lusitano, that are competing at the FEI GP level. You see them at the Olympics as well, but they are few and far between unfortunately. When you do see them, they are _usually_ being ridden by someone from Spain or Portugal (the reasons for this are many, but I don’t want to ‘get into the weeds’ here). And to be frank, those Iberians perform the advanced movements (which are often scored with more emphasis, are they not?) the correct way, collected with true impulsion and I am usually frustrated that many of the biggest names are scored higher there despite failing to execute, for example, the piaffe in the way it is meant to be exhibited (even by FEI scoring standards). As is far too common in the case of the piaffe, horses marching with all 4 legs or a marching in the front and exhibiting an incorrect bouncy lightness in their hind because they're not collected and sitting from behind. With the correct development of a horse’s musculature along with careful training both on the ground and in the saddle, these horses should be able to perform these advanced collected movements as well as the Iberian breeds do. The fact that they aren’t says quite a lot imho.

[@peregrination3643]

I haven't been to Austria. But my mom's family are Austrian and she has visited them (family and Lipizzaners). I always think about Austria when I think about where I would go if I got the chance to go to another continent. Seen the ones that tour North America, but I hear those aren't trained as properly as the ones in Vienna.

[@mjsmith-jones7607]

Magnificent and beautiful

[@ahorsenamedcelty9505]

My opinionated mare decided to do the capriole when I asked for the trot in our last lesson 🙄

[@vickirausch2407]

Yeah, been there. I only asked for a left turn.

[@catebannan7343]

😅😂😅 whoops!

[@amandaallen1898]

Pure poetry in motion

[@lesliearblaster2711]

MAGNIFICENT!❤

[@TheBerta67]

So amazing I love the horse ❤❤

[@sarahwagland1559]

Leaves me with mixed feelings. Can't help but feel it's a display of man's ability to control everything. Sure it's impressive but is it extreme, the other end of the spectrum with zero control at the other?

[@boymama1623]

Read The Perfect Horse by Elizabeth Letts

[@TommyeKelly]

I can’t believe those saddles don’t have stirrups this is so impressive

[@anaibarangan4908]

That's a gorgeous stallion. Larger than what usually see elsewhere, but it's also an Austrian genetically selected method of horsemanship.

[@DaLi_vlogss]

#equestriantictok ❤ I love it❤

[@laurag7295]

Just glorious!😊

[@audreymaqks]

I never realized how far back the man behind the stallion swings the whip. No wonder the horse kicks up and back. Also concerned about the long lead being pulled from the ground to cause the stallion to rear. Poor horse does not have much choice but to rear

[@cindyrissal3628]

The movement's are natural...what horses, esp. young ones...do out in the pasture. The whip & long line are just giving cues...

[@cardinalfox0734]

If you knew anything about dressage, you could tell that these horses aren't abused. They start training at 4 or 5, and it takes years for them to learn the harder movements. The horse always has a choice not to do a move, a lead pulled from behind is nothing compared to a horses strength. Plus he isn't hurting the horse with the whip, he is tapping the horse to let it know what to do

[@ffotograffydd]

A stallion isn’t going to do anything he doesn’t want to do. They aren’t being whipped.

[@herzblut379]

Echt jetzt? X-Hilfzügel, Ausbinder? Wollt ihr der Qualdressur Konkurrenz machen?

[@kirstenschronce7017]

Beautiful ❤

[@trill4907]

Only special horses can do this ..I saw on a video a thoroughbred trained to do it

[@loredelore7286]

State owned, no sponsorship deal, no nouveau riche ownes, no whooping and clapping to cringe freestyle music, properly disciplined trained riders, no one claiming artist license, no judges, no politics, no selling young stock outside the hall, no vacousness, no vanity...

[@AriannaAyers]

Excuse me, why did the sound editor choose suspenseful movie music? 🎵🍿🎥 It could’ve been so much more successful with a different soundtrack.😢

[@patriciamaudhawkins3144]

Wonderful

[@tonics7121]

Wow, just wow.

[@silvercreekcrossing]

My father taught me the history of the school

[@guppysworld3828]

It’s cool untill you see the horses have Spanish nosebands

[@Cismynickname]

This seems abusing, the harsh whipping 0:23, the pulling on the mouth 0:30. Those horses are in pain.

[@titanbuck7]

These ppl need to let the side reins out at least one hole. They have lost the reason they have the side reins.😢 When they get too tight, it gets in the way of the horse using itself properly. 😢 sad.

[@Promises101]

In memory of my grandmother

[@llothos]

I'd be terrified if the horse I rode did that 🤣 3:05 and 3:32

[@pedrocodinacaceres7293]

Estos son caballos Pura Raza Española

[@NishetWorman]

TIERQUÄLEREI !!!!

[@creativecustomsbynat555]

You guys know nothing about this breed. It is not abuse, it is not cruel, they are not war moves but ancient dressage. The horses are not painfully forced.

[@pamelah848]

www.happy-horse-training.com/dressage-training.html The origins of dressage are clearly in the training of horses for war. That fact has nothing to do with whether the training is cruel or not, BUT it is not cruel. In large part it is to physically develop the horse to preserve it's well-being just as any athlete must be well-conditioned to avoid injury and to increase stamina.

[@johnfaragher3959]

@@pamelah848 here,here

[@barbaraendicott3666]

@@pamelah848 amen & thank you too Omg these horses are just breath taking

[@Sounded3678fn]

What breed is that

[@Sounded3678fn]

Nvm

[@zsozso411]

Proud Hungarian horse

[@KimMannella-ju2rr]

I have admiration for the beauty, but not keen on the whipping of the hind legs. The training behind the beauty is too intense for me, bordering on cruel and I am thinking the worst of it didn’t make it to camera. I have too much respect for horses.

[@felicitytoad]

🤸

[@mattwiggin9458]

The cruelty inflicted on these horses to so called train them is unbelievable

[@jerritrahan7791]

Seems no one is noticing the whips being used or the jerking on the reins. Which means these horses are being abused during their lives as they are being trained. What these horses are made to do is not natural. But hey as long as the abuse makes money, gains prestige and entertains humans, what's a little or a lot of abuse, right, no big deal.

[@OaksArm]

Why the cheesy music? Must I watch every KZbin video on mute?

[@janicemoore30]

Seriously. There MUST be some beautiful or delightfully stirring public domain classical music available to use...

[@natalya402]

Maybe Ive been listening to Philippe Karl too much, but side reins are the stupidest thing ever for dressage. Its just a way to lock the head in frame with absolutely no concern for the horses ability to balance. It causes horses to duck behind the contact because it is impossible to have "light hands" in sidereins. Either that or you have to make it so tight they cant move at all like in this video. When a horse is properly collected his neck lifts and his nose curls onto or slightly in front of the vertical naturally, his throatlatch opens and his poll is the highest point. Sidereins force a frame and suppress the horse's ability to express discomfort and muscle fatigue. Classical dressage is amazing and this is a million light years better than modern competitive dressage, but that doesnt mean its perfect or without issue. Real collection is beautiful without having to force a horse onto the vertical (or behind!) just to achieve an idealised image of what a horse is supposed to look like

[@ben-c5t]

Mein Gott, diese Mucke, da müssen die ja scheuen.

[@I_Love_Lord]

animal cruelity

[@pattimiller9157]

💗🙏

[@Bryan-qf5wm]

Never piss of onyx

[@richardharrold4357]

White horse. The only one.

[@user-sp8eb6iz7f]

"At birth they are black, they are died white", "With enough voltage, you can get a horse to deal cards"... Crimson Tide.

[@cindyrissal3628]

What does that mean??

[@user-sp8eb6iz7f]

@@cindyrissal3628 Watch that movie!! "Crimson Tide"... w Denzel Washington and Gene Hackman and James Gandolfini and Vigo Mortenson.

[@carriecollonge233]

They are not dyed -- their color gradually lightens with time.

[@marysueeasteregg]

Almost all "white" horses are born dark(er) colors, they turn white with time, due to a dominant gene. Such horses are properly called gray/grey. This is the case with the Lipizzaners. A few of the breed lack the dominant gray gene, and remain a dark color, usually bay. True white horses (those born white) are rare.

[@user-sp8eb6iz7f]

@@marysueeasteregg Many "Race Horses" are hooked on drugs and have to go thru a program called "Just Say Nay" - God bless you Nancy Reagan one of the best presidents we ever had.

[@trill4907]

They used to have the Andalusians doing this in Queensland in the early 80s I dislike this dramatic music

[@skwervin1]

And originally in Perth but they were Andalusians.

[@melanieCanzler2005]

Poor horses

[@gojo.edições06w]

See how far one person will go, Train multiple horses just to make a KZbin video

[@cindyrissal3628]

Uh, you think someone trained all these horses just for KZbin?? Holy cow. Pull your head out of your bum & wake up!. This riding school has been around for several hundred years...lo-ong before the stupid internet. And classical riding has been around since the ancient Greeks. The world doesn't revolve around internet videos....

[@anjaherrmann9457]

Poor Horses.They never would do this alone. How much pain do they have in their lives?

[@emmawillard1832]

Stupid music! Ruins the entire atmosphere! No reason! The performance music has been in use for decades and suits the horses and riders! A "dressage" rider who doesn't respect that is no "dressage" rider!

[@dog2484]

Wenn ich die Ausbinder sehe, kotze ich. Ist Tierquälerei. Kein Pferd kann sich so ausbalancieren

[@thunderthewildhorse5085]

I seen them abuse a stallion cuz he bit his rider.....

[@Mat-ilda]

Distressed looking horses, harsh bits, tight tie downs, straps everywhere ,whips , not impressed.

[@lucindra766]

Those are normal dressage whips and bits, they only hurt if used improperly.

[@Mat-ilda]

@@lucindra766 if you think treating a horse like in the video is okay and impressive and are unable to read the very clear signs the horses are showing then you are ignorant, like many others in the equestrian world. The sport haven't change since the dark ages an the mentality and tools are the same .and people tend to be so close minded even with clear signs in front of them. Horsemanship and horse knowledge should take bigger priority in riding schools not just riding.

[@lucindra766]

@@Mat-ilda These horses in this video are perfectly happy. They are not traines with any form.of abuse unlike dancing horses.

[@cindyrissal3628]

Wow. Not a horse person, are we? The side reins take the place of the riders hands in in-hand work, & the whips are an extension of the trainer's hands & a cue for horses in training to encourage them. I use a whip in my halter classes, too, as something to draw my horse's attention & as an extention of my hand. If you'll bother to notice, the horses aren't struck hard with the whips...it's just a cue.

[@Mat-ilda]

@@cindyrissal3628 someone deffenetly needs to learn how to read horses before making accusations. Yes, whips can be used as a tool of direction in horse training, but this isn't it. Tie downs are also not comparable with reins. Anything that fixates a horses head in possission by a pain bit is cruel and lazy.

[@MBrusaZappellini]

While I fully understand what they are doing, this still is depressing to me. The amount of stress ... for what? To show how effective horses can be in battles 100’s of years ago? Look, I get it, it’s an historic representation... I just question the need to continue this type of high stress work...the techniques are already well documented, Does the world (read: the horses) really need a live representation?

[@sherrielm6259]

exactly! let me see them do this w/o their "gadgets". i think its unnecessary and serves no purpose. they wont show us how they get these beautiful, graceful animals to this point.

[@littlerascaleventing]

@@sherrielm6259 Actually, they will. You can go to the Spanish Riding school and watch them train. It takes years to get to this point. They slowly and steadily build the horse up to this point, and if the horse's temperament isn't right for it, then they don't use that horse for the haute ecole.

[@MBrusaZappellini]

@UnicornGirl thanks, I love talking with other people who are passionate about horses. As I said, I fully understand what they are doing and how much training/breeding/selection it takes to get to this level. Ive been a rider for 45+ years , did pony club/university eq team etc, so of course I CAN appreciate it, but I still question the need for live demonstrations. Maybe I’m just getting too mellow with age but it just seems like a whole lot of stress and not enough happy trails. Having said that- my 16th birthday present was a trip to a Lipizzaner show and my niece now owns two Lippies ( you can’t say Lipizzaner without Pizza!) They are a phenomenal breed.

[@sammyhammon8353]

@@MBrusaZappellini if you're asking the question of "why do they need to demonstrate it" you may as well ask "why do we still ride horses." These horses are put through less stressful training than your average dressage or jumper. And funnily enough some horses actually prefer to not walk trails, I personally knew a horse who loved arena work but would stress the fuck out whenever he was ridden anywhere other than an arena, and it wasn't due to lack of exposure or bad experience, he just hated it. And like others have said, these horses are put through years and years of training on the ground to get to this point. Also, the "gadgets" they're using are not for force or to scare the horse into doing the trick, they are used as an indicator just like voice commands are used as indicators for a dog to sit, or pressure applied with your leg indicates to a horse that it needs to walk forward. It's the same premise.

[@MBrusaZappellini]

@@sammyhammon8353 yeah I’ve ridden a bunch of freaked out horses on trails- no fun feeling their anxiety booming through the tack! I actually was talking more about the state of mind than trail tiding. I knew I’d get shit for questioning the need for the art of the airs how it was portrayed in this video... Don’t take it that I’m against high training- I’m just expressing my critical thinking... In this case- re: The haut ecole- as I tend to look critically ( in which I mean I question how) about how horses are being trained in general. In that this is arguably the highest form in dressage training, it is at the level of fine art. ( btw I am an artist) I’m looking at the need for exhibitions- which are re-enactments of the war horses of history. A military parade if you will. I do understand and agree with what you’re saying , not arguing against your points- just trying to explain my POV ...seeing this video brought up a feeling of sadness that Actually surprised me. Oh, fwiw, I’m not the person who wrote about gadgets BTW, but will admit I’m not a fan of side reins in general...clearly, this is not general riding. I do understand why they are used in the airs. 👍🏼 Ps fully aware that I’m conflicting within my explanations- 🤷🏼‍♀️I’m conflicted about this in general... so I guess at least that makes sense. Ugh, I’m better at communicating with horses, excuse me 🙂

[@beam3819]

The poor horse could fall 😢

[@liannemilnthorp9321]

AKA... Abuse of horses

[@meycoe]

ever watch foals at play in the field...they do this naturally, particularly colts. should we run out to them and force them to stop?

[@johnfaragher3959]

bollakks

[@marlenehamedl6409]

I understand ur concern but please take a look at how they train these horses. Absolutely no abuse, cared for to the highest expense. Vienna really had a deep deep culture and connection with horses and wants their best care

[@cindyrissal3628]

Yeah, right. Not a horse person, are we? You obviously know nothing of history or training to say that. Go watch something you do approve of...

[@janicemoore30]

Only in your overactive, uninformed, imagination.

[@turidcanis7724]

That's cruel and yes there are training facilities that are not open to the public...

[@turidcanis7724]

I'm from Austria, I was there, I know people who worked there. Horses don't want to jump in the aire and live alone in small boxes. That's NOT species appropriate horse keeping!

[@turidcanis7724]

.... but some people also think thoroughbreds love the race 🙄..... sad so many 'blind' people

[@evansquilt]

The morning training sessions are open to the public - there are several videos on KZbin - and no, the horses are not treated cruelly.

[@evansquilt]

@@turidcanis7724 - you know "people who worked there"? Name names, and if they're *that* convinced the horses are abused, help them set up a blog or get their stories published. Otherwise, cut it out.

[@delphinepsychoyos6004]

@@evansquilt Hello Evansquilt, I visited the stables last week. The horses are magnificent and overall happy. Yet, there are three things that shocked me and I would like to know if there is something that can be done about it, to make the horses even happier . These three things, that I witnessed can be worked upon, I am sure. They involve horses held at the back stables, and the trotting machine in the middle of the training area (at the inner center of the stables), and the selection of horses that get to walk at the BurgGarden. Please help me see if something can be done. I can be reached at [e-mail] Many thanks in advance. I am deeply grateful!!!

[@ZenMountain]

Leave the horses alone. They should not be forced to act like clowns, only for the entertainment of the insensitive. Find your entertainment somewhere else and respect animals.

[@kassi-opeia]

You do understand, these lippizaner are treated like royalty. Huge stalls, only the best grain and hay money can provide, groomed often, and spoiled with treats. These horses often live well into their thirties, while most racehorses and the like usually die before they see their tenth birthday. These lippizaner horses are raised well, trained well, and treated amazingly. It's a trade-off. The horses perform and in return they live in luxury. Just like a human's job- you work, you get money. A trade-off.

[@horsecrazy4978]

Found the uneducated vegan

[@cindyrissal3628]

Wow. Your considerable ignorance is showing...big time! These movements are done by horses free in the wild & in pasture all the time. If they are "acting like clowns", it was the horses' idea first. And this is not acting like clowns. It's completely natural movements that came to be utilized in war, and in modern times,, to showcase the amazing connection that is possible between horse & rider. I'd like to know what you do approve of. How is this not respecting animals?? Because you're training them for something? Let me guess...you're the kind that doesn't make your kids do anything bc it wouldn't be "respecting" them, right? And I won't even ask if you've ever been around horses. That's way obvious...🙄

[@juliadcock3071]

Mountain, you apparently live in a dream world, in reality, these horses develop close bonds with their riders and caretakers. If we "left the horses alone", that would end up costing many, many horses their lives. The fact that these horses, and others have a purpose saves them from destruction, already, there are too many wild horses in areas that overwhelm the grazing land and so they're rounded up with some being sent to slaughter by unscrupulous adopters.

[@janicemoore30]

Why did the video's producer "heart" that ignorant, rude, remark??