Drifting Off Topic - Revamp Of Competition? Are We Too Focused On Traction? Our First Talk Show!

These were really fun to shoot, Tanner, Pat, and I are 3 very different drivers and have been wanting to share our perspectives and chat out loud about drifting. For our first show we jump right into it and chat about competition drifting from a shoot out events, to normal tire classes, and all sorts of comp drifting. We also go off topic and banter about running doors, pissing people off, and how much we love drifting!
Be sure to follow this playlist for more shows in the future!
Give us some feedback good or bad, we are all very new to this and will take everything into consideration.

[@miketech2]

I feel like a fly on the wall when these guys are having a drink after a great event. 🙏🏼

[@chelseadenofa]

This was the goal. Thank you!

[@wobblysauce]

Good times, if only there was more…

[@matthewcushnyr930]

This was the most enjoyable podcast I’ve heard in a long time. The precision timing of the bleeps showed how high quality the production is. I can’t wait for the next

[@dillonaron14]

This could be better than the podcast claiming to be the best drifting podcast

[@ChasingPerfection]

Already has triple his avg views in 5hrs

[@FrankFlatOut]

This is the podcast we’ve needed for a long time.

[@reubenrodriguez4718]

This needs to become a real deal podcast! I need this on the Apple podcast app. Thanks Chelsea!

[@DamnBadGamer]

Missile Car Only events would be so sick! Seeing all you guys shred and have so much fun at Lz's compound recently made me jealous and want that. Probably not possible because of insurances etc but would be so sick to see!

[@deanlewis4074]

I’d like to see the 3 of you bring in other drivers from different comps for a chat each ep.

[@12mstokman]

Love this. Love seeing Pat back. Hopefully this is a consistent thing!!

[@dzzope]

There is a grass roots racing series, in Sweden i think, where all the cars look junk because a rule is that any competitor can buy your car at any time for a fixed amount. Think it was like 2kish (but that was back 15 yrs or more ago) So you can do whatever you want to your car (within the rules) but if you spend on nice parts, someone will just buy your car and sell them.. It keeps the costs super low and makes the focus more about driving.. Would love to see something more like that.. too many people worried about what the cars look like and expensive parts and building more extreme builds and power. Something like the recent LZsuri.. same or similar cars, same or similar tyres, and each car dyno'd to be roughly equal power bands. And if any get too nice, they are xxxx (what 10k these days? for a ready to drift matsuri/missile with nothing fancy) and anyone can buy your car out from under you.

[@feelgoodhorizon4084]

235 class has been the best to see and watch, wish more events did this closer.

[@ChasingPerfection]

As an outsider who doesn't drift but watches everything I can. I dont get how the smaller events don't promote more. When it's the day of the event and your last social media post was a week ago, that's a problem. Make a photo for each driver registered for the event promoting the event. Simplest thing I can think of. Each driver posts their photo on their socials. Someting is better then nothing.

[@almony8]

Great conversation, and I love the Jedi Mind Tricks shirt Chelsea!

[@fifthgear93]

31:53 I would love to see that list Chelsea, especially the one about the grassroot tires. Looking forward to that video.

[@bigmikepimp2003]

I love this. Wish to see more of pat and here he is and Chelsea's brain works different from everyone in drifting

[@benjaminbussell4824]

Had to do it. That's why we love you champ!!🤘

[@d.bray1]

I am enjoying the podcast guys! Thank you!

[@JorgeRodriguez-qs1wz]

🎬 Still sad I might never get to see you drive FD in person.😢 Great pod! The best part is listening to all the stories without names to relate them to 😂

[@IDlikeanEvo]

Would love to see the same type of video with T-ray ! Love the content Chelsea keep it up

[@kennyhennig9139]

Best thing our local drift series in South Australia did was changing to a 235 series ( with a list of tyres we are aloud to run) made the driving more competitive

[@ch3ckth3back]

I'm here for all of these.

[@Subdubbin]

Yes! More of this please!

[@wildperformance2497]

33 seconds in and I have to hit that like!!!

[@WalletMonkeys]

This is killer conversation, thanks for shooting!

[@morettithanyou]

hope to see more of this soon really enjoy the shop talk on drifting.

[@Ethericbikes]

Love these types of videos gives such a interesting and great perspective/ insight on drifting and all the different ways things can be!

[@clutchkickpj693]

BCD is running a 235 300 tread wear competition at THE FIRM and few other venues in 2024 so that should be a cool series.

[@CatDaddyTuning]

Also we switched to 235’s on one of the team cars and went FASTER on the bank than we did on a 265 in the small engine car that makes 450. It costs more each day to run 235 unlimited though. We used twice as many tires. But, the clutch, diff, axles, are never going to break. A 235 valino would have lasted a lot longer than the mega sticky Zeknova we used.

[@nofearcbr]

35:52 pats lugnuts backwards story 😂🤙🏻

[@keithbowen3415]

Lake Erie speedway baby!!!!! I’ll see you there next year!!!!

[@bradleyuz6111]

Loved this podcast! Keep it up guys! 🤙🏻

[@ericturnbull9780]

this was great guys

[@SMUDESS]

please do more of this chelsea, yall were just in eachothers heads the entire cast it was fuckin awesome.

[@kennethgamble5498]

The arguing and ego are my personal hell of anything car related.

[@PNWSV]

Pat is my favorite drivers

[@Moneygrip]

This reminds me of when i was kid competing on gran turismo 5 drift comps and it was comfort hard tires only lol CH ONLY

[@jonnod1052]

Loved the podcast, can you upload an audio only as well?

[@chelseadenofa]

We will next episode

[@RacekorStuff]

Man I love this!

[@Eli-ko9cg]

cant wait for more episodes

[@SaleenDrift]

Legend!!!

[@dewayneramsey9479]

Love it 🤘

[@keithdatSKRdrift]

“What would an idiot trophy look like?” “Me” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@austintyler6316]

I totally agree about the marketing aspect but I also think people want to be seen and be the next biggest thing on the gram and they completely over look the simplicity and the love for the sport, ego and pride takes over and can and will get someone physically and emotionally hurt. Leave that shit at the gate and go have fun and build the community. DRIFTING RULES!

[@ADHDriver]

Pat's my favorite "idiot" LOL

[@SmokeDirt]

Klutch Kickers was for the little guy. Nobody will beat the pay out and grassroots feel of original Klutch Kickers.

[@PeterZvan]

My view on the drivers briefing discussion about 59:30 into the. I judged several events in Slovenia this year and always made sure to be very precise in the briefing on what to do and how do drive each section. To be able to do that I always drove the layout prior to the competition and put out videos in advance - always with GPS data and a comment list on what to setup for. And I do two briefings - before the first practice where we do also a track walk - me explaining where to go, how to transition, where it will get tight in battles... Problem being - only about 5% of the drivers really listen, let alone formulate any questions which would help them understand what to do. As I have been judging for 13 years by now I since years know that making briefings before battles absolutly makes sence -thing is that before the event as a judge its hard to exactly predict how the drivers will drive the track and especially how the battles will go. You can estimate about 90%, but the rest not really. So another briefing before battles makes sence - its also important that it happens in such timing that drivers allready did battle practice so that we can get the references needed - but also still before going directly into battles so that there is still some practice time left. However again - only a limited ammount of people really listen. As for informing the public on what details the judges will be looking - I absolutly agree on that. But its not really easy to make it happen - the announcer has to be on the briefing, has to be very knowledgable to be able to understand the details and he also needs to be able to bring it across to the public - a difficult task - we werent able to really properly make it happen until now. Also hearding cats is how I would describe doing a track walk with the drivers here.

[@daylatedrift]

Marketing for drifting is dismal. If you're not in the know you'll never know bc there's only private fb groups and websites you're not going to know to look up. If you want the sport to grow to a point where big money brands are coming in and people can actually make a living doing it you gotta get a team together to market events and get people involved. Look at monster jam, they run adds, billboards, flyers etc. There was drifting less than 2hrs away from me for 15 years and I had no idea! I'm out clutch kicking around turns and sliding circles around goons in parking lots pissing everyone off when I could have been going ham on a track. It's frustrating and disappointing the lack of marketing and exposure the sport gets. Another thing is you have to get the fan girls out of judging, you can't have emotions and favoritism in a booth making decisions on who moves on. Keep it fair, consistent, and understand closing speeds.

[@trentrutherford827]

pls do more of these

[@JAVIER12321]

Please do more

[@brianmchattie157]

I have a 9 second NA drag car, if you want to come "push buttons" and show us how easy it is, you are more than welcome to come to a test n tune day at a track local to me and I'll supply the car for you. Other forms of motorsports always looks easy until you truly try it....

[@patrickgoodin1053]

This is a hill I’m willing to die on. My old turbo LS FD car ran a 10.3 with a 4 speed manual, tiny clutch, and 295/40/18 falken 615k’s… and I ran out of gear about 100’ short of the finish.

[@ditchs14]

“Why is no one here?” Cuz we poor lol

[@SatriaBudiN]

will you bring this kind of 'podcast' to some apps?? like spotify, google podcast, etc

[@acidriott]

Awesome.

[@Awnawbruh]

Make the tracks longer. Everyone complained about tire attrition. Forces drivers to make less power and less grip to get through 2 laps. It mitigates the over the top tires

[@Philsilva06]

The tire debate is really interesting... My question on that is, how do people compete with say an RTR who can spend a million on chassis setup when they can't just buy a tire off the shelf that is better?

[@chelseadenofa]

Great point, the money sometimes just goes to developing brand new chassis to keep partners happy tho too.

[@Philsilva06]

@chelseadenofa of course, and that's what eventually makes angle kits and suspension affordable for the rest of us. Ultimately, if there is money to be spent, it will go somewhere, so caping tires might solve it a bit but not 100%

[@fishingmontana1564]

I wish we had a track in montana that did track days and events regardless other than auto cross i want to build a car so bad i am looking at getting a sim setup to fix the urge

[@glonky36]

I’m in Bozeman and know a couple guys that run Montana Drivers Club. We had 2 drift events in Lewistown over the summer. I wish we had an actual track and not just a skidpad but it’s a good start.

[@fishingmontana1564]

@glonky36 nice I am in bozeman too and yeah I am not really plugged into the community so I will admit that is part of my problem what happened to the skid pad track in Ronan I am from missoula and my mom lives in st ignatius so I would go to that as often as they had it I am sure insurance is not cheap and lots of other legal and tech stuff that I don't know shit about but nice it's cool seeing other mt ppl in the chats

[@gitrekt-gudson]

Jedi Mind Tricks baby!

[@mikeogren1934]

What if the quitting drifting after the end of clutch kickers was that want to compete with pros but not wanting to get an FD license

[@JoeyMagana]

JMT? that's wassup Chelsea, real rap

[@PeterZvan]

Another topic I would say that is totaly missing is having a workshop with judges and drivers on what is good in drifting. The way the judges understand drifting totaly defines the competitions and even driving styles in a series / country (we are very small here). And I never get approached by the drivers here. Or even get asked on what my logic is and what I see as skill in drifting really is - and I drive most of the driftdays here. Also I drive my car in the practice sessions of the events we do here - I do twins with a lot of the guys during practice sessions - partially because I love driving and partially to have a clear picture what works and what not and what is relevant in battles / or even qually. Again this sometimes can change my view on things that I thought would work one way during the briefing and how they really work and how I should judge that. And what I sometimes find in the disscussions after events is just how much some drives rate some small aspects of the runs as very important and on my view of the judging it might only be 10% of the overally picture. So most of the run can be completly meh, but entry was crazy good. Drivers usually think that they get underscored, but in reality they only did 10% of the run well and 90% was basicly shit - if they would tone down the entry and concentrate more on the overall run the score would be much higher - this point is very difficult to bring across. On a side note - being a judge is often a very unsatisfactory thing to do. Always someone will be pissed at you, always you will be accused of favouritisms and many times I also question myself if the call was really right or if it would not be better to have called and OMT. BTW: we almost never run same layouts so its always a bit different so I cant really go on old experiance.

[@CatDaddyTuning]

Because everyone on earth views the big entry as the key thing to a good run. I talk to so many spectators and brand new fans and people rank the committed entry as the most important and coolest part. Judge accordingly don’t be an FD repeat and bore everyone.

[@tideshiftvisual]

Klutchkickers was great because of the vibe.

[@ryanokeeffe9745]

Who/what was the rear mount turbo v8 car they talk about

[@toobukuauto]

36:32 OMG is Chelsea DeNofa my spirit animal?

[@RoninNights]

Sounds like our director

[@shanebryant9717]

Let’s goooo!

[@zkid676]

Grate podcast

[@feelgoodhorizon4084]

"keep drifting fun." Lead driver should be judged in the same way someone would drift with friends, lead's sole responsibility is setting the route for the best run possible for both drivers. If they drive away they are not doing that. Even in assetto you can tell good leads from bad easily, even more when its real. I only tuned in for Denofa's champ push these past years, was at the first event in atlanta, never missed a year until the tire /weight rule which enforced the "this tire is better"even more as before you at least had the option to go wider if you got stuck if a noncompetitive brand as a sponsor. Idk, maybe i'm just too old to really care where the future goes and no one listens anyway unless they take stock hits.

[@fat_biker]

Is anybody interested in the idea of a one make homologated drift championship? Run it all over your country, have car transporters leaving from & returning to major centres of population so that drivers & pit crew can fly in, & mandate a max number of tyres for the weekend so that people can't use crazy 2 lap wonders... obv need to be manufacturer (of the one make) sponned...

[@Bmxstang]

Okay. I always felt like anything over a 245 is way too much for grassroots, everyone goes all crazy about getting 265s but it’s really just so much more balanced. Nothing will break and it feels so much fucking faster. My kat s13 even with stock rear geometry has a lot of grip with a 235 kenda/valino and even on my 328 e90 a 235 is almost even over gripped lmao

[@CatDaddyTuning]

It’s cheaper to run a 265 at 80-100psi than a smaller size. Most people don’t air them up enough

[@CatDaddyTuning]

265’s are too fast and the last season of KK was on a huge banked track in comparison to emerald. That’s why we’re running 215 spec this year at Apple Valley Speedway in Ultimate drifting challenge, and a 215 can still go pretty fast. But the competitors just want 215 unlimited so here we are.

[@RBponics]

Yeah he had twin rear mounted turbos. He was pissed in Texas lol

[@SWATA27]

🔥🔥👏👏

[@th3banditx]

i feel like the gambler is better in many ways... but i just think the live stream just isnt exciting.. or really good compared to the klutchkickers one, alot of these series just dont have it.. which makes it hard for people out of the area to watch and see the story unfold

[@Freedo70]

so what we need at the gambler is more people to attend in person and compete and once the cash flow starts ramping up we can improve the livestream. we want to make a better livestream too

[@ErnestHughes12344322]

Hohnadell placed 5th in a stock z in not sure if any low power car ever did better

[@NickNoback]

I track was only $300 per win

[@LSXLogan]

Pat's Alex Bowman sprint car shirt is tits

[@zmohan69]

I wanna go pretty bad. Its only 3 hours for me. Also its 350 for entry fee. But honestly i could do a full weekend at e town be about same money. Idk deff on a to do list just less important least for me

[@troubleinlittlemexico2714]

I literally caged my Z this year so I can drive etown gambler 235 class 🤘

[@chadstueber9401]

Anyone know who they’re talking about at the end with the New Edge????

[@supradma71]

also curious

[@1clnsdime1]

It is the weight of the cars. That's why you're breaking the quick change. Most dirt cars are 2400 pounds, and u hardly ever see one break.

[@dudemynameisdebo]

Taylor Ray won in the Miata didn't he?

[@dudemynameisdebo]

Emerald Coast Klutch Kickers didn't he win one?

[@chelseadenofa]

Yea sounds right. Taylor rips!

[@HolyMolyBlais]

We need DMEC to buy FD and do a world league based on skill not on who got enough money to make the car competitive... RTR is doing exactly what's needed to bring the sport to another level imo , we need to turn this into something closer to F1 than Nascar

[@Driftbox29]

The gambler unlimited class, the entire fee is to high.

[@g.j.2857]

Do more.

[@getarealjob]

❤❤❤

[@DriftSanti]

hahah Getting attacked for not wanting to run the 3.91 or higher.

[@oat.cortadhoe]

Why not start your own series?

[@chelseadenofa]

No thanks haha

[@Driftbox29]

Next time Soften the Gate. The audio is a little choppy.

[@chelseadenofa]

Yea, I agree. We’re learning. Post production did not help either. Mics are cheap.

[@Driftbox29]

@@chelseadenofa yeah I know you guys are. Constructive criticism. If you ever need help with audio editing. Or anything let me know I use to do a lot of audio stuff including edit for a comedy show.

[@Max23653]

ite could also be the people who had the desk job that were told work from home for 40 hours a week and could do that by a track or thins of that nature that have now been told you have to come back to an officed for work now and dont have that time where they worked trackside between runs 7:53

[@chelseadenofa]

Good point. But you have nights and weekends. I had a full time job and ran FD till 2015.

[@travisvanderpool6012]

Love the content but damn so many commercials 😩 2 commercials every 5 mins 🤯

[@PappyBuilt]

#CommentForTheAlgorithm

[@fifthgear93]

25L48 The Valino 08C is 300 treadwear. He's saying they're way faster than the Nittos? How many laps compared to the Nittos? Cause I had Valino 08D which is 360TW and did close to 70 laps on another track in my NA BMW E46. I was very satisfied with the durability and logevity of the tire. The 08C should be close to the same I guess? Anyways, the point he was making is that the Valino 08C is a crazier tire compared to the Nitto but the 08C is only 300tw. Is the difference that big in traction? Or did he meant the 200TW Valino which is the 08R. I reckon the rulebook of the 235 class only permits 300tw tires because there's even lower tw tires like the Valino 08RS in 160TW which would be much faster and kinda ruin the point of the 235 class.

[@chelseadenofa]

Almost double the laps. TW means absolutely nothing also.

[@fifthgear93]

@@chelseadenofa The Nitto has double the laps of the 08C? Damn. What is the exact model of that Nitto tire? Unfortunately I cannot get it in Europe tho as none of the Nitto tires are available here.

[@ScottyBSim]

Sorry I'm late to the party. What I hate is when comps like FD make the line more important than proximity for the chase driver. It might be more skilful in some ways but it's also boring to watch. It's like they want FD to become the F1 of drifting... they might have all the skill and tech in the world but it's boring as watching paint dry...

[@davevaughn7057]

It’s funny how you talk about gearing and tell people what to do and they still don’t listen. I deal with guys and you tell him to do this for the front sprocket or you do it with the back sprocket and they still don’t listen. What’s the point😂😂. that’s why we test in tune

[@NightOwlPerformanceMarietta]

itrack didn't pay shit, also not even close to what klutch kickers was as far as a comp/organization

[@podcastprimate]

Get away from skateboard judging for a competition. figure out a scoring system... put on lasers, break a tie w/ xfactor.

[@braydenallen6961]

Did you get to keep your mustang?

[@chelseadenofa]

I don't really have a use for it. It's very expensive to run and have sit around. Better used for parts or another vehicle.

[@braydenallen6961]

@@chelseadenofa oh gotcha i thought it was like nascar or any other form of motor sport where when you win the championship you get to keep the vehicle. i got another question for you? when you switch from a vertical hydro to a horizontal was that preference or dose the company that makes the electric hydro only make them horizontal

[@fifthgear93]

@@chelseadenofa Which mustang are you guys talking about, the black one that had its door smashed and side skirt smashed earlier this year? Surely Chelsea doesn't get to keep the FD car or the Demo car.

[@braydenallen6961]

@@fifthgear93 we are talking about the penzoil car that he used in the final round

[@weerdo115]

Algo pro tip: make this it's own channel.

[@chelseadenofa]

It takes to long to build. Together did a lot of research and felt this was the most efficient way to launch this. It will have its own socials, but ultimately live here for video related cast. It will be on Spotify and Apple Music for episode 2, which is where I feel most people will listen to it, its not really meant for video viewers.

[@brianmchattie157]

Set a spec durometer AND treadwear rating on a common size and be ready to test them for hardness before and after a run

[@rustynutzz3504]

Why didn’t Chelsea explain how dudes with money can buy a drive with a team, if they actually have the cash to splash.

[@chelseadenofa]

Good question. In a future episode.

[@Nimbus.]

🌤

[@nickisslamin]

*beep* ram boxes useless space