Drinker's Chasers - The Marvels Director BEGS For Captain Marvel 3, Reality Is Setting In

Reality is beginning to sink in for Nia DaCosta, the director of Captain Marvel 2 as she reportedly pitches sequel ideas to Kevin Feige without much success, even admitting that the future of franchise depends on this movie being good. Somehow Nia, I don't think it will be.

[@Kahnovitch]

The only time I want to see Carol Danvers on screen is if she's being drained by Rogue to be left an even emptier husk than she already is, if that's possible.

[@tinycmo]

I'd pay a dollar for that.

[@TheScience69]

and monica ranbeu randomly got energy absorbing powers and mcu is obsessed with race swaps, and are introducing x men with mutants appearing in ms marvel who is also in the marvels.....

[@PowuhToSeven]

​@@TheScience69Indian flash Thomson is the most redacted thing I've seen.

[@TheScience69]

@@PowuhToSeven just wait till agent venom has a turban on

[@hermitcard4494]

YOUR WISH IS GRANTED!! Rogue will be race swap, ugly, starred by even more entitled actress on Brown Snow level, and her character will be more cringe than Captain Karen' stoic wood face. She will suck Captain Karen powers at the end of her trilogy, her personality and will keep fighting her fight. Then become the leader of the X Persons.

[@TheWarmachine375]

The Marvels: *gonna flop regardless* Everyone: "Yes, very sad. Anyway."

[@jhnshep]

'oh dear. How sad. Nevermind'

[@bigtomcutter7804]

“Oh No! Anyways.”

[@chasehedges6775]

And nothing of value will be lost

[@LastFantasiaWeapons]

"I am shocked! Shocked! Well, not that shocked."

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

Let me get the worlds smallest violin

[@Kragar01]

Another well written female character was Anderson in Dredd. Movie was basically her story, she has a whole arc to become a badass Judge. She is flawed, vulnerable and unsure of herself but is more human than her stoic counterpart. She doesn’t end up mimicking Dredd at the end she becomes her own type of Judge.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

YES! thank you! Another well written female character should include Sasha Waybright from Amphibia. She starts off as a snarky, bossy cheerleader girlfriend but upon being stranded, she becomes a military general who upon nearly getting killed has a turnaround who thinks on her feet. Even in the final fight when the stakes are down and the villain (her brainwashed friend by the way) is kicking her ass and mocking her for failures, she's worried about failing and letting her friends down and proves the villain wrong when she gets her ass up and cuts the core off her friend and saves the day. And Amphibia is ironically from Disney and that show was great!

[@SpaceJawa]

Really well done how she went from Dredd being dismissive of her and losing her weapon during her evaluation (which should have been an auto-fail); to at the end her attitude is 'I'm failing anyway so I might as well do what I think is right', actually showing mercy to a guy who's as much a victim as anyone, and earning Dredd's respect and being passed.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

"Her stoic counterpart" doesn't need to be "human". Who needs to be human when _you are the law?_

[@FunkBastid]

The “You look ready.” moment is so good.

[@SpaceJawa]

@@FunkBastid The perfect climax to a fully realized and well executed character arc.

[@Zepher0987]

Nice to see Lex Luthor joining the panel.

[@Volkbrecht]

Imagine the character actually being Scottish. Wouldn't that be fun :)

[@ReinoldFZ]

He he, he gives some Smallville Luthor vibes.

[@nateblack972]

Who is he?

[@theinsurance2450]

​@@nateblack972You mean the guy in the video or Lex Luther. His name is in the left bottom corner. Lex Luther is a fictional character. He is a DC comics super Villain to Superman.

[@kingrainbow5432]

He looks nothing like Jesse Eisenberg

[@Soyuz2578]

If ever a movie didn't need ANOTHER sequel.....

[@PowuhToSeven]

I'd watch Tusk 2 before this

[@w12266]

Troll 2?

[@toh6261]

Bullshit, I need 8 sequels. I want to see a TRILLION dollar flop. Keep that money flowing China 😂

[@Soyuz2578]

I guess as long as there's still wokesters to keep consuming this dogshit they will never be without a target market 🤣

[@elitronprime7322]

It’ll be the final nail in the coffin for: 1: Captain Marvel’s “popularity” 2: Ms Marvel being forced into literally *EVERYTHING*

[@StephenGillie]

2 executives' self-inserts, no wonder we find them insufferable.

[@dannypalin9583]

Nobody likes a character that is shoehorned. Look at Elmyra from Tiny Toons.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

​@@dannypalin9583 TOO right, sir! "It's what The Network WANTS, why bother to explain?"

[@mitchellalexander9162]

The Training Wheels being off of Captain Marvel (Infinity War and Endgame) will be the Most Damning thing against Carl Manvers's Second outing

[@otisthetowndrunk]

Ms Marvel is the only one of the 3 that seem like a well written character, the 2 grow women are one dimensional. The only one I care to see is MsMavel.

[@Wheelie2077]

She is still hoping for Captain Marvel 3? She should focus on something more likely such as world peace!

[@lormegz]

Wait a cotton picking minute here... But the Title is the Marvels. Shouldn't we get to Captain Marvel 2 first.

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

that isn't happening since your globalists are gaslighting the world with agendas like ESG and IDE...can't forget the commie based feminism being pushed.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

Isn't this the same bitch who made fun of Captain America's actions in Infinity War and made a racist remake of Candyman? She's not even an accomplished film director!

[@bigben8502]

World Peace never dies

[@johntabler349]

If she hulk and Velma are continuing why not?

[@Kyon2011]

To add to the pool of opinions: As a woman, I chuckle at the idea of "female oriented" being narrowed down to "women do things" these days by individual writers here and there. I agree that I also do not want to see a woman superhero overpower everybody, yet I am interested in superhero movies as a male powerfantasy. I do highly enjoy watching powerful, handsome men have (intriguing) power and ponder on how to use it. Dr Strange being my favorite, the archetype of a man comprehending his own relationship to power appeals to me. So what I wish to add here is that: "female oriented" used to also mean the man I want to have (not to be) being on screen, doing sth I admire.

[@APsychicMonkey]

Hey, my mother really likes Doctor Strange as well. Seems like mysterious magician types appeal to the ladies. 😉

[@ryckarduhryckarduh180]

Your comment made me think. There's something universally appealing about stories of men saving the day because men want to be that guy, its a male fantasy afterall, and women want a guy like that (want or appreciate, wtv), so its a win/win When women show up in these roles it doesnt feed of from this male powerfantasy, men dont identify with nor do they want their loved one to be this stuck up no nonsense, no shortcomings strong woman who doesnt care or even likes men, and as far as I can tell women arent invading cinemas because in the end of the day there arent many women who fantasized their whole lives about having superpowers nor do they identify with these type of characters which makes sense because no one likes a Mary Sue I'd say something very similar happens in stand up comedy, a guy does stand up men identify with and women appreciate his humor, a woman does comedy men dont identify with them and as far as I can tell other women also dont care that much about female comedians I know this feels like Im mansplaining why women CANT be superheroes or stand up comedians, of course they can, and sometimes it works perfectly, its just that when its the other way around there's something universally appealing about it, I apologise if it come off as demeaning in any way

[@inazuma3gou]

If women wanted true equality, Jack would have survived in Titanic. Superhero movies work, not because our heroes overpower everybody. We rarely see that. Characters like Batman work because he sacrifices everything, his fortune, his relationships, his future, for the sake of Gotham. There are a few exceptions who pay the price: Jessica Jones and Buffy. That's why these two are heroes. But majority of female "heroes" just wants free rides at an amusement park.

[@toh6261]

Well according to the new woke agenda, the best kind of woman is a man, and the only acceptable man is a woman. Enjoy your new reality, I'm gonna go outside and enjoy the sunshine ✌️😎

[@edwardp7725]

I always was baffled by Marvels logic. I figured women would ALSO want to see handsome, powerful, male superheros doing interesting things, just for slightly different reasons than me.

[@TheWarmachine375]

Carol and Monica: "We have the power to fly, shoot lasers and tank everything." Kamala: *"GUM-GUM GIANT PISTOL!"*

[@patricklewis9787]

Gum gum giant pistol but with all the soul removed

[@kingjulien9525]

Pew pew pew

[@gintoki_sakata__]

Don't disrespect my nigga like that 😭 Especially since the live action was actually great

[@bobbywrtm]

Gi'ah with every power living being can get in MCU and more OP than Goku or Superman: say what?

[@hamzaayaz7482]

Buddy, i got to stop you right there. No, and i mean no story written by a passionate and hardworking person must every be compared to the souless monstrocity that is Kamala. And i am a pakistani.

[@wumpusrat]

One of my favorite things about the fight at the end of Aliens with Ripley vs the alien queen is that throughout the fight, you can see how absolutely TERRIFIED Ripley is. She's not quipping and smirking her way through the fight. She's fighting for her life, and terrified that she might lose. Because she knows what will happen if she does. It helps sell the danger she's in, and makes the scene that much more tense. Whereas with most modern "strong female character" movies, there's no real tension. There's no danger. They write the female character to be this uber badass who just yawns her way through "fights" with absolute assurity. And that makes for really dull cinema.

[@darringeisinger2852]

We’ll said…

[@Parlimant_Strifey]

I thot that was a real women. Women should be fighting the wars from what I have learned from all these feminist fifth wave feminism media of the 2020s. It makes no sense, why are nations wasting all these assets, with their assets? Do better everyone.

[@777Looper]

An excellent point I haven't seen addressed. Sure plenty of broad commentary on how the Mary Sue is intrinsically unlikeable, but yeah, it also kills the narrative tension.

[@oskarfunes2505]

Man, the tension in the last 20 minutes of Aliens, the real countdown, the queen acting menacing but cunning bitch also, the mech battle, it's epic

[@gabrielboorom2683]

"Hey, everyone, let's make The Alien franchise WACKY!!!"

[@TheWarmachine375]

MCU has reaped what they sown with their arrogance and pandering

[@jackielogan9104]

And they hired shitty writers who couldn't care less about pleasing the fans. But more on giving them a "fuck you" for enjoying the MCU.

[@chasehedges6775]

Exactly

[@harrydbastard]

I was told by one of their fans people like me weren't welcome in comics anymore and now no one is buying comics.

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

Correction: The MCU ended with Endgame and phases 4 and 5 have been part of the M-SHE-U.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@JustTooDamnHonest Endgame was mediocre, phase 4 and 5 have been meh and it should have ended at Infinity War.

[@demijebus6831]

Even John McClane gets emotional when people die on his watch. He gets beat to all hell and shows he isn't perfect, but he is resilient and driven to win. These new female roles are all impervious and never seem to faulter. No one takes a lightsaber to the gut and lives. That is lore.

[@greebj]

Well, it has been a staple of cinema that the 'bad guy' has appeared to have taken mortal damage and be beaten but reemerges temporarily for second part to the final boss fight and a more final ending. But there's a big difference between 'assuming the death' and seeing obvious mortal damage onscreen that makes their "just a flesh wound" recovery be rather un-believable.

[@Dap1ssmonk]

Does darth maul count?

[@demijebus6831]

@@Dap1ssmonk oh, touche. 😆

[@JeremiahHartmanPhotography]

History Bro nailed it... women and young girls do not want to be "bad ass" superhero's....and Women do NOT want to see female superhero's that act like men.. they want to see Strong, Smart, Good Looking Superhero MEN. Occasionally the public can handle a believable "Strong female character" like Buffy... Ripley...Trinity...Sarah Conner etc, but none of those characters put men down...are somehow magically AMAZING at everything..and constantly remind you they are a woman.

[@hope-cat4894]

The whole gimmick of Buffy was "what if the girly, blonde, cheerleader who dies in first in the horror movie was actually the tough, main hero?" Look at shows like Kim Possible, Powerpuff Girls, and Totally Spies. Women and girls love seeing feminine ladies kick butt while fixing their hair and the boys thinking they're cute for it. That's their power fantasy. Modern Hollywood sadly forgot this. 😔

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Because real women dont need to put men down and they dont have to hide the fact they are women. I dont need to start dressing like a man to feel equal. Im proud of my womanly ways. Feels like lot of women lack that.

[@JeremiahHartmanPhotography]

@@svetlanaandrasova6086 i totally agree

[@JeremiahHartmanPhotography]

@@hope-cat4894 absolutely

[@moonsy-9733]

I think people wanna see both, the idea that women don't like strong women or power fantasies is silly and dumb. A major problem today is men projecting their ideas of what women do and don't like, but all you gotta do is look at media history lol. A lot of men AND women love X-Men too, just throwing that out there. hope-cat4894 is spot on, the most important part is quality writing which is what's lacking.

[@SenpaiXcore]

To be honest, the idea of feminizing a franchise like comic book heroes, sci fi- stuff like star wars and big fantasy battles like LOTR always had a mostly male audience in mind I think. Turn time back a couple of decades there probably was a small minority of women and girls who liked these things. Nowadays where being a nerd is trendy these things were adjusted and failed because the people who caused the success in the first place want the thing they liked before. A stupid comparison would be strawberry ice cream suddenly tasting like chocolate. You can still lable it as strawberry but when the taste is completely changed it sucks.

[@remuslazar2033]

Not strawberries. Rotten bananas

[@Dodds57]

It’s especially confusing when considering that Disney already had the girl audience on lockdown with their Princess properties. They brought in Marvel & Star Wars to get the boys watching their stuff, too. And then they decided they don’t want the boys to watch anymore?? They have to go find the girl audiences that they already had since 1939???

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Men always liked female characters. Problem is that instaed of original female characters, woke propaganda turns males into females. Then wonders wtf are people not watching

[@jasonfischer8946]

I'm sorry to be this person, but your first sentence is not a complete sentence.

[@chaosgyro]

​@@jasonfischer8946It's a complete sentence (subject and predicate), but it's not a complete thought.

[@TheScience69]

monica rambeu probably got energy absorbing powers because they're going to make her race swapped rogue and have her steal brie larsons powers to black her up.

[@ramonpizarro]

Swear to God if this happens I will come back to this comment to congratulate you

[@TheScience69]

@ramonpizarro I mean...Ms marvel is also in the marvels and they introduced mutants with her show. Got a funny feeling were going to see the black actress flying around with a white streak in her hair. Because as we all know, all a character is is their most obvious physical feature when you break it down.

[@jetla22]

Nah. I'm certain they will cast a younger actress regardless of race

[@TheScience69]

@@jetla22 thats very discriminatory. ree

[@IdealX-fr4eg]

WOW! I didn't even think about that but you know it's coming. And her on again/off again relationship with a trans gambit will be a big hit 🤣

[@Whalewraith]

Stargate's Sam Carter was one of the best female characters in the action genre. Sure she could fight but generally she was the brains of the operation. People liked her.

[@ajsouza3720]

Shhhhhhh don't remind people about Stargate!

[@Grubnar]

But she was written to be likable, and the actress portraying her (Amanda Tapping) is very likable and talented. O'Neil was the "action-man. Jackson was the "intellectual". She was the perfect blend of the two, smart, but not aloof, feisty, but not harsh. Like that story about Goldielocks and the three bears.

[@Whalewraith]

@@Grubnar did you ever see the Atlantis episode where Rodney was facing certain death and conjured her up as an imaginary friend to help him process? Loved that one.

[@hawkeye5955]

The characters of SG-1 and Atlantis were fun and were enjoyable. Even SG-1's 200th episode poked fun at itself, especially with the puppets segment making references to the original Stargate movie and the pilot episode.

[@dsnein]

Shhhhh don’t let them know there’s another franchise to “update”

[@WOranos]

To write good characters, empathy is a real asset. It lets you step into the shoes of the character you are creating and experience them first hand, discovering their motives and desires kind of organically. The problem here is that empathy is a human trait and the writers of these shows aren't human. They are political constructs, manufactured for the sole goal of promoting certain ideological messaging to the public. The characters they give us are basically billboard advertisements for their message and have no more depth or gravitas than a sheet of paper glued to a wall.

[@Xapheion101]

Very well said, you found the words for thoughts I've had for a while.

[@guyvizard549]

Also, empathy is lost when a character has to always break the 4th wall, or it's a lame attempt at identifying with the audience... I'm referring to the almost constant line(s) of, "Well, THAT just happened!" or some stupid variation on Joss Whedon snark. I think The Flash took me to the limit with that crap. It's okay to just be quiet sometimes.

[@alphatrion4365]

Also helps to have a character arc instead of a character with no flaws at all always saving the day.

[@crazyralph6386]

Perfect analysis.

[@docsavage8640]

@guyvizard549 💯 the Joss Whedon snark just tells me as a viewer that these characters don't take this situation seriously so why should I care?

[@damian_cross]

The Ripley example goes much deeper than her role as a woman. Yes Ripley is the voice of reason, but in both Alien and Aliens she's not the ONLY voice of reason. Dallas and Hicks are both reasonable men who lend gravitas to Ripley's opinions. She's not just a silent voice nobody listens to, she gets put over by characters we empathize with too. Also, Ripley isn't just a badass who outshines marines, she does so for a reason: she's earned it. She's dealt with the xenomorph before. She's been through that fire and that's what makes her different. If she was just some nobody seeing an alien for the first time who then outshined the marines, it wouldn't work.

[@andystegall7407]

Ripley was only the hero because she was the only one left in the first movie. Yes, she is smart and tough and brave and yadda yadda yadda, but she's still just a regular person. In the second she had experience, however limited with alien lifeforms and was brought along to assist the Marines who failed because they were sabotaged by the corporation and sacrificed to get a live specimen. Ripley again was the sole survivor and her maternal instinct to rescue Newt stemmed from the guilt of accidentally abandoning her daughter and outliving her. A modern remake of Alien would have Ripley be a badass from the start, effectively missing the mark as to why she's such a great character.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

Does anyone remember 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' (1996)? Where the main character starts as a caring mother, remembers she was a bada** agent to finally merge her two personalities to become a bada** mother? How she avoids close combat, because as a woman she is physically weaker than many men? Sure, she can kick butt, but she prefers to use guns at a distance, because physical strength doesn't matter there. How she even breaks down when she thinks her daughter might die? And she gets out of the worst situations by being smart and resourceful. Not by simply being invincible and stoic.

[@SingularityMedia]

Love that movie. Totally transformed Gina Lee Davis, and Samuel as pimp sidekick was fun.

[@jamalbryant8099]

Hell yeah, Charlie Baltimore, but nobody don't want to mention her

[@Grubnar]

"Mommy! Are we going to die?" "No honey. **Lights match** They are! **Throws match**"

[@jamalbryant8099]

@@Grubnar "hey, should we get a dog?"

[@baxter1252]

The Drinker did an Extra Shot about that movie. That is an action movie with a female lead done right. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGeXhoiiftyKldUsi=Qy4gtBYPXJ6Q7GMA

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

I still think about how Brie said during promo she had to go thru every possible emotion with Carol, only for these emotions to never be seen on screen. Now I dont know if thats her lack of acting abilities or the script.

[@insaniam_convertunt_scientiam]

C. Bad or inattentive direction The technical qualities of todays Hollyweird blockbuster directors is atrociously bad. It’s the Idiocracy Effect: Good stuff gets flashy, flashy goes lazy and lazy ruins everything

[@salguodrolyat2594]

She was just making up 💩 to promote the movie.🤣

[@Runner2000]

Ripley. What a legend. Best badass line, and the delivery was fantastic. “Get away from her, you BITCH!”

[@adhirg]

“I believe the line is, ‘STAY away from her, you bitch!’” - Jamie Kennedy, Scream 2

[@SlimeSquare]

National Lampoon's The Marvels

[@doberski6855]

I was thinking along the same lines, only when they said Wacky. I was thinking Benny Hill presents The Marvels! (Really miss that comedian, RIP)

[@Starlesslight]

I liked Carol Danvers the most in comics when: 1. She was part of Rogue's psyche 2. When she was Binary I never cared for her as the Captain Marvel character. Being part of Rogue was the highlight, because that's how she was when I started collecting comics, and X-Men was so good. I liked the Starjammers, and I thought Binary was a cool character.

[@Zepher0987]

Carol's non-binary now?

[@azh698]

Warbird was pretty cool too.

[@chaosgyro]

Carol as Ms. Marvel acting as Nick Fury's top muscle was a pretty good arc for the character. The MCU wholesale dismantling SHIELD was a pretty shortsighted move.

[@jlev1028]

​​@Zepher0987 It was a superhero mantle she had in the '80s when she went full cosmic. In fact, her CG helmet form in the movies is officially called "Binary Mode".

[@betonde]

Of all the movies in 2023 The Marvels will be one of them

[@stevef68]

Or not, if we are lucky.

[@DrLicuid]

Truly, a 2023 moment in cinema history.

[@greebj]

Batgirl gives us false hope unfortunately

[@Vikotnick]

La Femme Nikita (The French version) also has an amazing female protagonist.

[@SingularityMedia]

She didn't girl boss all the way through either. She got her ass kicked and there were actual stakes.

[@mikepatton8691]

The old, I think Canadian, La Femme Nikita TV show that aired on USA was also awesome. Good show and had a great soundtrack.

[@TeppicTheAbysswalker]

​@@mikepatton8691And Peta Wilson, the name of whom I totally remembered for over 20 years not because of her looks. Like, at all. My respect for her acting is on par of Drinker's towards another start actress, Megan Fox. 😂

[@mikepatton8691]

@@TeppicTheAbysswalker Totally agree, Peta Wilson was beautiful and she really nailed her role as Nikita for the show. Of all the actresses, Anne Parillaud, Bridget Fonda and Maggie Q being the others that played Nikita, Peta Wilson was my favorite Nikita.

[@ZachPrime]

One of the arguments I always make about a female character and how people can misunderstand them is Samus from the Metroid series. People who are legitimately fans of Samus, typically like her being someone who speaks very little but is an unquestionable destructive force. She is the number one bounty hunter in the galaxy her name alone it was Fear from the enemies in the game. Those people that like that Samus typically like to see her in the armor and maybe show her face once in awhile. And yet we know so much about her from her actions, with the way that she cares for the Metroid baby, the way that she attempts to save the animals on a dying planet. All of that is in addition to the destruction. Of course there are the porn adults people that only care about her and skin tight latex but we don't associate with those people 👀

[@axiss5840]

Hollywood has been planning to fuck up her character for years.

[@greebj]

I almost googled Samus pron to see if it is a thing, then I remembered the internet and realised I didn't need to, of course it is.

[@jonathansmithwick5703]

I am both of those people.

[@namishusband818]

She can be both, the hunter and the alluring.

[@bilson7523]

I actually got a bit excited there for a second when the director admitted there are a lot of female lead action and superhero movies and its just about the moving being good. Felt like maybe it's finally sinking to some of the people within Marvel... Then she started talking about it being the first comedic take in the MCU, and labeling it "wacky." Bding overly wacky and comedic is exactly what killed Love and Thunder and has actually been a recurring issue in most MCU properties: Very little is taken seriously in the MCU anymore, and very little has consequences to the characters or world.

[@Ted_Bell]

Miss Marvel was actually cool in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, the old Marvel cartoon on Disney before they cancelled it and replaced it with something inferior.

[@GeoffryGifari]

*everything* is better in Earth's Mightiest Heroes lmao... the Dr Doom depiction is best

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

That dollar store avengers after EMS remains a fever dream for me.

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

​@@GeoffryGifariBro... if EMS ever had a season where doom was the main villain they would be in some shit. I still say that show is the closest Marvel will ever get to rivaling the old Justice League series.

[@GeoffryGifari]

@@Enclavefakesoldier definitely worthy of a series finale. Doom does doom things, the avengers and their shenanigans are just mild annoyances that distract him.... until all the pieces are in place and doom step up to show the avengers just how overhyped they are

[@goufr3540]

When it comes to EMH, they probably did the only good depiction of Kang the Conqueror outside of comics. Hell, the MCU used him 3 times and is always wasted.

[@ianoz1]

Can we campaign to get Brie & Rachel to star in a remake of Thelma & Louise... there's a whole bunch of people who'd pay good money to see the last couple of minutes with the flying car.

[@YesTHATJohnSmith]

😁😆🤣 "Yes, you ARE a Marketing Genius!" --- J.I. Mathers. (Paraphrased slightly.)

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Don't they spend the runtime of that movie murdering men? Seems like this audience would be a little annoyed with that subject matter. 😅

[@ianoz1]

@@blazingmonolith4323 Hmmm... never thought of that... only the flying car bit. It's amazing what my mind is capable of blocking out.

[@hawkeye5955]

They'll somehow survive the car crash, probably not showing the crash at all and teleport them somewhere.

[@terry9819]

I've been re watching Farscape and the amount of emotion they are able to portray with puppets and a good voice actor puts some modern actors to shame.

[@ImRonDurden]

Its good to watch a scifi show where aliens actually look alien. Instead of everyone being humanoid. The animatronics and makeup jobs in farscape were amazing

[@kyriss12]

Jim Henson studios knocked it out of the park on that one.

[@farmerned6]

Evil Pilot laugh was classic and so out of normal character voiced by Lani Tupu, Who also played Crais

[@HorySmokes]

No way, History Bro on with Drinker? The crossover I never knew I needed!

[@celozzip]

yeah sometimes the chat moves to fast so its nice to have it all come grinding to a halt so i can make a cup of tea

[@aaroncostello8812]

"I'll take 'Ideas That Are Worse Than Using A Hobo's Lip Balm' for $200, Alex."

[@MillennialForChrist]

🤭

[@snapdragon9300]

Using hobos in snow white, instead of dwarves?😂

[@john-ec4460]

😂😂😂😅🤣🤣

[@andypocalypse]

Love the first 2 Alien films! Ripley and Sarah Conner from the terminator movies (and the show!) are 2 of my fave characters ever written and acted

[@StephenGillie]

Imagine a movie with Sarah Conner as the Bourne-ish hero and Dolores Umbridge as the villain in her pink layer, plotting to overthrow the world.

[@ernestmuric6719]

We loved those movies because the characters are written the same as men characters from well written movies. THERE FLAWED CHARACTERS. YOU KNOW ,HUMAN. These movies show everybody else's flaws except their own. These women are portrayed as perfect and shouldn't be put down for it.

[@andypocalypse]

@@ernestmuric6719 Yes they have Actual Character arks and progression... something lacking nowdays :(

[@jamalbryant8099]

Kill Bill and Charlie Baltimore are my favorite

[@andypocalypse]

@@jamalbryant8099 Indeed! all good :D

[@AshPrimeDCFC]

Disney Marvel have underestimated how many people care to watch their shows. A lot of people will see the trailers and wonder who the hell these "superheroes" in The Marvels are.

[@Grubnar]

In the movie ALIENS, Ellen Ripley does not become a "bad-ass" despite being female, she does it BECAUSE she is female. It is her Mother-instinct that drives her to overcome her fear, and decent into Hell at the end, to go and save Newt. "Parents will fight to the death to try and save their children!" - Col. Santiago. Sid Meyer's Alpha Centuri

[@Yoshi-dy7qg]

Buffy is a perfect character for a female audience. She's a typical girl who is interested in romance, she's beautiful and fashionable, but she's also emotional and vulnerable. She kicks ass but she still cries over a breakup. On top of that, male audiences also like her cause she has those realistic female characteristics. Just win-win really. Being honest about what people actually like is problematic these days.

[@smoothsketch]

Even traditional pre-woke plays are being changed in that the words are the same but the delivery is strong badass female personality with no vulnerability and it ruins the story.

[@hiddenbutdeadly]

"I think it's just about whether the movie's good" Y'know that would actually make people enjoy movies more..movies don't have to be a spectacle, a CGI heavy battle - or even about THE MESSAGE, just make a movie..that's good is that so much to ask for? just..good, a film people walk out from and go "hey..that was a pretty good movie!"

[@motherplayer]

Not as long as theaters are trying to convince you that a fight scene that looks like something on a T.V. show budget needs to be seen "on a big screen" like they are trying with The Marvels.

[@blackdynamite_5470]

That's why Barbie is the movie of the year

[@bghoody5665]

I think the thing about the character Ripley is that she's not necessarily a badass but more a reluctant hero. She isn't approaching the situation the same way Matrix from Commando would - she's more of the mindset "gotta do what you gotta do" and she's terrified about it, but she still does it. She's a very believable character.

[@Darghov]

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” PKD

[@arioch2112]

One additional point in Ripley's favor from the novelization of the script/director's cut or a deleted scene was Ripley in the hospital and she is chatting with the nurse and being told about her daughter who died while she was in cryo. I think this in Aliens was the only time it is mentioned that Ripley was a mother, and helped explain why she took to Newt as she did.

[@andrewzach1921]

I saw that scene broadcast on tv years ago. I only saw it once and I thought it made so much sense and why it wasn’t in the original cut.

[@christophertaylor9100]

Yeah it wasn't a necessary scene but it was a good one.

[@TheRealNormanBates]

it is in the Director's extended cut.

[@dlxmarks]

7:40 Whenever I see an actress mimicking male behavior to look "strong" I think of Harrison Ford's line in _Working Girl_ to Melanie Griffith: "You're the first woman I've seen at one of these things that dresses like a woman, not like a woman thinks a man would dress if he was a woman."

[@josephmayfield945]

The Descent always comes to mind when it comes to writing strong women.

[@obsidian00]

Absolutely...that movie still lives rent free in my psyche

[@wiinterflowers4277]

I'll say it once and I'll say it again: Neil Marshall should've been the one to direct a Black Widow movie!

[@HowToChangeName]

I must admire MCU dedication to finish what they started, even though its unpopular that nobody cares enough to read its synopsis

[@kurtl8425]

Another word for it is hubris.

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s nothing short of awe inspiring

[@fireironthesecond2909]

What are you talking about? The MCU finished with Endgame

[@kurtl8425]

@@fireironthesecond2909 agreed. The MCU died with Tony.

[@pdzombie1906]

Well, she shouldn't worry, if The Marvels makes a billion on the box office instead of being yet another flop, Disney will order a third movie... Jonah Jameson: Hahahaha... Are you serious?

[@kutulhumythos3410]

Juxtapose Ripley with Sarah Connor in the second Terminator film. She isn't trying to turn herself into a man; she's become a terminator herself, embodying every trait of the model that once tried to kill her. Muscled up and driven, she looks 100% lethal to any human that would stop her from reaching her goal. And like Ripley, Sarah regains her agency (and humanity) through her love of a child. How do modern filmmakers miss these classic themes?

[@ItsaKindOfMagic86]

because they listen to radical feminazism and "the message"

[@Droz75]

Growing up, I had Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Bruce Willis, Chuck Norris, Jean-Claude Van Damme, Harrison Ford, Jackie Chan, and Ray Stevenson as Titus Pullo to watch and wanted to be just like them. big, tough, strong males that entertained us. I can't for the life of me get that same feeling watching Bri Larsen and Roasario Dawson, even though I like her as an actor. Or Dasiy Ridley as Ray. People are going to say times have changed, haven't they? Pretty much all of these female lead action movies have flopped. Let's face it, men do action better; Hollywood has forgotten that, but we continue to remind them by not spending our hard-earned dollars watching their boring shit.

[@asmosisyup2557]

They're doing everything they can possibly think of, except make a good movie.

[@blueblazer9991]

Ms Marvel' powers are being Monkey D Luffy from One Piece but written by a person with no imagination or creativity

[@JackChurchill101]

Anyone remember Haywire with Gina Carano...? Even though she starts as a badass assassin, she's still always under threat and never acts like she's too good to be there, showing real moments of sensitivity and courage..

[@giulizpaviz6381]

It's honestly baffling how Hollywood thinks that a "strong female character" have to be a plank of wood without any weaknesses or flaws Vi from Arcane is a typical strong female character, but she does have moment of weaknesses (a lot of them): 1. she's traumatized, along with Powder, for the loss of her parents because of the war 2. Her overconfidence (especially when she's a teen) have indirectly bad consequences 3. her weakness is now her sister Powder who's mentally too far gone and she has to accept that, but logically she can't

[@harrydbastard]

The best thing that can happen to captain marvel is for Rogue to come in in a skin tight leotard and steal her powers or retcon her to be a figment of someone's imagination caused by thanos so none of her movies existed

[@CellUnlockExpress]

The farscape reference was on point

[@GIBBO4182]

The Marvels…a film nobody wants! 100% doesn’t need a sequel

[@TheWorldAdventure]

Im shocked no one mentioned Xena haha As campy as it was Xena had a great character. It hit all the boxes, bi strong kick ass character who could be vulnerable and was extremely flawed and trying to atone for past sins.

[@marbellaotaiza801]

Nah, she was a broadboss...

[@bilson7523]

9:00 Yes! She's a great example! We also see something in Aeryn we rarely see in other traditional girl boss characters in modern media: She gets her ass beat. Aeryn is incredibly capable, and is shown to be so, but her and the rest of the crew aren't invincible. Often times the goal is to escape rather than fight because Farscape cares about the world it is trying to depict. It makes her a better heroine because she actually perseveres through her failures. She doesn't just get a second wind and blow up starships at will, or just magically discover she can displace an entire mountain with her mind. She gets knocked down and gets back up, and as a result is way more relatable.

[@cpuuk]

I can't wait for it to be released, then we can forget all about it and move on like it never happened.

[@MillennialForChrist]

I'm just looking forward to Nerdrotic & Critical Drinker & especially Disparu torching The Marvels w/comedic & tasteful finesse!

[@Dash277]

Great insight on Barbie being feminine, as opposed to Marvel/Star Wars/ Star Trek/ Indiana Jones that tries to make females into stoic ass kicking male stereotypes. I didn't see Barbie but based on the trailers alone, she's feminine if nothing else.

[@mat2000100]

"Am I a joke to you?" -Lara Croft, AKA Rule 63 Indiana Jones.

[@TH3SHUR1F]

Glad to hear mention of Alita. Perfect modern example of a well-written female lead.

[@mavimurekkep9921]

"It is not the hill I'd want to die." That is a neat poetic expression of the situation, but I'm in much doubt that they have the decency to understand it.

[@sovereigndayyouthkafir3943]

Flaws don't just make us relate to a character. They also make us fear for their victory/survival, which makes us root for them as protagonists. She isn't the main character by any stretch, but I love the mother who's lost her husband in PUNISHER WAR ZONE: she loved her husband, she needs to take care of her daughter, and she's angry at Frank when he comes to give her a bunch of money. He even invites her to kill him. She can't not because she's the hero of the movie but rather because she just doesn't have it in her as a good human being; she knows killing him would put her in prison and leave her daughter alone. The whole time, I was still invested in her character.

[@karlfran0404]

The marketing for this stinker of a movie should be "Three unlikable Mary Sue's. One super villain. See them all die in terror! If we make $600m we promise never to make any more". A few re-soots will tweak this ending people want. People may pay for this.

[@realbadger]

Re: writing characters I write short-film scripts (usually dark comedy, with a hint [or strong overtones] of the paranormal). When I write, I sit down with the premise, and it's as though I'm taking dictation. The characters speak for themselves, and sometimes _I'm_ even surprised in the direction the story goes. But usually, as the guest indicates, my female characters tend to be the voice of reason. In one script a deadly warning has been issued, but the male's curiosity has been piqued, and his girlfriend has to point out she's seen enough horror movies to know this is a bad idea...

[@dinosaurwoman]

Most influential fictional female for me: Scully. Shew as treated as an equal, and all she wanted to do was get her job done. She was smart, respected, and could do just about anything. She wasn't focused on getting married and having babies or being a lesbian or putting men down. She worked WITH Mulder and Skinner, not against them. And when she did get pregnant, she was terrified and didn't know what to do. She also gave up her son because she knew he'd be in danger the rest of his life. An incredible woman whose sacrifices were absolutely undeniable.

[@keanugoldblum6137]

Women took over all the "boy brands" and ruined them. Men tuned out and ironically so did the women that were watching them too. Turns out, most people like men to be men and women to be women. I've been saying for years, there is zero audience for the "female action hero." Men typically like male action heroes (or a femme fatale type if it's going to be female) and women typically aren't watching action movies but when they do they usually prefer male as well.

[@Grubnar]

"... there is zero audience for the "female action hero." That is not entirely correct. There is a long list of both famous and popular "female action heroes". But nobody likes a "feminist action hero" ... not even feminists.

[@hickiwawa]

My daughter's a teen girl who enthusiastically watched every Marvel movie up to Guardians 3, and she said the Ms. Marvel show sucked.

[@aszhara2900]

My favorite example for how popular strong female characters are is Cynthia from the Pokémon franchise. Since her introduction over 15 years ago she is still one of, if not the most popular character in that franchise, and her entire thing is that she's the best. She's played up to be absurdly better than everyone else, always calm, has this aura of superiority and is actually hard to beat in the games for casuals. But it works because she is a complex character and a has colorful background story, you actually get to know her and find out why she is the way she is. I think the problem with a lot of "strong female characters" is not that they are "strong female characters", it's that they are written horribly.

[@DarksideModerator27]

She's even better in the manga.

[@AlmostEthical]

It's odd. It's as though some of these big companies did a demographic analysis of their fan base and decided to cut off the biggest demographic. Then they wonder why they are losing money.

[@alphacause]

There is a reason why there is no male oriented version of The Notebook or Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants. Those films appeal to females, because the themes expressed in those films speak, on some level, to the female experience or female aspirations. Trying to remake those films with male leads playing the female parts would come across as comical or offensive. So why would anyone in their right mind think that superhero films, which appeal to male nature and men's fantasies, would some how work well with a gender swap? Getting women to behave like men invariably will fail because it looks inauthentic.

[@Nickle_King]

The ones that do the most damage to the idea of female led films are the pathetic directors and writers not making a movie worth watching. It doesn’t matter if the lead of a movie is the most minority of minorities and the most female of females. If the writing was done with a crayon and a twitter post and the directing done by a giggling fool who has never considered an idea outside their own perspective, best case scenario nobody will care. Worst case, they will give the public the idea that these people shouldn’t be in films.

[@fattiger6957]

I've gone back into anime and manga in the last couple years and those industries are a perfect example of how you can have products for boys and girls and be successful. You have shonen franchises like Gundam, Dragon Ball and One Piece for boys and you have shojou franchises like Pretty Cure, Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura for girls. No one is trying to make Berserk into something like a girl series from Clamp. No one is trying to make magical girl heroines less cute and more manly. There are tough anime women (like Balsa from Seiren no Moribito) but they still retain feminine features and personality traits. It's not just changing male things to be more feminine. Western entertainment companies are obsessed with trying to force women into liking things that traditionally appeal more to men. It would be like if romance book publishers start changing their books to appeal to men who watch sports and drink cheap beer. What is so wrong with knowing your primary customers and keeping them happy?

[@EvilDoresh]

The _actual_ audience for these franchises has blurred over time, though. Plenty of shounen series can have a sizable female fanbase (especially One Piece). Some mangaka even seem to be "pandering" to potential female readers by including more bishounen character designs. Magical girl series seem to be actively attracting more male viewers ever since they started copying Super Sentai. _Pretty Cure_ is effectively part of the _Super Hero Time_ block that includes _Kamen Rider_ and _Super Sentai_

[@blazingmonolith4323]

This is facts, keep spitting brother!

[@fattiger6957]

@@EvilDoresh Of course there are a minority of people that don't fit the exact target demographic. Just like there has always been girls who read superhero comics. But that isn't to say that these genres have to be completely redesigned with that minority in mind. I don't think it's weird for a shonen or seinen show to feature bishi male characters. I've watched plenty of 90s male anime with very pretty male characters. The Magical Girl genre is kinda weird. It started off as a shonen genre with Go Nagai's Cutie Honey in the 70s. Then became a really girly thing in the 80s with things like Creamy Mami where it wasn't so much an action genre. Then in the 90s it became more oriented again with series Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura while still targeting girls. So I totally see the magical girl anime fitting in with super hero-ish shows since that's what the genre has been for over 30 years.

[@kevinhardy8997]

Sarah Connor was tough because she knew she was outmatched by the Terminator but kept fighting anyways.

[@scottjarvis123]

No one talks about Kara Thrace enough. She's a great example of a gender swap that works on all levels. Like Ripley, no one once ever mentions her sex/gender and Starbuck never puts men down to elevate herself. Ripley, Starbuck, and other great characters are great because they are written by talented writers, directed by competent directors, and portrayed by fantastic actors. Good characters, both male and female, have traits we empathize with, arcs that grow/develop them, they are presented as human and put into interesting scenarios. They dont engage in political grandstanding or take pot shots at real world political issues nor is thier sex/gender one of their defining characteristics.

[@kingrainbow5432]

I'm sort of glad she isn't acknowledged much, as much as I love Katee. If BSG got more attention, I'm terrified they'd make something...new with it.

[@nahuelleandroarroyo]

thet will never menton her because she is FLAWED, women cant have flaws!

[@TheRealNormanBates]

I still prefer my Starbuck to have a Dirk.

[@scottjarvis123]

@@TheRealNormanBates HAHAHA!

[@farmerned6]

Nope - Kara Thrace was a LAZY gender swap, Dont bother writing a new character , Just make Starbuck a girl Original BSG had Racial diversity with Boomer and Tighe re-imagined BSG , they are Race swapped Cylons 1970's Tigh was a competent XO 2000's Tigh was bitter depressed drunk Kinda a step backwards IMHO

[@mattduncan3869]

That quote at the beginning, "...it's just about whether or not the movie's good, especially that there are now more and more action or superhero movies with female leads" really sticks out to me because it's saying quality used to not be as important as pushing the types of films they wanted were.

[@boxglovemink9184]

The Halloween, Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street franchises all have some wonderful, strong female characters. In fact, a lot of horror movies have female leads who have to overcome adversity in order to survive; and they do this not because they are 'better than men', or look down on men; but merely by using their wits and abilities. Another modern movie with a good female lead, is "Shadow in the Cloud" (2020) starring Chloe Grace Mortez. While I feel the movie has a few shortcomings, it's not due to the Maude Garrett character, who beautifully conveys a believable, natural struggle to survive. The problem we're having is that it's the highly visible, big budget, Hollywood movies which are pushing the whole "men suck and women are perfect" mentality. We need this trend to not die a quiet death, but to crash and burn in a ball of flames that everyone sees happening.

[@Sun.Shine-]

As a female, I just wanna point out that at this point, I'd rather watch beautiful handsome strong men in spandex suits kicking butts in super hero films than preachy unlikable girl boss heroines. RIP Black Widow & Gamora 💐 And I didn't like Barbie ✌️

[@laurencecharles7919]

Let’s see how this one does while not be jammed between two of the biggest films ever made

[@wickedlester5320]

Why can’t Hollywood Marvels die with some dignity like the actual comics’ Captain Marvel. He was a man by the way… ooohhh I get it.

[@newtpondskipper]

Farscape was so well done and still one of my all time favorite shows.

[@spartanmuse]

If they want to waste money so badly then they'll do it.

[@AMUpton]

Love the Farscape shoutout, one of my favorite shows.

[@jamierussellville101]

A lot of us women go to certain movies because we are going with our husband/bf. It's easy to agree on a superhero movie or action movie. James Bond movies is the only action franchise I can think of that is a must watch in the theater for me. Im a casual movie watcher with most things my husband would be interested in. We generally don't watch the same shows or movies unless we make an effort to watch something together. I generally want some nice eye candy in my action movies anyway. If Im being honest. Lol.

[@christophertaylor9100]

Which is why every marvel superhero dude got his shirt off at least at one point in the film

[@GD-yl4lu]

Imagine catering for an audience that doesn't exist and then blaming an audience you didn't cater for when it fails. It's like blaming men for not watching women's football.

[@Genethagenius]

A great example of a strong female character done right (recently) is Two/Portia Lin from “Dark Matter”. (Great show that deserved a 4th season!)

[@matthiasheartman1342]

The bride - Kill Bill 1+ 2

[@kyriss12]

4th and 5th since that’s what was written and promised. But sci-fi channel is second only to fox when it comes to ditching good shows. 2 also had an in story reason for being able to fold guys twice her size like a pretzel since it was eventually revealed she was a biological android.

[@Genethagenius]

@@matthiasheartman1342 YES!!! Love those movies!!!

[@schumannresonanceswithverte]

She's not Captain Marvel, she's Major Mishap.

[@ephraimwinslow]

I think after so many years of confusion, I finally get it. Every woman has the same basic desire: to be special/exceptional. And then we decided to gear society, education, business, culture, etc. over to telling them that: yes. They are all in fact special, exceptional, powerful, independent, stunning, etc. Forgetting that women are socially fixated group thinkers. And when you get a *ROOM* full of people who want more than anything to think well of themselves, who've been told nothing but sweetly affirmative lies about how great they are since elementary school, who make all their decisions by committee... well... you get She Hulk. And Captain Marvel. And this upcoming clog in the sewer pipeline...

[@Enclavefakesoldier]

Live by the herd, die by the heard. Lemmings was inspired by a guy observing women for too long. "And when everyone's special...no one will be." - Syndrome, The Incredibles

[@ZimCrusher]

Not sure why you guys always forget to mention Lena Headey, in whatever role she plays, she is 100% believable as a strong woman. It never comes off as forced, or overacting. She played Cersei Lannister, Sarah Conner, and Mama (from Dread), and all of those were badd-a$$.

[@Rome__king]

hollywood has the most extreme echo chamber I have ever personally witnessed. Like you legit have to be in it to understand how far outside current events they are in. When ever I attempted to get into deep talks on actors and films they all had a somehow.... instantaneous reply that was EXACTLY the same no matter who I conversed with. Films will be bad for a long time until someone who is a true fan of each film and character. There are literal directors who main goal is to hoodwink an entire brand to built their own because they know without big nostalgic brands to trick fans... it is next to impossible for them to get eyes on them otherwise because they can literally not make NEW brands lol. They want all this woman power men bad narratives, thats fine but why cant you do it on your own lol the irony of using these "patriarchal" movies to make your chance screams.... no one watches unless you have a name from the bad men lol.

[@MrIluvbutts]

I guess you haven't seen one single conservative message board of any kind in the last five years

[@Rome__king]

name a single conservative WORLD NATIONAL kids film....I will wait.... idc what the politics are but you are high if you think conservatives have force fed us films for over 2 decades like disney has with their agendas for kids and family movies. But yea I will wait on the name of those "extreme right wing movies" take your time@@MrIluvbutts

[@MrIluvbutts]

@@Rome__king fox news.

[@Rome__king]

proved my point if you let kids watch fox news for family time you are more of a issue than any 2003 message board you have to physical spend time to find vs commercialized kids networks. You are either a child or an adult who thinks twitter provides great accurate information for kids and families lol!!!@@MrIluvbutts

[@Biscuits645]

I watched Mission impossible 2 for the first time in years at the weekend. Thandiwe Newton was absolutely brilliant in that film. She was intelligent, strong in all the right ways, she wasn't kicking the shit out of 6ft men with ease, but she used her wits to survive certain situations. She was vulnerable but didn't look weak. She was feminine, beautiful and genuinely an interesting character.

[@jimnoxious5671]

Good to see Reaper here! Love that channel! 😊😊

[@ShoutOfCoffee]

Damn patriarchy 🤣🤣🤣

[@garyyab]

ripley, supergirl. adrean , princess leia, xena, gabrielle, arya stark, sansa starrk, princess amadalla,tank girl, lois lane, nancy and alison from n.o.e.s. series , dark angel , storm , lavern and shirley, wonder woman, kate and allie, bat girl, dorthy, alice, these are only a few women bosses that came out long before this movement that is destroying the industry. these women were bad asses. they played strong and sensitive . they had nothing to prove. they just didnt back down . this female movement is not needed. it is nothing more than poorly written scripts that hide behind agendas these companies only utilize to shield there sub par work . if these communities were to pick up on just how there beliefs are being used only to protect poor quality , i sincerly feel they would not be so quick to defend as much.

[@saltiresamurai9215]

I like my comedy witty not wacky.

[@lovesegarra497]

Did they ever explain why Monica aged, but Brie Larsen didn't? Does Captain Marvel age? I had thought pre- captain marvel and endgame, that captain marvel was gonna be stuck in quantum realm with antman explaining why no one knew about her. No Captain Marvel was busy

[@jlev1028]

Having Kree blood in her veins must've made her immortal, I guess.

[@christophertaylor9100]

Its not unreasonable to assume that whatever the Kree did to her also changed her lifespan. But then, Captain America was supposed to be pretty ageless too and look what they did to him.

[@jamalbryant8099]

James Cameron, Joss whedon, Shane black, James Gunn, Quentin Tarantino are good at writing great female characters

[@davidanderson_surrey_bc]

Movies will stop sucking when they stop being franchises and return to being art; when they stop being social messages and return to being entertainment; and when they stop focusing on DEI and return to telling engaging stories.

[@pygmalion137]

The Japanese write the best female super heroes. Besides Alita, one of the best all-female superheroes that are loved by boys and girls, men and women, has cultural impact around the world even decades after its final season is Sailor Moon series. The lead character, Sailor Moon, is a cry-baby, rather dumb, lazy, but very lovable and feminine, she never tried to be macho, bad ass or kick ass girl, in fact all of her weapons and super powers are all very girly and yet, people love her, her fans are not just children, but also adults, both men and women. Even Chrissie Mayr cosplayed her in Anime Matsuri just last month, right Drinker? :)

[@EvilDoresh]

Osaka from Azumanga Daioh is my spirit animal. They really captured the human condition with her.

[@EvilDoresh]

@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo It also makes for interesting character development. A lot of magical girl stories feature what is basically just some dumb kid being thrust into a role which they (at least initially) are not qualified for. Now if you compare the character from the start of the manga to the same one from the end, you generally notice they've grown quite well into the role. They might still have all their personality quirks, but they know when to get serious.

[@bryanbishop2377]

It's ironic that they say these movies are not made for men. Women don't want to watch women unless the character is having drama with a man! Women want to watch romantic relationships. Even if it's about a Queen they want to see her relationships with men. Wonder Woman has a thing with a man, too! So, these female super heroes are aimed at women, but women aren't really watching. Maybe, it's really aimed at gay men? 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ferrarriohh]

They are made for a phantom audience which live the the heads of the comics stans, like Kelly Sue Deconnick herself, and envisions an audience of teen females aka girls, who while some may like this stuff and Rey Skywalker, usually like other random stuff. & Gay men will just watch Captain America again, for shirtless Chris Evans, a movie with an actual plot & story arc.

[@bryanbishop2377]

@@ferrarriohh That's my point. The "modern" audience is small at best, and not going to make money for the company that finances these movies. The creators are delusional, or don't care.

[@Cheers_Mcgee]

Man I loved Farscape, what a show!

[@WillFredward7167]

The message of modern gender-fluid storytelling: We are all sooooo individual and sooooo unique that all characters must be the same

[@matt_r.2510]

Claudia Black was excellent on Farscape. She was tough and capable but still acted and moved like a woman.