"Drive Rush is killing a generation of players"

[@SFtheWolf]

I can't wait until street fighter 7 when the new mechanic will be everything wrong with kids these days and 6 will be elevated as the true choice for intellectuals

[@smoothsavage2870]

Happens to every fighting game franchise after every new release.

[@ds6972]

@@smoothsavage2870 More so with SF. SF has no problem introducing mechanics that fundamentally challenges the status quo.

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

​@@ds6972It was really funny to see Tekken players have to deal with it for once with T8.

[@ds6972]

@@P0rk_Sinigang So true. Arslan struggled and griped about it at the beginning. Even Mena called SF6 "scrubby" at the beggining. Now he emphatically see SF6 as better and more fun than SFV. Fighting games are still games. If you are not having fun... it makes for miserable streaming. LOL

[@SFtheWolf]

@@smoothsavage2870 I still remember when everyone was screaming bloody murder saying that capcom turned marvel into a dumb game for babies with mvc2.

[@rockyino99]

"FADC is killing a generation of players" "v-trigger is killing a generation of players" "drive rush is....

[@DevilRising]

2 decades later it don’t change. Humans are the same every time

[@Agonystt]

Exactly lol

[@BlackMetalVayu]

@@rockyino99 this so much

[@DocDarkAngelo]

@@DevilRising Instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed it on the beast.

[@vsfirebullet8716]

V-trigger was considered corny all the way to the end of SF5. That never changed.

[@catchmyscoober]

The biggest change from V to 6 for me is starting the round with full bar to go crazy off the bat. In V you'd have to build up to the craziness

[@scarletdynamogaming9334]

Absolutely nobody says this but it’s is true. First official number sf you start with full meter

[@SharkWithFreakinLaserBeam]

That's the biggest change for everyone and it was literally what was most talked about pre and post launch.

[@DPSM914]

You ever thought about doing more informative analysis type content? Like how you approach certain matchups? I feel like you have these ideas you start to explain during the match but then get side tracked because you’re in the zone. Would be interested in hearing all of what you have to say in those times

[@abdullahabubakar8344]

Same thing, I see these titles and think there's going to be more discussion which I'd love to hear from Idom's POV, but its usually just game play footage and a smattering of chats

[@markmessi9020]

The main thing i hate about drive rush is it eats your input. I can see it xoming so many times but the black screen into green eats the defenders next input. You have to play around THAT too

[@universalman5861]

It doesn't eat normals and supers. So, it LIMITS outputs which it SHOULD otherwise why charge rush to begin with?

[@remylebeau34]

@@markmessi9020 it eats my elbow drop as Kim every time, it's infuriating 🤣 i would land directly on top of the opponent and interrupt them, get a counter hit into a medium etc but instead I end up jumping over them with Jmp and getting hit on landing, it doesn't even make sense lol the down input is held so if anything it should be eating the mp

[@soramercury7074]

@@remylebeau34 what dr does is causing a freeze and changing timings this way. the inputs are actually not eaten, but just being misstimed and moves do not come out because of it. "big nasty kail" made a video about it a while ago. it seemed to make sense and solutions would be to just mash inputs, if i remember correctly... because then you will hit the buttons late enough automatically. still stupid though...

[@remylebeau34]

@soramercury7074 I could be wrong but I watched fchamp talk about it and what he said was the opposite, tbh I got annoyed with big nasty kail for that video since it definitely does eat inputs, if it was just mistiming in this game there's a buffer window, which is why what fchamp says made sense, he said you can hold the button, say the normal you're trying to check drive rush with, and it will register, which you can see happening in training or replays with the inputs visible. It still doesn't fully make sense to me why my elbow drop input gets messed up though lol so I'm not saying you're wrong or anything. I honestly don't know enough about it myself but I would think its like a super freeze how if your input is before the super then it's basically already registered and will come out after the freeze, but if your input is during the freeze it gets cancelled, just with a much shorter freeze. As for my elbow drop problem... I dunno haha I guess maybe holding the button only works for buttons not directions

[@soramercury7074]

@@remylebeau34 well, holding the input could be similar in outcome to mashing it like i said, but f-champ talked about checking dr in neutral. when we talk about checking it this way, there should be no requirement to timings, since we are not doing cancels. but other than that, i think there really is a timing issue in those other cases, BUT eaten inputs in your case might as well... i'm not a kimberly player and so i just jumped into training mode and learned how the elbow drop works... so from what i understand, the requirement for the move to come out is a jump forward and being at the highest point of it. and the buffer is like crazy, since you can do the down + mp input right away, just after the jump. there really should be no room for a slowdown to fuck with timings, lol. the only question for me would be, why you rely on a move to check dr that can be antiaired out of it, just with dp. but better than just only jumping, when you happen to be airborne anyways. other than that, i heard pros complain about inputs being eaten here and there, but it's just like it's the easiest way to name the problem and not the most analytical one. so i went with what kail said, since to me it absolutely made sense and now that i rewatched a part of it, it does even more. but it really seems to be an incomplete analysis, given what the elbow drop issue is, lol. makes no sense at all.

[@Jx3aBy88]

I love drive rush and sf6 , just hit master rank with Luke, playing with Lili n chun li now… love ya FGC

[@AdamJorgensen]

They added Wild Assault to Strive and it was fun for a week or two and then started to feel the same as Drive Rush 😂 The weird thing is I like YRC slingshot tricks from Xrd

[@КарлКарыч]

20:58 perfect transition doesnt exi...

[@kneelb4chevelle]

I'm loving your regular content brother. But you gotta get that bit rate figured out. It's pixeled like crazy on YT.

[@nickwhitegames]

It's usually KZbin. I have a few examples where my actual file is amazing quality but KZbin just bitcrushes the shit out of it with their bad codecs. Edit: Could be his source settings though.

[@faurynunes]

Drive Rush from buttons costing 3 bars are ok, the problem is raw drive rush costing 1 bar. It's too cheap and too good to not use.

[@Shuja_R1M]

Didn't they change Drive Rush from buttons post launch to 3 buttons? Thought that was a great change

[@MandMGames]

Completely agree. It's either this or get punished harder for getting hit during raw DR. Feels like this game is a house of cards just waiting to fall apart

[@In_Cognito_EN]

Aki players will not be happy about this change for sure lol

[@KidArkx]

Yeah but if characters like gief and manon needed tp pay 2 bars for their oki after every move they would just burn themself out and auto lose

[@Shuja_R1M]

@ oh damn. That’s actually a very fair point bro. Not sure then man. Devs get paid to figure out this shit lol

[@radfield6089]

they just need to reduce the speed of drive rush so its checkable at longer distances and normalize this speed throughout the cast. Everyone should have like geifs drive rush and then its completely fair but still good.

[@dauntehall9213]

They probably can't do that because of how combo structure is in this game

[@eliholland1365]

Okay i haven't watched the video yet but that is a goddamn title. Sounds like something from a congressional hearing Vietnam. iDOM, dressed in a facsimile Bison miltary costume, reporting to the DOD: "I have see countless of our finest go overseas only to lose in neutral... to turn green and never come home. The ones that do make it back... forever changed... scarred by their lack of footsies."

[@EAprima]

6 mins in and still no DR topic discussed. Does he talk about DR or not? What time ode does the talking start? Don't like clickbait or misleading titles that implies discussion but nothing happens.

[@Andy_184M]

DR discussion starts at 22:03 and goes deep on the subject 👀

[@Kitsurugisan]

Bro this man is a legend. He's the one person that will speak the truth no matter what.

[@finatics5385]

Drive rush is simple boring. The main difference between great players and everyone else is that Great players can/will WALK forward and play proper neutral. Everyone else walks backwards, neutral jump, DRIVE RUSH, or use moves that move the character forward. They are afraid to walk unless the opponent is DOWN on the ground.

[@themagnifly]

Walking your opponent down is the critical essence 🤌 of neutral/ footsies. It's the sweet science of what makes sf skill based, and it's also a lot of fun once you learn how to do it.

[@evilweevle]

​@@themagniflyi been doing this a lot more lately as i get used to playing footsies/neutral more (after many years of playing fighting games) and its a lot of fun just walking forward at unusual moments. Can can just walk under a lot of jumpins or walk up in peoples face and throw them 😂. I saw a few people say that neutral can be very abstract and hard to really teach. You just need to get a feel for it in game and have knowledge of behaviours to really get the most from it.

[@Snow_is_Phertil]

“Drive rush can be simple boring” fixed it.

[@Zenopid]

the problem is that everyone uses drive rush the same way, and everyone has the same counter play to it: do it first or let every other part of ur game suffer to react to it ur char is completely static in this game, no ultras, v triggers/skills, or supers to pick from to adjust, can't be too unique cuz of its a system based game so u won't have an answer in ur kit execution has been changed from peaks and valleys to just being consistent. used to be only a few people could do the optimal combos enough to form a gameplan around them , now any mid+ tier player can do optimal drive rush combos if only some chars wanted to press buffered medium into dr, and some wanted ex moves, some wanted reversals, etc, on top of the follow up combo being hard, the mechanic wouldn't be complained about as much even if it was just as strong

[@Longlostpuss]

As I said some time ago, they need to reverse the spends for DR. Neutral DR should be 2.5 bar spend and on hit confirm it should be 1.5 bar spend to encourage extended combos and creativity (maybe scale the damage a bit to accommodate that). If you make it more expensive to neutral DR, people will have to use it more sparingly and tactically. Removing it altogether would completely destroy this game, we'd be going back to SFV and I presume nobody wants that. This game should play a bit like SF4, I really loved the FADC system, even though most had a problem with the 1 frame links that made it work (I personally didn't)

[@In_Cognito_EN]

B-but playing neuch is scary without my trusty green slime...

[@ri_c_e]

fk it we dash

[@GenderNeutch]

I'm wondering if iDom (or any other SF6 pros) might consider picking up Fatal Fury when it comes out next year. Seen from the competitive side of things prize pools probably won't be anywhere near Street Fighter, but to anyone who has gripes with the system mechanics, FF might feel at least a bit less volatile and more neutch-focused?

[@BravadoLuciano]

Tbh when I used manon her biggest weaknesses were when I could dominate neutral with my good buttons and the opponent would drive rush in and the fact that I couldn’t drive rush back. So I could see how this would irritate idom a manon player, its like you need to drive rush at her because she dominates the whiff punish game

[@lukdb]

Buff Manon drive rush.

[@jayro792]

This is why turning her 3HK (fallback side switch kick) into a special move would be great for checking drive rush. It could be a special move that low profiles, gives oki, slides out further the stronger the Kick version, with the OD version having faster startup and activation and puts opponents into a juggle state.

[@elcesaru]

​@@jayro792dafuq is 3 ffs write properly

[@kuaikukia]

I think DR is ok. it just some character damage scaling need to nerf after doing DR. I main Manon since day 1 launch

[@mattb6616]

@@jayro792 it may currently be her best anti-air when cornered and it's undervalued for that. it has the most disjointed hitbox/hurtbox, it side switches, and hitting it punish counter actually gives you very good oki.

[@isaacmeredith9421]

Ok but I disagree I think ed has the best anti air… literally just heavy kick and it’ll work most of the time

[@Phoenix_KDE]

Every new mechanic in a fighting game that gets a new iteration kills every generation of players

[@EEEp0w3r]

I'm sorry to hear that. I think SF6 is a fantastic game! I also wonder if playing competitively diminishes the experience for those who only focus on that. It could also be the choice of maining Manon! 🙂

[@djbowlz2128]

I remember in sf4 no one checked dashes. Then in sf5 everyone checked dashes. I think the same thing will happen with drive rush.

[@laffy7204]

When I was playing Dhalsim, I would drive rush jab a lot to stop the opponent from driverushing at me

[@yohan4027]

Anyone know the name of the tune Idom put at the end of his vid? 22:13

[@StubenhockerElite]

The problem qith the drive system is, that a game of SF6 without using DI, parry or DR just makes more fun. The reality of SF6 is Medium u to DR into strike throw and every character does the same thing. Also, the fucking time Shops every two seconds make the game borderline unplayable for me. It's non stop splooshing and splashing and my good if i hear another psssshhhh i'm gonna freak!

[@manleyfgc7981]

You actually emphasize a main issue well

[@ReginaldVannison7777]

That’s how I feel at the moment when playing with Lily. I can safely say Laura would change our opinion greatly on DR lol.

[@Un1234l]

@ 0:15 oo is that the counter to Rashid SA2? Not just hoping you can invincible on reaction to a forward move? 😅

[@DocDarkAngelo]

8:45 Yeah it's just SF6 who got a Demon flip with 3 different distance depending on the button xD

[@ledgy69]

Been playing sf4 all day. Absolutely makes it feel like SF6 is watered down. I have 750 hours, 3 characters master and I love SF6. Geez sf4 was a reality check though with how much more diverse the game is

[@studentoflife8532]

I think drive rush is a good design. I understand that it highly depends on the character but having an answer to lame players feels really good. I understand that fundamentals do include being careful and slowing it down but there has to be a point where it's so boring that it's a problem. SFV in the later stages had that exact problem. Then there's the characters that are designed in such a way that they can completely avoid footsies. I do not miss being forced to chase chun li in 3rd strike to prevent her building meter for simply existing. Why? Because her walk speed and normals are so good that it's so hard to do anything about what she wants to do. If everyone could play like that then yea, neutral skips like drive rush is a problem but when this so called slow and controlled fundamentals only become useful for top tiers then there needs to be an answer for it.

[@DownBadGaming69]

I'm really glad capcom doesn't listen to you guys

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

Same lol, I think drive rush is super cool

[@interceptingfist5682]

Probably because you hate neutral ​@@Runk3lsmcdougal

[@ds6972]

@@interceptingfist5682 What is so special about the old neutral? SF has always introduced mechanics that challenged previous mechanics. Parry, Focus Attack, Focus Cancel, V-Trigger, Supers, etc. Som eplayers just see the previous games with rose tinted glasses, especially when they dont achieve the same success (i.e. iDom).

[@problemsnearyou8899]

@@ds6972I agree drive rush is great but idom is definitely having success . Making it into Capcom Cup with Manon is a feat in itself . I just think he’s bias cause Manon’s DR should be named drive step . It’s pitiful

[@ds6972]

@@problemsnearyou8899 Agree. Manon cant take advantage of Drive Rush like Gief, Ken, Cammy, etc. And yes, I should say iDom is successful compared to 99.99999% of SF players. I do wish he was as successful as SFV iDom.

[@letmefeelthevibes]

iDom complaining about the game ? Noooooo, i'm shocked.

[@artchie2k843]

bitrate?

[@louisfacade]

Man where is outfit 4's @?

[@saunterrrr]

Part of me feels like the more we adapt with the game. Itll be less and less effective.

[@themagnifly]

People don't raw drive rush too much down here in the gold ranks, so it's not a factor for most players, and the game remains fun... also, if it was up to me, using raw drive rush should either be less safe or require more resources (meter)etc, but this change would be for pros like you, it wouldn't effect me much at all. 🙂

[@Longlostpuss]

I think you'd be really good with Jamie, Idom, why don't you try maining him?

[@nayrx69]

Never hearing of Nexusmods is actually wild.

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

NMs is woke af

[@KornWithaK]

Tbf not everyone cares about the modding scene like that

[@KornWithaK]

@@Runk3lsmcdougalabsolutely wild take

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

@@KornWithaK it's true lol they won't allow mods that unGheyy characters in games, but allow Gheeying characters . Same with transformers

[@koku--]

@@Runk3lsmcdougal if that's the shit gets you mad, then you really need to get off the computer lol

[@VDViktor]

Make dr stop eating inputs, that’d be a start

[@problemsnearyou8899]

Ngl I may share this opinion if I played Manon

[@ideliasjohnson5560]

i still think vtrigger is better. had more options and also changed up combo routes

[@Ramsaur]

Why you gotta put me on blast like that Idom 😢

[@nickfilmaker]

Honestly, i dont think DR is too diferent of KOF low jump.

[@arthurgomes9248]

How you can be salty and also so polite at the same time?

[@Bruh-bi6yi]

hes holding it in LOL

[@dumpsta-divrr365]

8:46 disgusting how carried akuma is

[@phaze12490]

Im waiting for omega sf6

[@emanuellinnear3209]

Cool gonna keep my opinion short an sweet too. Womp Womp 😂

[@shaieresmirnoff]

You didn’t have to do Rashid like that….(

[@Dude902]

5:09 sad to say Bad Cop Manon skin is a real mod

[@le13dan]

I don't mind drive rush too much. Drive impact on the other hand is just a big wtf. Why have a mechanic that slows down the game turns almost every interaction into a guess and forces opponents into the corner on maps that are already small to begin with because of drive rush? I made master and now I hate the game all because drive impact slows everything down.

[@nickkiller-0710]

at this point what really irks me about dRush (and aggressive options overall in SF6) is that the game just feels so darn biased towards the agressor. If the opponent hits me with their dRush they basically get a punish counter while they slide towards me, letting them confirm into a knockdown pretty easily, meanwhile if I interrupt it I just get a counter hit that can be very awkward to convert out off, shit doesn't even take away their drive. When I'm playing Chun, a lot of the times I catch a DR I don't have charge so I actually have to spend 2 bars just to get a knockdown, it's actually pretty hard to stop someone from just rotating through every single get in tool they got until you eventually slip up. Aggressive options should be strong but playing gimmick fighter almost every match is so annoying.

[@hazeion]

Everybody complained about turtling in other games, and now they are complaining about being agressive. The aggressive player who is ATTACKING should win most of the time in a FIGHTING game. This is not GUARDING game. Make Drive Reverse better for the turtlers out there.

[@manleyfgc7981]

​@@hazeionI don't remember much complaining about turtling but go off king

[@nickkiller-0710]

@@hazeion I literally said offensive options should be strong in my comment, that's like Fighting Game Design 101 my main complaint is that you can get too much mileage from just flailing in this game and it's kinda hard to dissuade that, it ends up deemphasizing the more interesting aspects of the game, I feel. Also yeah this isn't a guarding game, it's a random perfect parry into backthrow game lol

[@NineEight_Nine]

I thought 1f links and FADC killed us all lol

[@Sco6014]

Raw drive rush should be more than 1 bar

[@gameclips5734]

that stream quality

[@han3wmanwukong125]

I have never seen a game of SF6 where people were so completely unwilling to play the neutral because they have a fake neutral-skipping mechanic built into the game. It's so wild to me.

[@xCantalupox]

Drive Rush=Bad. Again. Mild Shock.

[@pandabs6845]

20:59 how it be sometimes

[@4dtimebeing]

mm kolin theme

[@maforo85]

Drive Rush ?? Drive Impact in general.

[@peteroneill1859]

All the fgc does is complain about every single street fighter that comes out. Nothing new 😔

[@hotdog5927]

drive rush = neutral

[@stayfocusedJV]

Dude used the cheap Larua tactics to win in SFV but complaining about drive rush. He wouldn't have the skill to compete in 3rd Strike or SF4

[@hazeion]

Drive rush is fine.. and its fun. Gives you something unique to do in neutral rather than just hunting and pecking. If anything just make it so it can only be cancelled off of heavies or something.

[@yellow4525]

Its only fun if you enjoy rock paper scissors

[@TheJakeJackson]

Just say that you have no sense for spacing and be done with it

[@paulsr.1090]

Drive rush turns a bunch of unique characters into a bunch of skins all trying the same strategy.

[@bigfitts]

​@paulsr.1090 this is true

[@hazeion]

​@@TheJakeJackson Its okay man you can just suck in sf6 and when they remove it in sf7 and you can get back to jiggling your joystick hunting for a low forward into special, you can then say "SEE THIS IS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT"

[@NycroLP]

this channel just oozes negativity

[@rumble108]

Bro I agree

[@reggiemoore755]

Nah drive rush doesn't give me anywhere near as many problems and di putting pressure on someone and boom di now I'm in the corner getting wrecked becuse I can't guess right no need for neutral just neutral skip and di for the win

[@diogobocalon2159]

That’s the typical whining of people who deliberately choose to play characters who don’t have a confirmable low forward in this game

[@mattb6616]

i don't even think manon's low forward is bad. it has great range and links into 5mp on counter hit or punish, aka 90 percent of the time you'll connect a low forward, at almost every range but the tip of her big ass foot and she gets everything she needs off a standing strong. its just that you need to be good at the game and actually hit the link instead of braindead cancel buffer option select shit

[@superpowerman4354]

Facts

[@RaiseTheRufus1992]

I think of all the top players you definitely have the worst mindset

[@BlackMetalVayu]

All this dude does is complaining 24/7

[@VDViktor]

@@BlackMetalVayu right? It’s way better to just shut up and consume subpar product and be happy, and keep consuming. Kinda like you. Right?

[@BlackMetalVayu]

Subpar... Lmao

[@ds6972]

iDom: I hate Drive Rush. You should really just play another game. I feel that this game is sucking your soul. You are in an abusive relationship. It is OK to walk away.

[@smoothsavage2870]

This is the game where he made a name for himself, so that likely isnt gonna happen.

[@ds6972]

@@smoothsavage2870 I get it. But he is so miserable. It seems he is just wanting to play SF5 again. Every SF introduces a major mechanic change. This what makes SF unique to other fighting games. It forces you relinquish old knowledge and skill and acquire new ones. Even "foundational" ones. Parry, Focus Attack, V-Trigger, Supers, etc. And now the Drive system. All of these mechanics forced players to change. It just sad to hear him gripe in EVERY video. I mean EVERY video. The dude is skilled. No doubt. But he is so miserable. At this point, it seems he is just chasing the checks.

[@smoothsavage2870]

@@ds6972 I'm not trying to be argumentative when i say this, but there are definitely other game franchises that implement new systems with every release. MK has done that since MK9 (i believe earlier than that, but idk the game's mechanics well farther back than 9 and yes i know MK is the crappy FG). But now Tekken has done the same with their Heat system. Not sure about the others though. It really just boils down to people not liking change tbh. Some like it, some accept it for what it is and some just never like it. I think the resolution for this is to keep some of the older games in play for major tournaments with maybe half the current game's cash prizes. Ik that only sounds good in theory though. I dislike that we're all forced to leave the old games behind and only focus on the new and watch some of the pros get left behind because of it.

[@artenstien7100]

Problem is for a pro the only games with proper sponsorship and online popularity right now are T8, Strive, and SF6.

[@royaleagledrive]

bro ur video is on bad quality u need tu build ur connexion ty

[@sharpenmysight5954]

Im glad someone said it cause this not street fighter and not the standard this isn’t street fighter like fundamentally doesn’t play like any street fighter ever and has drifted away from what street fighter actually is

[@Fk8td]

I think you shouldn’t be able to KO someone from stuff like a jab to the knees. It would make the game better. I think single jabs and light pokes should be recoverable damage and mediums or heavy be actual damage. It would make it a lot more strategy instead of what it is now.

[@azizkash286]

Bruh stop clipping your vids and upload a structured vid for once

[@adamjones7014]

during the honeymoon period, when people were still learning the game & tf we were relieved it wasn't sfv .. when that ran it's course .. I never returned to sf6 because of drive rush.

[@saintxeno777]

Sf5 ruined a generation of players with how bad the game was and how laggy the online was lol it took 6 years for it to get good lol and the netcode was still horrible.

[@manleyfgc7981]

You must be new to FGs because SFV pre-covid as well as all FGs had pretty bad netcode and the offline communities were more important. Yeah, every game has good online now for a reason but there's also a reason online wasn't as good in the past.

[@saintxeno777]

@@manleyfgc7981 skullgirls killer instinct he’ll even mortal kombat 11 had better netcode also let’s not forget that sfv had the worst launch of any street fighter no story mode only like 10 characters lol bad online and bare bones gameplay ? Literally almost killed the franchise ? You must be new. not including super boring to watch .8 frames of delay enough said

[@rafdes]

So much complaining. Play something else if you don’t like it.

[@saltIV]

I’ll block this wack ass mixup

[@DaRealKing_Roomie]

I feel like the main issue with the game is some characters ability to straight up abuse there already better move set and plus buttons with raw drive rush making things impossible to react to or play against

[@Simpanzee0313]

I just deleted this game a week ago. To me this just isn’t Street Fighter. We’ve always had some form of neutral skip but when your entire game’s identity is a mechanic made to do that it ruins it.If you don’t like the game then do yourself a favor and delete it.

[@baskurthakan93]

I stopped playing SF6 after reaching masters as a Manon main for exact same reason. I play now solely Tekken, not knowing 10k moves is better than constantly mixed up with RUSH, PLUS ON BLOCK, UNREACTABLE, SAFE, UNSCALING DMGING move. Also corner gambling game is disgusting. If I want to play gambling I can go to casino directly.

[@KingdomEnd]

Tekken 8 literally has the same "problems" as sf6 if not worse.

[@VDViktor]

Tekken 8 is a 50/50 fest, same sht

[@jj4cx423]

Tekken 8 rn is even more of a gambling game than sf6

[@mattb6616]

bitching about gambling and then saying you play tekken 8 is pure comedy