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@stephencutting40616 жыл бұрын
Rick Shiels Golf was a regular until my driver fitting today. Now a stiff in a Ping g 400 max, standard length. Mental as I went in thinking I needed a shortened regular shaft.
@daltonbeougher76 жыл бұрын
Stiff Flex
@elliottjones19916 жыл бұрын
X-stiff tipped one inch
@bobbysale81036 жыл бұрын
Aldila tour ATX 65 on a stiff flex
@NUFC_STEVE836 жыл бұрын
Rick Shiels Golf I'm stiff 😜
@aidangriffiths50755 жыл бұрын
"don't get bogged down thinking shaft is everything" -Rick Shiels You're right man, never forget the balls
@thedude17445 жыл бұрын
Aidan Griffiths I tell my wife this
@rjpena95295 жыл бұрын
Hahahah
@Will-gk8je5 жыл бұрын
I read that comment at the exact moment he said that lol
@elixir96595 жыл бұрын
@@thedude1744 Ask her if she wants regular or stiff.
@allendalephillips5 жыл бұрын
Beat me too it lol
@mikejsmith19883 жыл бұрын
I think what we’ve learned here is, Rick could probably hit a perfectly straight 300 yard drive using a broom.
@joean63802 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@foodreacts8375 ай бұрын
not anymore
@ldh73955 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see this test carried out by some one with a swing speed of 80/85 mph and then see what the difference would be. As we have seen Rick you can pretty much hit anything
@kvgolfa5 жыл бұрын
Lord Daniel Hagan Would make even less difference
@davethoroughgood4 жыл бұрын
No flex no distance. Surely the flex makes a huge difference at slow swing speeds!
@peadarr4 жыл бұрын
It probably makes more of a difference if there's a flaw in your swing. A whippy shaft could make bad fade into a worse slice
@sausagembape6774 жыл бұрын
Lol
@Mr.mallaer4 жыл бұрын
Paul H That’s exactly right. Long driving golf champion Kyle, said that he used lower flex shafts for his long drive competition because the flex produces more speed and distance, but reduced accuracy, and accuracy is not the priority in long drive, all you need is one good hit out of 8 tries. When he plays regular golf he uses stiffer shafts for better accuracy.
@bradfortner89212 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see this test compared to a slower swing speed player under the same conditions. I honestly think a lower swing speed player would struggle to get the stiff and extra stiff off the ground, but your speed is enough to actually flex those shafts.
@roadrider7john24511 ай бұрын
FWIW- I have an 85mph clubhead speed (moderate tempo) with a driver and just finished a full set fitting using Trackman with multiple different shafts (A,R,S of different makes) in both irons and 'long' clubs (driver, fairways, 3/4 hybrid). Found an A flex shaft that gave me significantly more distance & accuracy, but observed little difference between shafts with the long clubs. Of course my swing feel was different with A-flex vs stiff, but actual distance/accuracy was quite similar. Very surprising to me, but fitter observed I tend to go after my long clubs harder so load the shaft differently.
@ernbone3 жыл бұрын
Rick...Thanks for this video...I've been struggling with the idea of changing the shaft on my Big Bertha...I hit it just fine with the stiff shaft that I have but my friends tell me I could get more distance if I switched to regular or senior... I'm 71 and after watching this video I'm convinced that it just won't make enough difference to affect my game... "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
@h.l.47233 жыл бұрын
The difference between Rick and you are on the polar oppposite. Rick is still able to generate alot of swing speed, which might have little impact on which shaft he uses. While you won't be able to genereate a fast natural swing speed like Rick here. My best bet would be for a slower swing speed, you should get fitted to the A shaft since it might create more bend on your shafts with your slower swing speed.
@davechavezjr53992 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick! This comparison was super helpful! I have been using a Regular flex since I started playing. I am now almost 75 years old and I have found my swing speed slowing down, plus I have really shorted my back swing to achieve more control and accuracy. I think I have reached the A-flex category. 😀
@Dynamic3DLtd5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you just saved me upgrading to an X-FLEX!
@mrwaltermathews3 жыл бұрын
Im getting an X-FLEX today. I think this isn't accurate into a screen. Maybe Im wrong ill know by this evening.
@geordiejazzman2 жыл бұрын
Just got back into Golf after 20 years and I'm obviously struggling, however, your videos have been an enormous help. Keep the faith!
@garykasza47042 жыл бұрын
A great demonstration of different shaft flex's. I believe that each manufacturer have their own flex standards. Thanks, Rick, very enjoyable to watch your demos: clubs, balls and now shafts.👍
@_Rustodian5 жыл бұрын
I have a driver swing speed of 110mph and use a 55g regular shaft. I've hit X stiff most of my life but I tried the regular for a laugh and it felt so nice. It took me a while to get over the ego thing, but eventually I swapped it into my driver. It go's great.
@ahmadhanifah6176 жыл бұрын
Let's get players with different swing speeds particularly from the low average side tests these shafts to see if there is any difference....
@user-ci4ht2ds8b22 күн бұрын
I agree. I would like to see this comparison with a swing speed of 80 mph
@redbullrobert5 жыл бұрын
Great video, Rick! One thing I did notice that the R-flex and S-flex have a same weight, with X-flex being the heaviest and A-flex being lightest. Considering the results, I was wondering if the weight, rather than flex, could possibly be a bigger factor in different results.
@jonuke43435 жыл бұрын
Really interesting. I've just bought a complete set of Callaway clubs, alright they're twenty years old (X12 irons and Big Bertha Warbird driver, 3 & 5 woods) they cost fifty quid in a charity shop.. Because I'm over fifty and haven't played for twenty years I was slightly concerned about the shafts being rated as stiff. This has made me a bit more relaxed.
@charlieclark5922 жыл бұрын
I am a senior golfer and I really appreciate this study I have not found any different than any other shops and I've tried to keep up the good work
@goodkawz5 жыл бұрын
Helpful video. Thanks. I’m another one who wants to know how much flex matters for slower speed swing like mine. And for clubs other than driver. I’m 74. Love my new Ping G400 driver at 12º with senior flex. My good drives are about 200. Thought it was the senior flex that was making a big positive difference. But now I’m thinking it could be adjusting my swing a bit, higher loft, and confidence. Better distance and usually in the short grass. Now I’m looking for probably a Cobra F9 or F8 3/4 (bafflers) fairway wood. And now I’m thinking I can maybe go for either senior (or ladies) or regular flex. Maybe not much difference between senior and regular flex for my slow swing. I’m guessing the flex won’t change my 3 wood distance more than a couple yards. This video is very helpful. I’ll keep researching. Also I’m encouraged that I probably won’t need to worry about switching to a stiffer flex when I suddenly get a lot stronger or faster. 😏
@rfh55256 жыл бұрын
Great video as always.. The numbers are very similar but the dispersion for the X flex vs the A flex is much better for a swing speed similar to Rick's. You will be straighter and hit more fairways so it is still important to get fitted for the right flex for your speed.
@jasonl.43244 жыл бұрын
I really thought there would be a much larger difference. I hit regular but I happen to have a driver with a senior flex. Im taking it to the range next week. Im intrigued! Thanks Rick. Im a returning player after not playing for years. Your videos have helped me so much. If only we would have had KZbin 25 years ago right? Keep em coming friend.
@allanhillery-jones97433 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Rick, great review and confirms a lot of my suspicions about shaft flex. Only thing I noticed was the A-Flex launch angle was a lot lower than the other three which might add a bit of distance, but it also had the highest spin rate.
@kbchef92056 жыл бұрын
You’re the first person to compare the A flex, which I use, along with all the other flexes. Thank you. Makes me feel good.
@dalsandor3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I suspected this outcome because I play a mixed bag of Regular shaft for irons and Stiff for everything else. Thank you for showing us the numbers.
@samuelcollie20506 жыл бұрын
Love to see this comparison with someone my age, almost 70, with a slower swing speed.
@capndave84745 жыл бұрын
I'm 70 and just got new irons (Ping G400s) last fall with R shafts. My Mizuno driver has an R shaft too. I was fitted for all these clubs and like them a lot. Deciding I needed a 5 hybrid, I tried a Ping G400 with an A flex and hit it great (no fitting, I just pulled it out of the pro shop and tried it). Nothing to the left (unless I pulled one of my crappy swings out). Played in a tournament a couple of days after I bought it and was hitting it 180-185 and even backed one up, which I never did with my 5-iron. So I would agree with Rick's assessment that flex may not matter all that much.
@kymstock18523 жыл бұрын
@@capndave8474 i am 66 and have shafts in Regular, A- Flex and Ladies flex, all of which I can hit pretty well. My Driver swing speed is 85-90 m.p.h My take on this issue is that you hit a few shots with the club and automatically compensate with aim for that club shaft. I bought two Nike Vapor speed Drivers, one with R flex and one with A- Flex. I found the 45.5 inch A-Flex went a bit high left, so I shortened the shaft to 44.5 inches ( butt cut ) and the high left shots went away. The confusing issue is that there is no standard for shaft flex between different brands, so we are none the wiser when trying to compare shaft flex.
@indychuckluck3 жыл бұрын
I agree I want someone that is older or someone with a slow swing speed just to see if the A flex helps and fell better to a older guy like us?
@shrimpflea3 жыл бұрын
@@indychuckluck I'm 54 with several injuries and I recently switched from a 60 gram stiff to a 40 gram soft flex. Not much difference in performance but I do like the feel of the lighter shaft. I feel like I can swing slower but still get some decent distance.
@InformativeFisherman4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick!
@brianmccool97286 жыл бұрын
Love to see this with a mid- or high handicap player. Great video!
@shrimpflea3 жыл бұрын
I'm a mid-handicapper and I tested shafts with very similar results as this. Not much difference.
@jordondedrick83482 жыл бұрын
These videos make self taught golf so much better. By far you are my favorite person to watch good job on the videos
@rogerredford62425 жыл бұрын
Excellant video. This makes driver selection so much easier. A buyer gets weighed down with too much advice and less reliant on their own insticts.
@ATC2354 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Great video. I went from a stiff to reg and I’m hitting the driver so good now. What a difference it made for me.
@georgehodgetts96394 жыл бұрын
Rick, like your videos but not your conclusion that shaft flex is irrelevant. You should redo this test but without multiple mulligans. Instead of hitting one shot after another with the same shaft, try hitting only one shot with each, which is how golf is played. If you need more data to get a good average, repeat the sequence. On the golf course, many minutes elapse between driver shots. Also, you will find that you can hit the A flex driver the same average distance after 10 or 20 tries, because you make small unconscious adjustments between consecutive shots that poorer players cannot make. You would add 3 shots to your handicap if you played everyday with an A flex driver, because you would miss fairways left and right.
@jadal-ashkar53116 жыл бұрын
Great video. I particularly like the way you did this taking out any bias you may have gotten from knowing which shaft was which.
@jamesparnell45675 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed your video about driver shaft flex comparison. Would like to see a comparison of expensive high end shafts to cheaper ones. Is it worth the money for the difference? Keep up the good work.
@SurprizedDaily4 жыл бұрын
I'd say No....likely ALL marketing garbage just to suck those $$$ out of peoples pockets! Especially after seeing that A flex came in second for total distance!
@zacharyradford55522 жыл бұрын
@@SurprizedDaily Mmm not ALL the case of you get what you pay for comes into play. Best thing to do is don’t be a sucker.
@pb126614 жыл бұрын
this little test backs up my belief/theory that I Reached thru trial and error years ago....My swing speed "said" stiff or x-stiff shaft. For feel, I preferred a regular shaft. it also allowed/allows me to turn the ball over a little bit easier. Never noticed any loss of distance or crazy ball flight so I stuck with that flex. I think it's a bit of a macho thing with some guys too. They won't play anything less than stiff just because....I'm sure everyone has played with golfers like that if you aren't one yourself. lol
@owdred631411 ай бұрын
Hi Rick I’m now 70 and considering changing my shafts to A flex as my speed swing is now down to 80mph. You lead me to believe there is very little between the 4 tested. An interesting comparison would be a senior with a head speed of 80-85mph using similar shafts tested in your video. I appreciate your point at the end but it doesn’t help seniors like me. I do subscribe and enjoy watching your videos. Pete.
@mannytalavera9006 жыл бұрын
Hi Rick. Would love to see more 2 and 3 iron reviews. Or utility driving irons. 😬
@samsingh90664 жыл бұрын
I have been playing with an A flex ever since I have started, it gives me great distance of between 260-280 and sometimes I even touch 300yards when it goes straight. Other times I am exploring the woods mostly to the right. I just love the twang it has to it. Have thought of changing the shaft to get straighter hits, however I would first like to see if it is going to improve my accuracy. This video gives me certainty that I could keep mine and just work on my swing.
@spikebaduccino66135 жыл бұрын
😳😳 Well, I never would have thought that the A flex would be nearly identical to the X Time to re-think things!!
@richardlile26283 жыл бұрын
Being a hobbyist club builder with and 60 years of playing experience, I have been wanting that test forever, Thanks
@sargeroberts24303 жыл бұрын
Great video Rick. It diminishes the questioning thought of the importance of that "correct" shaft. Thanks!
@DD-be8ev6 жыл бұрын
10 beers in and walmart clubs are just as good as callaway / ping etc
@northernlite33683 жыл бұрын
Even without beer, if one has fun, it all that counts. Remember: We PAY to play golf, we are not PAID to play golf ! A heck of a difference. People who have never taken a single lesson, never hit practice balls, and do not go to the gym, will never hit 300 yds of the gold markers and will never play ''scratch'' except maybe a few and far apart gifted guys ! Let's get real here !
@MrFelixParfum6 жыл бұрын
Man! I was really waiting for a video like this since shafts have always been a question for me. Thank you Rick!
@danrosenbach51943 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I’ve been club fitting for 6 months and this explains a lot of what I see. I thought I was going nuts.
@accerbino Жыл бұрын
You are the best.This is great, mostly because it shows that finally, I was right about something. (Took me over 60 years though.) I'm 80 and can barely break 90 but the only difference I've seen in flex is that lighter ones go more left, and heavier more to the right. AND R flex ones wear me out faster on the range than my L-flex Basara. (Let's not go into what "L" means, ok?) Thanks for agreeing with me!! Love your stuff.
@paulchristie917011 күн бұрын
Thx for this Rick. I just had a driver fitting they want me in a senior flex …been playing a Reg flex for decades .. need to rethink this
@rrassoc3 жыл бұрын
As much as I love Rick's tests, I wonder how different clubs might perform for a mid-handicapper vs. for him. I suspect there's a big difference at times.
@mikeneylon18433 жыл бұрын
Exactly ..I commented the same as you 👍
@atomant8306 жыл бұрын
This is now the 2nd Golf Pro video I've seen that tested the shaft flex fit guide and swing feel ratings and ended up surprised. Nick Taylor Golf also did a similar test and shot best with an A flex rated shaft even with his fast 100+ swing speed. This just proves no amount of equipment tech can make as much of a difference as a swing technique improvement can.
@channbro4 жыл бұрын
When his Freind have him the drivers and smiled that big of a smile, it made my day 0:28
@999ragman3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that's Nicky Hibbert from PHS in Hindley?
@TedProMarket4 жыл бұрын
Just a quick story on tour. One player kept on coming to the caravan asking the mizuno rep to change to different shafts. So after watching this I said to the Rep. next time just change the shaft bands. The player had S300 and wanted X100, so he just changed the bands from s to X. Next thing he came back and said that his new shaft were perfect, yet they were the same. All in the mind . Nice test Rick.
@johanbester99944 жыл бұрын
Rick, just wanted to say i love your honest open and bold approach to you clips. It has answered many of my question.
@jsteffen27096 жыл бұрын
Do this with Rob potter... this results might be different, I use x stiff
@colwalker32206 жыл бұрын
Jesse Steffen agreed! Rick, great idea and very interesting result for fast swinger like you, but you really need a part 2 and 3 with an average(95?) and a slow(85?) speed swinger. We would love to see that!
@rodneygreenwell76206 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of us would like to see that.. Me included. Just aa I'd like to get a reply to my question how can you rate the Vokey SM 7 excellent then rate the Wilson only ok when they basically had the same numbers on your GC quad
@leeglover36016 жыл бұрын
Jesse Steffen good idea that would be interesting .!
@johnnypenso95746 жыл бұрын
My money would be on similar results taking the outliers out of th equation.
@CosmicApe6 жыл бұрын
The results wouldn't be different.
@paulp20556 жыл бұрын
Interesting test. I agree with some others below, use a mid-handicapper to repeat the test.
@matthewhall23206 жыл бұрын
Paul P what would it prove? He’d probably be more susceptible to the feel of the shafts which would cause him to hit it all over the face and make the test useless.
@benrobertson11596 жыл бұрын
Matthew Hall so shafts do make a difference then? The reason the results were all pretty similar is because Rick uses a X. Putting a mid/high handicapper to this test would prove that shafts do in fact make a difference
@matthewhall23206 жыл бұрын
Ben Robertson they make a difference because different players react to the feel of a club in different ways. There’s absolutely no difference between different flex shafts if they’re swung the same. Even the manufacturers say that.
@benrobertson11596 жыл бұрын
Matthew Hall you can’t believe that? If swing as hard and fast as I usually do (X Stiff) with a senior shaft I’d either snap the shaft or hit a massive duck hook
@matthewhall23206 жыл бұрын
Ben Robertson it’s been proven time and again. The only evidence you have is your own. YOU perform differently with different flex shafts. That’s not the Club’s fault. It’s yours.
@harmonwalker38766 жыл бұрын
sir rick.. get a senior who has a wing of 80mph and a good swing at that and have him do the blind test and I would bet that will make a wold of difference
@shrimpflea5 жыл бұрын
Mark Crossfield did this with a senior golfer. Same results, it didn't matter. Shaft is mainly about feel.
@Recon-cv1fe4 жыл бұрын
@Ming K A much lower kick point with a faster swing speed means more "bow" at the bottom and middle of the shaft. Thus the club face delofts more and comes out lower and left.
@Recon-cv1fe4 жыл бұрын
@@shrimpflea I can both agree and disagree. If the weight of the shaft is the same (i.e 60 to 70 grams) there will be very little difference if any. Shaft weight and torque is for feel. The higher the flex; the lower the torque and vice versa. However; then we look at the model. CK Pro has 4 different models. Red; Blue, Orange and White (in ascending order according to MCA test results for launch and spin preferences). If we compare the blue to the white; blue has mid kick and white has high kick. Meaning that the ck white is significantly stiffer in the tip and mid points of the shaft. While at Edwin Watts golf store in my hometown we put it to the test. We gave an older man in his late 50s a blue then a white CK shaft at 86 grams TX flex. He had roughly about 85 swing speed. The blue he managed to get off the ground but it missed well right. The CK white he could hardly get off the ground and it sprayed farther right. He complained that the shaft was too heavy and he couldn't put anything behind it. So we gave him the 60 grams instead with the same flex. He hit them much better than the heavier counterparts; but he still missed right every time; just not as severe as the first ones. We came to the conclusion that a 60 X flex and an 86 X are 2 completely different flexes from each other. The heavier; the less flex.
@shrimpflea4 жыл бұрын
@@Recon-cv1fe Makes sense. Thanks for that info.
@Recon-cv1fe4 жыл бұрын
@Ming K Correct. Attack angle could give a different result. Is it shallow or steep? A more rounded swing would most likely open the face more; while a more upright swing would have it more delofted at the bottom. I'll agree that shaft isn't everything; but with todays technology on graphite shafts, it can make a significant change for some. I'm not bandwagoning or anything; but i consider that if 99% of professional golfers use X flex, it must be for a reason. If the shaft made absolutely no difference; then they would play different flexes. I know you could say it's just a marketing gimmic; but they could still market shafts with A or R flex if that was the case.
@RobertEBest6 жыл бұрын
You answer a question that everyone has but won't ask because real men hit a driver with a stiff shaft. Really enjoyed the analysis and your candid, dry British sense of humor always makes for good watching. Best, Bob
@drjcwardjr3 жыл бұрын
I use a stiff flex graphite shaft on my TaylorMade 9.5 M2 driver and regular flex graphite shafts on my TaylorMade Rsi2 irons. I am 76 years old and I just switched from stiff graphite to regular flex graphite for my irons this year.
@jamesalexander32535 жыл бұрын
I would be interested in seeing this done with beginners
@aaronl884 жыл бұрын
Love this. Thanks Rick, subscribed!
@zxgopher6 жыл бұрын
At around the 5 minute mark GOLFWRX became some sort of post apocalyptic no go zone! May it rest in peace lol 😂
@DCopp6 жыл бұрын
Seven Seven right!!?!!
@johnnypenso95746 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the power of golfers to ignore data because their swing and/or clubs are "different"....lol.
@socalgolf99786 жыл бұрын
According the WRX. Rick is a hack and everybody can take him to the wood shed lol. I agree though all the experts on WRX will try to say otherwise
@drjcwardjr3 жыл бұрын
I am a 76 year old American male...my driver is a Taylor made M2 9.5 degree loft head with a stiff flex 58 gram fujikara shaft...my longest drive for 18 holes this past Sunday was a little over 260 yards. Swing speed on my driver between 95 to 98 mph and 85 to 90 mph on my Ping irons. I have tried A and R shafts a couple times over the last few years but I am still more consistent with fiberglass S shafts for all my clubs except for my Taylor Made 5 Rescue which has a regular shaft.
@Gary-tc7zx4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic comparison. Used an A Flex driver today and I thought I was crazy for loving it. Played 9 holes and 6 out of 7 drives were great and 1 wasn't too bad, even managed to save par. Now I know not to worry about it and just enjoy it.
@romiarkan4505 жыл бұрын
Hmm.. Weird flex but OK
@ratman197314 жыл бұрын
😂
@RazGriz4 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment lmao
@duncandonuts27434 жыл бұрын
Wow just wow
@SirTomFoolery3 жыл бұрын
Nice...
@jamescrispp44926 жыл бұрын
Didn't you argue against this when Crossfield was stating this
@stephengotkin54864 жыл бұрын
Rick, love your videos! I believe, just like some others have mentioned that the results may be quite different with slower swing speed players. They would probably get much more out of the regular and senior flex as they probably can't load the stiff and x-stiff shafts. What about testing similar shafts with different kick points to see the effects on distance and accuracy?
@jasonaddis34753 жыл бұрын
I've just been fitted for a new driver and 3 wood, Taylor made sim 2 max. The fitter persuaded me in needed a stiff flex. I had during the process a swing speed around 97mph. When I collected the clubs with the stiff shafts I hit a dozen balls. I seemed to have lost about 10mph on swing speed. Carry distance was down but the accuracy was good. Now I'm worried I should have kept with a regular flex. Although having watching this video maybe I'll just hit the course and see how the new shafts perform. Thanks Rick.
@michaelkidd65502 жыл бұрын
Thank for another informative video. Glad to see that I don't need to get bogged down in the Stiff vs Reg for me. I love the feel of my reg shaft on my Ping G410 Plus
@WCGwkf2 жыл бұрын
I bet there's a difference if you have a senior swing all of them
@ryanowen90855 жыл бұрын
Shafts improve dispersion more than distance
@japice15 жыл бұрын
To add validity to this test it should be done with a mid handicap person and a senior. Your swing speed is too high to make a real difference.
@CrookedRedBeard5 жыл бұрын
I played golf in HS and noticed a marked difference in shifting from Regular to Stiff, dropped 10 shots a 9 in a year. Never was a great golfer but low 50 to low 40 was quite a difference. Even began making birdies that year
@barrystevenson24365 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it definitely makes a difference to your average golfer with a slower swing. My brother plays with stiff shafts and if I use them I lose the ball right. As my arthritis has gotten worse and I can't power through the ball it's more exaggerated as well. The opposite is true if he uses my regular or light flex shafts, he whips the ball left.
@blakemurray28345 жыл бұрын
I have a slightly faster club head speed then Rick and I agree the shaft flex doesn't really have much to do left and right it's more height spin and distance I can't use lighter shafts as I jsut get to much height and spin
@javiercabezudo61935 жыл бұрын
@@CrookedRedBeard says nothing if your statistics with putter and irons changed too. And ten shots less is not only driver shaft difference..
@DAGenao5 ай бұрын
That is unbelievable. I would have never expected the A flex performance to be so close to the X flex or S flex, especially the ball speed of 158.9. Excellent review.
@banjoe75336 жыл бұрын
Excellent real world analysis. Bypassed the sales pitch and straight to the facts. Very helpful. Thanks
@rickygilbert40542 жыл бұрын
For most amateur golfers, we would like to see the same test with 85mph swing speeds.
@eggsmann5942 жыл бұрын
I'd watch that !
@ryze91532 жыл бұрын
That's pretty much my speed. 85.
@jonphillips47565 жыл бұрын
I keep telling my the same thing. "Shaft isn't everything."
@ronniemacleod8414 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣😎
@ChrisB-so1eh3 жыл бұрын
Amen brother
@alvinholtonii4315 жыл бұрын
You forgot to tell us the recommended swing speeds for the regular and stiff flex.
@brandonroberts43804 жыл бұрын
Alvin Holton II 90 for regular flex 100 for stiff
@SurprizedDaily4 жыл бұрын
Likely all marketing hyped up BS imho...who would've thought the A flex would come in 2nd longest total distance? I'd have never thought so, until seeing it here!
@peterforrest66823 жыл бұрын
Excellent test Rick...put my mind to rest about shaft stiffness...many thanks...
@DonAl91147 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Good to have your view on this topic. 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻😊🇩🇪
@HLUGOE5 жыл бұрын
What about someone swinging at 85 mph using a stif shaft? Would that make a difference
@shrimpflea3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it wouldn't go as far.
@SuperYoda76 жыл бұрын
So no difference. But why so many options then? Feel for sure. What difference makes weight? Please make a vid comparing the same flex but different weights!
@johnnypenso95746 жыл бұрын
SuperYoda7 More options = more sales. Simple as that.
@jonlanier_6 жыл бұрын
He is not using all available variables. Nor can if be able to, there are to many physic problems that are going on into the equation that change from one person to another. Rick, has a smooth cookie cutting swing that they all been teaching for the last 20 years or so and... pretty much has mastered it. Take the old swings that were effective and quite different, you'll come up with different needs. Palmer, Snead, Nicklaus, Woods, Trevino...etc. Most average people who play golf, can't master cookie cutter swings.... so your are going to have an eklectic need of shafts.
@johnnypenso95746 жыл бұрын
Jon Lanier I highly doubt it would matter to anyone but those with the wildest swings and most of them aren't consistent enough for a different shaft to make a difference. Love to see the test though.
@chickenclips6 жыл бұрын
Stick older used shafts in the equation and the results will be very different.
@alfredhilmersson38116 жыл бұрын
Can you do this with irons aswell? Using stiff #1KCLUB
@t.k.morris3 жыл бұрын
I have tried a few and ended up liking a stiff steel shaft. I don't care for graphite shafts in any flex and the stiff steel shaft just felt better than a regular flex. I am just an occasional bogey golfer although I have not played at all in the last five years.. I don't practice or play regularly but am wanting to start again as I am retiring next month. I bought a weighted swing stick to try and get back into a good golf swing. I used to slice the ball way too much off of the tee and am working on my swing characteristics trying to get ready for golf play again. Thank you for all of your helpful videos.
@terrychestnut95373 жыл бұрын
Best video yet on shaft flex. The best intelligence given with proof to back the results. You gave me the intel on which fairway wood I should get. You just saved me $150. I’m going with the Taylormade M4 Senior flex at $150 and a M4 regular flex is $299.99 ($300). Thank you! (Prices are based on the “river” website)
@terrychestnut95373 жыл бұрын
Just getting the $150 club, amazing the price difference.
@dudleycornman16245 жыл бұрын
interesting. I would have expected more left to right dispersion?
@stevenst63375 жыл бұрын
I remember when I was 13 and started swinging wayyyyyyyyy to hard for my flex. Everything would just balloon soooooooo high and I had no idea why then I went with my older brother and he’s like man you need new clubs lol
@davidb14924 жыл бұрын
Lets see the same test with a senior swinging
@jimmay46533 жыл бұрын
This is the sort of information us mortal golfers struggle to find out. Sooo helpful. Any chance you could get a 'mortal' golfer to re-do this with a lower swing speed, around the 85-90 mph mark?
@8018998274 жыл бұрын
I just found this video and it reminded me that I had a couple of Yonex Fairway Woods some years ago (3 and 5) and won a club fitting session. When I went to the fitter he tested the shafts on a device where you clamp the but end and then pull the head back and release it so it vibrates over a sensor. He was able to tell me that, although both shafts were marked 'Standard', the one on the 3 Wood was actually XXStiff - no wonder I hit it out to the right every time! His advice was, find a club that works for you and then buy THAT ONE, not another with the same markings on it as manufacturing tolerences are so wide on off the shelf shafts that the markings are meaningless. It would have been interesting to see you try this vibration test on these shafts and see if they actually fitted their ratings.
@alexyalda-kisso37356 жыл бұрын
I remember a time when you would make snide comments about Mark Crossfield's "shaft flex doesn't matter" viewpoint. Now it looks like you've jumped on his wagon of alternative thinking.
@Dynamic3DLtd4 жыл бұрын
Not really, if you pause the video at 6:15 you can see a CLEAR correlation of dispersion getting better the stiffer up the flex you go. Its also important to remember all golfers are different, angle of attack, swing tempo etc are all factors. So some golfers would get bigger results than this test. I had both the ping tour S and X and I definitely got better results with the x flex.
@cobra72823 жыл бұрын
@@Dynamic3DLtd Seriously just look at a club fitting on the TXG channel. Not only do they get different numbers with different flexes, but also much different results between different shafts of the same flex. Shaft is very important to things like launch angle, and spin rate and the flex is crucial for dispersion.
@RossTheNinja4 жыл бұрын
Rick's message: no matter how stiff the shaft, play with it and enjoy it.
@Paterson84 жыл бұрын
Words to live by. 🍆 👍🏻
@Pulse2AM4 жыл бұрын
As you age those words will have more meaning.
@nashfredette26204 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there 😏
@joe10714 жыл бұрын
It's all about tempo 😉
@Pulse2AM4 жыл бұрын
@@joe1071 One swing and out. LOL
@irwinrussell606 жыл бұрын
Everyone pray for Rick after the manufacturers put a bounty on his head for exposing their secrets
@zacharyradford55522 жыл бұрын
Better yet pray for the fools who doesn’t take manufacturers BS with a big chunk of salt.
@nycabilifeisgreat97683 жыл бұрын
Thank You ! Still in my first year of Wednesday’s 9 hole on our 18… And I’m the youngest at 66 of my 4some…. ! LOL! I purchased my complete Senior Flex set of Cobra’s because I’m now officially a senior! LOL!
@chriskirk7137 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick. I love how you just tell it like it is.
@spikebaduccino66134 жыл бұрын
😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳. Well, that means that my very large draws (hooks) might actually be ME, not the shaft!
@jukkakymalainen6 жыл бұрын
Very good rewiew 👍 Buy a new driver and get custom fitted 💸 or buy old club with normal shaft and you can still buy greenfees, food, balls, bear and flowers to your girlfriend 🌷😉
@jeshbargota77456 жыл бұрын
Spot on 😂
@davidsantiago89655 жыл бұрын
Bear?
@javiercabezudo61935 жыл бұрын
Firstly flowers, then greenfees
@LiLKK713PB4 жыл бұрын
You buy bears?
@mattleader8216 жыл бұрын
Flex is irrelevant it’s weight that is key.
@mattleader8216 жыл бұрын
logan t flex is relative to weight which is why a 50g shaft is much softer than a 75g shaft. Properly fitted shafts are built to a frequency number. Manufacturers stiff varies considerably between them. Hence why building to a frequency is more accurate. It will affect dispersion peak height landing angle spin rate etc...
@lancesedevie5486 жыл бұрын
Matt Leader frequency of shafts is a bit of a sham too. It only measures the butt cpm so just because they are same number the May play entirely different based upon the shaft profile
@kimgallagher4906 жыл бұрын
It's not irrelevant, shafts are stiffer because of the AVERAGE DIAMETER of the shaft, which is why stiff shafts are heavier, but the kick points are different, particularly if the tips are stiffer. Getting the right shaft and flex is key to accuracy (as illustrated in this very video) which is why Professionals like to measure the numbers to fit properly. So Matt - you're wrong.
@mattleader8216 жыл бұрын
garry conway said a guy with no clue whatsoever. Ego golfer obviously
@Android6027156 жыл бұрын
garry conway what are you blowing? This test didn’t show accuracy at all! Your realize 5 shots is such a small sample size one SMALL misshit or slight path change by a degree could influence the numbers drastically right? The a flex average angle was -1° while the others were all in the + direction, so there was probably 1 A shot he was a bit inside on. You have no clue
@ronnyhermansen Жыл бұрын
These kinds of reviews are just great Rick. It tells me once again that we golfers often make our choices based on influences from marketing and hyoe rather than feel and actual results. Thumbs up - love it.
@stevenmcc60522 жыл бұрын
Finally a bit science rather than what you get with Yahoo's trying to sell something. I used to do some fitting and a popular driver one was grafalloy prolaunch blue ..got the ball airbone and straight without being jelly.. 3 woods often proforce V2. I like fujikura and aldila too. I use 75g Reg NV green in an 11deg head tweaked to 13 !!!! I can draw, straight, fade with some confidence.
@mikekim76794 жыл бұрын
This is one of many things I always want to know. But I am not good enough to test things like this and don’t have access to all of these equipments. Thanks for carrying out another awesome experiment.
@southernmistii6 жыл бұрын
I have a Ping G20 with a senior flex shaft. I hit all kinds of drivers on the range when being fitted and this one performed best for me. I've been using it for almost 3 years now and it is still doing a good job for me, no need to change, if it's not broke don't fix it.
@michaelmartino51002 жыл бұрын
I have used a stiff shaft in all my drivers since I was about a 5 handicap to current about a 12. Swing speed in the mid 90's currently to when I played more often years ago in the the 101 to 103 area. Never felt much difference in X,S,R shafts period in metal woods for over 15 yrs. I did notice a distance gain since the change from steel shafted fairway woods to graphite. Great test! Enjoyed your discussion and suggestion...find one that feels good and stick with it. Don't get caught up in the data!👍
@noonster55 Жыл бұрын
I don't have a trackman or the like. I have a swing caddie I use mostly just to get my carry distances. I just got a new Cobra LTDX driver a few months ago and decided to do this test. I got fit for the driver into a stiff shaft. That's pretty much what I expected. However, with new shafts like the auto-flex, I decided to test a senior flex shaft another channel I watch recommended as a cheap alternative to auto-flex. I got really good results. Way better than I thought, but pretty much the same as the stiff shaft I was fitted to. So I made up a regular and extra stiff version of the same shaft. Same results, just a few yards difference between them.
@tamatiharris32002 жыл бұрын
You’re the man Rick new to hold and you’ve helped me so much mate
@ronniemacleod8414 жыл бұрын
Superb video Rick. As a 71 year old 10 handicapper it has really, really focused me. 😎🤣🤣🤣🤔
@brandonduck48195 жыл бұрын
I love how your videos are all about the love of the game and how to not find yourself so involved in ticky-tacky things like shaft flex. Find some clubs that feel good and just go have fun!!
@kevinmontgomery10545 жыл бұрын
Fantastic test. I've been looking for this test for a while wondering if a different shaft would help me hit straighter. One of your best. Thanks for all you do.
@jorts9004 жыл бұрын
The distance between shafts may not matter, but if you find the right profile, you can gain much more accuracy, and mishits can be more predictable. I got fitted 3 years ago for a Rogue driver in a Project X Yellow 70S, which was the best option at the time without paying for an exotic shaft. This was at a local fitter that happens to be one of the best in the US. My swing speed is around 105-113 MPH. I bought several "exotic" shafts for $130-200 recently just to play around, and I've noticed that with the same head I have much more consistency in an Aldila Rogue White 70X. I tried the Ventus Black 70X, a couple of Obans, and the Aldila Rogue White 70S. The Rogue White 70X seems to have the best ball flight and has completely removed my left miss. I may have actually lost a couple of yards, but the spin seems to still be low, and ball flight is straighter. I personally don't believe what Crossfield says about this as well. Just don't buy a $350+ shaft for distance gains, but buy one for consistency. Tour Experience Golf seems to have a better approach, backed with testing, why an up charge shaft can be better.