BMW E90 M3 vs. Lexus IS-F | Driver Battles

[@OjiSensei]

The isf is too heavy but it’s still my favorite car. A v8 that can go 200k miles no problem is my type of balance

[@johneldepresso]

Ethan Benson the one in the ISF is called the 2UR-GSE

[@kjackson2628]

took an e90 m3 220k no problem either both are nice!!

[@gitaarmovies2003]

Look at the E39 M5 with the S62. Pretty bulletproof engines.

[@papapetad]

@@gitaarmovies2003 Better than s65 but known flaws just like s65 and costly engines to maintain and build (also rare and expensive coz sought after) . Isf motor is not cheap either but pound for pound, way more reliable and easy on the wallet. S62 sure is one of if not the most loved bmw engine ever. My fave is the S38 with S62 a close 2nd place.

[@andywu8558]

Yep isf it is.

[@anandnainar3590]

ISF driver with the attitude of a BMW driver... BMW driver with the attitude of an angel.

[@moustachio334]

I can’t believe the host said that Japan doesn’t normally have V8 cars and that BMW doesn’t normally build rev happy V8’s. Can we get actual car guys to host this show for once?

[@noorkashif9107]

@@moustachio334 yeah why tf are these guys

[@SaabStory636]

@@moustachio334If he said in the M3, he’d be right. But he did not, so he’s wrong. With regards to Japan, they’re known for their 4 bangers but they build some great V8’s and V10’s.

[@aaronvector4750]

@@moustachio334 Japan has nice V8 cars but they aren't all that common. Also, BMW doesn't usually build high revving N/A V8s.

[@RaffleE46]

@@aaronvector4750no one can beat the Americans when it comes to V8s, they make the best V8 engines

[@AndrewPruteanu]

I would still pick the IS-F, those things are super reliable and last a whole lot longer

[@GokuTheHusky]

Yet the BMW is racing it and whooping it's ass lmao that BMW isn't new

[@trebm3]

lmao based on what? E90/E92 have very few issues. Throttle actuators and bearings are all that MAY go wrong and not that expensive to take care of. IS-F interiors have been known to melt (mine did ) and the cost to replace all interior panels and labor was more expensive than replacing 2 throttle actuators and bearings in my M3.

[@ryanwashere21]

@@trebm3 May? They will go out and it's a 2-4k job. ISF won't have any of those issues and have been know to hit over 300k without any major transmission or engine work But I will say the E90 is a much funnier super sedan.

[@danstray2527]

@@trebm3 Based on facts from shops BMW after -07 has one of the most unreliable engines in the world!

[@moustachio334]

@@GokuTheHusky BMW competes in 24H of Lemans. I trust BMW M series reliability. I only hear of odd electrical gremlins with BMW’s. Nothing mechanically catastrophic.

[@rickstiens4641]

Fellow ISF owner here and I also track my ISF. As others have noted, it should have been a 2010+ ISF with a Torsen diff instead of open. You can see how loose the F is vs the more planted M. Props to both drivers...fun competition. I've got an 08 with the open diff and it is tough to put power down on corner exit. So I'm putting in an OS Giken diff during the off season. Been following Willem's build too - awesome dude!

[@a88888888a]

Giken superlock is the way to roll... I have a 10+ so no giken for me... Hahaha

[@asiahispanico]

I honestly think the F wouldve taken it if it were equipped with an lsd. Both drivers did well, but it wasnt necessarily a “fair” comparison.

[@moustachio334]

@@asiahispanico why doesn’t the IS-F come standard with LSD?

[@moustachio334]

These are all excuses. Look at the power to weight ratio of each car. IS-F is a luxury car with a sports exhaust. The M3 is a sports car with decades of lineage.

[@asiahispanico]

@@moustachio334 because the 08 ISF was lexus’s first stab at a sports car. That was a huge factor in its initial “meh” impressions. I really wish they had released it how they did in 2010. Would’ve put up a better fight all around

[@mtbingdude64]

Love how well the m3 guy took the roast. Everyone loves to hate on bmw's, dope that he knows how to shoot the shit but let the drive do the talking

[@Peanutdenver]

I had zero problems with my E92 when I owned it....but I bought it new and sold it 4 years later for a F82.

[@increase9896]

thats how everyone should react to all the different hazing with cars and trucks. if someone is legitimately upset and super brand loyal to the point where they take the joking personally, then that guy is a tool bag.

[@dachisoncarrazco]

@@Peanutdenver stop laying lol

[@chief6369]

What drive the 50k mile drive before it breaks down and is not a usable car anymore!

[@mtbingdude64]

@@chief6369 my e92 335i has honestly been the most reliable car i've ever owned believe it or not. just gotta be smart and do all the preventative maintenance required BEFORE performance upgrades and its all set. you just have to do everything yourself. just the waterpump and thermostat alone would have been at least a 1500 dollar job, i did it for like 350 bucks everything included. my favorite thing has got to be the massive community behind bmw. so many forums and youtube channels dedicated to teaching you absolutely everything you need to know to learn and tackle projects in your own garage.

[@dspada67]

Hi from Australia guys. Really enjoyed that. I currently own both cars. The ISF is my daily, it has headers etc, really transforms the car. Absolutely love it, it’s a beast. The M3 has track pipes ( primary car delete) Remus exhaust tune etc, dct trans. The M3 is actually like a race car , the way it bangs gears and the way the car handles, it’s a screamer and feels amazing. Love them both but I think the M3 has the edge over all . I think the ISF on the street would put the power down better in a drag race from light to light and probably come away the win, M3 is the better drivers car and faster on the track in general.

[@Talisayin]

Hello to the land down under! Greetings from the U.S. my friend and enjoy those wonderful cars!

[@PrivilegeYT]

overall Lexus us headed in the right direction. this was a 2009 vs 2011 though

[@jakes.5143]

Agree with this statement. I owned a 2010 isf and my partner has a 13 comp m3 and feel the same way. Also if you set up the m3 with coils and bushings etc...it is an animal on the twisties.

[@2be1withU]

@@PrivilegeYT Nope, Lexus heading toward the Grand Touring direction . No direct competition with the M2, M3 or M4. They even use the RCF for their track school. I have driven the RCF at Xcross for a few lap. It is a pig.

[@chase1as]

I’ve only recently become a fan of Lexus, first with an IS350 and now the ISF. I don’t think too many people would be surprised that the M3 is better, but the ISF comes so close and yet is considerably cheaper to own and maintain. For me that is a huge factor in the overall enjoyment…no longer do I drive with anxiety 😆

[@ijohnvanle]

2009 ISF vs. 2011 M3. Re-match with a 2011 ISF to be fair. ISF got a diff added in 2010+ MY with newer suspension updates. Added diff is a game changer. 2010+ is like 6 seconds faster than 08-09 models at the VIR lightening lap.

[@chicken-0072]

Same generation and tech in e90 from way before 2011 so not rlly valid excuse

[@Jaredscott89]

@@chicken-0072 IS-F not having a LSD is a pretty big deal. Lexus made the mistake in the first place and rectified it later on. He is correct, if it has the factory LSD it would have been much faster.

[@FSX239]

@@chicken-0072 wrong. The lack of a factory diff equates to several lost seconds on track. A rematch would bring a tighter race.

[@baboulinetbaboulinet4580]

@@FSX239 A LSD is very important for all sports cars (RWD, AWD, FWD) but I don't think a LSD in the Lexus brings 2.8s on this track test. Both cars are amazing, the BMW is always faster on track in all the tests, even in Best Motoring. It's the same way whith RCF and M3/M4, the gap on track is even bigger. Lexus is heavier.

[@chicken-0072]

Jared Scott yeah my point is e90 had dif from very start and didnt had improvements so it doesnt matter 2009 M3 vs 2009 Lexus would still be same result, and yes not putting LSD is just kinda shame of Lexus not problem of the competition, and this hoax info about 6sec improvment is not valid for me main thing why is m3 faster is weight distribution and weight all lone, suspension and just bmw having ability to build fast cars on track.. 1 LSD will not change that

[@RedspencerIS350]

08-09 IS-Fs were lackluster on the track with its open diff and understeer prone stock suspension setup. While the 10+MY included a Torsen LSD, the 11+MY had the biggest improvement in lap times with its retuned suspension and steering calibration which has been validated on the Car and Driver's Lighting lap times at VIR (9 second improvement) and at other tracks.

[@d1sturb3d119]

With an LSD the understeer goes away completely. In this case I'm completely baffled as to why a track enthusiast left out the LSD. My street car is an 08 with a torsen and the difference it makes is massive.

[@RedspencerIS350]

@@d1sturb3d119 Yup, my IS350 has an OS Giken TCD LSD and the difference it makes around the corners is massive

[@thomasone1108]

E90 M3 still would beat 2011 ISF. It's a better car overall with better chassis and lighter weight. BMW is well ahead of Lexus in handling

[@d1sturb3d119]

@@thomasone1108 heard that from plenty of folks about x,y,z brands. Bottom line is if the drive can't push their car, there is no way they're getting close to advertised performance. The M3 is great in capable hands. In the hands of most average drivers, I have yet to come across an M3 that's actually been able to get past me. Razor sharp handling is great when a driver has razor sharp skills. I haven't come across a razor sharp driver in a while. Last m3 I ran spun on an on ramp getting onto the freeway.

[@d1sturb3d119]

@Arthur WallDo you think every manufacturer has an LSD as part of the package? Look at the C63, E, S, you have to run the vin to make sure they actually are equipped with one. Most brands use brake actuated systems to achieve the same. Pretty much standard in the industry. Merc, Audi, BMW all do the same. Its cost cutting. Then they throw it on as an option. At least they made it standard in the years following.

[@gsheverything_2716]

Give me ISF all day 🔥🏎️

[@PResmejor]

I would of liked to see them drive each other's car and compare the times . I would love to own any of these cars . Love them both !

[@Droppdeadxx]

The isf is amazing i love mine

[@xwarped83]

Exactly this. It would make for a better comparison. I imagine the M3 is still faster but the sound from that ISF is just pure sex.

[@PResmejor]

@@xwarped83 that 5.0 sound just sends shivers down your spine doesn't it ! I love them !

[@PResmejor]

@@Droppdeadxx I bet you do! I wanted one but they're hard to find, so I am rocking with the is350 until I find one lol

[@Droppdeadxx]

@@PResmejor I have a 2010 is350 that I drift with and a 1994 sc400 that I drive to car shows , I love lexus super reliable

[@rockodashpr]

Just being a car enthusiast i knew for a fact the E90 M3 would win because i used to watch videos as a kid back in 08 comparing the two the M3 always came on top

[@d1sturb3d119]

M3 is slower in a straight line, if you compare it to the 4 door, and the 2012+ models had a 6 second gain over the 08 on certain tracks mostly attributed to the LSD the car's came equipped with. 08's are a lot better when they're driving both wheels instead of one.

[@markperez8824]

lol corny

[@EJ257IHI]

"Just being a car enthusiast i knew for a fact the E90 M3 would win" - One of the dumbest comments I've heard in a while.

[@ActionHeinz]

@@EJ257IHI Hey, he was a kid "back" in 2008... 😂😂

[@EJ257IHI]

@@ActionHeinz Alright, I will give him a pass on that. LOL

[@corybrown7251]

That m3 is so clean

[@daniels2791]

Glad this guy won, honestly feel like I saw some justice when he won, after the other guy was so cocky all the time.

[@bobnewhart4318]

If that's what you call cocky you need to get out the house more sissy

[@theylive2749]

I ended up with a GSF but initially wanted the ISF. I’ve seen an ISF with 325,000 miles on the odo. That sold me on Lexus V8s.

[@augustortiz]

GSF is a much much better car.

[@btort8750]

GS F is pretty heavy, and I thought my rc f was heavy 😂

[@SimplyCars_]

The E9X chassis is amazing

[@Beezy_Builds]

I wanted this to be closer but deep down I knew the Lexus would loose this one, the ISF is still such a cool proposition

[@Toyota4Life]

The ISF only lost because it’s not the updated 2014 model. Motor trend tested the 2014 ISF against the V8 competition M3 and they both set down the same lap time. The ISF can win it just has to be the later years they are updated NOT the 2008 0r 2009 models

[@thutch866]

That's why you need to skip out on getting a base C6, my friend... I am just kidding, love your build, and sorry to hear about your z06.. probably picking up a c5z here soon myself.

[@Beezy_Builds]

@@Toyota4Life appreciate you shedding some light

[@Beezy_Builds]

@@thutch866 😂😂😂 youtube is a small place you know the base ls3 c6 is a crazy value , congrats on the c5z purchase!

[@thutch866]

@@Beezy_Builds Right? You don't think you'll miss having a "z"? the name behind it and whatnot?

[@MidwestDIY]

I’ll take the one that will still be running on original engine and transmission 500k miles later

[@Powaup]

It's a tough call, on one hand, the BMW has that race care engine and faster but rod bearing maintenance and replacing throttle actuators is $$$. ISFs also have more of a cool factor since they're rarer

[@isfrozen3103]

Powaup exactly. If you feel like spending a shit ton of money keeping the m3 going then go ahead. But tbh you could just buy a more expensive car and spend the same amount in the end as a e92 m3 lol

[@matreyia]

@@isfrozen3103 - you ever driven an m3? I have driven back to back m3 vs. lexus IS-F and there's no comparison, not even close. But if you like the lexus squooshy ride, then more power to you.

[@147NITRO]

so you want a reliable race car for a daily what world you living in?

[@miloslogic]

@@147NITRO world without headaches

[@snipergene]

Needed to test a 2010+ IS-F for the LSD.

[@johnpaull135]

snipergene - Wouldn’t have made any difference the chassis M3 is better look at the old 5th Gear toast when they raced the e90 M3 against the C63 AMG Merc and the BM killed it. BMW know ow to match all the key elements that make them work in M cars.

[@devonturner1747]

If you think an LSD makes no difference in a track test, you've got very little driving experience.

[@johnpaull135]

Devon Turner - That’s not what I said. Chassis is the big difference.

[@xuntopx]

@@johnpaull135 LSD makes a HUGE difference. Especially around a track. There was a track where they tested an e90/92 M3 and an ISF with LSD. Both had the exact same time but with one difference. The M3 was on Michelin Cup tires while the ISF was on street tires.

[@johnpaull135]

xuntopx - Diffs do make a difference but it is also very track dependent. That track is open and flat with quite flowing corners, little or no elevation change so no real advantage to be lost not having an LSD. The IS is like the C63 AMG, relies on cubic inches. There will always be people who say how there car beat some competitor in a similar or competitive car. In my experience the moment you go to the track and run your car once is the last time it remains stock.

[@-Zelo]

The ISF guy seems like a cool dude but common man... You gotta be up in the rpms coming out of those corners! I also wish this was a 2010+ ISF... The Handling on the later year ISFs was improved a lot over the 08-09 models. Props the the M3 driver though. His run looked almost flawless.

[@asiahispanico]

Zelo plus the 10+ models had LSD’s.

[@jaekimchi]

Most Lexus owners aren't really into performance driving.

[@sleep6266]

@@jaekimchi The "F" crowd is however...just like how generally Mercedes owners aren't into performance driving but the AMG crowd sure is

[@Jaredscott89]

The later year model wouldn't have altered the handling much other than the LSD. Given the car in the video was on KW V3's.

[@Jaredscott89]

@@MD-uu5nt And your old ALFA wasn't an IS-F. I've had both models of IS-F, the LSD wasn't that big a difference once stock suspension was changed...

[@iLLWiLLeM]

I drove the ISF in the video here. Few things. - Yes, this ISF did NOT have LSD. That's for sure why it was so loose- for sure would have gone faster with one- but faster than the M? prob not. - Yes, I also drove the BMW and did a low 2:03 it was the faster car in the heat for sure. - I actually ran 2:05 first session but timing loop was off, F still woulda lost but it would have been closer. - I've also driven my stock ISF here and did a 2:02, so chuckwalla track conditions make times vary wildly. Video of the session here for the bench racers, dying to get more driving tips if you guys can get the time off from your f1 careers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fV7VZmeXptt7mdU

[@h4ru_d3su]

iLLWiLLeM 2010-2014 ISF has a standard Torsen LSD.

[@iLLWiLLeM]

@@h4ru_d3su k, your point?

[@Jedi_Luke]

Both auto trans FTW!! The ISF is a great car. Don't sleep on it.

[@TheTmshuman]

ISF driver ran a questionable line. Looks like he missed a few apexes too, didn’t use the whole track etc.

[@joeli4ani041]

Lots of understeer as well

[@Jaredscott89]

Open diff...

[@kipp4805]

He's probably a more competent driver than most people watching this video. The car also has an open diff.

[@TheTmshuman]

@@kipp4805 What exactly does that have to do with anything? Also a peg leg has shit all to do with your line.

[@Andychengg]

@@TheTmshuman aite check out his Instagram @illwillem and tell him how to drive on a track

[@arrowheadftball]

2011+ IS'F would have been equal. The LSD diff and a improved camber sway angle improved the Lexus tremendously. They are both great cars to be sure. The amount of affordable mods that are available for both also make the cars very sought after for enthusiasts of all ages. A smart buyer that finds that rare diamond in the world will have a fun car for sure. BMW owners understand and accept it's limitations. Lexus owners will do the same based on slightly different reason's.

[@TonyJackson98]

BMW powa baby!!!! Great job Scott and Will!

[@gt1r]

Anita Ayon BMW still had over 100k, and pretty much stock suspension.

[@Loudest_Cricket_]

Both are super dope cars. I'd take the IS F as my daily, lightly mod the M3 for track days.

[@zacharyparis]

They need to match up with the ‘10+ ISF which has an LSD.

[@simonbarbarasch7169]

that car has an open diff? oof

[@zacharyparis]

@@simonbarbarasch7169 yeah, '08 and 09' had open diff. First two years of production. It was really the very first "performance" car Lexus every built.

[@asiahispanico]

Simon Barbarasch yeap, the lsd-equipped ISF’s have proven to be significantly quicker around a track than non-lsd ISF’s.

[@zacharyparis]

For sure. I have a friend with an ISF at like 235k miles and still running strong. That’s just Lexus style. They tune more conservatively and develop their engines for a long time. Not as much horsepower and tech as the German rivals but absolutely bullet proof.

[@bbbt8090]

Yep!!! We need the LSD

[@DrEvil-os9dc]

BMWs are the ultimate driving machines.. even their base models are amazing.

[@mfgunit]

nobody gives a shit about 328i's with their shitty stock seats.

[@Trillioons]

@@mfgunit Tru. Only the top trims are goated.

[@jogabneymar4994]

@@mfgunit in Europe the most popular bmw’s are 116i/118i and 318i’s

[@newsloopnet]

base I3 no thanks 😂

[@mfgunit]

@@jogabneymar4994 oh wow, I don't think we even have those in US. We definitely don't have diesel sedans here. The 335i 535i are coveted here. And of course the M's.

[@andrewwebber3939]

This is a really cool concept. I love seeing these cars duke it out. I could never afford them new but now they are getting more affordable in the used market. Only problem is they don’t make new videos on them anymore. This is great!

[@VS666]

this is such a specific recommendation. ive been considering the e90 and isf the last couple weeks. sick video though my dudes

[@DriveItRyan]

Love seeing another E90 at the track! Looks so good with those Volks and 275’s all around 🙌

[@Two-Stack]

As always, you guys are consistently underrated. Good stuff.

[@DrivingLine]

Much appreciated!

[@quintonturner6967]

I love the positivity displayed throughout the episode, most importantly at the end by the winner. Nice head to head race. Honestly the Lexus with a better suspension setup would prove to shave off some time off the lap rime recorded in this race. Keeping the car flat in the corners with a V8 isn't easy for sure. Lovely carbon fiber hood on the IS-F. That BMW is truly a beast. For me it was watching how flat it was in the bends. Keep it up guys!

[@08680868]

Isf is a reliable car , but I don't think people understand how reliable that BMW is for what it is if you address couple of things right when you buy it

[@esteve72]

I saw the name Will and the tattoos and was looking forward to seeing the illWillem $125 ISF! That was disappointing but I can see why though, it wouldn't be a fair fight. Excellent job driving by the M3 owner, smooth and fast. The M3 looks very neutral and amazing on the track. The ISF pushing, then being loose was killing the corner exits and you could see it gradually falling behind.

[@Toyota4Life]

They always run these races with the first year model ISF never with the updated suspension and LSD model THAT came out later

[@bartb6804]

That M3 is gorgeous

[@shannonkayatani3001]

Nice battle. Thanks, guys🤘. I do believe the e90 6mt will be my next m car😆

[@connectkarim]

Fantastic sportsmanship guys! Kudos to both. Congrats to Scott and the bimmer!

[@Powaup]

CHASSIS, no numbers or stats can say how good BMW M chassis are but that was the edge here imo

[@Odin889]

Damn i love e9x m3s. My next car is gonna be that!

[@jakes.5143]

Should have done this with the 2010+ isf with the new LSD

[@issaf3676]

I hate when they keep using the 08 ISF

[@asiahispanico]

Issa F cant hurt any feelings man 😂

[@griffin_kith6214]

Why the e92 is a mid-late 2000’s car also

[@asiahispanico]

Griffin_Kith because the 08-09 F’s came with open diffs. The 10+ models came equipped with Torsen LSD’s and finer tuned suspension. The lsd made the new model years about 6 seconds faster around the track. Wouldve been a better comparison to pit an updated ISF vs this M3

[@davidlegkodukh6969]

@@asiahispanico So you need to use a newer model year ISF to heat an older car?😂 Sounds pathetic

[@asiahispanico]

White Fox no its the same generation just a few updates, same hp-tq. You sound like a pinecone

[@geejay5653]

Great video! I'm surprised nobody mentioned anything about the difference in model years though. If that had been a 2011 ISF against the 2011 M3, the ISF would probably have gone at least 3 second faster due to the Torsen LSD added to the ISF in 2010 and the major suspension changes for 2011. Those two changes made a 7 second (!!!) difference in the 2008 vs 2011 ISF's lap time around VIR. That's why you could see the 2009 ISF in the video had trouble putting power down out of the corners with its open rear diff and less than optimal 2008-2010 ISF suspension. Regardless, this was a fun video to watch and I thoroughly enjoyed it...love both of those cars.

[@johnpaull135]

Gee Jay - Ah yes but the BMW driver was 20lbs heavier than Lexus driver so would still be the same result. 🤟🤟🤟🤟🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

[@matthewnicholas6365]

So what you're saying is the ISF should have been a better model from 2011 even though the M3 was the same car from 07 through 2013? Maybe they should have put an F82 M3 in instead because that's a faster car.

[@geejay5653]

@@matthewnicholas6365 Yes, BMW has a whole lot more experience than Lexus at building that type of car and the E90 was good right from the start. The ISF was their first attempt and had a few flaws, beyond being portly, that hurt track times for the first few model years.

[@matthewnicholas6365]

@@geejay5653 What I'm saying is it's not unfair to put the 2 most basic versions of each car against eachother. If you up the ante with the ISF, why not up the ante with the M3 too and stick the GTS model in the race? Swings and round abouts really.

[@geejay5653]

@@matthewnicholas6365 The ISF has always just had the base model... never a higher performance variant like BMW did with the M3. Why would an ISF vs M3 GTS head to head make more sense? All I was pointing out from the beginning is that Lexus made a few changes in 2010 and 2011 that fixed some flaws that made it less competitive. Put a 2008 ISF against a 2008 M3 on the track and the M3 is quicker...put a 2011 ISF against a 2011 M3 on the track and it's a toss up.

[@Elzettoloco]

Defeated by his own arrogance

[@TienTran-kw3il]

He owns a ISF that does 1’40s at button willow, the LSD versions of the ISF is as fast as a M3. They even stated during the shoot but that got cut out.

[@Andychengg]

They're buddies and friends before this video, guess you never banter with your friends

[@caribshogun9772]

I'm a lexus man, but the bimmer definitely revs higher.

[@caribshogun9772]

@Administrator that's why I chose the is300 🤣

[@caribshogun9772]

@Administrator Damn an SRT killer👍love it.

[@mr.notso_fast947]

Should have used a 2010+ isf they handle better with the limited slip differential.

[@durkbros7418]

I like the Isf more shit it’s reliable and the engine notes are addicting. Plus the interior is comfy af

[@williambellisIII]

Props to both of you for going on the show. To the BMW guy, working a clutch pedal and stick shift IS driving (and no, I'm not a dual clutch hater). And to the Lexus guy, drive an FK8 Type R on track; it's a Honda that doesn't lack power.

[@kobedabest]

Manual still slower 🤷🏻

[@jaekimchi]

3 seconds a lap faster. Jesus, that's an eternity.

[@limitbreaker0000]

The 2011+ IS-F is 7 seconds faster than the older models at VIR. The mechanical diff in the later IS-F improved it's lap times.

[@d1sturb3d119]

'Track enthusiast" buys car and leaves it with an open diff. Unfortunately that's whats gonna happen

[@Powaup]

Thought the same thing... Even with an LSD I don't think that makes up the 3 second gap on this track but hey at least he's having fun

[@ericinfante624]

2011+ isf should've been here with its lsd, revised suspension, steering and ecu from factory... still awesome to see

[@asiahispanico]

Why not pit a 2011 vs 2011? The 2009 ISF’s dont come with LSD (which has proven to make a huge difference around the track). Besides a drivers race, this 2009 ISF never stood a chance with an open diff

[@limitbreaker0000]

Truth

[@asiahispanico]

BreakerOhio so tired of these damn lopsided comparisons 😂

[@isfrozen3103]

2010+ isf’s are pretty rare it would be harder to find, tbh any isf is rare but especially the 2010+

[@gt1r]

USB_IS500 maybe because they couldn’t just pull a 2011 IS-F out of their ass, and used two cars with two owners willing to put them to the test on track

[@anthonychavez4554]

@@asiahispanico yet the m3 has stock suspension while the isf had kw v3 coils and still Lost by 3 seconds, quit making excuses

[@btownballer27]

Without the LSD diff that sucks for the ISF. Looked sloppy out there. As a track car I'd take a M3 all day but Lexus as a keeper.

[@tintman831]

The steering on the ISF's suck. Steering is kind of important IMO

[@yousef.al-assaf]

@Anita Ayon Absolutely not all. 3rd gen IS handles better than most of its competitors, including the 3 series (except the M3 obviously).

[@TheMauricelemaire]

@@yousef.al-assaf Agree i own a 3rd gen is It handle so well, the steering precision is insane

[@machina_spirit]

Thank you for posting the wheel and tire specs! Im one of those nerds who always checks out a cars wheels and tries to guess what setup haha. Both cars looks so good on their respective wheels. Also ISF guy’s vanos joke was a little dated, vanos was a major issue on the previous gen E46 M3, the E9x’s S65 is actually one of the most reliable M engines. Only weakpoint was the mentioned rod bearings (do them once and forget about it for peace of mind, or regular oil analysis) and throttle actuators (which the later isn’t even that serious, wont cause engine failure just a low power limp mode).

[@TheAllianceEnt]

In the Market for an IS F. This is the exact match up I needed to see

[@markdafunky1]

Just make sure you go for the 2010 and up models

[@d1sturb3d119]

Or swap in a limited slip diff. Personally I like the stiff suspension.

[@markdafunky1]

d1sturb3d yup that’s also another option. The 08-09 suspension was stiff, but actually tolerable for daily driving

[@alexmoroz3243]

Both great cars! I myself have got an '08 ISF as a daily and its excellent for what it is. Don't have an LSD on it but for everyday driving, but its a hell of a lot of fun as-is. I'd rather take my '02 is300 5mt to the track, it's got the factory Torsen and overall is a much more responsive car. Or the M3 of course, no denying it'll be better for setting lap times. As far as a daily thought, the ISF makes for a much more reliable and economical choice for a fun daily!

[@TheRealJetLifeGaming]

E90 M3 all day!!

[@reg15os]

Its only half a day, the other half belongs to mechanics

[@Pin-Din7]

I hope they bring the IS-F back. Guess won't be coming anytime soon with redesign of IS on the way even. Especially since they canceled development on the LC-F. If anything I prefer to see the IS-F being developed again.

[@MultiMindRape]

the torque is backwards on the IS F in the description it's "317" when it should be *371 lb ft.

[@DJFartBox1]

but did it actually matter :)

[@MultiMindRape]

@@DJFartBox1 you answered your own question bruH.

[@DJFartBox1]

@@MultiMindRape it was a rhetoric question, bruh.

[@Bmwguy2011]

An upgraded Camry vs a stellar v-8 Bmw? What’s there to compare?

[@gigi9467]

I like lexus and all but it doesnt have a chance, now a reliability run coast to coast the lexus will win easy

[@riods69]

It’s an 09.. 08/09 always loose, and are always, for some reason, the ones to go up against m’s on review. They don’t even have a diff. 10+ is the opposite. Sub 2.

[@intelligentcarreviews8592]

@Figgy• •• haha...it will man....stop believing the internet

[@intelligentcarreviews8592]

M3 is a better car and just as reliable at the Lexus

[@AG-rk5hj]

Intelligent Car Reviews lol really? My dads old 528i was a PIECE OF SHIT

[@Toyota4Life]

Dude. Motor trend tested the last year ISF 2014 model and it’s set down the same exact last time as the M3 competition so please this lexus lost because it was the first model year before any updates.

[@30minforasn]

Nothing more rare than a v8 in a sports compact sedan. Definitely a dying breed. Or dead.

[@Hole_Motorsports]

The e90 is far from compact. It’s the same size as the e39 m5!

[@30minforasn]

sjpro1 its still a sub compact sports sedan. Whats your point?

[@Hole_Motorsports]

30minforasn subcompact is the size of a fiat 500. The e90 is a mid size sedan. My point is bmws are getting too large. The e90 dwarfs the e36

[@30minforasn]

sjpro1 no dur!! Cars get larger as newer model year come out. Thats just how automakers do it now.

[@Hole_Motorsports]

30minforasn again, not a compact sedan, and it’s way too heavy

[@lathanpankey2173]

Still rather have the ISF and plan on getting one next year . I prefer the look and engine sound and it’s still a pretty quick car. Plus them BMW maintenance cost... whew😅

[@Roly718]

FaCts I hope to get one also I just sold my 07 is350 good car but I want a ISF or a GSF

[@ladjskyline]

Great video. Will what is Your currently set up ISF running at that track???

[@iLLWiLLeM]

1:56.1

[@stevepeters3032]

Looking forward to this. Hopefully the M3 won't spin a bearing.

[@genkideguire]

That was fun to watch. Both cars are awesome.

[@Toyota4Life]

The number year model of the ISF is Crucial. The ISF only lost because it’s not the updated 2014 model. Motor trend tested the 2014 ISF against the V8 competition M3 and they both set down the SAME lap time. The ISF can win it just has to be the later years were lexus updated the entire suspension and changed the diff making the 2008-2009 ISF 2-3 seconds slower then the updated ISF model.

[@xXCorvetteGuruXx]

The e92 m3 wasn't even being sold in 2014. You can't compare it to a later developed car. Compare it to the f80 m3 if you want to talk about 2014+cars. The e90 m3 came out in 2008. Thats 6 years before 2014

[@jaekimchi]

@Toyota4Life give it a break dude. The BMW is just flat out faster.

[@johnpaull135]

If you are talking a 2014 Car then you would need to compare the F80 M3 and believe me the IS-F would not see it for dust. But again that would not be a fair test as the IS-F Chassis is still from that same period of the E9X M3 series.

[@Toyota4Life]

@@jaekimchi give the hating a rest. I’m just educating people on the ISF. The model year is crucial to its lap times

[@30isurfer]

E9x chassis (and I mean chassis not suspension) is one of a kind. It is one of the best balanced, earth planted chassis ever made, even on a stock suspension. So with a decent coil-over setup it can be impossible to compete it even with a faster car from the same segment.

[@espenturbopedersen6017]

They dont live Long i northern Europe, they simply rust to fast under, especially in the back area, where the driveline and suspension are mounted... So chassi may be balanced, but when the backwheels end up in the bumper, then it's going to the scrap yard, in 2022 was a 2009, a 2011 and one 2013 are demolished caused corrosion under in the back area. And that was Just in my local area, i Norway, Scandinavia. I choose Bmw, and they are totaly balanced, usually 50%/50%....✅👍😃

[@klinatoc]

Saw will’s CRX on this track when it was white, flying isn’t enough to describe it.

[@mjdgi1]

The guy with the IS HAS RACE SHOES ON! You can tell just by that he knows what he's doing.

[@bobgrime6983]

Bow to the king. BMW M

[@nhatminh8055]

ISF.... ALL THE WAY!!! Gorgeous looking car.

[@DrivingLine]

It is gorgeous!

[@deonli8014]

Wow I love that red m3

[@jellofuel]

Didn't realize til I read these comments that IS-F has open diff. I was wondering why it was slower when it has a definite advantage in torque.

[@tintman831]

I'll take the E90 all day

[@rafaelgrullon11]

Hell no

[@matreyia]

11:20 is where the winner is announced if you don't have time for this bush beating.

[@spoolindsm127]

So glad he won. Plus, S65 all day.

[@ebereduardogarciasirit621]

So dual clutch automatic to focus on driving? I though driving manual was driving

[@chriswallace9113]

Same here. My E90 M3 has the DCT auto. If there’s a trans that’ll convert a manual shift guy, it’s that one. It really is a great trans and that’s coming from a stick guy.

[@Terre328]

My money was on the E90 for sure, especially when i saw the ISF was a pre 2010 model year. The ISF just was not able to get down the power to the pavement (lack of LSD) and deliver power like the M3 can ( DCT vs torque converter trans). i nearly purchased an E90 M3 before i decided on the ISF i have now. still have that temptation from time to time regardless, good battle, cool episode.

[@intelligentcarreviews8592]

You choosed the wrong car lmao

[@bryansantillano]

Intelligent Car Reviews I prefer the m3 too but don’t bash on people for “buying the wrong car” let people be

[@Terre328]

Intelligent Car Reviews heh. The ISF serves its purpose as a worry free daily driver that also so happens to be fun to drive & capable on track, which I do from time to time on local tracks here in Austin,TX. The e9x M3 on the other hand, I would worry day to day what could go wrong, which to be honest could be worth the trouble because they’re soo good.

[@robstyles2675]

I have a 2010 with borla exhaust I be smashing up on M3s of this year. maybe adding exhaust will actually help it eliminates 2 of the catalytic converters.

[@Terre328]

@@robstyles2675 the loss was not because of a lack of power. This really came down to the ISF not being able to get down power out of corner exits w/ an open diff. a 2010 + w/ the same setup would close the gap without a doubt. But, i still think the E90 would edge out a tad. Also remember the E9x M3's (coupe & sedan ) are slightly lighter cars compared to the ISF. 3715 according to BMW USA & 3800lbs for the ISF

[@xCExVoodoo]

IT COMES DOWN TO THE DRIVER NOT THE CAR. Basically the driver that has the best cornering skills in a automatic winz. The moment i seen the BMW apex skills i knew he won.

[@Areku06]

All Lexus fab boys crying about lsd, but I think it would still lose. Bmw m3 is more setup for track, it has more potential, e90 chassis was ahead of its time.

[@augustortiz]

It seems ISF’s owners got way too triggered by it being an 08. I currently own an E90 M3 and im in the process of selling it to get an IS. The ISF, no matter which year 08,10,13.. will NEVER be as good as a performance car as the M3 without modifications done to the chassis. I would know..I was dead set on getting an ISF. I managed to test an LSD equipped model right before getting my M3.. the motor is incredible, torque absolutely everywhere (more akin to a C63) when the M3 requires a lot more input to get the car moving, the chassis however is noticeably softer under load and the gearbox feels sterile under 5000rpm. The DCT box is lightyears ahead. The only redeeming factor it has over the M3 are the factory Brembo’s which are admittedly a very impressive factory item. That being said, the reliability point is *VERY* valid, my M3 has been relatively reliable (in the 50k miles I have put on it) with the only problems being Throttle Actuators and some really annoying plastic parts going wrong leaving me stranded. As a daily streetcar the ISF is a more solid choice, but anyone who says the ISF is a better Sports car than the M3 are just lying to themselves. Both are fantastic vehicles with clear advantages depending on what your purpose is. The interior of the IS also feels much more cramped than the M3 so there is that. For me the M3 will always occupy a special place in my heart and I would never pick an ISF over it when it comes to driving hard.

[@ruialbertosoares72]

So you guys already knew the E90 has a much better balanced chassis !?!?

[@oloruntosinkinyomi9562]

Exactly..... SEE HOW IT WAS CORNERING THE BENDS

[@staycold547]

This IS-F looks so sick and sharp

[@khalifaskho4223]

Lexus still got my heart 😭

[@duhduhlovo1670]

I would like to see the same power and them switch drivers to see overall results between the cars and drivers

[@micraw714]

Many have tried to bring down the king but few have succeeded 😁 props to both!

[@DrivingLine]

Very true!

[@AG-rk5hj]

King of what? Breaking down🤣

[@jaekimchi]

@@AG-rk5hj 3 seconds faster lol.

[@anthonychavez4554]

@@AG-rk5hj king of embarrassing shit box toyotas

[@ZedNinetySix_]

Considering how much heavier the IS-F is and how bulletproof they are, its damn close! Exceptional car.

[@laidspipe]

My bmw looks just like that one, just missing the v8 😢

[@papapetad]

Just save up for a lexus V8 swap 👍

[@laidspipe]

papapetad I want the m3 v8 instead, the whole car though

[@ali_ing069]

@@papapetad just save up for a is f with bmw s38 3.8 motor swap 👍

[@papapetad]

@@ali_ing069 The S38 is in my eyes the best engine bmw ever built. It is also unobtainium and to me it belongs in an E30 or E36, but we're talking V8 here and bmw can't touch toyota in reliability. The S65 is a cool engine but it's also failure prone and stupid expensive to build. The S62 was better but again expensive to maintain and build. Lexus V8's are plentiful and overengineered. Hell, even a LS swap would make more sense than an S65. I would only consider a S65 swap in an older bmw chassis, again E30 or E36 or something like a 1 series. I am suggesting a lexus swap coz he obviously can't afford an M3 so that swap (or an LS swap) would give him many V8 benefits with much lower maintenance and swap costs to a S65. ISF motor is another story... They're not cheap either but at least they're not built to fail.

[@volt6008]

@@papapetad lol why? Ls swap would Be a better buck for the money. I say leave the Lexuses alone. Unless you want to get a 2jz is300 hell yeah !

[@swagonwheelselites6365]

If u want to be quick as the m3 or faster in an Isf u gotta get the newer ones with the updated limited slip differential.

[@sportcarluxury1924]

Perventative maintnance is key on the BMWs

[@user-zb6ez4jl3u]

Just rod bearings around 100k and you have a solid car

[@ajf5745]

@@user-zb6ez4jl3u the electrics usually go out too though

[@jaekimchi]

@@ajf5745 Nope. S65 pretty much only fault is rod bearings and actuators. Everything else is solid.

[@ajf5745]

@@jaekimchi i meant in general. Past 100k miles most bmws tend to fall apart. Lexuses can do over 300k miles with little maintenance

[@jaekimchi]

@@ajf5745 Source? My E46 is heading to 150k with no issues. M54 engines commonly hit 300k.

[@thedarknike6598]

That high revving naturally aspirated v8 m3 is truly something else . its a shame and also a blessing people don't know what a true ANIMAL it is . comments talking about the isf reliability ... after the rod bearings the m3 is rock solid .... ( 160 miles no problems so far )

[@ChazRedstreake]

I'd still rather have the Lexus LOL

[@Kubs777]

Re-Match please 🙏 hit the Thumbs up if ya'll agree👍 (ISF needs headers and exhaust, maybe tune)

[@hotmetal5]

Love the 4 door m3 😍

[@revmatchtv]

Great work on this video!

[@Rockit181]

Not surprising the M3 was faster on track but i'd pick the IS-F for a street car, because reliability

[@2nch329]

Which car has the raspy sound? I’m guessing e90?

[@RomaneMaticaliseGordon]

The better car won.

[@RichardM479]

I just sold my ISF, and looking to get a dct e90 m3. I loved the ISF but there is almost 0 aftermarket for it, the car tends to get boring after a bit. I think some people really missed how good a driver Will is compared to the other driver, I think if Will had been in the M3 it would have been a few seconds faster.