What is Lordship salvation?

[@therealist1103]

Jesus did not die for Satan and demons, he died for us. Satan and demons are eternally damned so the gospel has no effect on them whatsoever. Jesus said what the will of the father is in John 6:39-40, which is that people would believe in Jesus. Lordship Salvation is not the Gospel.

[@JesusPaidItAll]

Amen bro! So many are deceived by this false, works based gospel.

[@JesusPaidItAll]

"If you have the indwelling spirit and are lead by the Spirit you will be obedient by faith to walk in the Ways of Truth that leads to Eternal Life in The Son. 1 Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. This believer was committing incest, but Paul says kick him out of the church so his spirit could be saved. Not all believers will have works. That is why there are some vessels of honor and dishonor. These verses disprove your works for salvation. I am not debating this issue.

[@JesusPaidItAll]

The book of John is written to believers first of all, so it's not written about salvation. You don't have to look much further than than the first chapter to find the context, fellowship. It is mentioned 4 times in the span of 10 verses. If you look before the the verse you quoted in 1 John 2, you will see who John is addressing. He calls them "My little children" to show, once again, he is talking to believers. You're ignoring the clear context of these verses to promote your false, works for salvation. That is very disingenuous. If a *believer* confesses to know Christ, but walks in darkness (sin) they don't know Christ. That doesn't mean God doesn't know them. A believer can commit all kids of sin. Look at 1 Cor 5, you have a saved brother sleeping with his fathers wife and in verse 5 Paul says "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." Notice that his spirit could still be saved. But you would be quick to say a person like this was unsaved. What about King David who committed adultery and murder? He was saved. What about Lot who lived in Sodom and Gomorrah and committed incest? He was saved. Here is what the Bible says about him. 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: He was righteous, just...a saved person. He didn't have any works to show for his life. He is a picture of a believer who wasted his life and was saved just as by fire (1 Cor 3:15). And this begs the question, who are these people who are saved as by fire, who have all their works burned up? And please explain the purpose of gifts, if every time a person sins God removes their salvation. Also, please explain the purpose of chastening. Why would God discipline his children if he removed their salvation every time they messed up. Furthermore, please explain the prodigal son who was a picture of a son (saved) who rebelled. Why didn't God cast him out because of his sin? Why did God accept him back? He was at the lowest point in his life, eating pig slop. Obedience has to do with a person's walk (sanctification) not their salvation. You have clearly been deceived or misled by a false teacher.

[@cryptfire3158]

@Chelley Hall read your comment. Your right. Easy believism is actually a hypocritical position, they believe if God expects anything of a believer, then according to them it's no longer a free gift, and that's adding works to salvation. The reason why its hypocrisy is because they know we all will be perfectly sinless in heaven, so therefore even 'they' themselves believe 'ALL' christians will walk in righteousness. And thereby their argument is invalid. Do you understand my point? Also Malachi of the bible seems to me, the whole book is a condemnation of those thinking in the style of easy believism. Starting with such expression as "if i be father where is my honor, if i master, where is my fear?"

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Lordship salvation advocates need to drop their self righteous attitude and believe the Gospel

[@jlroussin]

We obey him because we are already saved, out of gratitude for His perfect sacrifice for us. Jesus said come to me all you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.

[@gagewatson9586]

I’m in a season where I keep sinning and I hate that I do it. Any advice from my family in Christ.

[@anthonybalisteri7772]

@@gagewatson9586 Yes. You are beloved. Keep praying for strength.

[@stevenanderson9660]

Even Paul was at war with his flesh. The people that cry out lord lord and Jesus says I never knew you, those people are the ones who boast in the good things they do. The good news is that Jesus accepts you as you are. Repent of your unbelief and believe. The book of John mentions time after time, believe and you will be saved. Never once does John say you must repent of your sins.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@stevenanderson9660 Sounds like someone thinks they can continue sinning and God will make an exception for them and say come on in.

[@stevenanderson9660]

@@2Chronicles714_ not an exception, just forgiveness

[@allankirkendall8990]

I think John 6:29 is the key here. There Jesus says “This is THE work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” Everything starts with believing that God sent/came in Jesus in the flesh. Nothing good can be done without first believing in Jesus. This is the truth Jesus spoke.

[@dirtydawgj]

Speaking from experience, falling from grace. Like Paul said I know what I would do but do what I would not, I paraphrase. I was walking with the Lord and like David I fell flat on myself! Oh how I grieved God and my spirit, it was almost like being possessed. Thankfully I was convicted in the spirit and He once again turned me around and back into His arms. My prayer for all of you is that you NEVER have to go through this. Be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ and trust in HIM. AMEN

[@SurfahSistah]

I too when I look back at my fall, almost feel like I was possessed!

[@matt21_22]

@James Mosher if you are constantly slipping and slipping, you need to get grounded in Jesus. Believe and study the bible.

[@matt21_22]

@James Mosher What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid

[@sebastiansingh5167]

Conviction or grieving the spirit is an indication that God is in you

[@jesusislord2515]

Amen! I myself experienced this. Like Dr. Barnett speaks here, my turning took 20 years! However, through God's timing and chastisement, I want to spend the rest of my life serving him. Now, for His glory, I have an amazing testimony to share with world!

[@AJTramberg]

Excellent defense of the true gospel. Repentance is NOT works.

[@rolandweibel]

Repentance from unbelief to believe is NOT works, because it's faith. Repentance and turning from all your sins is very hard work that we do every day... or does this just come naturally to you? Turning from sins is definitely hard work, and this Professor here doesn't get it, don't listen to him, and not to John McArthur either.

[@lawrence1318]

Repentance is works if it's you doing the repenting.

[@jimkraft9445]

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, not of works, lest any man should boast. True believers have nothing to boast in because we did nothing for it. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. What do you have to do for a free gift? Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVE on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. What happens when we believe on Jesus as the only way of salvation plus nothing. Romans 4:6-8 He imputes His righteousness to us, and will no more impute sin to our account. All our sin debt past, present, and future sins are paid. We can no longer be condemned. John 3:18. All works based salvation is false. We can only be saved by what Jesus did for us plus nothing. Romans 11:6 It is all grace, not works, no man can save himself. Matthew 7:21-23 Many will come before me on that day and boast in all their good works. But, Jesus said, they never did the will of my Father. What is the will of His Father? John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. How long does everlasting life last? Forever. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But only those who believe it are saved. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that BELIEVETH on me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Jesus can not lie. John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, EVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE ON HIS NAME. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Jesus never gave any one temporary life, or probationary life. Only eternal life, and we only have to do one thing to receive the free Gift. Just believe Jesus paid our sin debt in full, and we can never be condemned again. If salvation is not a free gift, then it is not the salvation of the bible. Repent means to turn from what you were trusting in to save you, your works, to trusting in what Jesus did to save you, His finished work on the cross as full payment for all our sin debt.

[@jimkraft9445]

By the way, drinking is not a sin. Drunkeness is. Colossians 2:16 Let no man, therefore, judge you in food, or in DRINK, or of a feast day, or of the new moon, or of a Sabbath day. Jesus turned water in to wine, not grape juice.

[@wbl5649]

So basically you are saying those listed in this verse ARE going to heaven, if they just "believe" Jesus died for their sins even though they constantly continue to live in the sins...you are preaching heresy. " Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

[@jimkraft9445]

NO one will enter heaven without His righteousness. Romans 4:6 John 6:47. John 3:18. First John 5:13. You can not earn your way to heaven. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, First John 1:8, and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus finished work on the cross alone apart from works. Our works can not save sinners which we all are. Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:9-10. The un righteous are trusting in their own works to save themselves. Matthew 7:21-23, They never did the will of His Father in Heaven. John 6:40 and John 6:29. If good works and keeping the law would save sinners, then Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:21

[@jimkraft9445]

If we continue to live in those sins named after we have received the free gift of eternal life, and are sealed by the Holy Spirit, born again, Ephesians 1:13-14, God does chasten His children. First Corinthians 5:5 You can lose your life, and your rewards in heaven, but not eternal life. First Corinthians 3:15. That would make God a liar. John 5:24 John 3:16. First John 2:2. And the gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4. We are all sinners to a degree because we are not perfect yet in the flesh. It is only our soul/spirit that is saved. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Gods word, not mine. John 3:16. If you say that is not true, then you are calling God a liar. John 3:18. John 6:47. John 10:28-29. Double eternal security.

[@asaiyannamedtomoa2458]

@@jimkraft9445 yes jesus died in vain if we do good works of the law.. and repenting g of sins is a good work of the law and No One under law is justified . Repentance of sins is a good work of the law.. but the law was nailed to the cross

[@johncalvinhall]

Lordship Salvation is a theological construct proposed by those who see the dangers of "saying a quick prayer" without having any belief. This is why they love to throw around the straw-man called "Easy Believism" (which is ALSO a theological construct). The problem is that Lordship Salvation invariably leans on a physical (i.e. carnal?) need to prove salvation through good works. I cannot judge Dr. Barnett's heart, but I can say this: ANYONE WHO BASES THEIR SALVATION ON GOOD WORKS IS NOT SAVED (Gal 1:6-9, Eph 2:8-9; Titus 3:5-7). Do I want to do good works? Yes. Do I want to bring forth fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23)? Absolutely! Is my desire to make Jesus Christ Lord over every single aspect of my life and being??? Without a doubt. But my salvation: my hope and glory is BASED ENTIRELY on the FINISHED WORK OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE, and not on my good works! We are not justified by our works, but by GRACE ALONE (Rom. 3:24; 3:28; Titus 2:11; 3:7). ANYONE who teaches otherwise, may the Lord rebuke them.

[@ejay3835]

Amen

[@swtor20]

Amen brother.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Lordship Salvation, means that we recognize Him for who He is and give Him the honor that He is due by surrendering to Him in obedience. He has earned it; He is worthy of it. Ultimately, this is how our walk with Christ should begin, by recognizing and confessing that He is Lord. This is how salvation is obtained, by this very recognition.

[@johncalvinhall]

@@2Chronicles714_ If this is all Lordship Salvation entailed there would be no disputing, but MacArthur and his disciples don't stop there. Back when I first read JM's book back in the 80s, I agreed with it. I thought just as you did. But when you study out their train of reasoning boils down to the belief that if Jesus Christ is not Lord OF ALL, He is not Lord AT ALL. And this is nothing more than Sinless Perfectionism. Query, do you still sin? If you say "No," you make God a liar (1 Jon 1:8). If you believe in Sinless Perfection, then Paul wrote Romans as a Lost Person (Rom. 7:18-24). Lordship Salvation is nothing more than a way for Nicolaitans to feel superior over the masses.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@johncalvinhall So you buy into the so-called free grace movement that started in the 1970's by Jack Hyles, Charles Ryrie,Hank Lindstrom,,Curtis Hutson and Zane Hodges who "rewrote" in essence much of scripture that, completely moved away from repenting of sin, the teaching priority of Jesus,John the Baptist Peter and Paul in essence creating a license to sin with the promise of simply believing at one point, and the promise of eternal life regardless of how you live? The perfect laws of God that we couldn't keep so Jesus died and rose again as our sacrifice. Now suddenly we're told since we are under Grace we shouldn't even want to obey God's law or even walk in Holiness, because doing so now is considered works. This demonic deception doctrine will cause countless people eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.

[@scotthull2141]

that "change of mind" is the Work of God! your mind is changed because a Truth is revealed to you...Paul didn't remove the scales from his own eyes

[@livingwater7580]

amen brother, a sinner repents when he is convicted of unbelief by the holy spirit when the TRUTH is preached to him John 16 "OF SIN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME " I call it BELIEVISM or FAITH the problem is they dont believe that by believing you are saved eternally there has to be more, the word repentance is not in the gospel of John. be blessed in loving spirit in the the risen SAVIOR Jesus name JOHN 11 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? JOHN 20 30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

[@teemu1381]

living water- The book of John is great! John 3:18 and John 3:36 makes clear why someone is not saved (unbelief),not too mention believing is the work of God (John 6:28-29), no can come except the father draws him and unless its given (John 6:44 and 65)

[@kingdele01]

However, we can keep our eyelids closed!

[@cryptfire3158]

@@livingwater7580 but easy believism doesn't believe in Jesus. They accept the gift and not the giver. They want Jesus only as a retirement plan, not as Lord. That's like trying to marry someone for their money, that's not faith

[@deemarie9945]

@@cryptfire3158 not so...they don't believe in their total depravity.

[@36742650885]

The pendulum between licentiousness and legalism produces Pride bondage, and despair rather than being led by the Spirit May we all by the mercy of God allow him to lead us. and allow him to put to death the evil desires of our flesh 🙏

[@kingdele01]

You are right! I have noticed that whenever I go to the Bible to help justify my doctrinal positions, I hardly receive any live transforming teaching from the Lord. But whenever go there to hear from the Lord for my life, I am able to perceive His still small voice!

[@tabasco7915]

Amen! Amen!

[@MrRyjax99]

no word of dispensation in this study...Jesus was teaching "Jews" in Matthew, and hadn't died on the cross yet. Paul was teaching "gentiles" AFTER the death of Jesus on the cross...no wonder people are confused...context context context

[@lavieenrose5954]

Ryan Jackson So you may as well throw out the words of Jesus and keep Romans to Philemon as your gospel. The book of Matthew was written from a Jewish perspective to a Jewish audience of *_believers in Jesus Christ_* . Dispensationalists are ruining Christianity with their unscriptural beliefs including the fallacy of a secret rapture too.

[@swtor20]

@@lavieenrose5954 Amen, 2 Timothy 2:15 gets twisted and distorted by dispensationalists to the point where it's not even funny. When you have to have a proof text or a single verse for your theology, you know something is wrong.

[@freddygalaxy3277]

Exactly

[@freyaaldrnari6086]

Jesus was speaking to the Jews. Then He appears to Saul who becomes Paul. Pauls gospel is to the gentiles. He didn't come to baptise... He came to preach what Jesus told him to preach.

[@brightideas5782]

So happy you can't lose your salvation ☺ redeemed, sanctified, sealed ,paid for by Jesus who took our place so we could have salvation a free gift not of ourselves, it's not our ability to keep us saved it's his ability to keep us , he sealed us we belong to Jesus /God 💖

[@matthewmendez2394]

You can tho

[@matthewmendez2394]

Do t ignore Hebrews

[@alliebahbah7139]

@@matthewmendez2394 written to Hebrews

[@matthewmendez2394]

@@alliebahbah7139 wdym

[@LuisConcepcion_grace]

@@matthewmendez2394 they weren’t accepting Jesus as the final sacrifice for Their sins and went back to animal sacrifices we must read in context read 1 Corinthian chapter 5 it’s clear he was in willful sin yet still saved

[@douglaspendergraft1055]

Adhering to the "Saved by grace alone" or "Just believe" doctrine while throwing all the other verses out the window is a pretty gutsy move. That would tell me that the apostle Paul was going around, preaching a gospel that goes beyond "faith alone". Paul said in Galatians 1:9 that everyone is accursed that preaches another gospel than the one he preached. Taking only Acts 16:30-31 as the entirety of the bible would tell us that no repentance of any kind is needed for salvation. Acts 16:30 Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” In addition, only the person asking what he needed to do to be saved would need to "believe". This infers that the rest of his household could be complete atheists, yet would be saved. Are we having a contest to water down the Word of God until it has absolutely no effect? If so, the entire population of earth should read ONLY Titus 3:5 and see that Jesus already saved us by His mercy and we don't have to do a single thing. Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost If we take this one verse literally, without reading any other in the bible, one could come to the conclusion that: 1) They don't even need to "Believe in Jesus" to be saved, because this verse doesn't say anything about belief. 2) They don't need to hear the Word 3) They don't need to read the Word 3) No relationship with God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is needed. 4) Hell is completely empty because everyone already got saved by His "mercy". 5) Sin as much as you want to, because repentance (to turn away from sin) wasn't specifically mentioned in this verse, either. If this is the case, then ask yourself: Why is there even a judgment of man (Revelation 20:12-15)? Why is there a Gospel? And why is there even a Bible? It's as if we one has come to the point of saying, "Sorry God, but I'm not going to obey Your Gospel because, after all, obeying is a work." If one is going to take the "minimalist" doctrine to the nth degree, then you should end up with something similar to the above. Take this approach and you will eventually find out that God is NOT playing around. He will not be mocked and ignored. In flaming fire, God will take vengeance on those that do not know Him and do not obey the Gospel of Jesus Christ (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9). The Word of God commands us to make our calling and election "sure", not "minimal" (2 Peter 1:10). It also instructs us to study the word to show ourselves approved (2 Timothy 2:15). The best policy is to read the ENTIRE Word of God for yourself to find out what the TRUE DOCTRINE and TRUE GOSPEL really is and then OBEY that gospel. If you are genuinely seeking God on this topic, He will most definitely fill in the blanks on any questions you have. All you have to do is ask Him in sincerity. When the disciples preached the Gospel, what did the hearers of that Gospel actually do? 1) They repented. 2) They got baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins. 3) They received the Promise of the Father - The baptism of the Holy Ghost. If a person truly BELIEVES the gospel, they will OBEY the gospel. In addition, once that individual experiences the grip of sin unravelling and being removed from their life and the POWER of the Holy Ghost living inside, they will NOT be ashamed of that gospel, even as Paul declared in Romans 1:16. God provided the plan of salvation for all men, women and children when He was under no obligation to do so. This is the very demonstration of His grace and mercy. Arguing against Lordship salvation is not the issue here. The real problem is that one can argue so hard against works that they take it over the edge and completely IGNORE and therefore REJECT the instructions given from the Gospel, stating that those are works as well. THIS IS DECEPTION OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. Do yourself a HUGE favor. Don't take reckless chances with your salvation. OBEY the TRUE GOSPEL.

[@mimisgirls1]

Thank you for this teaching on this issue. I've been a born again Christian for over 50 years, and just recently heard of Lordship Salvation. As I read the comments here, I can see how its permeated the thinking of people calling themselves Christians, and its sad to see deception and lies so readily accepted as truth. To say you are a Believer, yet refuse to call Jesus "Lord" is foolish and shows lack of Holy Spirit leading, making me wonder if they are saved at all. When you are born again, you want to serve the Lord, please Him with your actions and thoughts, humble yourself to His sovereignty, turn away...repent...from sinful behavior, and recognize that God has provided us with salvation with the promise of eternal life with Him through the sacrificial blood of our Savior, Jesus Christ. To say you "believe" but refuse to follow and obey His commands is the most prideful, self-righteous, arrogant attitude any person could have. I would expect that from an atheist, but not from some one that calls his/herself a Christian. Being self-deceived because of refusal to see the truth when its very clearly presented in the Bible is a choice that will be punished. Its called blasphemy...that is in the Bible. If anyone wants to call that adding to the Gospel, or a "work", then you just haven't read the Bible at all, and if you did, you did it without the help of the Holy Spirit, and if that's the case, you aren't saved, because when one is born again, they receive the Holy Spirit.

[@hellbillyoutlaw8719]

Prideful self righteousness him sounds like majority of lordship Christians.

[@dhuki]

This is why Lordship Salvationists are fruit inspectors. They always expect someone to do these things, otherwise they'll say: "That person is not saved!" They do not leave place for babes in Christ. They never judge themselves, but always others, looking at people's works. Giving the fact that you say anyone that believes but does not follow and obey God's commandments is "prideful, self-righteous and arrogant", I'll assume you're a prideful, self-righteous and arrogant man. You have sinned, you did not obey and follow God. Does that hurt you? Until you apply your own judgment to yourself, you'll be blind but your own self-righteousness. Because you are blind right now. Since you're defending Lordship Salvation, I'll say you're not saved. Any person who believes you have to "repent from your sins" for salvation is not saved. So, kindly I suggest you, to trust on Jesus 100%, for that he died on the cross, was buried and resurrected for your sins, that he paid the price for every of your sins, and trust on that alone.

[@stephenbarningham330]

Salvation is by FAITH ALONE! IN CHRIST ALONE!Repentence is merely changing ones mind from "whatever" to Jesus Christ!

[@2Chronicles714_]

If one doesn't repent of sin they don't have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@stephenbarningham330 Repentance means change your mind about about your sins all sins including unbelief.

[@normgardner4560]

Thank you for this CRUCIAL teaching!! So desperately needed in these times of rampant deception!

[@rolandweibel]

You are completely misinterpreting Matthew 7:22. Actually, it rebukes salvation by "wonderful" works. And it is saying that it's by faith alone. Those who do the "will of the Father", as per John 6:40: "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day." So, Mr. Professor, please don't be condemning "Easy Believism", because that is exactly the Biblical salvation that God has for us. It's not that hard: I'm a sinner, He's the Savior, I believe on Him, He saves me. That wasn't so hard, right? You're making the Gospel difficult by asking a complete change of life, which is separate. Justification and sanctification are not the same, nor do they go hand in hand. Stop listening to John McArthur. In case you haven't noticed, all famous preachers are phony!

[@charleshughes1141]

So do you believe you can just believe and not repent? A true belief in God will lead to repentance with the conviction of the holy spirit....we can't live crazy and in sin and think its ok....like Paul said its not a license to sin. God bless you brother

[@rolandweibel]

@@charleshughes1141 The word "repent" in the context of salvation means turning from unbelief to belief, not turning from all of your sins. If we had to turn from our sins to be saved, we'd all be going to hell. The Apostle Paul himself said that he is carnal and sold under sin (Romans 7:14). Was he not saved? Turning from sin is something that every believer should be doing daily, but it has nothing to do with salvation. Salvation is a free gift, and has to be received as such. Remember the Bible telling us that we have to receive it like a child? A child doesn't get confused on Christmas morning; a child rips open the present and receives the gift. We adults make salvation complicated and want to pay for it by our good behavior. Please trust on Christ's righteousness alone for your salvation, because the life that you are leading is not a holy as you think it is!

[@robertyglesias3692]

The word and meaning of Believe is a misconception in this day and age , believe comes with repentance, taking yourself to cross daily , and submitting to Yeshua as Lord Being a new creation in Christ Jesus ,.

[@rolandweibel]

@messenger ministries I reject John McArthur. Did you not read my post? Matthew 7 is refuting people who trust in their works to save them. The "will of the Father" is to believe on Christ (as found in John 6:40). Again I'm exactly repeating my previous. Sharpen your pencil, friend! You can get the Bible to say anything you want by ripping verses out of context. Discipleship and obedience is God's will, but not a requirement for salvation. Don't you go banking your salvation on your level of obedience. If you were honest, you'd admit that you're still a sinner unworthy of heaven. It's Christ's righteousness imputed unto us freely by faith alone that saves us. And thanks for assuming that I'm not saved! Take your false ministry somewhere else!

[@rolandweibel]

@messenger ministries Faith is a lukewarm excuse to you? You are not trusting Christ for salvation! Good luck on Judgment Day!

[@derdeolifant]

Don't cling to "I made a decision", cling to "has God moved in and transformed my life". Both of those phrases are foreign to scripture. How about neither of these: How about believing the word of the gospel in faith? Surely it is the gospel that is the power of God to salvation for all who believe.

[@mikerems8861]

You're right. You do not see the EXACT phrase in scripture, and i agree with your statement which states: "Surely it is the gospel that is the power of God to salvation for all who believe." I have a question though: your statement, "Surely it is the gospel that is the power of God to salvation for all who believe." in its EXACT form, is it not foreign to scripture? If not, what translation?

[@Darkul81]

1 John uses that exact test. "...that you might know you have eternal life." And what is the test? That we no longer live in sin and we love. Keep in mind that faith in Jesus always produces something visible for all to see. If you look and act like the world then Christ is not in you.

[@livingwater7580]

@@Darkul81 that's not true the prodigal son took his INHERETANCE and blew it but never lost his sonship, and God chasten all his children whom he receives, FAITH and obedience is not the gospel. the COVENENT between father and son PSALM 89 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endurefor ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; note 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. notenote 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. note 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

[@livingwater7580]

@@Darkul81 your in error 1 John does not say that, here is what 1st John says 1 John 5 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may "KNOW"that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. Stop adding the law as part of salvation. read Roman's 4 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Roman's 5 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law what did Jesus nail to the cross ? he nailed the law the handwriting of ordinances that condemned us . be blessed and study.

[@livingwater7580]

@@Darkul81 really if you are saved you will produce works , what about the Corinthian were 100% carnal, according to you they weren't saved. Catholics and all other religions believe in faith plus works. where does James tell the brethren faith without works your going to hell or your not saved , show where James says that. brother believe the gospel, trust in the lord, rest in his finished works and he will do the mighty works through you, become teachable young brother. be blessed in loving spirit

[@oliverjuria993]

How could it be Easy believism when billions of people find it very hard to believe in Jesus as the Messiah, the Saviour and Son of God? That even His own people, the Jews , in their unbelief, rejected Jesus. It is not "easy" to believe in SOMEONE whom I did not even see, but I believe in Jesus Christ as my Saviour, who died for me, who rose again so that I will live with Him for eternity.

[@JShay18]

Even Satan believes that Christ rose from the dead. Do you think he is going to heaven ?

[@jimkraft9445]

Lordship salvation is salvation by works and not grace. It is a counterfeit gospel that we can save ourselves and Jesus died in vain. Matthew 7:21-23 They trusted in their works, but never did the will of His Father in heaven. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise Him up on the last day. Easy believism is salvation by grace. Would you rather have hard believism? John 6:47 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that BELIEVETH on me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who have believed it are saved. First Timothy 2:4 Who would have all men be saved and come unto the knowledge of the TRUTH. Romans1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) for it is the power of God unto salvation, to every one that BELIEVETH, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Making Jesus Lord of your life never saved one person. We are saved by believing Jesus finished work on the cross plus nothing. Not our works. God will not accept our works. Only Jesus works can save sinners which we all are. First John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH is not in us.

[@rolandweibel]

Exactly right!

[@robertyglesias3692]

No it’s not , Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them , He also said you can’t serve 2 masters . So either Yeshua is Lord of all not Lord at all . Only God can see the hearts of man , no man can . And everyone will be judged by their works . It’s in the chapter 22 of revelation , so it’s not a dispensation thing . So the fruits ( it works ) is the only way we as men can tell . Simple stuff folks . Not everyone who says Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven .

[@jimkraft9445]

Matthew 7:21. You never did the will of my Father in heaven. John 6:40. And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:29 Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God that ye believe on the one He has sent. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Lordship salvation is man trying to earn his way to heaven. Not the free gift of God by faith alone apart from works. There will be no boasting in heaven. Romans 3:26-28. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, though Jesus Christ our Lord. You can not boast in a free gift that we did nothing for. The GIFT of God is eternal life. A gift is given by the giver who paid for the GIFT. A reward is something you earn or work for. No one can earn eternal life. Sinners can not pay their own debt. Jesus paid the debt and set us free. John 3:18 No longer condemned to hell. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Gods word. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you , he that believeth on me HATH (present tense) EVERLASTING LIFE. If you have everlasting life today, you will still have it 1,000 years from now. The GIFT of God is eternal life. Not a reward for good behavior, but a free gift.

[@robertyglesias3692]

No man can work his way , that’s why Jesus died for all and now your body belongs to Him , and to follow Him as Lord . Paul says it’s your reasonable service !!!! We are definitely in the last days , and you need to study , grace , sanctification and justifications.. stop drinking milk and start eating meat . Grace Romans 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 1 Corinthians 6 18 ¶ Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your bodyfn and in your spirit, which are God’s.. 1 Corinthians 3 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

[@robertyglesias3692]

Living Sacrifices to God 1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

[@patricj951]

Lordship salvation is religious damnation. It tells you that Jesus' sacrifice and obedience was not enough to save you, but that you need to complement His perfect righteousness with your filthy righteousness. Jesus paid it all, and He said IT'S FINISHED. Your part is to believe on Him. From the very moment you do that you are instantly justified and redeemed with God. The gospel is easy and simple. Never let anyone take away the simplicity of the gospel with adding of requirements to your faith. All God's requirements are once for all fulfilled by Jesus when He died for our sins and rose from the dead!

[@martin9410]

It was amazing to hear this speaker sound authoritative and yet be so wrong. First, he strips "free gift," from the gospel by his works based theology. He also scans over popular texts like Luke 3:19 and others. What was the context of 3:19? It wasn't about repentance "of sins," but rather, repentance regarding the Lord. Changing their minds and believing Him to be the the Messiah and placing their trust in Him. He also mentions Romans 10:9-10 but sadly turns it into a works passage. The word, "confess," in the Greek means to "be in agreement with." Paul is saying that if you're in agreement that Jesus is Lord (in other words the Son of God) and believe in your heart the Gospel message, namely, that our hope of salvation is found in Jesus, you'll be saved. It's basically believing and trusting in Jesus for salvation. Paul describes the repentance well in Acts 20:21, "solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ." It was not a repentance of sins, but rather a "repentance toward God." A change of mind regarding God. Why in the entire book of John that was written to bring people to Jesus is there not one mention of repentance? It was only trust in Jesus! It's because repentance and belief were used interchangeably, basically meaning the same thing or at the very least overlapping. This is the danger of a well respected teacher who sounds professional, confident and sure of himself: he can merely convince his audience on his demeanor and style. Then I couldn't believe that he used Matthew 7:21-23, "21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’" Somehow he had changed this into a works passage, but what does it really say? First this discussion will happen on "that day." What day? Probably meaning the day of the Great White Throne judgement as found in Revelation 20. What will be their defense on that day? "We prophesied in Your Name, cast out demons, perform many miracles..." So what is their line of defense to be admitted into the Lord's kingdom? It's all the things they did. They weren't saying, "I trusted in Jesus, the Son of God." What is this "will" that Jesus spoke about? Notice John 6:40, " For this is the WILL of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.” This passage, rather than making the presenter's case, defeats it! He speaks about being a "new creation." That is true, John speaks of this in 1 John. Paul speaks of the struggle between the flesh and the spirit in Romans 7. What is the "new creation." That is the part of us that Christ has made pure, sinless and holy, otherwise, we could never be saved. This doesn't describe our fleshly nature, but certainly our righteous one (new creation). He also misquotes a passage in James. He mentions the demons believing and shuttering. He says it's in chapter one, however, it's in chapter two. What he fails to mention or perhaps doesn't know is that demons can't be saved, for Jesus didn't die for them. They have no hope even if they changed! Plus, this comment was probably made by the one arguing with James as James presents this hypothetical figure who is debating with him. Remember there are no quotations, periods, etc. in the Greek, so it's up to the translators to guess where it might be placed. He mentions Acts 26:18 "to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me.’" He gives his own spin on this passage based upon his theology, but what does the verse really say? "...turn from darkness to light..." This is not involving works or anything akin to it. How are they in darkness? They are blinded to the saving knowledge of Jesus. Who is the light? Jesus! They are saved by "faith in Me." I guess when you deny Jesus' words that salvation is a "free gift," for those that believe and begin adding works, it's easy to read things into these verses that isn't there.

[@ordinarychap1085]

John 7: "Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own." Matthew 5: "Be holy, therefore, as your heavenly Father is holy" Matthew 25: “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." John 3: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Revelation 20: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works." 1st John 3: "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." 2 Corinthians 7: " let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit. And let us work toward complete holiness because we fear God." 1st Peter 1: "And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do." Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened." Matthew 12: "The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here." Ephesians 5: "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." James 2: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." 1st Thessalonians 1: "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father"

[@jjjj-ss8dq]

Huge amen martin

[@carrotstick1970]

There is one grateful, solemn, sincere “Amen” in regard to all you wrote above. Thank you. Thank you.

[@martin9410]

@@carrotstick1970 my pleasure

[@martin9410]

@@jjjj-ss8dq yw

[@john316truth5]

He sounds a lot like a Catholic. Boasting of works, at 12:41 he invents a new gospel where he says if you believe and follow to "some" degree.... he is really confused, how much do we have to follow? how many sins are we allowed to do where people like this think we are still saved? Which sin breaks the deal? They can't answer it. They see a problem of people saying they are saved but living, in their minds, in un-godly lives, and they assume they are not saved. He also uses some strange argument that even Satan believes therefore we must do more? Why, is he saying we are like Satan? We are fallen angels? very strange, no matter how they try to hide it, Lordship salvation is doing works to prove you are saved. The verse he quotes fits Lordship cult to a "T", Matthew 7:21, many people will do works and wonder why they are not in heaven...

[@rolandweibel]

Exactly right!

[@danstone8783]

I was saved at 8 years old. I didn't have some life changing change in my lifestyle because I was 8 years old. The only thing that changed was that I believed on Jesus for salvation because he died for my sins and before that I don;t know that I believed anything. I was 8 years old. So, without this change in my life was I saved then or is it a waste of time to preach the gospel to children and even a hindrance because I didn;t get the chance to get really deep into a sinful lifestyle that I could then turn from. I have never believed anything other than Faith in Jesus as the means by which I have access to His grace, but certainly I have not lived a sin free life. AM I saved John?

[@Superman111181]

Dan, you are saved by Grace through faith. If this has occurred, you will see a pattern of developing holiness as fruits of the Holy Spirit. It's not that complicated

[@danstone8783]

@@Superman111181 So what you are saying is that God is a liar because He said he was not a respecter of persons, but the thief on the cross to whom Jesus said "Today shalt thou be with me in paradise'" did not have to show a pattern of developing holiness to get into heaven but I do and everyone else does too. Right? You should post a list of holiness achievement levels or benchmarks expected so as to not leave others in confusion about just what they have to do to be saved.

[@Superman111181]

@@danstone8783 here: Galatians 5:22-24 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, [23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. [24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." You believe that?

[@jjjj-ss8dq]

@@danstone8783 huge amen Dan you show how foolish lordship salvationists look because they speak in extremely general terms because they cannot get specific or they will imidietly be in a corner and proved wrong.

[@danstone8783]

@James Mosher So what's your point? Do you doubt my salvation?

[@silvertbird1]

This is why I believe as the Primitive Baptist. Salvation, meaning regeneration, is solely the work of the Sovereign Lord toward His elect, and everyone else is just discussing conversion, or being saved to the knowledge of the truth in this life. Conflating regeneration with conversion is what leads to confusion. confessing belief, repentance, etc., per the gospel is toward conversion. One can only be converted if one has first been regenerated. Anything else is a works based salvation, and we bring nothing to the table.

[@AlbertIsraeli]

אמן ואמן! Amen and Amen!

[@datchet11]

Justification and sactification are different we are justified by believing in Christ alone and his finished work on the cross we are sanctified by Gods holy spirit we strive by Gods help to live holy lives, not to be saved but because we are saved.

[@alliebahbah7139]

Amen! I think this just highlights how many misconstrue words and their definitions. I mean, I don’t remember where Abraham repented or Noah, they were just righteous and they believed. They also both sinned, and they also both repented for grieving our Heavenly Father. The MacArthur crowd puts a burden on people at the same time, believing in OSAS is just not the same thing as casually walking an isle, therefore saved. I hate that this all gets so twisted. There are peoples souls at stake who are kept in mental turmoil because they always question their salvation due to lordship salvation and Calvinism. How is one to know if they are saved if they’re one of those “slow movers” in repentance? Especially if on the way they fall in and out of sin? Maddening

[@datchet11]

@@alliebahbah7139 well actually I think calvinism is biblical. And I think that if Jesus is your saviour he is naturally your Lord, the to go hand in hand it makes no sense to say Jesus is my saviour but not my Lord.

[@jesussaves7973]

@@datchet11 my pastor always tells us that if Jesus is not LORD (capital letters ) of your life, He is not Lord at all

[@datchet11]

@@jesussaves7973 and your Pastor is correct my friend 🙂

[@jjjj-ss8dq]

@@alliebahbah7139 amen

[@joshholcombe612]

Wrong. You re define repentance to make ppl trust their own being good to save them. If you can’t see that, you’re blind. Faith alone is the gospel.

[@jimkraft9445]

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Repentance for salvation is to change your mind, the Greek word metanoia, from trusting in what we do to save us, our works, to trusting in Jesus finished work on the cross as the only way of salvation plus nothing. Romans 6:23 for the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Repenting of sin saves no one. Turning from sin to God saves no one. keeping the law and doing good works saves no one. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. When we believe the gospel, First Corinthians 15:1-4 We are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, unto the day of redemption. born again, born of God. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also AFTER ye believed, (not before) ye were sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise. We can not be saved by one thing we do or do not do, we can only be saved by what Jesus did for us plus nothing. No works. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace ye are saved, through FAITH, and that not of yourselves, it is the GIFT of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. The GIFT of God is eternal life. You can not boast in a free gift. If it was not a free gift, no one could be saved. Romans 3:23 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God, All, not some. Romans 3:10 There is none righteous, no not one. So we are all ungodly sinners headed for hell. But Jesus came down from heaven and paid for the sins of the whole world, so that anyone who would believe he did it for them, He would give them eternal life. First John 2:2. It is the seal of the Holy Spirit that is our righteousness before God. Romans 4:5-8 But to the one that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man to whom the lord imputeth righteousness without works. Blessed is the man who sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE, or not at all. Lordship salvation is mixing salvation with discipleship. You can not be saved by following Jesus or making Him Lord of your life. You can only be saved by believing He died for all our sins and we can never be condemned again. John 3:18. Unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God. John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the children of God, even to them that BELIEVE on His name. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Lordship salvation is discipleship without salvation. It is following Jesus like Judas, but never believing our sin debt has been paid in full and we can never be condemned again. Colossians 2:13 He has forgiven us ALL trespasses. The thief on the cross did nothing but believe Jesus was who He was who He said He was, and was saved in an instant. Romans 4:5. John MacArthur, RC Sproul, and all the other Calvinist are preaching a gospel of works, and believe Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:21. They are Matthew 7:21-23 Boasting in their good works, but have never accepted His free gift of salvation by grace. They have never done the will of His Father. John 6:40 and John 6:29.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Lordship Salvation : Romans 10:9-10 If you declare with your mouth, “JESUS IS LORD ” and BELIEVE IN your HEART that GOD raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. 10For it is with your HEART that you BELIEVE and are JUSTIFIED, and it is with your MOUTH that you PROFESS YOUR FAITH and ARE SAVED. Philippians 2-10 that at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every TONGUE ACKNOWLEDGE that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER. Anyone who rejects Making Jesus Lord will be cast into the lake of fire But first they kneel and CONFESS THAT JESUS CHRIST IS LORD,TO THE GLORY OF GOD. Much better to do willingly in your heart and with your mind while you are alive.

[@jimkraft9445]

First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. I can not go to hell no matter what. John 3:18. John 6:47. Why do you call God a liar? John 10:28-29. Lordship salvation is works salvation. It means Jesus died for nothing and we can save ourselves. Counterfeit gospel of works. Romans 11:6. Romans 4:5. You can not boast in a free gift that we did nothing for. Romans 6:23. Romans 3:26-28. John 3:16-18. John 10:28-29. When are you going to believe the gospel and be saved forever. First Corinthians 15:3-4. Either John 3:16 Jesus said it, we believe it, and that settles it. You are either a whosoever or a notsoever. John 3:18

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jimkraft9445 It is you who are deceived by Yankee. Jude 1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are UNGODLY PEOPLE, who PERVERT THE GRACE of our God into a LICENSE for IMMORALITY and DENY JESUS CHRIST OUR ONLY SOVEREIGN AND LORD. You say I believe with your lips but you refuse to believe in your heart. Yankeeism rejects making Jesus Lord. You will bow and you will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God. You REJECT MAKING JESUS CHRIST LORD Mocking our precious LORD, FALSELY claiming its works. You are right GOD CANNOT LIE! Anyone who rejects Jesus Is Lord will be cast into the lake of fire.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jimkraft9445 You are the one who is making Jesus death in vain. Why do you refuse to repent of your sins and declare Him Lord ? You want heaven, but wont submit to Him in obedience. No unrepentant sinner will ever be allowed in regardless of how scriptures you claim that all you must do is say I believe only. Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one SINNER THAT REPENTETH, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no REPENTANCE.” Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore FRUITS WORTHY OF REPENTANCE, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.”

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jimkraft9445 1 John 2:3-6 And we can be sure that we know him IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. 4 If someone claims, “I KNOW GOD,” BUT DOESN'T ’t OBEY GOD'S ’s COMMANDMENTS, THAT PERSON IS A LIAR AND IS NOT LIVING IN THE TRUTH. 5But THOSE WHO OBEY GOD ’s WORD truly show how completely they love him. That is how we know we are living in him. 6Those who say they live in God should live their lives as Jesus did.

[@UltimateTruthsAndWorldviews]

IT'S MORE THAN BELIEVING, IT'S TRUSTING WHICH THE DEVIL DOES NOT DO. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

[@MrBazinthenow]

This is a prime example of ' lordship salvation' this puts folks into insecurity and into fruit inspectors and ' works' .

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Lordship Salvation Advocates need to drop their self righteous attitude and Believe the Gospel...If you add to Grace it is no longer Grace

[@keithclark8030]

@@andrewlineberger7544 Lordship salvation is adding to the Gospel.

[@andrewlineberger7544]

@@keithclark8030 amen... Calvinism and lordship salvation cause me to doubt my salvation in times of trouble... and doubt the goodness of God... I was so confusedbecause I was out of church for a long time and when I came back in to church everybody was Calvinists then I looked up to them and I just thought it was true,... but after a long time of careful studyit's very obvious that it's works salvation and that is adding to the gospel and I cannot understand for the life of me why they cannot see this..... thanks for the reply

[@andrewlineberger7544]

@@keithclark8030 instead of having spiritual victory and my church family encouraging me for spiritual victory... they just have me questioning if I was really saved.... it's such a satanic doctrine

[@keithclark8030]

@@andrewlineberger7544 Yes it is. Even with someone being saved, this lordship salvation will cause us to hold back. If Satan has us doubting, we are too concerned about ourselves to help others.

[@ordinarychap1085]

John 7: "Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own." Matthew 5: "Be holy, therefore, as your heavenly Father is holy" Matthew 25: “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." John 3: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Revelation 20: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works." 1st John 3: "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." 2 Corinthians 7: " let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit. And let us work toward complete holiness because we fear God." 1st Peter 1: "And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do." Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened." Matthew 12: "The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here." Ephesians 5: "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." James 2: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." 1st Thessalonians 1: "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father"

[@devieanderson451]

2 Corinthians 5:16 “Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.” 1Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 2 Corinthians 11:15 “Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” We have imputed righteousness.... ministers of righteousness will always trust in their own works, their own righteousness for salvation...

[@livingwater7580]

I have to disagree with you, the words truly saved are not in the BIBLE, repentance is a change of mind from what you are believing to believing in Jesus Christ ALONE for SALVATION, why would you use a calvinist like John Mcarthur, he believes salvation is not the gift but faith is a gift, obvioisly its not easy because not every one believes the gospel by grace through faith in christ alone, people want to be fruit inspectors but what people should be is root inspectors and inspect who and what they are trusting in for salvation, the Corithian church whom Paul calls BRETHRENS they were fully CARNAL on milk and not food, The book of hebrews Paul says you ought to be teachers, yes they were not growing, this lordship salvation leaves no room for a prodigal son which we read in scripture as one who can take his INHERETANCE here, we are justified by FAITH in the lord Jesus . The gospel of John theres no word repent do you know why because if you believe you have REPENTED, an unbeliever cannot repent until he hears the gospel and is convicted of unbelief John 16 " OF SIN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME" JOHN 11 Jesus tells Martha 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? is this easy or hard believism? the problem is you believe something other than believing is necessary for salvation, this is a false teaching, let's look at the Ethiopian EUNICH in Acts 8 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him the bottom line is you guys want to be God's and judge who "TRULY" Believes, Peter in Acts 10 preached the gospel to Cornelius and those who heard were saved ill use you own words "TRULY BELIEVED. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BELIEVING BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING MORE THAT IS NEEDED AND THAT'S THE NEED FOR WORKS, JESUS IS LORD WE DONT MAKE HIM LORD, I YOU BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS YOU ARE SAVED ITS NOT EASY BELIEVISM ITS CALL FAITH OR BELIEVISM. BE BLESSED IN CHRIST BLESSED NAME AND REPENT AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL GOD BLESS YOU. WHEN SOMEONE BELIEVES HE IS TRUSTING IN CHRIST ALONE , HIS FAITH IS IN CHRIST NOT HIMSELF, GOD DEALS WITH THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT AND YOU CAN READ THE COVENENT BETWEEN THE FATHER AND SON PSALM 89: 27-36 27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. 28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. 29 His seed also will I make to endurefor ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; note 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. notenote 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. note 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me. 37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah. 1 CORINTHIAN 11 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. be blessed

[@brianhemmert9394]

I agree with you, there is nothing we can do to earn salvation, Jesus did it all on the cross of calvary! However the evidence of Gods redeeming power should be clearly in our life. Philippians 2: 12-13 If you are a believer in Christ Jesus you will no longer desire the works of the flesh. Faith without works is dead. Abraham was counted righteous not by works of the flesh but by faithfulness to God. Easy believism says I can believe in Christ and live according to my flesh, this is heretical teaching. Paul said clearly where sin abounds grace abounds all the more. Can I go on sinning, certainly not.

[@livingwater7580]

@@brianhemmert9394 my brother read the covenant psalm 89:27-36

[@livingwater7580]

@@brianhemmert9394 I just want to make one thing clear their is no verse in scripture that says easy believism and I donnot condone sin, but the phrase easy believism is a man made phariseacle phrase of fruit inspectors, I myself ask the ROOT QUESTION who and what are you trusting in for salvation, all due respect brother if we lead someone to christ and they dont live to the biblical standards or even our standards they may have not truly believed, I would not want to make that Judgement knowing after reading Roman's 1,2,3 of how wretched and evil we truly are and are capable of anything even with the spirit,, Paul's epistles are to edify and we can see of the carnality in most of these epistles and these are spirit filled believers and Paul calls them brethren. if A changed life was automatic their would be no need for the epistles. doesnt Paul tell the Corinthians to give the man who is sleeping with his fathers wife over to satan for the destruction of the flesh. my brothers unbelievers have a changed life anyone can mimick christianity, I know someone who is born again and still does the sign of the cross what do you think? in loving spirit be blessed brother

[@brianhemmert9394]

@@livingwater7580 true Brother we are all sinners and capable of great sin apart from Christ. John 15, Jesus called for us to abide in him. If we abide in Christ we will produce fruit, fruit unto salvation. Meaning the Holy Spirit by the gifts and fuit of the spirit working in us. Not by anything we do. Ephesians 2:10. The doctrine of regeneration has been lost in the modern day church and largely replaced with hyper grace teaching. If we truly are a child of God, (the good seed planted on furtive ground) we will produce good fruit. (Parable of the sower). Holy Spirit filled believer will have evidence of good fruit in there life, once again not by their fleshy action but by the Spirit working in them. Look at the disciples, before the Spirit came upon them, they had dought, unbelief, betrayal. But once they were filled they were able to overcome our weaknesses and truly live a life as a child of God. They did great things by the Spirit and all were killed for the gospel (except Judas). Blessings to you always your Brother in Christ!

[@livingwater7580]

@@brianhemmert9394 I agree brother but, I think you are combining justification our standing before God and sanctification our spiritual growth once we are saved. lordship salvatinist believe that the 2 go together but the bible is clear that a person is JUSTIFIED by faith in christ alone, once you are justified you receive the holy spirit and are SANCTIFIED (set apart) but sanctification is a life long process and has nothing to do with justification. my Brother I'm a bible believing Christian we are not JUSTIFIED by abiding but believing in the death burrial and RESURRECTION, your sanctification should be serving the lord as you and I do, but we have to keep them separate. The lord chose to save in this manner.many will not hear "well done good and faithful servant." blessings my brother.

[@lme9743]

If you truly believe on His Son would you not follow Him and do His will. Or would you go on doing what you did before becoming saved. Peter said it well in Acts. Pastor is spot on with his teaching.

[@paulgross1931]

LME that means you were on your way to hell if you believe this false gospel you're on your way to hell you're adding Works May the Lord have mercy on your soul

[@rolandweibel]

Oh yes? Then why do we even go to church for being taught the Christian way of life? If that's just automatic, if that's just the natural progression of faith, then why even teach, admonish or rebuke anyone? Justification and sanctification are not the same. Don't mix in works! Salvation is by grace alone!

[@Kiki-fe2le]

Exactly! I obey God because I love and respect him, not because I will be saved. Not sure why people resist obeying God so much and claim it's a work. If you love God so much, you will obey gladly and it won't be a chore. If it is a chore and you don't want to claiming it's a work, then your heart needs to be examined. You don't love God, you love yourself more.

[@livingwater7580]

I get what your saying but we are Justified by grace through faith and not of works. What must I do to be saved? Believe on the lord Jesus and thou shall be saved. you cant add your own feelings or what you think it should be. the prodigal son's brother did what your doing, he was angry at his father because he showed mercy, no one deserves God's mercy not you and not me your obedience has no baring on your salvation it is by the grace of God that we are saved by believing in christ who he is and what he has done. by your comment you are saying you deserve more then the brother that is not as obedient as you. that's called pride my brother.

[@livebyfaith9743]

Amen on " I obey God because I love and respect and not because I will be saved" cuz no one gets their salvation by works therefore obedience should only be done out of love and respect towards God.

[@rolandweibel]

Sorry but this is not a fair evaluation. Repentance means a "turning", but not necessarily a turning from sin. In the Bible, God repented many times, as He changed His mind. Obviously God doesn't have to repent of sin, because He doesn't have any. Repentance unto salvation is changing from unbelief to belief, not turning from all your sins. That's where Lordship Salvation is wrong, and very sad that this man doesn't even mention that. Unbelievers "must" turn from their unbelief to be saved. Believers "should" turn from their sins, but not to get them saved, nor to prove their salvation. But to be blessed in this life, and to add works as a reward in heaven. That "new creation" is a spiritual birth, and by imputation of the righteousness of Christ are we as saints before God, even if we don't live like saints. Furthermore, "the will of the Father" can be read in John 6:40. Read it please. Don't be turned from the SIMPLICITY that's in Christ! It's by faith alone, not by turning over a new leaf. All in all a very poor analysis, Mr. Professor!

[@sebastiansingh5167]

Are you crazy? God has has always wanted obedience, how can you have a life of worship with no obedience which points to faith in him ?

[@ErnestoMunilla]

14:11 If you have never been saved from sin, you have never been saved from hell.

[@livingwater7580]

jesus dealt with your sins at the cross, people go to hell for unbelief " OF SIN BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME". John16. all a sinner is asked to do is believe the gospel , to be persuaded of something is to believe in it. This teacher is confusing justification and sanctification. he is teaching romam catholicism which is what MacArthur teaches (calvinism is catholicism repackaged). this is a false gospel. no one makes Jesus lord because he is the lord.

[@stephenbarningham330]

Saved from sin? Saved from the Human condition? The will of the father IS TO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST!

[@LitoLochoss]

explain to me how bro theology is so confusing im crying booing out my eyes because i want believe in Jesus and put him first but people are telling me if im not free from sin im not saved while other say that if you believe in Jesus in the time of dark time and ask him to change you it will it so confusing im struggling with sin im been crying for the past 3 days for help im so lost i have suicidal thoughts so many times I’m tired i just want Jesus to set me free

[@tyler64360]

@@LitoLochoss trust in the finished work of Christ for salvation not our own works we all fall short daily

[@toliveischrist950]

So is my assurance of salvation in the evidence of my transformed life or in Jesus and his finished work? It’s the latter. But I will praise God for how he’s transformed me by the Holy Spirit and boast in him. We should get our comfort and assurance of salvation because of trust in Who Jesus is and what he’s done and not anything else.

[@popjaw1andOnly]

I'm not suggesting you're a proponent of "easy believism," but actually, if you're interested, 1 John ch 2 says "both" of those things you mentioned *work together* to bring us assurance of salvation. So it's not one or the other. Please know that I'm not being hostile towards you, and I'd like to hear your reply to this. It says: 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye *sin not.* (Definitely proof of a born-again, transformed, supernaturally empowered life) And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: (Definitely, His righteousness is ours, through our trust in Him and His Finished work) 2 And *he is the propitiation for our sins:* And not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world. (Definitely His finished work takes away our sins) 3 And *hereby* we do know that we know him, *if* we keep his commandments. (Again, a transformed life and a *conditional* assurance of salvation) 4 He that saith, "I know him," and keepeth not his commandments, is a *liar,* and the truth is not in him. (Definitely "easy believism" defined! I'm not saying you're defending that, just making a point) 5 But whoso *keepeth* his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: *hereby* know we that we are in him. (God working in our hearts to *transform* us brings the assurance of our salvation. We keep His word because we trust in Him and His finished work *alone.* So again, it's both. See?) 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked . (Definitely a transformed life made possible by trusting *only* in Him and His finished work) It's not a huge issue, but that passage came to mind when I read your comment. I praise God that you know you're *both* saved *and* transformed! Probably more transformed than I am at this point! I'm definitely not totally without sin but I know I've overcome a lot of it since Jesus saved me and I'm not the same as I was before Him. God bless you!

[@2Chronicles714_]

If you have been regenerated it will be obvious by how you are living 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree brinforth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Romans 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

[@Dmlaney]

I think you are confusing the deference between Old Testament repentance and New Testament repentance. The Old Testament people were under a different system. To an Old Testament person repentance would mean to go back to following the law they were given. Repentance in the context of the New Testament means that they have to return to faith. Faith is the trust, belief, and acceptance of God. You cant just know that God exists. Many Deists believe that God exists. You have to know and trust the correct God. That is proper faith according to the New Testament. When it says a New Testament person should repent it doesnt mean keep the Old Testament Laws. When it says a New Testament person should repent it means they should go back to being faithful.

[@jimkraft9445]

Jesus tells us in verse 21 why these people who believed they were saved were simply deceived. They were trusting in what they did, instead of what Jesus did for us. They were trusting in their works, instead of Jesus finished work. No man can do anything to save himself. We can only be saved by what Jesus did plus nothing. Romans 11:6 You can not add law/works to grace,. They can not mix. Jesus said in verse 21, they never did the will of my Father. What is the will of His Father. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that all that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise Him up on the last day. EASYBELIEVISM. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. How a person lives after they have believed, and been sealed by the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 1:13, has absolutely nothing to do with whether they are given the free gift of eternal life. I we were saved by anything we do, our works, then Jesus died for no reason. Salvation is Jesus plus nothing. No works. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the Gift of God is eternal life. What do you have to do to receive a free GIFT? Nothing. Romans 4:5 But to the one that worketh not, but believe on Him who justifieth the ungdodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. You only have to do one thing to be saved. Accept the free gift of salvation by grace plus nothing. It is free, and that is the only way we can accept the GIFT. Ephesians 2:8-8 For by grace ye are saved, (what Jesus did for us ) through faith, (when we believe it) and that not of yourselves, (we did nothing for it) it is the GIFT of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. Free Gift. John 3:16 Is true. Whosoever believeth in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. We can not add what we do to what He has already done. That is blasphemy. That is saying that what He did is not good enough, to save us, and now we must do something to finish what He failed to do. You can not add works to grace. We can only be saved by what He did plus nothing. Jesus plus nothing equals salvation by grace without works. We have to be as righteous as God to go to heaven. An no one is. romans 3:10 But the good news is, when we trust in Jesus alone plus nothing, He imputes His perfect righteousness to us, and will no longer impute sin to our account. Romans 4:6-8 Romans 8-9 Without the Spirit there is no salvation. With the Spirit we have eternal life. It happens the minute we trust Jesus alone apart from any works. Romans 3:21-23. Following Jesus never saved one person. Repenting of sin is no where in the new testament. Turning from sin to God saves no one. Only one thing. Believe plus nothing to be saved. IT has to be free or not at all. How we live after we are saved is for rewards or lack of rewards in heaven. Our works after we are saved. Or if we go off and live in sin we will reap what we sow, but John 6:37, He will never cast us out. Hebrews 13:5 He will never leave us or forsake Sorry I took so much space, but Jesus said, many are trusting in what they do to save themselves, but have never done the will of His Father. Repent means to change your mind from trusting in any thing we do trusting only in what HE did for us plus nothing Romans 11:6

[@jimkraft9445]

Lordship salvation is the most counterfeit gospel ever devised by men. It is salvation by works instead of all grace. Salvation by works never works. The problem is, it sounds right, but is deadly. They twist scriptures to make salvation by something we do instead of what Jesus did for us. They mix salvation with discipleship. They put the cart before the horse. No one ever got saved by making Jesus Lord of their life. No one ever got saved by becoming a disciple of Christ. We have to be saved first, and then follow Jesus for rewards or chastening but will go to heaven no matter what we do or do not do. Our works can not add to Jesus finished work. Jesus said, depart from me ye that work iniquity, I never knew you. Not I did know you and now I don't, I never knew you. Until we believe that all our sin debt is paid in full, First John 2:2, and know that we can never be condemned again, John 3:18 We are not saved. First Corinthians 5:5 Turn such a one over to Satan, to kill the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved In the day of the Lord. This born again believer was sleeping with his fathers wife. He was about to lose his life, and his rewards he could have had, but the man was still saved. Eternal life is forever and God can not lie. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. But it has to be Jesus alone by faith alone plus nothing of ourselves. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE, on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE.

[@davidochieng2975]

@@jimkraft9445 May the Holy Spirit reveal this to God's people.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jimkraft9445 Matthew7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Jesus doesn't say you trusted in your works. These are works Jesus told us to do. Matthew 10:8 John 14:12 Matthew 28:19 He is not double minded.He will not say DEPART FROM ME for doing the works He said to do. Obviously these people claimed to believe in Him otherwise they wouldn't have done these works. He says I NEVER KNEW YOU because they never repented (changed their mind about their sinfulled life) repented. They were still in iniquity. They died in unrepentant sin. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish but everyone to come to repentance.

[@jimkraft9445]

None of those things can save a sinner. They never did the will of His Father in heaven. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:29. Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. Our best works could never save a sinner. Romans 6:23 for the penalty of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. The GIFT of God is eternal life. Not faith. Not a reward for good behavior, but a free gift. Paid in full by the giver. Romans 3:26-28. There will be no boasting in heaven. They were boasting in their own works. Not the finished work of Jesus on the cross apart from works. Romans 4:5. Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life. The GIFT of God is eternal life because no one can earn it. But, you keep calling God a liar. Jesus said, John 6:47. You say that is not true. Gods word says it is true. You just do not believe it. Jesus said, verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me hath everlasting life. But you say Jesus is a liar. When you say you do not believe what He said, then you are saying Jesus is a liar. John 3:18. Once again although you will never believe it and be saved. Repent. Go from unbelief to belief. John 3:18. And you do not believe trusting Jesus saves us. Look. I am tired of your lying and filthy unbelief. You want to go to hell? Then that is where you will go. John 3:18. All unbelievers will go to hell. Guaranteed. And you are an unbeliever. You have never trusted Jesus as the only way of salvation by grace. You said trusting In Jesus never saved anyone. Ephesians 1:13 says trusting in Jesus is the only way. God has given you every chance to accept His free gift of eternal life. But you will not. I have no hope for you. John 3:18. At least you know where you are going when you die. To hell. I have eternal life now. First John 5:13. And you don't. Romans 6:23 The free gift of God is eternal life. But you will not accept the gift.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@jimkraft9445 The will of the Father is Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to REPENT:

[@Eric-z6i4p]

This preacher has it all wrong. Yes, Jesus said not every one who says unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven (Matt. 7:21). But what is the will of God? John 6:40 says "And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." This verse says nothing about repenting, being converted, being baptized, or anything else for salvation except to believe in Christ. Therefore, anything other than believing in Christ for salvation is a WORK! Yes, a change will occur in the life of the believer and repenting, being converted, getting baptized are things a believer must do, but not for salvation.

[@eternallyredeemedbythebloo5112]

Amen brother and sadly this man in the video is teaching a wicked false heretical accursed gospel.. Eph 2:8-9 KJV is clear that salvation is a gift given freely to those who have believed the gospel and its not of any works that we have done lest any should boast. Eph 2:10 is clear that we are created in Christ unto good works that we SHOULD walk in them NOT MUST.. This proves that works are not required for salvation and nor are they evidence that one is saved.. Those who obey Gods instructions for right living as a Christian shall bear fruit or good works and God shall reward all that serve him but there are many Christians who are fruitless because they choose not to serve and loss of rewards is all they have to look forward to but never loss of salvation. 1 Cor 3:8-15, 2 Tim 2:20-22, 2 Peter 1:1-9 KJV If works were required for salvation, then faith in Jesus perfect saving work on the alter of the cross to eternally pay for our sins wasn't sufficient according to the works crowd.

[@mikerems8861]

Eric Hi, I just want to ask you a question: Have you surrendered your life to Jesus?

[@BRL1611]

What does it mean to "believe" in Jesus? And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Abraham believed God, AND showed it by his actions. Ever heard: Actions speak louder than words??? What a man believes will show in how he lives. If one believes that smoking is harmful for his body, he will avoide smokers. If one believes Jesus when he says, I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. That is an hard saying! But IF you believe him, you WILL repent of your sins. The measure stick is the law of God and Jesus: I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. Thou shalt not kill. Neither shalt thou commit adultery. Neither shalt thou steal. Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's. These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously: Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Your actions will show the world exactly what you believe. I believe the words of Jesus, therefore, I will walk as he did. And all the glory shall go to God which doeth the work.

[@Eric-z6i4p]

+Mike Rems - My faith is firmly anchored in the Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation is found in no one else but Him, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved (Acts 14:12).

[@choiboi96]

I Peter 4:16 thank you for this. It helped me understand salvation much better. God bless you brother.

[@bobtowery8266]

Ty John for the Word said and told correctly, may the Holt Spirit guide us each moment on this earth

[@matthewhughes3749]

so i don't get this is this guy refuting lordship salvation or backing it up

[@bigt4331]

Agreed

[@johnmorgan692]

O/t = repent" N/T = BELIEVE. (Peter said in 1peter 4v17) It is HARD for the RIGHTEOUS to be SAVED ". ...most! CHRISTIANS want to EARN HEAVEN". ROMANS 10V 3.. alot in the church".. Want to establish " their OWN" RIGHTEOUSNESS!. MATT 7V21 I SHARE THIS in a LOCAL RESCUE MISSION.... Hope JOHNY mac" Gets a CLUE" GOD BLESS YOU. ☺

[@golightly5121]

He is teaching it, a wolf in sheep’s clothing false teacher. Free Grace Theology is the correct Soteriological System. Lordship Salvation is Calvinists teaching, it is the P. in T.U.L.I.P.

[@oliverjuria993]

@@golightly5121 i agree. so now i am unsubcribing from his channel.

[@golightly5121]

@@oliverjuria993 : Recommend Free Grace teachers such as Grace Evangelical Society and Free Grace Alliance. :)

[@nicolas9533]

preamble : if you have doubts about what is the condition for salvation, -> look at the thief on the cross : he believed while dying -> look at mary magdeleine : she wept on Christ's feet and He responded : Luke 7:48-50 48 And he said unto her, *Thy sins are forgiven.* 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50 And he said to the woman, *Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.* *Thy sins are forgiven, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.* nothing more. 1) Lordship salvation is method for people to backdoor their works into the salvation condition. 2) Repentance is the baptism of repentance of John the baptism : it occurs before salvation, it is repentance toward God, and away from self righteousness. If you don't repent from this, then you can't understand you need a savior. 3) What is the will of the Father? *John **6:38**-40* *38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.* What is not doing the will of the Father? From John 6:38-40, the will of the Father is believing people are saved by believing in Christ. So not doing his will is NOT believing people are saved by believing in Christ. *Matthew **7:21* *21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.* This is talking about people who think they are saved, and are denied entrance to God's kingdom : and the first thing they talk about is their works! and ask why can't they enter! This passage is talking about work-salvationists, who were never saved : *"v.23 I never knew you"* : meaning you were never in the body of Christ. And they work iniquity because their sins are still on them : not washed away by Christ's blood, by believing in Him for salvation. 4) *Nahum 1:7 "The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him."* The ones known by God are those who trust in Him.

[@Superman111181]

Yes but now bring in the interaction Jesus has with the rich young ruler in Matt 19. I summarize: Man "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus "keep the commandments" Man "I've done that" Jesus "sell everything you have and follow me" Man: (goes away sad because he is unwilling to sell all his possessions) Jesus to disciples "its really hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven/God" Disciples: "who then can be saved?" Jesus "it is possible with God"

[@nicolas9533]

@@Superman111181 no, you are truncating the verse ... *Matthew 19:26* _"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, _*_With men this is impossible;_*_ but with God all things are possible."_ Jesus says men can't do it, but God can : and that's exactly what Jesus did : live a perfect sinless life. It's not talking about you sinning less and less with the Holy spirit, for you won't achieve sinlessness. And you are already guilty of all your sins. _"keep the commandments to earn eternal life"_ only works if you never sinned ever, or else you are guilty, and don't deserve eternal life. Why do you want to merit eternal life so bad? God told already you, that you get eternal life by trusting him and his work on the cross ... why do you insist so much to declare the blood of Christ insufficient for your salvation? Is it just pride?

[@Superman111181]

@@nicolas9533 don't be so annoying. We can talk about substance without your personal assumptions. "Why do you want to merit eternal life so bad?" - loaded question and false. I am not even taking an affirmative position. I am pointing out that we have to consider what the opponent is actually arguing instead of creating a straw man. The fact is that Jesus said many hard statements and we should not just gloss over them. You have to take Him seriously. Here is another one: "why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say?" This is a real question that He asked. What do you think it means?

[@nicolas9533]

@@Superman111181 *"don't be so annoying. We can talk about substance without your personal assumptions. "Why do you want to merit eternal life so bad?" - loaded question and false."* These are not my personal assumptions, these are implicit implications of what you said. My original post you answered to (i.e the context), was about how to get saved, and how it doesn't include your owns works ... And you replied _"yeah but Jesus said with him we can _*_(be good enough to merit salvation)_*_ "_ ... i'm just stating out loud and clearly what you really mean, because of the implication. You opposed salavation without our works, by saying with God we can keep the commandments, so yes the implication is *we can be good enough for salvation* ... like the rich young man thought. *"I am not even taking an affirmative position."* I'm not a mind reader. But when you make implications, i take it into consideration, and answer. *"I am pointing out that we have to consider what the opponent is actually arguing instead of creating a straw man. The fact is that Jesus said many hard statements and we should not just gloss over them. You have to take Him seriously."* The fact that you misinterpret passages like that reveals what's in your heart about salvation ... and for now it might only be confusion, because there is so many wolves out there, teaching this nonsense. If you are only repeating what your unsaved pastors are saying, then go and study these passages, over and over, until it clicks like a jigsaw puzzle. God is your teacher, not men. First pray for discerment and understanding, then never avoid the context. Rightly divide the Word of God, and that also means : interpret with the context. At this point in the story, why would jesus be so confusing by answering a simple question about work-based salvation, by introducing the notion of baptism with the Holy Ghost, a notion he didn't explain yet, and a notion that is *NOT* in the verse, a notion that you introduce in between the lines (you or your pastor, it's the same, for if you follow a blind man then you'll fall into the same ditch : i.e you are as guilty as your pastor). *"Here is another one: "why do you call me Lord and do not the things that I say?" This is a real question that He asked. What do you think it means?"* Don't extract sentences like that out of its context! Or you'll end up with weird doctrines! Who is Jesus talking to? about what? when? Didn't he say to believe in Him? *(in order to have eternal life),* then why are they calling him Lord? Why do you take this passage? Why don't you take clear passages where Jesus is literally talking about salvation? instead of avoiding these, and searching for a way to add in between the lines of other verses that don't even talk about that? Was Jesus lying to her by omission? *Luke 7:48-50* _"48 And he said unto her, _*_Thy sins are forgiven._*_ 49 And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? 50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace."_ See how clear this passage is? And how clearly it talks about salvation? And how clearly works are out of the question?

[@Superman111181]

@@nicolas9533 thanks for the response. It is mostly irrelevant though simply because you are implying so many motives where they do not exist. I do not at all deny the verses you mentioned. I am considering all His words, and yes, in the context. So what does Luke 6:46 mean?

[@loobell3236]

So he says: saved by works...he is talking about discipleship, not salvation. You cannot add or take away from what Christ did on that cross. This is typical Lordship salvation teaching that brings condemnation for those in Christ, if you are counting on your behavior to get and keep you saved, you are robbing Christ of the blood atonement that he did for his creation at Calvary. I believe this to be heresy and will keep many from becoming truly born again and becoming one spirit with God. How you become unborn? What sin will it be that will make God pull the salvation carpet from underneath you? You can be born again and still live in complete rebellion against God and his word, you will not grow spiritually and will suffer his chastisement and live with the consequences of your sin but then God is lying when he says He will never leave you nor forsake you and nothing can tear you from the hand of Christ. Let God be true and every man a liar!

[@jacobpendl6861]

Loobell Salvation is only by grace through faith

[@SamOgilvieJr]

Galatians 2:18- 21 Rather, we are sinners if we start rebuilding the old systems I have been destroying, of trying to be saved by keeping Jewish laws, for it was through reading the Scripture that I came to realize that I could never find God's favor by trying---and failing---to obey the laws. I came to realize that acceptance with God comes by believing in Christ: and I myself no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the real life I now have within this body is a result of my trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I am not one of those who treats Christ's death as meaningless. For if we could be saved by keeping Jewish laws, then there was no reason for Christ to die. Galatians 4:3-7 And that is the way it was with us before Christ came. We were slaves to Jewish laws and rituals for we thought they could save us. But when the right time came, the time God decided on, he sent his Son, born of a woman, born as a Jew, to buy freedom for us who were slaves to the law so that he could adopt us as his very own sons. And because we are his sons God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, so now we can rightly speak of God as our dear Father. Now we are no longer slaves, but God's own sons. And since we are sons, everything he has belongs to us, for that is the way God planned. Galatians 4:10 You are trying to find favor with God by what you do or don't do on certain days or months or seasons or years. I fear for you. I am afraid that all my hard work for you was worth nothing. Lordship Salvationists speak of being slaves, which is far short of the truth. We are sons(and daughters). Lordship Salvationists speak of doing this or doing that. The truth is that we only need faith. The Holy Spirit will lead us, mold us and help us in our fight against our still active fleshly half or nature. Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control will follow. In time, we bear fruit but fruit bearing follows salvation and is not a requirement of it.

[@dooeege298]

speaking of John Mcarthur he said that it wasn`t the literall blood of Jesus...

[@mpmikeb1290]

For all of you who doesn't repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ through faith alone, then you need to self exam yourself, because you are a new creation in Christ, the old self is dead than the new is alive. This why Jesus died for us because of sin. We need to repent. I am not a Calvinist nor I believe that we don't struggle with sin. We have to deny ourselves everyday and live for the Lord. Our works will not get us to heaven. But the evidence of works through faith, our fruits will show us being in the process of on going sanctification.

[@livingwater7580]

If a sinner believes in the gospel he has repented, he changed his mind from unbelief to believing. The Philippian jailer was told to believe , etheopian Eunich was told to believe, Cornelius and his band received the holy spirit when they believed. they all were saved by faith. The thief on the cross believed, Men want to see fruit and God wants faith, fruit inspecting pharasee's will always dangle the carrot of sin in your face just as Satan does. There's only one accuser of the brethren lets leave it that way. John MacArthur's book "The gospel according to Jesus " is an error and another gospel. John MacArthur backloads works into the gospel and puts the burden on the believer to save himself. Jesus did his part now you must do yours, no difference between MacArthur and catholicism. sad but true. Where is easy believism? the bible just says FAITH OR BELIEVE, LORDSHIPPERS CHANGE THE MEANING OF FAITH TO FAITHFULNESS, BELIEVE TO TRULY BELIEVED, LORDSHIPPERS WANT TO FOLLOW YOU AROUND TO SEE IF THERE'S A CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE. AMAZING WHAT WE HAVE COME TO, TO SAY THAT BELIEVING THE GOSPEL IS NOT ENOUGH TO SAVE A SINNER, ITS DISGUSTING, IF ANYONE HAS BELIEVED THE GOSPEL YOU CAN REST ASSURED THAT JESUS DIED FOR YOU AND HAS SAVED YOU, DONT LISTEN TO THE WITNESS OF MEN BECAUSE THE WITNESS OF GOD IS GREATER, BELIEVE WHAT GOD HAS PROMISED YOU IN HIS WORD THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL BE SAVED. JESUS LOVES YOU AND DIED FOR YOU, LORDSHIPPERS HAVE ROTTEN FRUIT HYPOCROCY. JESUS DIED FOR THE UNGODLY, ITS NOT YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS ITS JESUS'S PERFECT OBEDIENCE AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS THAT YOU NEED. THESE LORDSHIPPERS SIN MORE THEN YOU TRUST ME I WAS THE BIGGEST PHARASEE OF THEM ALL, THEY ARE LIARS AND HATE THE GOSPEL, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, THEY HATE GRACE , THEY WANT TO LOAD BRICKS ON YOUR SHOULDRES WITH EVERY FALSE DOCTRINE OF WORKS, RUN FROM THESE PHARASEE'S. JESUS DIDNT COME TO MAKE BAD PEOPLE GOOD HE CAME TO MAKE DEAD PEOPLE ALIVE.

James 2:17 clarifies that "faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead." This indicates that genuine faith necessarily produces good works as its fruit. Free Grace Theology undermines this by suggesting that a one-time intellectual belief is sufficient, irrespective of a person's subsequent actions or lack thereof. Within Lordship Salvation, good works and repentance are seen as necessary results of genuine faith, though these works do not save but follow naturally after salvation.

[@robertwilkinson5847]

As Jesus also explained in John 6:28-29 "This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him whom He has sent". He was answering the question - "What shall we do , that we might work the works of God?" Why didn't this Preacher mention this? You are telling us to trust only in our good works to prove we are saved - ironically like those in Matt 7:22 you are quoting. Biblically, repentance is changing our mind from trusting our own good works for salvation and realising that only Jesus' finished work (His perfect life, death for our sins, burial and resurrection) can save us. Again, as Jesus Himself said..."Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24) And later - Jesus again... "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." (John 6:47). It couldn't be any clearer and yet none were mentioned in this video.

[@jonathanlim7091]

For me, Charles Ryrie had been unfairly represented by you in this video. While he may have reacted very strongly to Macarthur, please note that he had written the following in his basic theology acknowledging the necessity of repentance: Quote Repentance means a genuine change of mind that affects the life in some way. Like other significant theological terms, it must be defined specifically by asking a further question, namely, Change the mind about what? Unsaved people can truly repent but without being saved, as, for example, to change the mind about a bad habit and to break that habit as a result... saving repentance has to involve a change of mind about Jesus Christ so that whatever a person thought of Him before, he changes his mind and trusts Him to be his Savior. That is the only kind or content of repentance that saves. However, saving repentance may be preceded by a repentance concerning sin (which activates an individual's sense of need for forgiveness) or a repentance toward God (which alerts him to the fact that he has offended a holy God and therefore needs a way to appease Him). This aspect of repentance is still not saving unless it is accompanied by faith in Christ Unquote Does that sound to you that Ryrie does not believe that repentance is necessary for salvation? Be that as it may, the theologian that has given the most spot on criticism of lordship salvation is not Charles Ryrie but RT Kendall and I quote him below (from Charisma news): Quote For years, the English Puritans had been my heroes. But that was before I examined them very carefully. These men had in common the belief that a person must be "prepared" for grace before he or she could be truly saved. Such preparation to me smacked of salvation by works. This widespread teaching is called "lordship salvation." Sadly, those who teach this do not say it means affirming that Jesus is God, which (in my opinion) is what Paul actually means by lordship salvation. They say you cannot claim to have Jesus as your Savior until you first receive Him as Lord. Agreed. But what does it mean to acknowledge Him as Lord? Does it mean you must obey all His commands before you can be sure you are saved? There are those who virtually put sanctification before salvation as proof you are really saved! I do not accept this kind of teaching. That is precisely what I was set free from. If I am told I cannot be sure I am saved unless I am always manifesting holiness-good works-that is bondage. I would be looking inside myself day and night to see if I am still saved, checking my spiritual pulse every day, asking, "Am I in, or am I out?" Puritan teaching encouraged endless and unfulfilled introspection. Whereas the teaching of salvation by true faith set people free, the Puritans raised the question "How do you know you have true faith?" And people were back to square one. The result was that virtually no one knew for sure that he or she had true faith. People were told to look for proofs of faith-loving God's Word; loving the Sabbath; showing "universal obedience," as in keeping all of the Ten Commandments; loving God's ministers and turning away from every known sin. People were afraid they had not come up to the standard whereby one could say they had true faith by turning from every known sin. And the liberty that came with Reformation teaching turned into a new bondage. The gospel is the Good News that by transferring my trust in good works to what Jesus did on the cross, I will go to heaven and not to hell. I call that Good News. But when I am told I have to add good works to my faith in order to know I have true faith, the "good news" becomes heavy news. Sad news. No joy. No assurance. That is the way I was brought up; it is not what I believe today. The gospel is frequently misunderstood. One of the main reasons it is misunderstood is because it seems too good to be true-that we are saved by another person's work. That someone else paid our debt. That someone purchased our home in heaven by His own blood. Our natural instinct often tells us that there must be more to it than that. "Where's the catch?" we ask. Yet if the gospel you hear does not seem too good to be true, you probably have not heard it yet. The gospel is the good news that you will go to heaven when you die-and not to hell-by transferring your trust in your good works to what Jesus Christ the Son of God did for you on the cross. Unquote If Charles Ryrie was still alive today, I reckon he will agree largely with RT Kendall though I may be wrong. RT Kendall likes to ask the congregation from time to time "suppose you are now standing before Jesus right now and He asks you why should I let you into my heaven, what will you say to Him? I have done good works? You are lost! I have obeyed the 10 commandments? You are a liar! I have obeyed the sermon on the mount? You are a greater liar!" That is a sobering question. What will we say to Him? "we are Christ-like?", "we have the fruits of the spirit?", "we love our brethren?". The answer that an individual gives to Jesus on this question is a reflection whether he is genuinely converted or is a phony false believer!

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Well Said .. Calvinisim/Lordship Salvation caused me to doubt my salvation and the Goodness of God Almighty

[@arexec1]

Thanks for this. Where is this quote from RT Kendall from?

[@jonathanlim7091]

@@arexec1 From his book "Whatever happened to the gospel". Right at the first chapter.

[@Superman111181]

It's true that the gospel is often misunderstood by well intended believers. And what is even more true is that we're not going to get more clarity until we carefully and fairly present both sides of an issue. In this case, it seems like you're straw manning the "lordship Salvation" view. The fact of the matter is that Jesus in his own teaching presents the gospel in a way that is consonant with lordship salvation. If we're going to better understand how to reconcile this with Grace/liberty, we have to start by taking that conflict seriously

[@jjjj-ss8dq]

Huge amen jonathan

[@michaeljamesreed9054]

Awesome teaching, brother John. We are saved by faith alone, but so many people (Christians) want to stay in their sins (sinful lifestyles). They aren’t saved but only turning the grace of God unto lasciviousness, as you stated. If there is no repentance from dead works, there is no salvation. Repent and believe are instructions number one and two out of the mouths of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ at the very start of His ministry. And these also top the list of the doctrines of Jesus Christ Paul wrote in the beginning of Hebrews chapter six. Repentance is not a work. It is rest from the works of the flesh where the wages thereof is only death.

[@jmerrick2012]

Thank you for showing everyone what a damnable heresy lotdship salvation is , and how this evil doctrine, and the false teachers who teach it will only serve to keep lost people dead in their sins.

[@patricj951]

Interesting that lordshippers use Matthew 7:21-23 in order to attack free grace believers while these verses talk about themselves. The workers of iniquity are those who trusted in their good works and their own righteousness. They will be judged by the law!

[@sabineshatraw7822]

I don't know but when i read the bible and what Jesus says it makes sense to me to live a repentant life style of transformation and to continually let Jesus transform me. My fruit should change and God should cut off the bad branches and refine me. How is that wrong to believe that?

[@robertcunningham9889]

Seems to me that we diligently look for or create issues to argue about. We don't fight against flesh and blood, but spiritual powers, and it is clear that the goal for them is to divide the house so it will fall. We're split into so many factions that the unity , one love, one purpose one mind and one accord is out of focus so badly. We spend our time in accusing one another, criticizing , condemning and judging one another, that one would think we're enemies instead of members of the body of Christ. What we believe is absolutely vital because God's Word is absolutely true-- there is one truth with many applications, so some body is right on an issue and another is wrong, but at our absolute wisest as humans, we are foolish before our God. I'm writing this without an answer, but I'm lodging my complaint just the same. My bottom line is prayers for Father to open blind eyes to see, clean out wax impacted ears to hear, and vainglorious hearts to be broken to pieces so that understanding of God's truth can prevail. Doctrinal purity is not an abstract command-- there is no wiggle room on doctrine-- the problem is not there, it is with the prideful, deceitful human heart that refuses to accept God's truth as it is written. Mankind's interpretation of the Word, based on human logic, sense of fairness and independent life, has no bearing on truth as God declares it to be in His Word! As disciples of Christ, we owe Him our total submission in obedience, in service, and the developing of our relationship with Him through the study of His Word with understanding. As Christians, we are accountable to Him as well as to each other. Prayer for His universal body is the best remedy I think is possible.

[@maaifoediedelarey4335]

Here is the real answer to this question, and it's not complex : Romans 10:8-9 "But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt *_believe in thine heart_* that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved". The key here is to 'believe in your heart" - if you do, your spiritual nature will receive the Holy Spirit, and your salvation is sealed for all eternity. Those who truly believe in their heart, will, however, do the will of the Father, even though they will still sin, for the indwelling Holy Spirit will cause them to. Hence, when Jesus said "not every ...., but he who does the will of the Father", he was referring to those who don't truly believe in their heart.

[@maaifoediedelarey4335]

@James Mosher I think it's the change of heart that is key - without it there can be no true repentance, and no conscious true belief in Christ.

[@jsmilers]

You need to study up a bit before trying to explain lordship salvation, my friend. You completely misrepresented it. May I suggest listening to Pastor Charles Stanley, one of the primary proponents of what you call "easy believism". He teaches that anyone who believes that Jesus died and rose from the dead for the forgiveness of sin will be saved, that repentance is nice, but is not necessary for salvation. To "repent" means to change ones path. The path that is being changed when one accepts Christ is that they are no long non-believers. Being a non-believer is what they repented of. Anyone who thinks that there is one bit more to it is a prisoner of pride and is trying to earn their way to heaven. God will change the heart of the truly saved, but many of them will continue to sin. No one will get to heaven because they sin less than the guy who lives next door to them. It's all about Jesus, not about us.

[@kingdomofheavenembassy6489]

“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.” How can a person say that he believes the Gospel if there is no change in the heart? Confessing with your mouth is not proof of belief - true repentance is.

[@johnxgalt8312]

Thank You

[@marylamb6063]

Matthew focused on Christ's sitting on the throne of David to fulfill God's promise to David. That's why Matthew starts with the regal lineage of Christ, proving that Christ was the seed of David. The rest of Christ's teachings were related to living under his reign. Because most rejected him save a few hundred or so, the Davidic promise is now in abeyance until the Jews are again restored. Why was Herod trying to kill Christ? Because Herod was afraid of the competition.

[@davidkleyn6120]

Without repentance, what pretence so ever men have of faith, they cannot escape the wrath to come. John Bunyan

[@beaulin5628]

A much needed explanation for the church today.

[@MoonPhaze5]

Repentance is not a work, it's a response to the Lord's commandments.

[@jirensentry7609]

How in God's name does repentance become unbiblical, when it is a very tangible, clear and practiced, as well as demanded "behavior" acted out in faith from the very beginning God demanded it.

[@ordinarychap1085]

John 7: "Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own." Matthew 5: "Be holy, therefore, as your heavenly Father is holy" Matthew 25: “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." John 3: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Revelation 20: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works." 1st John 3: "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." 2 Corinthians 7: " let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit. And let us work toward complete holiness because we fear God." 1st Peter 1: "And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do." Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened." Matthew 12: "The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here." Ephesians 5: "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." James 2: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." 1st Thessalonians 1: "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father"

[@sebastiansingh5167]

Cuz people like to believe in what they want and not what God says

[@jimkraft9445]

Romans 4:4-8 To him that worketh, is the reward not reckoned of grace but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness WITHOUT WORKS. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL of your salvation, (First Corithians15:1-4) in whom also AFTER ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise. 14 Who is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession unto the praise of His glory. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, and we all die, but the GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. The GIFT of God is, eternal life. What do you have to do to receive a free GIFT? Nothing. Just receive the GIFT. AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE, or not at all. This man preaches that what Jesus did for us is cheap grace. What a horrible thing to say. It cost Jesus everything, and cost us nothing. It is cheap for us because it is free. Jesus paid the price we could not pay. John 3:18 Believers are no longer condemned, but unbelievers are condemned already because they have not believed on the name of the Son of God. Our sin debt has been paid in full, and we can never be condemned again.

[@charlespackwood2055]

Metanoia - Mind after the flesh => Miind after the Spirit. Love this guy!!! I just got kicked out of my Church for believing in Lordship! They locked the door on me! Praise God! Romans 6 clearly shows to me that "the old man", "the body of flesh" & "the body of (this) death" was crucified wiith Christ -AND- therefore to the extent that you BELIEVE and appropriate this truth IS the extent that you will become a New Creation in Christ. Everything else is unbelief. Its from faith to faith, glory to glory! Romans 6 is water baptism's typology being fleshed out in the real believer's life.

[@runewolf77]

idk y but when I used to live by lordship salvation 4 some reason it made my soul weaker and my sins got so bad that it really scared me. But when I stopped examining my actions and let Jesus take care of everything at first it seemed like "carefree" do what I want willy nilly but then I realized that I sin less and didn't notice until I look back and compare. I don't know how Jesus did it but u don't have to be "trying to do good works" just simply believe in Jesus and don't worry about anything and God just ueses u and u don't know it 😲😃

[@bradleyharker9019]

Luke6:46-49. Paraphrase "why call me lord, and not do the things I say...?". Why waste your time? This -saved by grace alone, concept is the adult version of- time out for kids, and everyone gets a trophy for participating. In rev3:19 God is telling the angel of Laodice, "....be zealous therefore, ('cause you're lukewarm) and repent.". This angel and this church knows God, but that's not a free ticket to heaven. There's no - I know him and grace does the rest. Doesn't work with your wife, your boss, your friends, no one. You have to maintain a "worthiness of grace" in relationships. "Oh, I shouldn't have done that, good thing I'm saved!" No. That dog won't hunt.

[@ordinarychap1085]

John 7: "Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. 17Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own." Matthew 5: "Be holy, therefore, as your heavenly Father is holy" Matthew 25: “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me." John 3: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." Revelation 20: "And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to their works as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to their works." 1st John 3: "This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister." 2 Corinthians 7: " let us cleanse ourselves from everything that can defile our body or spirit. And let us work toward complete holiness because we fear God." 1st Peter 1: "And remember that the heavenly Father to whom you pray has no favorites. He will judge or reward you according to what you do." Jonah 3:10 "When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened." Matthew 12: "The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here." Ephesians 5: "Therefore be imitators of God as dear children." James 2: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead." 1st Thessalonians 1: "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father"

[@eyeswideopen2536]

My opinion: faith and belief leads to wanting to please the Father - repentance, following the commandments (observing Shabbat included) "If you love me you will do as my Father commands" or something like that

[@ljjdcm]

Is it repentance when you go from being an unbeliever to being a believer -from God being your enemy to believing that God loves and has forgiven you? -to change from focusing your eyes on your flesh unto Christ and your identity in Him to transform you into his image? Is it true that sin shall not have dominion over you because you’re not under law but under grace? Is it true that God says he’ll be merciful to your unrighteousness, your sins and Lawless deeds He will remember no more? Or not?

[@davidwendt9879]

it is definitely Just believing....not of our works at all....but! if you believe, you will have actions that confirm your faith...

[@Liminalplace1]

Interesting talk.. You do explain things well. I'm an evangelist missionary and a qualified anthropologist. I remember being corrected by a follower of Chafer over preaching repentance. It sent me into deeper study of the word. It's kind of amazing how preachers (e.g.. MacArthur) who aren't reaching the masses tend to critique from armchairs. It should give us time to pause. From a mere modern biblical theology ancient historical perspective you can establish how both Lordship salvation and easy believes ARE BOTH AMISS. For example the New Perspective insight of EP Sanders demonstrates that the concept that 2nd Temple Juadism was a WORK-Merit salvation is seriously in error from Augustine... and inherited by Luther. Jews actually believed they were saved by Grace not merited works. So the New Testament combats something else. So the easy believism's works and grace objection to "repentence" as a WORK is false. BUT Lordship Salvation falls into the same trap by making repentance (As in repentance from sin. Changed life) a condition of salvation. It may be more in error. The ancient Jewish historian Josephus, who wrote at the same time as the gospels of Mathew Mark that talk of repentence'wrote about his encounter with a,leader of Jewish resistance to Rome...Jospheus said to him "I told him to repent and believe in me" remarkably the same words used as.."Tbe Kingdom of heaven is at hand.Repent and believe the gospel" .Josephus meant was for this Jewish revolt leader to give up his revolt venture against the Romans and join Josephus and work with the Romans for survival... rather than engage in a war they couldn't win. Using this ancient insight its more likely Jesus call for repentance in the gospel WAS NOT a call to change one's sinful life in a religious sense as we are accustomed to thinking of the word "repent", but rather calling the Jews to give up their own agenda in bringing in the kingdom of God and believe God's way..the gospel. That no doubt has application but it changes everything!!!!.. It moves the posts and puts Jesus words in a historical context. And that may explain why Johns gospel doesn't even use the word "repent". Zame Hodges (an easy belivism theologian)has critiqued the view that repent means "a change of mind".. check it out on youtube. The presupposion of both position in that debate are the same and .modern ancient 2nd Temple research shows that presupposition of law merit and grace is wrong It's a complicated debate but as an evangelist I think God makes its very easy for ppl to come to Christ but very hard to get away.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Zane now knows that you don't pervert God's grace and is separated for eternity from God.

[@Liminalplace1]

@@2Chronicles714_ I don't believe he's lost..God is greater than our misunderstandings

[@2Chronicles714_]

What is the one thing that will keep you eternally separated from God? Sin. Hodges rejected repenting of sin. No one spoke more about repenting of sin than Jesus Himself. Jesus's first command when He started His earthly ministry was Repent Mark 1:15 The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!” Matthew 4:17 Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near. Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to REPENTANCE. Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the RIGHTEOUS but SINNERS to REPENTANCE. Mark 6:12 They [Disciples] went out and preached that people should REPENT. Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But UNLESS YOU REPENT, YOU TOO WILL ALL PERISH. Luke 15:7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one SINNER WHO REPENTS than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to REPENT. Luke5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.” Matthew 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because THEY DID NOT REPENT. Mark4:12 So that, they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn (from sin) and be forgiven! Jesus's final command for us to do. Luke24:47 And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in His name to all nations,beginning at Jerusalem. Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life ALL SINS INCLUDING UNBELIEF,false gods,witchcraft, self righteousness etc.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@Liminalplace1 It's too late for anyone who rejected the Lord's command that all people everywhere must repent of sin.

[@Liminalplace1]

@@2Chronicles714_ the word "repent" is like the symbol X. It's meaning is by context and the way it's used by native speakers. You cannot assume it's meaning and condemn those who don't agree. One teaching about grace in the bible is that it is God's incongruous gift...that is very clear. God doesn't look for those who are worthy (by a repentance of all sin) ,a changed life is a fruit of God's grace not a prerequisite.

[@johnnycanupp2123]

It's the goodness of God that leads man to repent without repentance there is no salvation he came into the world to save us from our sin when a man gets saved he gets a new nature inside him with the old nature they are contrary one to another you get the new nature a turning from sin and turn into Godrepentance and Faith toward God that gives you the new nature and that is being born again

[@stevehardwick7285]

Excellent explanation. We all know professing "Christians" who believe the facts, but never changed their walk or show any evidence of knowing Christ. They probably were baptized as an infant or said a prayer at a "revival" and simply think that ensures their fate.

[@livingwater7580]

this guy is in grave error, the will of the father is to believe in the son.

[@andrewlineberger7544]

Amen

[@oliverjuria993]

exactly...believe in what Jesus has done for us.

[@robertyglesias3692]

It’s also to refrain from sexual immorality and there are many more , get an app or concordance and look these things up . Show yourself approved . 1 Thessalonians 4:3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; 4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,

[@matthewmendez2394]

Yes it is but you easy beleivrists don’t see the full picture

[@2Chronicles714_]

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.

[@thirdplace3973]

He misquoted Romans 10:9-13. Paul isn't saying to call Jesus Lord to be saved. That verse is saying Jesus is YHWH. In verse 14 Paul is quoting Joel 2:32 which says "whosoever calls on the Name of YHWH shall be saved.". Declaring "Jesus is LORD" is declaring Jesus is God.

[@thirdplace3973]

*in verse 13

[@gospelgrace2693]

The Bible doesn't say that following Jesus is the evidence of Salvation! That's just another form of fruit inspecting!

[@peytonsingh1038]

1 John does tell us this, friend. Jesus also said in John 15 to the disciples that the fruit-bearing of them would prove them to be Jesus’ disciples. God bless!

[@gospelgrace2693]

Wrong my friend, not all believers are disciples. Jesus addressed the twelve men of that day whom He refers to as disciples. A modern day believer is one who shares the gospel with those around him. That is fruit! Helping the poor, visiting the sick..etc. Salvation happens the moment one puts their trust in Jesus Christ alone as Savior! Anything added to that is a cursed message that cannot save anyone! 1 John is NOT about works to evidence one is saved, it's about the terms a believer must manifest to have fellowship with God! You must look at the context! Chapter 1 clearly gives us the context!

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@gospelgrace2693 If we are true followers of Jesus than yes we are disciples.

[@jimkraft9445]

RC Sproul said before he died in one of his videos, "the most distorted verse in the bible" that He did not believe Jesus Said JOHN 3:16. Calvinists can not believe John 3:16. He also said, there is not such thing as a carnal Christian. First Corinthians 5:5 Turn such a one over to Satan to kill the flesh, so that his Spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord. This born again believer, Ephesians 1:13, was sleeping with his fathers wife. He was about to lose his life, and the rewards he could have had in heaven, but only his works were burned up, the man was still saved. First John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. But, only those who believe it are saved. God does chasten his children, but he will never cast us out and He has never lost one. John 6:37-40. First John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doeth not commit sin, for His seed, (the Holy Spirit) remaineth in him, and He can not sin because He is born of God. But we still do. First John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH is not in us. John MacArthur said people can take the mark of the beast and still be saved during the tribulation. John MacArthur does not believe it is the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sin. These Calvinists are all wolves in sheep's clothing preaching a false gospel of works salvation. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that WHOSOEVER, BELIEVETH IN HIM, should not perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it.

[@MrBazinthenow]

Lord Lord we've done things , works and stuff in your name surely this is my way to heaven , you should not banish me , ive done stuff . Look I'm saying the right word ' Lord ' come on this is the way I was told to get to heaven. Look I'm benny hinn I've cast out demons, I've healed the sick " . Said no truly saved Christian ever.This is a ridiculous verse to use . The context is ' false prophets ' .

[@JonathanGrandt]

Believe means to trust or have full confidence in. So if someone claims “all you have to do is believe the content or facts of the gospel” they are misunderstanding.

[@jesusislord2515]

This is a good argument, however, we must remember that the guy who owns the liquor store may still be saved, he is on God's timetable. A day is like 1000yrs and 1000yrs a day to God (2 Peter 3:8). In God's sovereignty, perhaps God is allowing sin in that man's life to mold him into a more effective disciple for Him. God keeps His Word, I am positive that if that man was born again that God will chastise him to repentance, in His for ordained time. John 6:39-40 reads, "And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day" (Holy Bible, English Standard Version, 2001).

[@gotteskinder3746]

What is Lordship salvation? The false gospel of "doing good" in order to be saved.

[@datchet11]

The book of James says faith without works is dead faith, the works James speaks of is a result of genuine saving faith the works are the fruit of real faith not the means of being saved.

[@datchet11]

@@martin9410 thank you for your input God bless.

[@eltonron1558]

What is run of the mill, econo class, salvation? The salvation virtually guaranteed by Christ to the whole world, and Sunday Christianity, that insists on it's own Lord's day. Mt. 12:31-32 Mk. 1:14-15 What is blessed sainthood? Those converted that keep the commandments of God. R. 14:12, 22:14.

[@Asia-dr4yj]

Great message - challenging stuff! Thank you, Pastor!

[@2wheelz3504]

This was excellent! I have read Zane Hodges and Charles Ryrie and John MacArthur and the Bible. The best book on the subject of salvation is the Bible. MacArthur's book is more biblical than Hodges and Ryrie's. This is serious stuff! We have different theories floating around in evangelicalism about how one can be saved. If we can't agree on that, we are divided over the most important doctrine in Scripture and we are in a sorry condition.

[@tedbates1236]

I understand we are saved by Grace through faith. I do not accept Lordship salvation. When people come to Jesus and say, Lord, Lord haven't we done all these wonderful things in your name? They are telling Jesus how wonderful they are, when I will say how wonderful You are! They are boasting of their good works but I will not tell Jesus how wonderful I am. That would be salvation by works. Yes I am saved by works. Not my works. But Jesus' works on my behalf.

[@tedbates1236]

Who is going to heaven? Dr. Barnett because he is so wonderful? Or me because I look to Jesus and I am grateful that He saved my lost soul. Jesus did not come to condemn the world but that through Him the world might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned but He who believes not on the name of the Son of God is condemned already. John 3:17-18. If you repent, how do you know you forgot one sin to confess and repent? Lordship salvation's requirements are such that everyone is damned to the eternal lake of fire. Jesus said in Matthew, "I did not come to call the righteous but sinners." In Luke he records, "I did not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance." Matthew just says sinners. It is so easy to be filled with self rather than kneel at the foot of the old rugged cross and be thankful for His precious blood shed on the cross for the remission of sins. I must go elsewhere. God bless.

[@oliverjuria993]

So what is the will of the Father? Isnt to believe in His Son Jesus Christ? And those who claimed to know the Lord, isnt they bragged about the works they did, and so Jesus told them I never knew you... Isnt it repentance (turning away from sins) a work, and not of faith? So what is repentance really? Even God repented many times in the Bible, but it never meant that he repented from any sin.

[@bereangirl7118]

Receiving eternal life is so simple and easy according to God but why do people like this guy make this process so complicated?". First he says that we need to turn from darkness to light and then later on he says God turns us from darkness to light. Which is it?". He is stumbling over himself.

[@ydnar0591]

What is John MacArthur's definition of "REPENT"? Is it OUR WORKS?, or JESUS WORKS?? or BOTH? IF by your own definition we REPENT? Then WE are actually a PARTNER {CO-SAVIOURS of OURSELVES with the LORD JESUS} of our "OWN" SALVATION! Also if what this guy is trying to Preach is assumed true, then WHY did the Apostle Paul write: "17 And if Christ (The Lord)~ *be not raised*(?), ~your *faith is vain*; *ye are yet in your sins*. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable."~1Corinthians 15:17-19~ KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to the Apostle JOHN it's "BELIEVING" on JESUS and the GOOD NEWS" that causes us to be SAVED...and Acts 16 backs that up: "31 And they said, *Believe* on the Lord Jesus Christ* and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." The ACTION WORD "BELIEVE" is OUR "FAITH", that what JESUS did at the CROSS SAVES US..{If that were NOT true then *WHY*did JESUS GO TO THE CROSS??? ~ If we could have been SAVED simply by JESUS calling himself LORD, then JESUS death Burial & Resurrection were all in VAIN and UNNECESSARY according to YOUR "LORDSHIP SALVATION GOSPEL".? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 50" And he said to the woman, *Thy faith* {Believing on JESUS}} hath saved thee; go in peace."~"JESUS @ Luke 7:50~ What roll does FAITH play in "YOUR GOSPEL" John MacArthur? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 40 "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and *believeth on him*, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."~"JESUS"@John 6:40~ ...KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 47 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that *believeth on me* hath {has} everlasting life."~"JESUS"@ John 6:47~.....KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOTE: According to GOD'S plan of Salvation by "GRACE", NONE of these could be written until AFTER the CROSS. "Hebrews 9:15-17~....KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "10 By the which will we are *sanctified* {saved} *through the offering* of the body of Jesus Christ once for all". 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: >12 But this man, *after* he had offered *one sacrifice for sins for ever,* sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. >>> 14 For *by one offering* he {JESUS} hath *perfected for ever* them that are sanctified*.{Saved}~ Hebrews 10:10-14~ ...KJV ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ BELIEVERS should of course call JESUS LORD, but IF that is *HOW we are SAVED*, THEN AGAIN: "WHY" GO to the CROSS?..the Burial & the Resurrection?{1Cor 15:1-4} If *your "OTHER GOSPEL"{Galatians 1:8} is how BELIEVERS are SAVED? THEN WHY would we need "THE GOOD NEWS"? WE WOULDN"T! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OBTW: WHAT IF A PERSON *TRULY BELIEVES WITH ALL THAT'S IN HIM THAT *JESUS IS *LORD* AND IS *OBEDIENT TO GOD* (?) AND *FOLLOWS JESUS* ? and A TRUE "DISCIPLE"?, and THIS PERSON ALSO 'ABSTAINS COMPLETELY FORM ALL "WEAK & WORLDLY BEHAVIOUR"? ..(((*BUT*))) THAT SAME PERSON *DOES NOT *BELIEVE* ANY PART OF THE "GOSPEL" ie "THE GOOD NEWS", AND~ He thinks that's "TOO FAR OUT* , and He thinks it's part of ~"SOME *EASY BELIEVISM* SCHEME*" SOMEWHERE / SOMHOW?"? THAT PERSON would *still be saved???~ according to "MacArthur's GOSPEL*" ?~as long as he is Obedient to GOD and a *Disciple* of Christ?..and of course a "LORDSHIP SALVATIONIST"? THAT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT "MacArthur's GOSPEL" SAYS!?...?

[@markwilkes5941]

1 Cor 15 makes it very clear the Gospels affect on a person. A person who believes the Gospel will do this. 1Cor 15:2 speaking of the gospel ..........By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. A person can believe in vain. Evidence of that would be "not keeping in memory" the gospel. Not works based salvation but being a new creature changes a person. 1 Cor 5:17

[@jenex5608]

Believing doesn't mean just holding to something true. It means trusting anf having faith. If that do James is clear even the demons believe

[@jarodgrape8694]

It is a person gets saved but they must remain faithful enough or obedient enough or they forfeit it

[@patricj951]

You don't believe in the gospel.

[@gospelgrace2693]

This guy is wrong! Yes, repent does mean "a change of mind" Meaning, we are to change our minds about our way of salvation (trusting in our good works), and put our trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ alone for our salvation! Repent does not mean to stop going down the wrong path then stop and go in the other direction as this guy is saying! If so, then Paul didn't tell the whole truth to the Philippian jailer in Acts 16:31. He said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved and thine house". James Chapter 2 is another book and chapter of the bible that the lordship people love to misquote to try and prove their position. James 2 is speaking of practical righteousness. It's about Service not Salvation! James is written to believers and is about how a believer is to live out their faith for the benefit of others! It is not about Judicial Righteousness (Salvation) like the lordship people like to teach! Matthew 7:21-23 is yet another area in scripture that the lordship people love to misquote. The context of Matthew 7 is found in verse 15 and it speaks of false teachers who were presenting their "works" to God at judgment rather than believing on Jesus Christ alone. Verse 22 confirms this when Jesus says, "Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, Have "WE" not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful "WORKS"? Jesus tells them to depart because they were relying on their works rather than trusting in Him! Verse 21 says: "Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter". What is the will of the Father? The will of the Father is that ALL believe on His Son and Him alone for Salvation. According to verse 22, these people were presenting their works to God and make no mention of trusting in Jesus alone as their Savior and their only hope for Salvation! Their focus was on themselves, not Christ! Lordship Salvation and Calvinism teaches works for salvation like Catholicism does. It's wicked teaching and Jesus is speaking to the Lordship Salvationists and any other works-based religion in Matthew 7:21-23! See also Galatians 1:8

[@2Chronicles714_]

1What is Repentance and turning away from sin? Jesus said in Luke 24:46-47 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. What does the Bible say about repentance? It means a recognition of my sin which involves Godly sorrow and a commitment on my part to change the direction of my life. Repentance is not an emotion.Its more than being grieved or feeling sorry about my sin and even having remorse. It is making a genuine 180° change of heart recognizing that sin(s) is against God. After repentance God wants there to be a genuine change of life because living in sin is disobedience and rebellion against God and the end result will be destruction of the soul in hell. So there must be a change in conduct and how you live. First John the Baptist came preaching repentance then Jesus's first command was to Repent in Mark 1:15 & Matthew 4:17

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Jesus never says I never knew you depart from me because you trusted in your works. They died as unrepentant unregenerated sinners who never repented of sin. The word knew means on an intimate level. They said they believed but that's not faith. We are saved by grace through repentance which is the consequence of faith.

[@gospelgrace2693]

@@2Chronicles714_ The Bible never says a person is to repent of sin to be saved! If that were the case then Jesus didn't need to die on the cross! Study Galatians chapter 2 and you will see this! Furthermore, the word repent is never used in scripture in regards to sin! It is always used in regards to Salvation! Salvation and Service are two completely different teachings in scripture!

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@gospelgrace2693 The Bible is very clear we must repent of sin for the forgiveness of sins. Without the forgiveness of sins one is condemned to spiritual death. Repenting of sin was required in the Old Testament and the new. 2 Chronicles 7:14 IF my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways then I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land. Turn away from sin for forgiveness. The sacrifice was different. Jesus died on the cross was buried and rose again as the sacrifice for our sins. That doesn't mean everyone's sins are forgiven. Jesus,John the Baptist Peter and Paul all said we must repent of sin and believe. Repent means change your mind about your sinfulled life, all sins including unbelief, false gods, witchcraft self righteousness etc. Jesus first command when He started His earthly ministry was Repent Mark 1:15 The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. REPENT and BELIEVE the good news!” Matthew 4:17 Jesus began to preach, “REPENT, for the kingdom of heaven has come near. Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to REPENTANCE. Mark 6:12 They went out and preached that people should REPENT. WARNING! Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But UNLESS YOU REPENT, YOU TOO WILL ALL PERISH. Luke 15:7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one SINNER WHO REPENTS than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to REPENT. Luke5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE.” Luke24:47 And REPENTANCE FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Matthew 11:20 Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because THEY DID NOT REPENT. Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous but SINNERS TO REPENTANCE. Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the RIGHTEOUS but SINNERS to REPENTANCE. We are not Justified by works but by faith. To believe is faith produced by repentance.

[@2Chronicles714_]

@@gospelgrace2693 Here's another one about repenting of sin. Example: 2Corinthians 12:21kj And lest when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed. Clearly repentance is turning from sin. Peter said we must repent of sin to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit one is not saved. Paul said: Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men every where to repent. Repentance turning from sin - is a prelude to holiness. Walking in holiness begins with repentance.We should think about it as a lifetime daily discipline of our faith , necessary for a holy life. None of us are sinless.

[@jimkraft9445]

The gospel. Which this man does not believe by his own mouth. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. When we believe that gospel we are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30. Lordship salvation is a counterfeit gospel of works salvation. It is believing we are saved by following Jesus but never believing He died for our sins. It is mixing salvation with discipleship. No one is saved by discipleship. Following Jesus never save one person. Judas proved that. He followed Jesus but never believed in Him as the Messiah, the savior of the world to all who would believe on His name. We can only receive the free gift of salvation by grace. You can not earn it like this man is preaching. Romans 11:6 Lordship salvation is works based salvation and against the grace of God to save sinners. Matthew 7:15:-23 Wolves in sheep's clothing. Many shall come before me on that day and call me Lord, and prophesy in my name, and cast out demons in my name, and do many wonderful works in my name, and then I will declare unto them, depart from me ye that work iniquity, I never knew you. Not is did know you and now I don't, I never knew you. Why? They trusted in what they did instead of what Jesus did for them. They never did the will of His Father in heaven. John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have EVERLASTING LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. John 6:29 Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the Name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

[@2wheelz3504]

Who is this man? What is DTBM? It bothers me when videos do not identify the speaker or the organization.

[@gregorylatta8159]

The will of the Father is to believe on Jesus. John 6 40.

[@wbl5649]

" What is the point of confessing if I do not repent? " Michael Corleone

[@jarodgrape8694]

If this helps anyone let me know. Luke 21 36. Is a verse they use to try to prove left behind. I believe Christ was addressing the whole world here as opposed to just speaking to believers. As we sometimes think of it. Also ma7 23. This judgment happens after the church is in heaven after armageddon. None of these people are born again Christians they are judged acc to their works. At oh. They only become sheep after passing thru this judgment bar. None of these people are justified freely thru the redemption in Christ. Repent change your mind about Christ. Metanoia. Renewing and transformation by renewing your mind. It can't happen til after conversion.

[@danielwhitten2479]

Can someone post the entirety of this lecture PLEASE!!! I just want the truth. I’ve been wrestling with this for a long time.

[@你是有缘人]

Perhaps most believers didn't even understand the simple - Faith of Christ Galatians 2:16 KJB Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 👉🏻 It has nothing to do with your free will to be ethical right/wrong and attitude towards life. I chose the good side.

[@eltonron1558]

Will of God. Ten commandments. Ex. 20 Will of Christ. Ten commandments. Mt. 19:17 Liars under grace. 1John 2:3-4. Blessed sainthood. Ten commandments. R. 14:12, 22:14.