I bought a 2007 s4rs. Best decision I've made when it comes to buying old vs. new. The s4rs is an unbelievable machine. Besides its timeless sexy looks, it rides and performs well beyond my skills. It sounds and smells like a proper Ducati should. Great video. Love my s4rs.
@jonnyspeed8 жыл бұрын
The old bike still looks better to me. The new bike looks like they ran out of ideas. The old bike is a classic. It never seems to age.
@JohnWick-dv5ny7 жыл бұрын
exactly my toughts
@AlanTrades5 жыл бұрын
It's probably the low mirrors and drag bars. Gives it that menacing look as opposed to an insect
@rabbie685 жыл бұрын
That’s why i have a “classic” 749 Dark...❤️❤️❤️
@mistreku3 жыл бұрын
boy oh boy, you're more right now than ever! the latest monster is absolutely atrocious, imo.
@docmccoy98132 жыл бұрын
Wait to see the 2022 model.
@kevinmeyer265511 ай бұрын
Love my 07’ S4Rs. Best looking and best performing Monster ever built.
@Errol.C-nz2 күн бұрын
as a Monster its is .. but I'm distracted with the 05 Streetfighter .. not the look but its performance, 30hp up .. the 1200's are too bulky & the older style frame looks right
@ronnyportulidis29708 ай бұрын
The s4RS is the last Mohican. An incredible, raw, fast and wonderful looking monster. I had one 10 years ago, had it for 3 years, sold it and bought another one this week again. Once you ride this thing it changes everything
@goeglemeel52787 жыл бұрын
Minor correction: The Monster S4RS with 998 Testrastretta engine was available from 2006 and not 2004 as mentioned, so this is a 2006, 2007 or 2008 bike. Actually I just got myself a S4RS today ;-))
@soyeltiolucas5 жыл бұрын
S4rs has the ducati 999 testsstretta engine, not 998
@mriphoneja6856 Жыл бұрын
@@soyeltiolucasno, engine 999 wasnt at s4rs. Wasnt at any monster.
@soyeltiolucas Жыл бұрын
@@mriphoneja6856 you are wrong. Source: I got one.
@mriphoneja6856 Жыл бұрын
@@soyeltiolucas can you show pls?
@fitty777 жыл бұрын
Hands down, the old one!!!
@wealllame4 жыл бұрын
:)
@matthewkonopka30125 жыл бұрын
Just got my first ducati and it is an S4R. What a machine.
@alejandrogonzales70225 жыл бұрын
Motorcycles were a "yeah that's neat" thing to me until I saw a Monster 900 about a dozen years ago. It was the first bike I ever thought I actually NEEDED to have. Now, I have a 696 and a deep appreciation for every bike I see on the road. Thanks Ducati
@abraham64644 жыл бұрын
haha, same story, fell in love with M900 in '98, now have s2r, last beauty without plastic, lcd and electronic annoyance safety help
@K-Fighter7 жыл бұрын
S4rs will always be the big mama of all Monsters
@rallyzamora83564 жыл бұрын
S4rs imho is the best Monster ever made
@jcc78 Жыл бұрын
now, in 2023, ducati s4rs costs more than m1100 and like m1200s. it's crazy. He was the last true ducati by Galuzzi. Now I get this bike in my garage and I will try to save this butiful motorcycle in perfect.
@behemothokun8 жыл бұрын
I hate the look of modern headlights on naked bikes. Just doesn't fit imo; always looks like a squished face.
@lorenzomagazzeni54256 жыл бұрын
@Behemoth squished face are for squids
@michaelmaxwell5682 жыл бұрын
A proper round LED headlamp fitted to the older monsters with the weird shaped light sorts the look right out. Night and day difference
@pedrobotinasguedes5 жыл бұрын
I Had a 94 M600, and now have a 2010 M696, and the build quality and reliability difference is astounishing. Also the ride quality improved a lot form de oldest to this one.
@Subliminal3117 Жыл бұрын
I know this is 3 years later but I hope you see my comment. How do you find the m696? Is it sportier? But also comfy? I've just got a '93 M600 and plan on keeping it until 2024/2025 fall. I've looked a bit on the m696 but also a m695.
@orangeorphan9 жыл бұрын
Such a good show. You guys are like Top Gear for Bikers! Keep it up.
@dmtdgptlqm7 жыл бұрын
I have a 2006 ducati monster S2R, the design is better than now in my opinion; I know the newest have a lot of electronic things, but without these , the driver is the "brain's motorcycle" and for me this is the real spirit of motorcycling.
@tjolofree11344 жыл бұрын
Old all the way. Something's missing in the new, mass produced models. They look Japanesish to me as well. Can't articulate it. Something rugged and tough about the Originals. They'll forever be the mashup, streetfighter master.. The Ducati Monster. Classic.
@Pillokun8 жыл бұрын
Actually the later 998(2002) and the 999 are very reliable. 97-early 2002 had problems with the flaky rocker arms but later did not had it anymore. Sure sometimes you could get a lemon but the quality over all of the 998/999 and later is quite good. But lets face it even later Ducatis has some problems, 1098 had for example problems with main bearings if I remember correctly and 1199 had problems with cylinder heads cracking.. But If you want a Ducati then you should not be discourage by an early 916(94-96) 998 and 999 are good too even though some 998 can have problems with the Flaky rocker arms too. Sure they seems more troublesome then Japanese bikes but they do not have Fatal flaws like the 4 valve machines produced (usually 916-996) from 97 to early 2002.
@MaverickM15 жыл бұрын
Pillokun agreed on 999. Had a 999s for 4 years with over 50000 in odo. It was very reliable, just maintanence nothing else. Beautiful bike.
@ZEYS10007 жыл бұрын
Best monster of all time. s4rs (999)
@jordisancho7325 жыл бұрын
Yeees !! The best Monster of history.
@davidmcguire59784 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. No Idea how many bikes I've owned over the years including several Ducati. My 2007 S4RS (red one lost over the rail on the Blue Ridge because of blind decreasing radius turn that surprised me with gravel and black replacement) were my favorites. The Termi exhaust note was my all time favorite when it was winding out under throttle.
@ZEYS10004 жыл бұрын
@@davidmcguire5978 i am very sorry you lost your bike, keep riding and stay strong. Greetings from Greece.
@djtchamp50763 жыл бұрын
996 -you mean
@L4STC4LL5 жыл бұрын
There must be some kind of serious mistake here. The Monster S4RS Testastretta did not exist in 2004. That bike must be an S4R if it's a 2004 bike, with the 996 motor, not the 2007/2008 S4RS with the 998 motor.
@ElementofKindness5 жыл бұрын
That's why I bought a mint 2016 Monster 1200R this year, for just 60% of new cost. With just 4K miles on it, it was an easy decision. Left me plenty of cash to customize it with all the touches I desired.
@eldominicano2176 жыл бұрын
what about a 2007 s4rs?
@mat29418 жыл бұрын
Is that monopoli money? What kind of value are they pricing the bikes?
@gsf1200s7 жыл бұрын
South African rand
@sven76397 жыл бұрын
1 South African rand = 0.07 U.S. dollars 1 South African rand = 0.06 Euros 1 U.S. dollar = 13.03 South African rands 1 Euro = 14.95 South African rands 16/07/2017
@sickdesmo9 жыл бұрын
that's definitely a monster s4rs(999) not a s4r(996).
@antoniosanna22924 жыл бұрын
It's also after this video that I got my full black, high termignoni, 996 beauty, MonsterS4r
@aimeYM18 жыл бұрын
Impressed. Hard to believe that an old Ducati performs better than the Monster 1200s. For sure, the old bike looks better.
@padysuperstar4 жыл бұрын
The ducati monster s4rs with exhaust and chip have an 154hp not 113hp
@vanamutt434 жыл бұрын
im offered a good deal on a '02 monster, i would pull the trigger. should i scrounge together a few more quid to get a newer one?
@matthewbrown76598 ай бұрын
The *one* thing about the S4R and S4RS to me is the way the radiator looks like it was made for a different bike and just pulled out of the parts bin. The new one can actually look *really* good with an aftermarket round headlight and a different exhaust. It's really unfortunate that that's all Ducati had to do to make the newer one look about as good as the old one.
@jpdj27155 жыл бұрын
The old Monster still has "dry plate clutch"? I read Ducati went "wet" in recent years - smoother, more slip, more loss.
@aluisious9 жыл бұрын
I have a 99 CBR 600. I could never stand to replace it with another sport bike, because it was so good and I'd already had it jetted and changed the springs and valves for my weight. New bikes are nice but dialed in carbs are a pleasure, and these days they try to make frames and wheels out of steel for a lot of the bikes.
@Sam-K8 жыл бұрын
Older Monsters were all about RAW HP... Newer Monsters are about cruising ala Triumph Speed Triple (Which BTW used to be a HOT Street-fighter)... But The Monster 1200 "R" does possess some serious muscle that will likely put this S4R to shame... Both are great machines though... Yes, they're both Monsters, but are designed for different type of riding... No surprise that an over a decade old Monster could easily beat the new 1200...
@fmartin094 жыл бұрын
I had an 1199 Panigale but my favorite so far in my Ducati S4RS... mine is the 2007 which has more power than the one you tested. I converted it into a cafe racer and looks/feels amazing. I don't miss the Panigale's speed and it is a lot more comfortable.
@imaginarypoint3 жыл бұрын
no dry clutch = not a monster
@LordPBA4 жыл бұрын
the truth is: more horsepower is not always better
@Bsteazy6 жыл бұрын
The S4R came with Marchesini wheels, did you guys buy better ones for it or are they the stocks
@Bruno-my9uf3 жыл бұрын
Best bike ever . it spoils you for ever . I had the 02 s4 done up dark carbon bits . I want another one . !!!
@wheelsdeal8 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately what is not mentioned in the video is that the old Ducati are a pain to drive in traffic,they dont like going slow and the service internals sucks and while Desmo services are too expensive whatever money you think you saved by going old soon you will spend that money anyway on high maintenence. The new generation of Monsters are more user friendly when driving with low rpm and they have doubled the service internals. Still the older versions has more raw power and so its basically what you are after.Lots of people dont like the new Ducatis they find them tame and kinda "japanised" if thats a word.
@MrKinir8 жыл бұрын
I can confirm some Monster aren't user friendly in traffic. I hate riding mine in town. Dry clutch + long gear ratio = no fun at all at low speed. I should change my gear ratio tbh.
@PhocaCPH8 жыл бұрын
Yep. To whoever is thinking about S4R for commuting: Just no... don't. You will hate yourself and the bike. However on open roads is as fun as you want it to be, or as exciting as you dare. And by God blue S4R is one of the beautiful bikes ever made, and with years it only gets nicer somehow. Not this one though... the black/red colour scheme and belly pan are too ostentatious.
@nyplantings24208 жыл бұрын
Well, wait a minute, I see your point but the Monster does have an upright seating position to see well over traffic, wide motocross style handle bars for leverage at low speed, light weight and very good low end torque. Maybe a larger sprocket as MrKinir mentions but there are far worse bikes in traffic.
@MrKinir8 жыл бұрын
You're right, it has wide handlebars, it's very light and nimble. If you change the sprocket, it should become quite agile in traffic. I'm not sure if this is true, but: I've been told they fit those super long gear ratios in factory to comply with the anti pollution norms. It helps with the tests. (Allegedly)
@TheDfelan8 жыл бұрын
wheelsdeal It depends which monster you compare. I have a 2004 M1000sie, which is air cooled and 2 valve. It is very cheap to maintain and I've never had any issues. The new ones are all liquid cooled and 4 valved, which is more expensive to maintain but they do have longer service intervals.
@rallyzamora83564 жыл бұрын
I'm bias ,ill take the old anytime
@beautifulbabyelise9 жыл бұрын
The S4Rs was made in 2097 and 2008 only. That was not a 2004 bike, so same time as the 1098 was made.
@graydemunter58504 жыл бұрын
They were made from 2006-2008 ending with the tricolore version. Grtz
@polniytrindec68016 жыл бұрын
I know it’s a bit late for this comment. But have you turned the abs and traction off on the 1200? I rode the s2r and I now own a 2016 1200s. The new monster is a whole new animal.
@PeterCrescenzi7 жыл бұрын
I have both bikes. 2007 S4RS Red Stripe and 2015 1200S White Stripe. You nailed it on the head when you stated that the 1200S is more "finished" ; however, I do enjoy the sound of the dry clutch sound over the liquid cooled. On the flip side. The S4RS is constantly in the shop for repair. So the statement of saving money really isn't true. I love both these bikes. From my own experience I will write that I prefer the 1200S as its easier to ride, electronics (including riding mode) are fantastic, and I have more confidence in its capabilities.
@stephenauty24024 жыл бұрын
They're both liquid cooled aren't they? Learn how to fix things and save yourself your hard earned cash.
@droneforfun53844 жыл бұрын
I have an S4 from 2001. Will go for a 1200S 2017. Reason: ABS. And my old S4 is very loose in the dampers and springs.
@michaelovitch9 жыл бұрын
a 2004 model is old ? damn....
@eviertelify6 жыл бұрын
It's gotta be a 2007/8 if it's an S4RS
@isupuikarishye72713 жыл бұрын
@@eviertelify no. Its s4rs 998
@eviertelify3 жыл бұрын
@@isupuikarishye7271 sorry, just a typo. Then it's probably a 2007, not 2004.
@TheDfelan8 жыл бұрын
A have a 2004 M1000sie with full arrow exhaust and tune. I rode the 1200s and mine back to back. I wasn't impressed, I expected the 1200s to feel faster, that wasn't the case.
@carloscastillom.8667 жыл бұрын
Ducati S4rs have 130hp. stock.
@fivespeed30269 жыл бұрын
4:16 He nails it with his visor open and no sunglasses. He better be careful or else a huge bug will blind him.
@madfzr2 жыл бұрын
Almost went with a clean 4k mile 2004 996 S4R Old bike, but loud dry clutch, way more intense desmo valve service repair schedule was a turn off.
@philjohn56186 жыл бұрын
the model of the black one Ducati???
@KaliKavala6 жыл бұрын
Great one. Good job guys. The new one looks neat but the old one is just... ehhh.. awesome looking
@TheCanadianCyclist9 жыл бұрын
old one looks nicer...
@searchingKT5 жыл бұрын
That was a beautiful explanation of the old and new monster. This old soul liked to do much. Thumps Up bruh!
@lukasgarage9563 жыл бұрын
I saved 35 years to buy a Ducati......spent a whopping $1000 for a Monster.
@Nikolai_The_Crazed7 жыл бұрын
I like the newer color of the monster 821. The grey color goes great with the design of the bike in my opinion. I would get a dark edition, but the lack of red accents makes the bike look bland to me. A bit of red on the frame, maybe the lettering on the tank, and I'd buy the dark edition in a heart beat. But the grey will do if they don't come out with what I'm looking for. Edit: search Ducati monster 821 carbon fiber on KZbin. The video at the top belongs to a guy who modded his bike, and that's close to what I'm thinking of. Just lacking the red frame. I mean, come on. The red frame is iconic to the monster. You can't leave that out.
@pvl46007 жыл бұрын
Ain't that cute, but it's wrong!!! The S4RS was made between 2006-2008. Also the specs at the end are wrong, they are regarding the 2004 996cc desmoquattro, the S4RS specs are way different. Oh, and I'm a proud owner of a S4RS, what can I tell you... it's a dream bike, love it!!!
@MarcS4R7 жыл бұрын
I have an S4Rs too. best Monster they ever made. its a beast with the classic design...
@eldominicano2176 жыл бұрын
hows the reliability? im considering buying
@pvl46006 жыл бұрын
No problems so far, but I'm doing all the servicing myself. I had a lot of older Ducatis, they had their well known problems, regulators, peeling cams and rockers, galley plugs, and what not. From 2005 the fabrication is different, the suppliers, everything. S4RS is a great bike to have and a great investment.
@rustytanks10 ай бұрын
Picking a 08' 695 monster up tomorrow, 27k on the clock, R40,000 😅 I'm a happy man
@Subliminal311710 ай бұрын
Congrats! I've been looking at that one sometimes. Maybe for a upgrade after my old Monster 600
@alexandrnikiti58953 жыл бұрын
I have monster 1100 2009. Model exactly that guy suggested 😀. So I should be fine with reliability.
@lebry195 жыл бұрын
i like to ask if there is ducati 400 cc with the monster design?
@alejandrogonzales70225 жыл бұрын
Look up the 695
@1DayAsADog2 жыл бұрын
nah, My 996 kicks ass and it is stunning to look at. People gather around it and take pictures of it when I park it. My V4s is tame and it is more comfortable than my 996. But 996 is a special bike
@jadeskie58937 жыл бұрын
what type of bike is this monster?? is it tracker or what??
@ArguZ725 жыл бұрын
The new looks like made by Fisher Price...still..and i said that 2007 when it came out first..i wonder if one could use Scrambler parts to bring it back to a proper Monster design
@lorenzomagazzeni54256 жыл бұрын
The S4S was a scary beast - all I can manage is a 695/I know my limits,
@mjolnir90303 жыл бұрын
I have a 2007 S4RS here in the US and, according to the original manual, the engine is a 998. Great comparison and still loving my Ducati S4RS Monster! Long live the Mostro!!!
@johngonzales47152 жыл бұрын
Classic bikes never gets old
@heliogenesi7 жыл бұрын
So the new monster has + 32hp, + 29nm and is also 10 kg lighter but the old one is faster? I know things in real life and on paper can be different, but with this much difference it is hard to believe.
@zdravost7 жыл бұрын
That is precisely what I was thinking! Something does not add up. It just seems to me that it was not much of a test. They are trying to hang the whole story on some drag racing run? How many runs did they do? Who were the drivers? Did they switch at all? Nothing but questions remain.
@heliogenesi7 жыл бұрын
exactly. their ''test'' doesn't prove anything.
@snowlyon48027 жыл бұрын
Ege Taşçıoğlu. The lower-spec model was souped up
@jamesavery66716 жыл бұрын
Yeah 200 hundred more ccs and it gets blown away some how.?
@Andrea.C88256 жыл бұрын
Datas shown in this video are wrong, s4rs had infact 130hp, 113hp its the older s4r 996cc
@iakonagoood40723 ай бұрын
Im a first time ducati owner of a 05 s4r
@seniorelzappo99193 жыл бұрын
You weren't talking bollox because you'd still spend 20 -30 thou on extras on a new 1200.. the old monster looks better, sounds better and is quicker but most important it has the Hey Babe "How you doin" factor when you pop out to the garage and we really like that..
@crad54762 жыл бұрын
44teeth made a video about which is faster, 2005 suzuki GSXR 1000 with 165HP or a ducati panigale V4 with 234 HP, and the suzuki won always. So in that category it doesnt matter how old they are. The only thing that really changes is the safety with all kinds of electronic help, so the 18 year old bobby with his new racebike bought by his parents doesnt have to worry all that much.
@CapnZman7 жыл бұрын
I had an 2007 S2R1000 that was somewhat kitted. Easier to work on and plenty fast for a naked bike and probably a better wheelie machine.
@CapnZman7 жыл бұрын
Sold it in perfect shape with less than 10K miles for $4K US, btw.
@gooo1762 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video. Thanks!
@ClutchFirst7 жыл бұрын
Very cool comparison vid.
@luciferrule72705 жыл бұрын
Best monster is old monster..
@lordemed13 жыл бұрын
Great video.....great SR4 !
@gstehouwer9 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer to get the new one and put a full system on it. This 1198 engine is capable of a LOT more than the 999 engine.
@AnythingEvil785 жыл бұрын
This seems to be a common theme in biking, no point buying new as older bikes are just as good to ride. No wonder sales of new bikes are suffering.
@NEVrooooom5 жыл бұрын
What currency is referring to? It sounds like Hobbit Dollars.
@razz04045 жыл бұрын
120 grand ? In what currency?
@daveyconcrete98013 жыл бұрын
Rand they are in South Africa
@Bruno-my9uf3 жыл бұрын
I tried the new 1200 and pane. No thaks . short stroke all the way. !! 👆for the books !
@emilmrkeberg95234 жыл бұрын
Old. Not obsolete.
@asadkamran56874 жыл бұрын
True that jeff
@alexwhitman93437 жыл бұрын
Definitely old monsters
@tiborhribar93064 жыл бұрын
only old
@luisantolafrancis5196 жыл бұрын
The original monster the best !! Y have a 2006 620 dark and y love it . Miguel Galluzzi the designer of the monster made the best desing of all !! Y woul love to have a Sr 4 one day !!
@garylowe86019 жыл бұрын
The difference is when you come to sell them. The new bike will drop a lot more value that the older bike. The reason the old monster is still that price is because people still want them and even more so now ducati are selling more bikes than ever.
@jitterball8 жыл бұрын
+Gary Lowe Service interval on the new Monster is every 9000 miles! That's a lot of miles, by that, I assuming that bike's price shouldn't drop that much.
@garylowe86018 жыл бұрын
jitterball Yes i agree. When you think Ducati's from 10 years about had service intervals of 600K, 6,000K, 12,000K, 18,000K So basically ever 6,000 miles.
@3star2nr6 жыл бұрын
The new bike looks fantastic. And this isn't really a fair comparison. Throw thousands at any bike and I'll get it to out perform something that's showroom stock... I can put a turbo on my mustang and out run a Shelby. But my car is still, not a Shelby or nearly as good all around
@shashanklaur5078 жыл бұрын
But the new one will last as long as the owner.
@lorenzomagazzeni54256 жыл бұрын
I'm afraid my Monster will last longer than me... I'm not a spring lamb.
@dmtdgptlqm6 жыл бұрын
Old no doubt!!!
@massivemikeh Жыл бұрын
I disagree with the fat bearded guy here. The ducatis after 2001 were not particularly unreliable. Sure they are old, but with descent maintenance and low mileage can be very reliable bikes.
@eastbaymauiboy8 жыл бұрын
that is eight and a half minutes of my life that I can't have back. as soon as I heard that those Motors don't last long in the S4R, that pretty much did it for me. and is it just me, or does anyone else believe that the older Ducati can't possibly be quicker or faster?. I mean maybe stoplight to stoplight?, but no way in the quarter mile.
@moomoodeadcow8 жыл бұрын
A 10 years old Ducati with magnesium wheels on it. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
@MrKinir8 жыл бұрын
Well... why not? My Monster 1100s is 7+ years old, and it came with magnesium wheels from the factory.
@kevinganser78952 жыл бұрын
Nah bro, S4R aint gonna lose value.
@PTibor-mo1tf6 жыл бұрын
so the older is faster? ahahhahahahah good :D then no point to buy the new.ducati....
@staticage9 жыл бұрын
Why spend 200k on a new ducati? easy DRP!
@daveyconcrete98013 жыл бұрын
I ride a 2000 Monster 748
@ba0343709 жыл бұрын
Great video
@macromediac4 жыл бұрын
I like the old ones design..but that golden forks doesn't look good with it ..may have to just change colour of that forks and wallah....
@PaoloPix643 жыл бұрын
La mia vecchietta(s4 2001),fa sempre la sua porca figura!
@pvkjhilk83239 жыл бұрын
shit that was a cool comparison. i welcome all the old vs new you can throw at me
@vijaytaur94078 жыл бұрын
Vijay Taur
@paulocarreiro58559 жыл бұрын
Great stuff!
@lorenzomagazzeni54256 жыл бұрын
Exactly all the extra electronic crap, scare me. Good for millenials not for an old dog like me.