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[@mazzytechna6490]

I remember my art being mocked as a kid online and being "white knighted" till I started to hate my own work. I hate that shit is being continued. Cristim is helpful, being a dick isn't.

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

Seriously, I hate that bullshit. I mostly don't post my art online unless I'm VERY happy about how it turned out, because at that point I could care less what others say, they can suck it if they wanna complain since it's my damn art style

[@apolloandwarrior_3229]

Yeah same here, it's actually very rarely I show my parents my work due to this. Mostly because my art is anime and Fandom stuff and 2010 youtube drilled it into my brain that my comfort things were *cringe*. Still scarred from Solarsands

[@mazzytechna6490]

@@lovelysakurapetalsyt people arnt worth it. ^^ I hope you will soon love everything you make to post it

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

@@mazzytechna6490 I doubt that'll happen, depression and anxiety aren't a good combo for liking your own work haha

[@PepperPepper933]

Do not let yourself get bad influence. You don’t need to keep constantly hate your work. You have a good art talent!

[@elizabethratcliffe3859]

one channel who i think is really respectful and kind with it is Love2DrawManga who tends to _genuinely_ want to help/is helpful with her critique instead of just it being 'haha its bad'

[@kayisconfused_]

I love her critique videos!! She’s always so nice about the art, and even when critiquing her own old art, she doesn’t do the “oh haha this looks so cringe and bad” thing that could affect viewers’ self esteem

[@sunburst3476]

YES I was about to comment about her. Her content is great and she genuinely wants to help people. I like how she keeps the style of the artwork instead of just slapping her own artstyle on it

[@elizabethratcliffe3859]

@@kayisconfused_ yeah! she goes out of her way to be polite and GENUINELY helpful

[@st4r_eats_molten_plastic]

The only time she ever “roasted” someone was when they literally asked her to in their submission. And all she said was “your character has BABY HANDS!!!!” and was actually so sweet about it I love her sm!!!

[@-Spider2099-]

FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HER! She’s really nice in her critique videos I love her content so much and I’d even say she’s one of my favorite artists

[@BBkiny]

Everytime I see a thumbnail with "bad" art and big red letters saying "You should quit" it really makes me feel horrible because it's already hard for people (for me anyways) to not give up on learning art, I just can't imagine a struggling beginner artist seeing their favorite youtuber telling them to give up, that must hurt yknow? Even if they consented to being "roasted", It just seems straight up mean and cruel to tell someone to give up on their passion for mistakes they've made

[@DemiSuaton]

I had stopped drawing for two years before continuing, because apparently others said it was bad etc. I’m glad I found inspiration and started drawing again, art is a wonderful way to express yourself.

[@thatstockin]

‘you should quit’ & ‘maybe art isn’t for you’ & ‘choose a new hobby’ Are not advice and you should take it with a grain of salt. A stranger’s bad opinion doesn’t matter, even when they are infinitely more skilled than you. In the end it doesn’t mean anything, you do art for yourself for the most part. Just because you do something you enjoy doesn’t mean you should not enjoy it because someone said so. Stay strong my friend! 💪

[@sprout_senior]

usually the excuse for putting those things in the thumbnails is “oh it’s just to get more engagement, it’s a clickbait title” which is a special kind of gross to me. like, either they genuinely think inexperienced artists should quit/their art is bad, or they don’t care if people think they think that because all that matters to them is engagement… on a more positive note i’d like to personally encourage you to continue your craft! i believe everyone has something beautiful to put into the world, and it’s a joyous event when the rest of us are lucky enough to see it! have a wonderful day/night ❤

[@BBkiny]

@@sprout_senior Exactly! It's not an excuse to "do it for engagement" it makes them just as shitty. And thank you! I really needed to hear that, and I agree that art is a wonderful thing even tho sometimes it's hard to keep at it and not compare yourself to others

[@-bobsworld-]

FINALLY someone talks abt this😭 I absolutely hate the way these videos constantly bash bright colours, messy lineart, stylised proportions, black shading and like so much more! They talk abt bright colours like there's not entire movements where ppl mainly use only bright colours☠️

[@CleoDragon]

I agree, as someone who has a very vibrant style with a lot of bright colors and INTENTIONAL stylistic choices, these videos really hurt / anger me, it just sends the wrong message, whether intentional or not.

[@jonelrobinson4039]

Agreed 💯 I like using bright colors for my drawings. I hate when they bash it.

[@wolving]

biiig agree on the stylistic proportions part! i literally saw one youtuber who criticized an artist because they made the choice of drawing hands that have three fingers. mind you, the artist had a very cartoony style and the three fingers totally made sense, but they were mocked for "being lazy". when i saw that, i literally clicked off the video because i was so annoyed.

[@sour.sparkleofficial]

@@CleoDragoni really like your hermitcraft art

[@nursebee-vomit5058]

The funniest part is it shows their lack of understanding of art. A multitude of cultures are known for bright colors and stylization. Latin American, African, Spanish, Native American, Japanese, Russian, and Indian art are known for it, among many other cultures.

[@Randy_Racc00n]

A positive thing for the comments. I've been getting better at drawing birds in my art style! I love birds, and the way I'm drawing them now, they fit in so well!

[@sour.sparkleofficial]

woooww cool

[@PPBbunno]

oh that’s so cool!! i wish i could draw animals (well, anyway), but the only one i can is cats and i don’t really have any motivation to learn. sadness. i hope you enjoy your birds though!!!

[@EvValar]

That's awesome 😄🐦

[@AleksdeArt]

At the end of the year I did a Rating and Roasting of my own videos from that year and I intend to turn it into a series. I think that roasting can only be fun if it's something like a self joke or between really good friends as an inside joke.

[@Ilovehotmoms001]

As someone whose art has been reveiwed by samdoesart i love the way his videos are it really helped me improve and there are actually alot of them that arent really pointing out mistakes but just showing way to improve, like "if you move the leg bacwards it becomes a more dynamic pose" instead of saying "ewew what is that leg that looks so weird like that you gotta move that"

[@aoi_lovesart]

Frr

[@hangezoe3828]

I agree :)

[@AlfredEiji]

Sam is definitely one of the best and most kind with his “roasts”.

[@Swe3t_Coffe3]

Art roasts are just straight up bullying for the most part. Unless it's like constructive criticism. Let's also not forget the fact that art is subjective and what may work for one style will not for another. It's like a balancing act really. Yet another banger Duplicate Anastasia!

[@miss.truffle5587]

Yesss, it really does depend on art style, not every person draws realistic or semi-realistic art like all of these art fixers

[@bsignsstudios]

Kooleen is so disrespectful towards Tiktok artists

[@Amanecer458]

I think the roast is like cinema sins, started as a critic became a kind of satire with a criticism and later cant separate the joke and the truth

[@jironitevale]

just found your videos and i’m really, really enjoying them. you’re very clear and deliberate with your wording and i really enjoy how calm you are. it’s really a breath of fresh air amidst a sea of comedy centric reactionaries making a knee jerk video for quick and easy drama views.

[@Yuki-oq5yl]

Tbf, I don’t mind SamDoesArts since his video are clearly meant to be joking wise, and I believe his viewers are aware of that when they submit their drawings. Also, he does point out some actually valid things here and there, but the joking part is more or less the whole point of the videos being made

[@ordikaiVT]

Art roasts are just bullying with "Its just a joke bro" mentality. Personally I love Naiki Saito's way of receiving praising the fans work and then gently teaching them how to bring out the best of their art :3 (He's the reason I can draw well enough to be commissioned so I'm a bit of a fan) His stuff if curious: www.youtube.com/@saitonaoki2

[@rutad363]

in case of like samdoesart, wouldn't the viewers stop submitting their art if they didn't like the way that he roasted them? 😭

[@inspectorspinda]

Absolutely. Some people have a sense of humor about it and don’t care. And Sam doesn’t do serious roasts, he just makes his videos funny

[@RandomWolfie]

I agree with you, oh and I love the drawing you did it is adorable I love it and your style

[@rblxgamer567]

The thing that most of these "fixing yout art" artist do is that they change the original artstyle and change it to their own. However I do recccomend Jackie Droujko and Love2DrawManga to watch cause they do give good advices and dont roast the artists, they ACTUALLY HELP them, something these artists don't do

[@kuroshi_anaki]

The only review channel i watch is naoki-sensei!! He's a really nice and wholesome guy, kind and constructive advice to art people submit to him for advice. He's japanese and for non-japanese speaking people might be put off, but theres eng subs. i reccomend him a lot! !

[@komradekoshka7801]

yes i love him!! even in his 'fixes' he doesnt drastically change the style of the og artist and tries to retain the same essence. hes awesome!

[@lylicasoelluna6810]

​@@komradekoshka7801Even with the revisions and changes that are made, they also come from a professional background and are also framed as being suggestions and things to consider - all of which benefits everyone looking to learn or try new things too.

[@mori_nobel]

I’ve been drawing since I was in kindergarten but didn’t take it seriously until my last two years of high school. I looked up what I could to improve because I WANTED to. I didn’t let others dictate what was right or wrong with my art because I only wanted to create. With every drawing I only manage to get better than I was before because I kept trying and had fun even if it wasn’t “perfect”. Yes I used many, many references but only because I WANTED to understand what I was making so it fit my vision. Draw for yourself and fuck what people want you to do with your art. Have FUN because that’s why art is so fluid. It’s a medium not a genre. Even now I create what the hell I want and I’ve seen progress without even trying. Only because I keep experimenting do I continue to draw and create art. My art teacher was my biggest supporter and helped push me to push my art.

[@mastertofu]

I wanted to make art roast videos because it looks fun and some artists find my critique useful. I guess it's the fact that it's specific criticism for a specific problem the artist has that makes it effective and it's not just going "this is bad, you should do this instead" without any deeper explanation. Last night I had corrected an artist who had a misconception on how arms work and I think what makes it effective is directly communicating with the artist to understand their problem. I think art criticism should be a conversation, not just one person monologuing on the right thing to do.

[@frootsnacc6790]

A channel I believe does this sort of think right is Jackie Droujko: a professional artist who has worked/is working in the industry, and she focuses her segments with each art piece on how to improve the anatomy, colors, etc. She does it using Photoshop, so she can make these edits and fixes without essentially redrawing the art piece in an entirely different style. Her channel is VERY constructive to artists, so I recommend giving her a watch!

[@carlosquall15]

Many people just wants to be a jerk under the guise of "criticism"

[@Ur.local.dipsh1t.Esther]

I honestly never liked “art roasting” videos tbh they were always kinda toxic Like i know its for entertainment purposes but at the same time it’s not even funny its just like “you cant draw this seek professional help” like what if i have stylized proportions its not gonna kill anyone

[@sunlessrose8848]

I remember when I was selling my art at my very first con (My art was not good, I didn't have a lick of talent) a couple people came up to my table and said "Ya know, art might not be your thing" Needless to say I was devastated but I wanted to draw and I wanted to get good. But then years later I started teaching drawing lessons and I ALWAYS encourage and motivate my students even if they struggle cause I never, ever want anyone to feel the way I did. Unfortunately social media has made it really easy to tear people down without ever having even met them...

[@merusotajio2222]

I think the best art "roasting" youtuber and the only one that does it right is Jackie Droujko Her tips are ACTUALLY useful she doesn't completely shifts the art and she is a professional working for Disney

[@foxesofautumn]

I'm from DA, back before the refresh, and I don't share the concern that these videos suddenly are inciting people to leave unsolicited critiques and make it harder to share art. That's always been there. It's the same on Reddit. I don't remember a time before it. Actually the roast videos are preferable as there is a consent there. I don't think they're created a problem. It's a very old problem that has never gone away.

[@Vineethajojo]

I'm a designer and feedback has helped alot with my design works

[@EmpressCirce]

Could someone link/mention the artist she spoke about doing good critiques? I'm really interested but struggle to find them... Also I *hate* art roast videos - they always make me so unmotivated and dejected even though I'm not the one getting roasted.

[@thatonepekokinnie]

I was so focused on what you"re talking about that I didn't realise that the character in the speedpaint was Fyodor wearing a bear hat and bear paws.

[@dragoncatvi]

some people I see online, even some of my friends make fun of artists who use the circle tool to draw character heads :( its really sad to see i mean i never used the circle tool myself but i truly do see whats wrong with it?? cringe culture is horrible my friends see my art i dont post and make fun of me i laugh with them but it hurts a lot tbh,

[@DamnQuilty]

My least favorite roast videos are the ones that assume that only their way of doing stuff is theirs.

[@bloodyorangescribbles8391]

Anyone know how to spell the name of the artist she mentioned at 22:57 and where to find them?

[@MonsterMasterFightingLucario]

Now I’m glad I’m no longer friends with people that jab at my creations. There is no way I will make my art similar to anyone specific. We do what we want, as long as it’s not harmful. I’m free to accept constructive criticism, but those who would belittle anyone for creating what they want otherwise would be no friend of mine.

[@finkyou]

Honestly, the best art roast videos are Ponder's “Cringey Artist” series

[@Rw-mhrg]

people purposfully send their art to sam and kooleen knowing damn well they will be violated 💀 so theyre signing up for it and they dont have the right to complain about it

[@azamiichuu]

Still doesn’t mean this is a helpful way of art critique, it’s literally just bullying you volunteer for lol also koleen fucking sucks

[@aoi_lovesart]

Fr people who did not experience this want to critisize them . Also,who is going to cry about this,Like they want this to happen to them.

[@SoftieBara]

I think the roasting videos do have a place. However, my take is that the pieces should typically be more advanced skill level and/or focus a bit more on the subject of the pieces than the pieces themselves. There needs to be a good bit of discretion in any case. At least more than we have. Critique should always be given at the receiver's consent and I commend the roast videos for doing that at the very least. But the problem is that a lot of the time the roasting is based on the personal preference of the one roasting instead of taking the nuance of the artist in question into account. And that's where I think a good bit of the trouble lies. Younger and bolder artists or even just rude individuals with no filter are taking their favorites' preferences in style and subject matter and trying to apply it to everyone's art regardless of the skill level or preferences of those being 'critiqued'. It really sucks. I wanna see younger and newer artists grow and prosper. I want them to do better than me. And that's less likely with so much of the cringe culture still alive.

[@dima_keller]

Maybe I haven't watched them in a while, but I don't think Sam's roast videos are that bad and as far as I remember Sam keeps giving advice and saying that making mistakes is good and other motivational stuff and I probably wouldn't mind submitting something of my own at some point to his video. Also afaik he makes fun of what is drawn about as often if not more often than how it is drawn Kooleen is definitely just "picking on easy prey", but she's just overall a very... "harsh" person in many ways it seems and I honestly still don't know what to think of her

[@nameerav.g1395]

OMG you're taking this way out of proportion

[@Sqewree]

i lovw notion

[@Rebecca-qg8pb]

I've given up on art so...thats not my problem anymore Its not made for everyone I dont want to spend my entire life learning something that just makes me feel like crap wasting my best years.

[@tacoforce5]

…okay?

[@SylvesterLazarus]

In all honesty I'm sure it already exists, we as a society should pay more attention to the opposite of these videos, where people look at submissions and say what they like the most in them to point them out as good examples of certain things.

[@TheBomwa]

I respect your opinion and can see the validity. However I’m also going to google “Sam roasts art” as soon as this video is done.

[@onorebakasama]

thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU I really think the "art roast" trend and hostility from big artists on KZbin and elsewhere made me quit drawing for about 5 years. That, and the many thumbnails with a big red arrow and text saying STOP. DON'T DO THIS. BAD. QUIT IT. I just thought... is this a community I even want to be a part of? Do I really want to open myself up to big artist bully--er, "critiquing" me with such cruelty, with such little constructive value? I did start drawing again, but my self-consciousness is still there--heck, I've been working on one piece for my girlfriend for six months now because I want it to be perfect so damn bad.

[@drummerxkun]

Agreed, I’m such a massive hater of “art roast” videos

[@Miko_2352]

I just noticed that she’s drawing fyodor

[@nintai6656]

There is also the third party psychological trauma when a beginner sees a work that they think is way beyond their current level get insulted. It’s kind of sad that society these days can’t see past their tunnel vision and people can’t think about others. This problem isn’t the fault of the content creators or the people who consent to it or even the viewer it is a matter of society insisting on competition being “normal” and “healthy”. The only person anyone should ever compare themselves to is who they were the day before.

[@themasterofpotatoes9475]

I get criticism about anatomy, framing or whatever. But I never got the roasting of styles or character choices. It's like they're setting the golden standard for how art should be and nothing outside of that can exist? It's so self centered and harmful for insecure beginner or even long time artists. It's not even helping them improve because it's not trying to help them evolve their art, it's just roasting their personal style

[@PupkinPumpkin]

YESSS I'M EARLY!!!

[@N1LL0_ooo]

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[@laffy7204]

The Virgin "omg, looks at this terrible anatomy" vs the Chad "Your art is NOTHING. It serves ZERO purpose. You should stop doing art NOW

[@Lazyzesmellyfeet]

At the end of the day I think that Samdoesart doesn't really mean to be rude to his fans art. his fans said that they want to be roast but when he was roasting them he said that he didn't mean it to sound rude and that he is proud of us Improving but I think that Koolen is the one who is actually rude at this point, her "advice" was to draw pretty people cause you will get alot of likes. I never liked Koolen for her humor and advices she gave on KZbin but at the end of the line she never said that it's for entertainment only that "her fans told her she can roast them", ofc no hate to you, you are proving points! Keep up the good work 💞💞💞

[@antaresthetall]

Helpful critique is one thing, so long as it is REQUESTED, but there's so many purposeful styles that might not fit in with the art of the roasters. I've always been too shy and sensitive, so I don't really think I could ever handle one of my heroes mocking my art, even if it is just jokes. But, if a person who aims for realism isn't the best at comic or cartoon art, or the cartoonist isn't great at realism, it's hard to really judge due to the wildly different styles.

[@SatyrToon]

There was a youtuber who would often critique art on his channel without asking permission. He'd just stick the art in a DA folder titled "To be reviewed on KZbin! :)" He put some of my art in there when I was a young teen and I PANICKED when I got the notification. I messaged him and said "Please remove my art from that folder. You can give me critique on DA but I'm not comfortable with my art being reviewed on your KZbin channel." His response? "I will remove it and not review it on my channel, but I don’t understand your discomfort. This is exposure and you should be thankful that I wanted to show it to people. This is how you grow as an artist." I wasn't asking to not be critiqued. I just didn't want a video on my pre-teen art put up on KZbin for his ten-thousand subscribers.

[@merusotajio2222]

This is horrible ! Who is this guy ?!

[@bella_daze3092]

That’s horrible. Im so sorry that happened

[@pemanilnoob]

I’m so sorry that happened.. that’s a big yikes…

[@identitycrisis5020]

let me guess, this was Solar Sands, wasn't it?

[@ToriaRoot]

Solar Sands moment

[@whatever231100]

I'm not gonna lie, its took me YEARS to feel comfortable showing my art or even feel motivated because of the art roasting. Made me feel that the way I stylize was "wrong" and I would stress about the details. Now and days I can look at my art without getting angry. I'm proud of how far I've come with my relationship with art :3.

[@loopsie_]

I still feel this way ngl but seeing this comment feels inspiring, I hope to feel the same, if not, similar, amount of confidence as you within my art one day :)

[@Acidfrog475]

@@loopsie_I believe in you. Just remember, your art’s worth is not tied to what the viewer thinks of it, only your own feelings towards it. Cringe is dead, you can and are allowed to make whatever you want.

[@loopsie_]

@@Acidfrog475 thank youuu

[@MiaVilleneuve]

I think Jackie Droujko is one creator who makes "art fixin" videos in a respectful and helpful way. No exaggerated reactions, no zooming in, just offering critique.

[@doof-the-chonk]

I think it's pretty unfair to lump SamDoesArt into this category. I don't think I've seen a single video of his, roasting or not, where he doesn't actively try to teach. Not only does he get consent via explicit submissions only, his roasts are fairly light and are always followed by advice. For example a common joke would be about making your characters look like Sid the Sloth then following it up by not only describing facial proportions but also actively editing the submitted piece to show how you apply the advice in real time. He also recognizes the difference between style and skill, so he never redraws anything into his style as the "fix".

[@doof-the-chonk]

And to be clear, I know you tried to clarify this a lot, but some key things I disagree with are statements like "it's for the cheap entertainment only and not actual learning". Tons of great advice is given with active demonstrations, and to be honest I find actively correcting mistakes (mine or others) is infinitely more helpful than out of context advice. You cant correct a mistake without acknowledging it, and consensual jokes are a commonly appreciated form of lightening the atmosphere around that acknowledgement.

[@Alexander-dw3jw]

Also, the fact that all the art in his roast video are people that used the hashtag #samroastme so people know what they are singing up for. They know that those videos aren't meant to be taken as seriously, and it's mostly joking. He has other videos where he focuses more on actual criticism and helping people improve.

[@aoi_lovesart]

Fr!!

[@realrebelli0n]

SamDoesArt totally belongs in this category and you should probably carefully listen to this video again as you didn’t get the point. Also Sam totally has videos where he redraws other people’s styles into his own style. Actually he’s notorious for doing that.

[@aoi_lovesart]

@@realrebelli0n he doesn't as he's pointing out what went wrong in the drawings and giving Tipps on how to improve. What he does the most is the skull of his "enemy" and the "hiding the cameleon eyes" ones. And i went trough his whole entire channel and the "fixing your Art" thing occured ONCE. The yassifying one doesn't count because he's making their ocs "prettier" ( it's a joke ) and in those Videos he's also telling you how to better your art and critisizing it. And it also doesn't help your case because people want critisism in those Videos and they give it to him on his hashtags to improve. If people want critisism they Post it and tell people they want critisism. Also his new series "turning your ocs into villains" isn't even "fixing" Art. It's re-imagining their hero ocs into villains wich isn't fixing Art.

[@tinymittensdesign]

I think the only 'roast' videos I've actually enjoyed are from Temi Danso Art. While she does have the problem of using a clickbait title(calling it a roast) and a clickbait thumbnail plus making her intro look dramatic...her videos are just flat out critiques. She always starts with what she loves about the piece and compliments wat was done well, how she loves the bright colours, before getting into what could be improved, and it's all reasonable things that could help someone improve their art.

[@dinos_go_quack]

the only other artist who does good critics that i’ve seen is jackie droujki. she’s a character designer and animator and is really good at helping with anatomy and composition while keeping the original stylisation, colours, etc

[@theobamaprism]

​@@dinos_go_quack ooh, oh, and int forget about Love2DrawManga! She's so nice, she did a few art critique videos, buts that's what they legitimately are. She offers helpful insights and critiques, stays in the art style of the creator instead of slapping her own art style on it, and even compliments the piece with what the creator did good! Rebekah (that's love2drawmanga's name) is such a sweet individual, and makes great art critiques Jackie too!

[@deathofdespair]

Thank you!!! I was just about to make a comment about Temi. I love her content; the series you mentioned has helped me immensely with my art.

[@alliu6562]

Well here’s the thing: The reason why art roasting can be harmful is because it isn’t just roasting the art and/or artist in question, it’s roasting everyone with these beginner styles and mistakes. It’s like when an influencer with a big nose gets cancelled for something unrelated, and then everybody starts being like “they’re so mean and so ugly like look at how big their nose is”, without realizing how hurtful that is to their friends/family who have big noses. It makes everyone who shares this trait, whether it’s something that can be changed or not, feel terrible because they’re thinking “oh, so this is what people ACTUALLY think about me.” Also, I did watch a few of them in the past and sure, sometimes it’s a little entertaining, but as an adult artist with a decent following and okay self esteem… it stopped being funny once it became clear to me that many “roasts” were just dunking on unconventional styles. I’m fairly certain at least 90% of the artists watching and enjoying them are insecure about their own art, and want to see others get dunked on so they can pat themselves on the back and say “see? I don’t do that (anymore), so I must be good at art actually.”

[@lemonmeat]

i was thinking that too!!

[@lemonmeat]

@@SplicedBeast clearly you do

[@Ican3sleepxd]

​@@SplicedBeastNeither do your parents.

[@Gray_S_Art]

I find samdoesarts isnt that bad he still gives good criticism and his intire brand is intense almost sarcastic negativity

[@fakeartgoddess_]

He's way too calm for the burning roasts alotta art ytbers do when i watched him-

[@hasti_varsani725]

ngl roasting a beginner arist for drawing hands badly is kind of stupid cuz mostly hands are quite hard to draw (unless you are born with a talent of drawing hands without guidelines)

[@jonelrobinson4039]

Agreed I never could draw hands

[@tecneon]

I want art roast channels to target only ai art Thats who they should make fun of not beginner artist

[@thelittlestarlight6221]

YES

[@pemanilnoob]

@@SplicedBeastyou literally made zero sense there

[@GlaceonFan1997]

But that doesn't bring in views now, does it?

[@spookypaladin4667]

Amongst all the negativity, I'll bring my personal positive experience with Art Roast videos. They helped me learn to laugh at my own mistakes and not take them as seriously. They encouraged me to try out different styles without worrying too much about fucking something up and mostly to just enjoy the process, results be damned.

[@SpottyLotti]

This is a bit unrelated, but Jackie Droujko has a really good and really helpful critiquing art series that is probably the best one I’ve seen, it give actual good advice, shows how someone can improve and doesn’t make fun if the art. She also does this with character design portfolios (because she is a character designer) and all submissions are from patrons. I really recommend.

[@LittleBarracuda]

Oh yes! I want to add another very good resource - Istebrak. If realism and painting is more so your thing you will want to look at her channel. She does critique hours where she will do a commented walkthrough of fixing sent in art.

[@Della_G]

Yes I agree she such a good influence and is really helpful. Def a good recommendation

[@st4r_eats_molten_plastic]

YESSSS FR!!! I love her sm I’m injecting her art into my bloodstream. /pos

[@Plankoblanko]

@@Your_Mom498 Source? All of the arts ive seen her critiquing are sent to her by people who genuinely wants to improve, In a way how she does it anyway, cause why would they even send it to her in the first place if thats not the case? Jackie is a great artist bro, stop spreading made up rumors, specially without evidence.

[@merusotajio2222]

​@@Your_Mom498like YOU are a saint who did nothing bad in your entire existence since birth lol Sorry to stop you but looking down at people from your throne is just as problematic

[@valerie_944]

imo samdoesarts and Love2DrawManga actually do help. Of course sam roasts them a little bit but he still does help them, but people like kooleen she doesnt even give helpful advice in my opinion she only roasts them instead of giving them at least some nice criticism or criticism to help them be better at art. This is just my opinion though and i do feel like if u dont wanna get roasted/have ur art critiqued then dont submit your art. But thats just my opinion and all.

[@tez9031]

The "here's how to fix your art to make it look more like MY art" thing is soooo real! It's a pet peeve when I come across content that reviews other's art "to help them improve". I'm a small streamer with an open inbox to review your art, but I communicate with the artists that send in and try to help them get closer to their own goals, with their own style.

[@okanimation68]

*ahem* Kolleen *ahem*

[@Mialikesthings]

@@okanimation68Most of the people who sent her art thank her for it though and she does not really draw the art he roasts unless she wants to show the advice she gives. It’s not like these people are not giving her art for serious criticism.

[@Ana36377]

I completely agree. As someone who (used to and actually still kinda) cannot tell the difference between what’s “just a joke” and what’s actually helpful advice, I don’t like art roasts either. The trend of bullying young/begin artists really needs to stop because if they’re demotivated at art, well, they’re not going to improve any time soon. It also depends on whether or not they want feedback in the first place or how harshly they want to be critiqued. For example, if I want someone to critique my art (mainly for anatomy, colour theory and lighting), I want it to be either: 1) Gentle, kind and helpful. Constructive criticism that actually helps improve that I want to do (mainly this is for stylisation and other more subjective purposes) or 2) As harshly as possible, BUT EVERY SINGLE LINE NEEDS TO BE HELPFUL. This is mainly for fundamentals like anatomy, perspective, colour theory and lighting. Don’t tell me “my hands suck” because I already know my hands/shoes/inorganic objects/the human torso suck. Redirect it to art courses or ways I can fix it. Tell me what to do. I’d rather be slapped at with the truth than figure out what they’re going to say because I can’t read their emotions and I’ll end up ignoring that advice wondering if they’re being condescending or not. So if someone’s way of being genuine is to be harsh and not being gentle, I’ll take it. I know it’s helpful advice. It also helps to ask what kind of advice they want? Artist I admire Meppity made some mistakes in critiquing art before (and it was portrayed as a critique and it was of a pro animator). Granted, that first video was… badly made and many things that could be worded better but she has since released a video on HOW to give critique to someone without roasting or making fun of them. She acknowledged and admitted to her past mistakes so I know she’s grown from them. Her advice on how to give constructive criticism is also very helpful for me to word out my critiques to my friends who don’t want/like my super harsh and honest way of critique (I mostly critique writing since I actually go to school for that but I also do a little art critiques as well - but I’d rather they go to someone qualified instead of someone who’s self taught lol). I also want to shoutout Jackie Droujko and Watercolour by Shibasaki for art critiques DONE RIGHT. Both are gentle with how they critique work, give advice on how to improve and show methods how. Jackie Droujko I believe is a character designer so she mostly does characters while Shibasaki Sensei is an impressionist watercolour artist. Granted Shibasaki Sensei does sometimes critique overly realistic styles as “overly realistic” since… he’s an impressionist painter (and also an old man) but he does it in a way that’s respectful enough that it’s like he’s saying “While this isn’t my cup of tea for a painting, I do appreciate it and I can see how other people would enjoy this style, so I can respect that. Here is how I would draw it in my style - feel free to stick around if you think it will be helpful!” (That’s not what he actually says but the vibe I get from it though). Still, I find both these artists doing critiques without bullying beginners very refreshing and recommend checking both their channels out

[@solxviii]

fyodor's dogshanka is so perfect omg 😭 i love that you've been drawing bsd characters recently

[@MisF1998]

I knew it it Fyodor. I thought it's not him since I think he wouldn't be into cute stuff. But knowing him, deceiving is his thing so this might work.

[@kayisconfused_]

I know he’s already been mentioned on this channel, but I love Naoki Saito’s art correction videos! He doesn’t just redraw the art in his old style, he actually edits the submitted art itself, and always makes sure to sprinkle in praise. He also clarifies when he changes something due to his own personal preference, and not due to it being a flaw :)

[@IAARPOTI]

I think it depends on the one who roasts the art. Depending on them, it can be good or bad. However, it still creates negativity too. We should acknowledge it and demand these roasters in a polite manner.

[@salmonanimates4469]

I don't think there's an issue with it if people want their art "roasted", some people think it's funny. There are other places to go if you want your art genuinely critiqued.

[@nonyabusiness3619]

Yeah. I don't see what the problem is if people are consenting to it.

[@aoi_lovesart]

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[@hangezoe3828]

The only art roast content I generally watch is SamDoesArt I believe that the people submitting the art knows what is coming to them, plus, he does give good advice :’)

[@sunnihikki]

girl be risking her life in every single video 😭🙏

[@Retroxepoch]

i get what you're saying but they're literally asking to get roasted. like, what else do you expect. and yeah, sure, you can say that it's mean but they're looking for it. they can't complain.

[@tcreator4914]

The first video you showed in your examples, from SamDoesArt, his videos are actually very constructive, i was afraid of them at first but he gives excelent tips, he's a little salty sometimes but his advice is actually constructive and very helpful!

[@cannonsword1]

I don't like it when anything about art is talked about like objective fact. like thumbnail that says "you are drawing this WRONG". something about it feels so dishonest because art isn't really an objective thing. roasting videos definitely falls in that category for me.

[@xian1978]

I think that people are so desperate for attention that they participate in this roasts just to be chosen by their favorite creator, independent of the context of why they're chosen. I saw one from SamDoesArt for example and every time he chose someone who draw a male was to either say "No" and just continue with the next one, or saying "Why?" if the drawing was too sexy or something like that. I get it, YOU DON'T DRAW MEN.... for some strange reason.... but he could still give advise to the people who did draw men, but no....

[@rubyred6608760]

I don’t have a problem if they are genuinely criticizing the work, but it can easily turn into bullying when taken too far.

[@she_bear_aurora]

@@SplicedBeast That’s rich coming from someone who’s posted 100+ comments on this channel desperately trying to ruffle people’s feathers. Seems like you care a little too much about what other people think. Please get a better hobby.

[@deadscree]

In my opinion I don’t see any thing wrong with these videos as long as they roast people who are ok with it, people like koolen can be a bit harsh with there criticism but some people prefer that, I can understand that people might not like it but you should know what your getting into watching roasting videos

[@PuppyRia]

I agree, and people who are in those roast videos are people who want their art to be roasted so I think It's fine as long as the person in the videos is fine with it!

[@aoi_lovesart]

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[@rubymoon72]

There is one KZbinr that art roast I love is Jackie Droujko, as her art roast can really help you to land a job in the industry than some of the less helpful art roast.

[@Keni2431]

Kooleen is a clout chaser she even claims it on her tag sam idk about much about him I’d would say he’s more nice If I remember correctly

[@Sakadayumi]

The funniest things is these self-claimed art professional people(especially Kooleen) are roast every art beginner drew "ugly" people but they cant roast professional art artist/designer where they have drew a great art

[@Retroxepoch]

when did kooleen claimed that she was a professional artist?

[@Otomophobia]

What do you expect from someone who had a history of calling black features "gorilla lookin mf"? Of course kooleen says that kinda shit towards other artists who Don't draw like her

[@someonespoopy8269]

As someone who is a student for art (fine arts specifically) I cringe so hard seeing all of these art critique videos. In some cases it’s so clear that the artist is self taught which isn’t bad but it can render them useless of the proper critique you receive and give in a more professional setting. I’ve been thinking about giving out willing critique as I’ve been doing art classes my whole life and I think I have some worthwhile advice but jeez does the clickbait tick me off lol TikTok is a mess as well bleh Great vid as always x

[@lovelysakurapetalsyt]

Yeah, there's a reason I don't give critiques unless someone asks, but I always tell them that my style isn't theirs, so what I do may not work, because I taught myself how to draw

[@apolloandwarrior_3229]

My latest piece reminded me of why critique is nessecary because I forgot to illustrate a finger on the left hand lol. But that's where it gets scary cause nowadays people see the hands in people's art and will call it Ai if it has even the slightest mistakes.

[@YourWaywardDestiny]

For some people, I can see how critique delivered as a "joke" might be preferred. With or without the existence of art roast videos, there has been a problem on the internet where newer artists, and people without a strong grasp of the newest art style trend get comments that are less than helpful or positive. The art roast might not be helping that phenomenon in the slightest, but that has been going strong just about anywhere people post art since forever. If one is to accept it as inevitable, hearing it as a joke instead of open, very intended maliciousness would be much easier to digest, and once an artist might have moved on from the skill set being mocked in the video, the "at least I'm not that guy" sets in. They'll still get ridiculed, maybe, they might still be a novice, but they're not making _that_ mistake anymore. There's a comfort in being able to identify the out crowd, even if you're not a part of the in crowd, you can be a nobody to escape it. Also, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, cringe is an empathy response. Empathy is _uncomfortable_ no matter how you spin it as a positive trait. We don't have the cringe reaction without understanding that someone has preformed something out of social expectations, we do not feel cringe without having known what it's like to misstep socially. It would never happen without knowing it feels bad and embarrassing. Without the tools to process empathy fully, people will shut it down, they will stop at "ick" and smother the deeper bubble of seeing themselves in that cringe thing in any way they can. The easiest way to stop being uncomfortable is to make light of it. So they start to associate cringe with humor. It feels good to laugh after a bad experience. The people watching these videos crave that low-high cycle.

[@Milos_spac3]

I love your content a lot and I think it can be extremely helpful at times and funny too! Honestly it seems to have become a trend to be at samdoesarts neck even though he isn't that bad? He has also constantly been trying to improve. I have been watching his content for a LONG time and it makes me kinda sad when people don't know the majority of his jokes/inside jokes with his viewers. It's totally okay for you or anyone else not to like his content! Many people have bad batches of content that are not very "kind" I'll say but specifically recently he has improved with his diversity of characters and attitude towards others. I believe people also don't realize that he indeed put in the work before his style change, he is a very skilled artist. He has lots to learn about how to treat art/other people, as do we all. I am in no way saying he is a god or that he has made no mistakes but it's a pretty far fetch for people to say all these extremely negative things about him. Honestly, at the end of the day he is also trying to make profit from his art, like many of us are, there's a lot to learn in the marketing journey of that. I hope people can calm down a little from hating on him so much to see through the online persona a little bit.

[@Weirdo-y7s]

I love Sam. I think he does it in a decently respectful way. Kooleen, however, just bashes the art.

[@sharaheartsixx]

As much as I'm obviously not a fan of these in terms of the culture of younger artists specifically being subjected to this type of harmful criticism/roasting mentality, as it takes away from the fun of just creating regardless of how far you are in your art journey. That being said I watch some Art Roast videos I don't mind the ones that viewers willingly submit their works to. The whole point of a roast is to insult whether it's smart or not. I don't like when Roast videos are considered critiques or educational in anyway. Unless, like some videos they actually do both. Outside of art, a Roast is to insult and make jokes at the expense of the person being roasted the jokes and things that are pointed at arent supposed to be taken seriously and thats okay.

[@oodlesofdoodles3302]

Totally agree. Though some jokes can be funny and I don’t think making a few quips is bad, those videos get stale very quickly. I much prefer the videos where viewers submit art to be redrawn in places, and shown exactly what can make their art better with just a few tweaks! (Esp when it’s genuine and kind criticism) I personally find them super entertaining because it helps me with my art too lol

[@mundoatena1674]

There are very few art critique videos I watch and it's always by someone who's actually giving tips and being kind (like giving advice about how to map faces, point out how to better work with perspective, etc.). There are very few channels that do this, most instead do the 'roast', so I don't watch many critique videos at all.

[@catcactus1234]

I appreciate the more nuanced and in-depth discussion on this topic you’re providing here, but personally I find myself disagreeing with your overall point that these videos are unhealthy for the art community. I’m just a rando artist who’s interested in furthering the discussion so please don’t interpret this as hate or anything. For one, it seems like you absolve these videos of being an issue after every point you make. E.g. you acknowledge that these videos are transparent in being edutainment, get consent from artists before using their art in videos, and are not responsible for how other people use their content to justify their own terrible behavior (like giving unsolicited critique). I’m left wondering what exactly the issue is at this point. It seems one point you make is that these videos might not clearly represent an actual “critique” in their videos which might be misleading, but I’d appreciate having some examples to represent these issues because most videos I’ve seen are decently clear about their critiques being unserious in favor of being more entertaining. If the argument boils down to people misunderstanding the exaggerated reactions in these videos as legitimate criticism, I think it’s fair to say there’s a line where it becomes the viewer’s responsibility to use their common sense in that scenario. Of course creators should do their best to acknowledge the intent of their video, and generally most creators I’ve seen meet that threshold. They include disclaimers (usually towards the end) and purposely exaggerate their reactions to a comedic degree to implicitly show how they don’t actually think the artwork is truly trash. If someone is unable to determine if their reactions are comedic or not and uses it as justification for their own bad behavior, it falls on the viewer’s poor observational skills, not the creator. With the points surrounding creators not critiquing more advanced art or not providing adequate criticism for advanced art, I think the issue is two fold and doesn’t necessarily indicate any malice on the creator’s part: 1) most art channels tend to have more of an inexperienced audience. This means more submissions will come from inexperienced artists. 2) Advanced artists might be less likely to submit their artwork since they’re aware the content is more entertainment-focused. Even when an advanced artwork is critiqued, I think it’s a bit unfair to say these creators are unable to critique it properly without some evidence outside the Kooleen situation. SamDoesArts typically does provide good critiques for semi-advanced artwork. He focuses a bit more on rendering and smaller anatomy mistakes from what I’ve seen, which is still useful. I agree they should do a better job of explaining their “fixes” though. However this is an issue that affects most artists giving short “tips and tricks” style videos. It’s borderline impossible to provide in-depth advice when you’re limited to a few minutes or less of focus on an art piece. It comes down to asking them to sacrifice potential revenue and viewership which is a hard sell (but I do agree is more ethical, it’s just not realistic for people making videos as a career.) From my understanding, you argue the main issue with these videos is that it _could_ promote bullying culture, but I personally disagree that we should shun certain types of videos because bad actors might take away the wrong message from them. This can happen with pretty much any medium, and I don’t believe creators should be punished for their viewer’s actions. But I respect the points you brought up and I’m still glad you made this video to raise awareness on how bullying via unsolicited art critiques is still an issue in the art community.

[@bubblegumblue5304]

I get your point with how people are masking hate with criticism to get away with being dicks. THough the KZbinrs(popular ones) who do it are pretty well meaning. I remember watching kooleen, samdoesart, and then becker when i was just beginning to take art seriously. I'm self taught and do better when someone's force feeding me information so at the time it helped seeing other people who were on the same level as me getting advise on how to improve. I'm in my 20s so i could tell that the "roasting" were just the KZbinrs being entertaining while trying. togive notes. As I've progressed i stopped watching their videos a while back when i advanced since the content didn't really help anymore and the repetitive nature of their channels. Tho at the end of the day most people on those channels want to be there, they'll look back on it and cringe later in life but in the moment they want to be "roasted"

[@carre04]

Yeah even though the videos are “roasts” they’re not even funny ones. Honestly what made me step away from then was Kooleen teaching that horrible art rule and when she full on erased that one characters acne. As for Sam, I don’t find him funny and he has heavy same face syndrome so what’s to learn?

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

Im glad art roatings gotten better than when SolarSands was making his Browsing DeviantArt series- the amount of friends I had on DA who left specifically because they were scared of being in one of his videos 😔

[@donbomBL]

the problem of such content is partly in the people themselves, who continue to go to the author for "criticism" I'm not sure they're even really interested in correcting mistakes and getting better, but rather it's just "oh, this big man paid attention to me and everyone saw it." This is also a tendency to fanaticism from one author, who most often has a simple, pleasant style for most, and so they decide to go for "advice" to this person, who will give a maximum of a minute to explain your mistakes, instead of going to a three-hour lecture on KZbin from a person who really knows a lot more and can teach The answer is very simple - these people have never been interested in personal progress, at least most of them

[@reiya8481]

if you want genuine advice and criticism then youtube roast videos arent the place to go to. Sure, the creators might give a few lighting or anatomy tips, but nothing much to help you improve. A lot of these roast videos are just a 'drawing your art in my style' and this goes out especially to the creators with terribly obvious same face syndrome like samdoesart and kooleen. Sometimes they will just change the drawings to fit their standards and get rid of important features within the drawings or the uniqueness of it, leaving your art with a boring and copy-pasted look like all their other drawings.

[@tinyginger]

It should never be ok to roast someone’s art, unless they want it in order to gain a following. We don’t know how other artists reach their abilities and drawing experience, and they might be self-conscience. For every negative, there needs to be positive reinforcement. Even if you want to be roasted, it needs to be respectful. It kind of makes the artist doing the roasts, look like a Narcissist.

[@flimsyflame1251]

Actually, I think that there were some studies done that show that for every negative experience, it takes three positive ones to balance out the bad feelings. (Don’t quote me in that I’ll try to find the study)

[@flimsyflame1251]

But you point totally still stands

[@Light_Dies_07]

read this and thought of Winged Canvas. They do "art roasts" sometimes, but they only roast art submitted by people who were able to choose if they get harsh critique or not (on their art submission form you're required to choose whether the person critiquing you can poke fun at your art or whether they should be nice). I wish people like Sam Does Arts and Kooleen did what WC does, because even when WC is being "harsh", they still give great and professional-sounding advice that they can elaborate on.

[@Mialikesthings]

@@Light_Dies_07That is exactly what Samdoesart does though…

[@Horror_ArtIsGood]

I'd say a person who critiques someones art in a kind way is Love2DrawManga. She doesn't laugh and say rude things about a beginners art and actually gives useful tips right away in a respectable tone, unlike Kooleen, who just jokes for most of the time. Thank you for addressing this problem.

[@UwU-eg9ny]

i love how you share both sides of the argument in your videos, it is something i really appreciate in videos with people sharing their opinions. even if i see a video i don’t necessarily agree with, i still enjoy watching them. keep doing what you do and have a great day!

[@thepuzzlemaster64]

Why do I get the feeling like I was super lucky when I was learning art. Haven't heard about any of these types of videos before on both KZbin and Twitter, and all my art that I posted on Twitter didn't receive a lick of critique even to this day. Keep in mind that in the first year I took art seriously I posted something new every day for a year straight, and throughout all of it I only received one or two "That's cool" comments. Honestly not sure what's worse. Receiving only harsh negative criticism, or receiving no criticism. Because there were many times were I felt extremely demotivated after posting some art I spent a month of hard work getting it to look right, only for it to get barely any views and 0 comments. Only reason why I still keep going is that I like seeing myself progress and get better with my art, but man there's nothing worse then getting the feeling that you're going nowhere.

[@blue_berry18]

with samdoesart, he does get people who genuinely want to be critiqued on his discord. They do understand what they are doing putting it in and I think he does it in a more respectful way than other artists

[@chocolaissleeping]

The only art critic/fixer I really respect and go into depth and treating their audience with reapect is Naoki Saito. He never once make fun of the art and provides tips and tricks based on the piece he's fixing