Greatsword LOSES Top DPS Spot! Weapon DPS Ranking Tier List For New World Fellowship & Fire Update!

[@Qroxta]

Good stuff. Thanks for all the testing done and for that disclaimer at the end. A video (-series?) about PvE Dungeon Compositions would be cool, taking into account tank-styles, rend/weaken/CC, trash-grouping strategies, etc.

[@harrynazarian3184]

I love your videos, Duke. Absolutely brilliant. Bravo! I think another great video to make would be the proper DPS rotation for SnS, Rapier, Spear (LA), and WH (LA). I don't DPS much in dungeons, aside from healing or tanking. I have DPS ward sets, but I would like to know what I am doing as DPS to maximize my effectiveness. Cheers!

[@numenorean6408]

As a rapier main since closed beta, this video does put a smile on my face.

[@FusionThunder]

Damn such a great test! Some really big brain calculations as well

[@APrismaticFox]

Honestly the only thing that pushed Rapier up was the changes to Flurry, give it the ability to stack up Bleed too. This allows the Rapier to Have an exceptionally quick and strong burst combo, that combined with passives and other perks, can be very insane in the right hands. The Bleed Rapier has pretty much always been this way. The additional of another bleed source just amped its potential up quite a bit by increasing the speed at which you cna get that burst of damage out. I know previously you had to do this whole fancy rotation to get to that fairly quickly, with or without additional CDR perks. Now it's been simplfired to one basic rotation really.

[@jamescrook9600]

Man this is probably one of the best videos I've seen on dps ever so far. I will definitely try some new builds now especially rapier.

[@hozebeast1]

You nailed it when said you can’t do DPS when you’re on the floor

[@jahloveinfla]

since only one runeglass dot can be ticking on a mob at a time wouldn't it be better for most classes to go with Sight or Punishing instead of an elemental runeglass? that way you get the flat 5-8% dmg increase without having to worry about losing your dot dps

[@Mr.Nubtastic]

Started playing with the spear on my fresh start toon a few days ago. I thought it felt like higher dps than I was expecting. Good to know it wasn't all in my head!

[@heartless_gamer]

Spear has always been good to be honest. It was my main PvE weapon long before this update.

[@Han_AK]

Great Video with alot of Data, eventhough i play healer in PvE i still enjoy to watch info videos and tell my friends about it and the changes, keep uploading amazing New World Content with such information other players might not even know about :D

[@drho0n588]

Great stuff and good presentation. Very interesting to see. As a hatchet user from launch I am a bit sad! A video rating group composition from S+ to D would be good. The best is always interesting but figuring out builds for maximum utility I think would be useful for a lot of players. I've been pugging a bunch of standard forge runs as DPS or tank and there is a very wide range of ability and gearsets out there. There is not much of a difference for individual players in their gearsets if everyone is working together. What is the maximum utility DPS build? (Probs spear based, plus GA or GS for CC effects or even hatchet if healing suspect)

[@zzzJOEB]

Everyone also remember you have to take the mutation into consideration. The rapier is terrible when its void. Because of the silences. It completely stops all your major DPS

[@muttface83]

and also any mana based build feels brutal on mage hunter :(

[@GaToLP]

Weapon Perks in Ice Gauntlet as Secondary weapon? Bane/Vicious and?

[@strymongr]

Can you give us the detailed attribute points for each weapon build and are your measurements with light armor?

[@tineedancr1063]

Blaming you when they nerf the rapier. Kekw

[@DukeSloth]

Honestly, with how much better it is, I think that would only be fair. I just hope they find a way to nerf bleed builds for pve without affecting pvp.

[@NeonLine]

​@@DukeSloth they just need to nerf Rapier bleeds

[@Billman8686]

If only one person can run it why would you nerf it? I get it's great! But just for one.

[@daojing7651]

Amazing! Thank you! Hope we get an ingame dps meter soon.

[@Nzchimeran]

Very interesting. So for solo farming what would you suggest? Rapier+Spear light armour?

[@jeffkos342]

Great video! I'm surprised to see Firestaff so far down on the list though 😢

[@rikmik3046]

I gotta start testing weapons out again. This changed my the way of seeing things.

[@SuacoRV]

The fire staff incinerate build is with fireball, pillar and obv incinerate? And do you spam heavy attacks for the reduction or just light attack on single target?

[@n0x699]

Great vid! where can I find all these builds?

[@anthonyminson]

Have you made the video about setups for PVP yet? I play LS VG and am wondering it if would be worth it to run 500 focus but I love void blade and have a VG with attunement, enchanted and keen, with all void runeglasses.

[@scientio3695]

I might be an idiot, but I don't see the builds that you said would be in the description

[@Chuqueleris]

hey duke, what's is a good build for bow pve? can't find :c

[@OneFiveYankee]

Dude you are by far the best NW KZbinr I’ve ever come across. I’ve never had someone earn a sub so fast, thanks for the info!

[@muttface83]

Duke, is there a link to that spreadsheet anywhere?

[@andyloofficial]

Where's the link for build?

[@pwn1army]

@dukesloth can you guys test if the fleche perk with 15% more crit dmg is working? I feels its not, there is no buff nor something after you use it.

[@jackmattciz]

I may have missed it, but do you have a link to the excel file with all the data points? Thx.

[@denkiee2336]

In not playing expeditions so much but what I notice you can’t see dmg done like in arena ? A bit strange I can think, or maybe it’s visible after don’t t know I only play expeditions when I have to for story quest

[@dangeloenglish4284]

So I mainly use greatsword and hea y attacks. But I'll always swap to bot for Explo, Rapid, and Posion arrow combo and go right back to great sword instead of purely heavy attacks g with the great sword. I'd love to k ow how well that rotation does over other builds.

[@npgchef]

Great vid Mr Duke! Chef here!

[@fataltell1288]

Been looking at fs dps a bit and was curious if you guys had 50 dex for the passivd crit chance and a keen awareness ring on as well. As far as I can tell, if you so then vicious is BiS but if not then keen is slight better. I was also curius if you guys tried a pillar and fireball only rotation with heavy attacks

[@ydab8944]

Something wrong in this no? Stab from SNS is thrust which deals more damage to corrupted. How is the corrupted and ancient dps the same? Isn't the combo stab for 30% empower into light chain till empower gone into repeat?

[@kingmuffin5168]

So based off these numbers would you be able to get away with ice gauntlet main and void gauntlet in expeditions cause it seems ice is putting out numbers

[@DukeSloth]

Yeah, definitely. You would be lacking a bit on the aoe side though since much of IG is single target.

[@ajschwartz3924]

Where does the Musket Land on the list? I see that's the only missing weapon

[@Pinscher292]

Where is the musket? I dont see it on the list

[@Slowship271]

Noice can't wait for Rapier vid.

[@mikeswierstra1377]

@DukeSloth Maybe i'm a bit crazy but do 7:35 (Sword & Shield) and 8:03 (Spear Light Attack) work well / go well together? if not what would you combine them with? i think these 2 are my absolute favorites :) and i can't decide between ice gauntlet, hatchet, war hammer or bow to finish my top 3 can u or anyone who reads this shine some light on it please? =D

[@DukeSloth]

Currently, there's not all too much benefit in it, but next patch that's definitely an option! Will make a video about it soonish!

[@ooolllooo54]

Hello What is fnf rapier ? And evade rapier ?

[@Larimuss]

As a noob one thing that seems confusing is the war hammer just festroys enemies like 2x more damage than many weapons. Is this still accurate?

[@justinfcase]

Great video as always mate! I am glad I saved all of my rapiers the past two years!! I can now start planning out my PVE builds this spring!!

[@daikennett]

Great indepth video here!

[@John_Doe1980]

does vicious count twice if its on sword and shield like Bane does ?

[@chaosparticles]

Excellent information, thank you!

[@wingspride4066]

You might be right still i believe greatsword and spear are nice combo to have for any dungeon but GS is still my preference, because it gives u nice debuffs including DOT(bleed) and 50con builds are good to run idd, I personally can't think that rapier is good enough to deal with the dungeon, it might be good for the boss but beside that on the packs of mobs, especially if u have decent grp where u lure 5-6 + mobs at once i'd never see it as a "top dps" GS would out perform it highly.. also u can use gs to root, group mobs etc while rapier is just selfish weapon also if we talk about "DPS" rapier would require consistant dmg to keep up it's "DPS" so it's 3 hits equal 1 hit of GS and in high keys if u run with 5 con it's really hard to maintain consistency p.s. this is personal opinion not an argument of any sort.

[@NeonLine]

yeah greatsword is op

[@tsumm9951]

what if u used gs and rapier would that be good???

[@SzaraktusKaktus]

Woudl it be safe to assume that my STR full heavy gear has become redundant?

[@ferchi4567]

I woulf be interested in the dps of wind chill with the perk on weapon or armor. It actually does pretty high dps if you hit with the last 2meters. I would guess it deals higher dps than ice stormy or spike (in a realistic scenario where you dont perfectly hit the spike each time). Also is there some place to look up the combo used during these tests? I am rather certain that eg war hammer has highest dps if you mix heavy and light attacks rather than just using one or the other.

[@violetziegler]

i think it would be nice to see some 2 weapon rotations like SnS or Hammer with Blunderbuss

[@ferchi4567]

@@violetziegler True. Something like Blunderbuss + Fire Staff would be pretty nice to see as well as they are both a bit lackluster inbetween combos but if you use both together they can fill each others dps lows.

[@jeremyduncan8357]

Nice video but one small correction, you said the bleed rapier doesn't have type advantage but the abilities on the blood side are in fact slash.

[@pjp7586]

Did I just miss this? How were the different bane percentages for ranged vs melee accounted for?

[@DukeSloth]

I'm not sure I understand they question. They were accounted for for each individual weapon.

[@pjp7586]

I was just confused that you didn't list them as perks on the weapons when you showed the full list. Glad to hear bane was used on each weapon for the testing and that the new differences between ranged and melee were accounted for.

[@travy9148]

Nice video! Can someone explain to me what armors are good for endgame 625 worthy gear? There are so many options and it’s very confusing which are the best to invest in. Like I love the way voidbent looks but I don’t know if it’s worth making 625. Any help would be great! Thanks.

[@DukeSloth]

Videos about that coming in the next days!

[@strobic8508]

saw a lot of people say firestaff was op guess they only meant in PVP. really helpful video ty duke 🙏

[@fooojin]

It never was, and still ain't in PvP. Ppl just act like toddlers every time someone else gets it a little better.

[@strobic8508]

@@fooojin I see, cuz when I used fire staff it was kinda underwhelming

[@chalen1466]

its awful in pve and pvp. the ones who cry are the op weapon abusers who want to stay on top

[@ArjKm]

only a very few skilled mages can dominate with fs. Its a mid tier weapon in pvp in most hands. I know because I play it form 1 year and m average.

[@jayallen7368]

what is the spear tree?

[@wheem8542]

I don't see how the Ice Gauntlet is ranking as high as it is, especially against enemies that don't take extra Frost damage. Are the numbers assuming "perfect" Ice Spike aiming/triggering so that the target is eating all 4 hits 100% of the time? If so, I think that's far more unrealistic than any assumptions about other weapons. If not, I'm extremely interested in how the build actually functions. Using the Ice Gauntlet as a competitive primary DPS weapon is really interesting to me, but I just don't see how that's actually the case right now. It's obviously fine as a secondary, as long as you're not using the Pylon in cases where it can pull extra adds and whatnot...and don't mind losing the power of CC/debuffs available to other weapons.

[@ivanfletcher4671]

thanks for the dps update, much appreciated. I ben diggin my spears!

[@dakh2333]

Now we’re just need some build guides for these weapons!

[@DukeSloth]

On it! Will take a while though

[@Akanat0r]

what flabbergasts me is the fact active weapon perks dont stay on you (fortify, empower, etc) when you switch to another weapon....if only...

[@SouLEvansMKP]

What about musket? Is it unusable in PvE?

[@tylerschilling2926]

What about the musket?

[@amadukane597]

Nice vid 👍 Atm pve playing gs + rapier support for bosses Just open with tondo>flurry> flourish finisher and stak tondo again , than use gs onslaught. 50 int enough for bleed. The difference too low so im doin now 130 str 150 dex 50 innt Surprisingly 50 int is + 10,% crit dmg so ... For me that works for the bosses Using rapier with bleed perk. Gs sonic

[@lieu_]

Did you forget about the musket?

[@EmperorGeiseric]

From a PvE perspective the Musket really needs a full redesign.

[@NeonLine]

from a PvP perspective too, hitscan doesnt belong into the game

[@spiritwyrmk8622]

Even that isn't enough. 😂 Honestly the trapper tree needs to go away for good. Traps are garbage. The bomb is ass and it's passives are worse. It should be a contact explosive that is thrown on click, not hold like a grenade. I personally would love to see some combos rather than just point and shoot

[@ViableZeal]

should just be deleted at this point, its crap in PVE, junk in PVP now. Making it good in PVP will just break it and make it an annoying sniper weapon again. Should remove it and replace it with a crossbow or something if they really feel the need for some other kind of OP ranged weapon. no HITSCAN though.

[@NeonLine]

@@ViableZeal its still insane in PVP arena given good aim

[@MrPlumloko]

​@Transsana the hit box is so small that hit scan dosnt mean nothing but yeah it def needs a rework.

[@Kobee333]

So what would be advantage of fnf over evade for pve?

[@spiritwyrmk8622]

Well, rapier is gonna die soon. Now, I wouldn't care if it's just bleeds because I prefer evade rapier, but we all know they'll just neuter rapier as a whole. Bleed needs to be turned down a bit, but the rest needs to be untouched or slightly buffed. Passives like the 8% dmg buff to the little swipes or the dmg buff when below 40 stamina, which barely works because you're usually full

[@zergnub7426]

Thank you for this video. Was very interesting. ASs a brand new player, could you point me in the right direction for a solid pvp build, or someone who knows what they're talking about? There are a million guides, but it's hard as a new player to figure out a trusted source. Thanks again.

[@hydrothiefmusic5833]

Now I'm so Conflicted if I want to keep my greatsword and great axe build or switch to a spear after this info and watching the game play it makes it looks fun

[@MrPlumloko]

I started playing a week ago started as fire staff and blunderbuss and it rocks!

[@FinalSalute]

As a returning player this video is perfect, thank you Would you consider doing a pvp version of this? Looking foward to the Rapier build

[@JamesplontNL]

Well what would pvp look like :D Maybe a good next video which weapon pairings give you the biggest burst ?

[@dustincampbell1992]

To implement a dmg stat at the end of an expedition would be the best thing ever. To just see improvements

[@nickram81]

Yeah but what about the life staff?

[@bluefire9729]

hi u could argue that Rapier FnF has an advantage on the dummy, cuz it has a long time less then 50% HP with FnF perk on gear and i dont really like that Hatchet was tested with Keenly Emp as a 3rd perk xD really wasted perk on Hatchet. But nice video still ty

[@johnlinks]

As always, great content. Thanks for doing this

[@DavidAppleby]

Did you test Cyclone instead of Sweep on spear? Much better AOE damage and gives you stamina for another dodge and a heal.

[@DukeSloth]

In any scenario except solo PvE or immovable bosses (where jav is better), your group will probably hate you for it because knocking enemies away is the last thing you wanna do

[@DavidAppleby]

@@DukeSloth but you just don't take that last perk

[@Nekomegane69]

Musket it's not an option?

[@tadefps]

what's FNF? thx

[@SmartyMcSmartsen]

You are using X-R's testing sheet... His BB testing was under false conditions, he used the wrong abilities to max dps. I have already talked with him about it and he didn't do any further testings to adjust his numbers on the sheet. We only compared our own test results. BB is much higher. He used the bug with claw shot which didnt end up in higher dps than using Netshot and clip abilities into your bullet amps

[@DukeSloth]

I'm very curious how BB could be "much higher" based on switching out an ability that to my knowledge would only provide a very minor damage increase, but I'm also not quite understanding what attack chain you want to use. Since you seem sure that this is the case, feel free to record yourself comboing a dummy in the way that you think will result in this DPS increase until the dummy is completely out of health. Happy to check the results and add a correction if you can provide that. Ideally send me a message on discord or @ me Twitter when you're done, KZbin comment notifications are very inconsistent!

[@SmartyMcSmartsen]

@@DukeSloth Yeah I will send you over the video. Things you have to run are ASB Netshot Splitting Grenades 260STR 250INT (for the passive perk) You need a Thrust Ring with Bloodletting Best perk combination is Bane Enchanted Keenly Empowered Most important part is to clip your abilities into your bullets which lets you attack way faster which then results into higher dps

[@gigian1322]

@@SmartyMcSmartsen and what would you pair the BB with in this scenario ?

[@danl1924]

​@@SmartyMcSmartsen What combination do you run to clip your abilities to your bullets? I assume this works on PvP as well

[@qpsyche9115]

Where's the musket?

[@Google_Censored_Commenter]

I'm a bit sad the FnF tested was with tondo instead of evade, which I am almost certain would be more dps, not only because of the animation cancels, but also because of the busted weapon perk.

[@DreadfulNW]

This 100%. Rapier is mid tier these days in pvp, but in pve, with omni evade on weapon, rapier still owns, no tondo required lol

[@kaleb5926]

@@DreadfulNW you dont even notice tondo use as its canceled by evade. Ez bleed on clumps

[@darkvs3818]

It breaks my heart, i love playing musket and he s not even considered here 😭

[@zzzJOEB]

Amazing video

[@taa347]

It's sad that the firestaff gets nerfed because people whine in pvp and it's already middle-low dps. Good shit, good shit

[@JJo1792]

Guess I'm incinerate + bleed rapier main?

[@AllwaysGamingg]

Welp was going to return because I play fire and ice or fire and void. But ultimately seems like the fire staff is still obsolete unless running Gen lol.

[@perfectbanana4378]

is the void gauntlet is that bad that u did not even consider it as main dps weapon? damn :D

[@DukeSloth]

Hm? It's on the list, just mostly not very high up

[@perfectbanana4378]

@@DukeSloth oh im an idiot VG it is LMAO

[@alex-ul9nb]

Musket?

[@pwn1army]

So bad that rhey didnt change their mind about dps meter. Its so important for a mmo.

[@bellgrand]

VG was shockingly good at DPS until they went ahead and nerfed its 3x5% Old Rend to 3x10% New Rend, which is basically 3 times worse since most bosses and mobs are equivalent to Light to Medium armor...

[@artinotsoparty]

This chart doesnt make much sense without a C tier. The only "big" jump in the lower tier is from Warhammer to Firestaff with ~400dps and after that is a gradual rise by ~200 dps so why is there a jump from D tier to B tier? Fells like its just to dunk on certain weapons.

[@saml.2075]

I play Greatsword and Sword n Shield personally its one of the most fun and effective combos. With heavy armor you can tank and put out top dps great for PvE and also PvP with a good team.

[@kaleb5926]

with a good team the tank should be in light or medium at the most

[@saml.2075]

@@kaleb5926 thats against it nature. But nowadays…😂

[@kaleb5926]

@@saml.2075 Ya even nowadays it's fine. More cc + more weaken helps a lot

[@danl1924]

​@Kaleb Disagree. Light armor tank calls for super precision and other members knowing exactly what to do, doesn't it? How do you do tanking in light armor with a bunch on randos who need to be picked up?

[@kaleb5926]

@@danl1924 I just said with a good team. DAWG READ THE COMMENT 😭

[@Shampoolegend]

waiting for the rapier video

[@williammillet6648]

is musket just so bad it's not even on the list?

[@ASAILESE129]

Is the GS still 620 and required in pvp

[@jond2810]

Where’s the musket tho

[@Eas_the_Planeswalker]

Xr Deserves a cookie 🙂😊

[@bon3s994]

I use ga,gs in corrupted that way my ga i can group mobs and apply bleed, then use my gs to finish them off....

[@PsyNW]

Fire Staff and Greatsword is cheese cuz its retardely easy to do damage.

[@johnweig4667]

Also sword and shield 10% dmg buff is a huge buff. In a own group I run as tank with buff. In a pub? Yeah no. I take full defense haha

[@MrBalrogos]

Hammer Trenchant Strikes + 300str perk 10% to heavy attacks?

[@Tantrix-jm2kz]

is this video still viable ?