Dune Prophecy Episode 3 Breakdown | Recap & Review

[@SameerAli-qw1hn]

According to Cannon, House Harkonnen actually became rich because of Breastplate Strecher Industry funded by Bobby B and Lancel Harkonnen.

[@SirAanonym]

Nick Cannon or Delores Cannon?

[@smittyjjensin558]

I did not even realize father Harkonnen was Robert Baratheon until you made this joke.

[@mr.duanesharpe]

The breastplate stretcher! 😂😂😂 good one.

[@dstripedape978]

"Gods he was strong" 😂😂

[@xBigBean]

Bobby Boucher?

[@selina6408]

This was my favourite episode. Loved the story of young Valya and Tula, and how they went back and forth in time seamlessly.

[@wahn10]

Tula may appear to be softer, but she is just as ruthless as her sister. Kills her enemy's entire family, then makes loves to him and kills him too after showing him what she had done and why. Yikes.

[@thomasjulian6976]

This ep was ice cold. The young actors playing the sisters are fabulous and rival their elder counterparts.

[@laurel1865]

Young Valyas performance was amazing! I was right there with her. I look forward to see the actress in other things

[@MooreFitness007]

That’s a fact!! Brotha these young actresses are amazing , but so are the older versions! High quality acting overall

[@Gigipretty64]

Casting is fantastic for the sisters.

[@KabbalahSherry]

The casting is 😘🤌🏽 **Chef's Kiss**

[@thallus23]

I have a newfound respect for Tula after episode 3 😮

[@MrBobzane]

Right

[@KabbalahSherry]

Yeah she has a quiet strength about her 😏

[@nixielee]

So few episodes. I miss the 22 episode-era, but that would bankrupt HBO

[@maggyfrog]

i wonder if the production value is what made it into just 6 episodes. oh well, so long as the completed result turns out good, that's what matters

[@originalsainthood]

god, can u imagine the price tag for a 22 episode of this series? or house of the dragon? whew-weeee!

[@SuperStella1111]

It wouldn't bankrupt them. Our disappointment bankrolls them.

[@바보Queen]

6 is sacrilege.. not even giving at least 8.. western shows cost so dam much and take too much time

[@Megor_connection101]

Robert Baratheon married to atia 😂

[@laurent4819]

actually robert was her uncle in this show and atia was her mother but i get it

[@denniskristos3800]

@@laurent4819 Considering Polly Walker's previous genre film and TV credits, it was real surprise to see her in such a small role, but PW is no small actor. I wonder if she has a London theatrical connection to Emily Watson, Olivia Williams or both...

[@SuperStella1111]

@@denniskristos3800 It's one of those prestige TV cameos that older British actors do. Judi Dench did them for years. "We need a snooty accent and old-fashioned character actor...how about Polly Walker?" is an amazing career-stage to be in. Smith and Atkins did them too.

[@Gigipretty64]

@@SuperStella1111RIP Smith. She was a true GOAT.

[@voicesofjoi545]

​@@SuperStella1111 I truly love that about the Brit actors. Polly Walker is an amazing actress. "There's no small roles, only small actors." And she proves this, you still feel her talented presence in each scene, even when she's glancing at the main characters in the background.

[@RhapsodyInBlaah]

I enjoyed the first two episodes a lot more after the third.

[@KafkaEsq]

Perhaps it is Dorothea who will be reborn of spice in possession of Lila's body.

[@KabbalahSherry]

Oooh good point, because I think Desmond is a Machine anyway. Either that, or a ghola (sp?) perhaps. 🤔 So a troublemaker being born of spice could absolutely end up meaning Lila/Dorothea! That's a really great call.

[@jamesabernethy7896]

More a general comment than about this show or your video. You have a great channel and have a great way of presenting things. I am just as fascinated by the way you present the shows that I have watched than the ones I haven't.

[@owenywanperoni7939]

It's turning out really good sci-fi I thought this episode was great! Shame there only 3 left even they long episodes

[@SteveSimpson]

So Lila will have been born twice - once by blood and once by spice. And if Dorotea inhabits Lila .....

[@hollycooper7177]

I loved this episode! Especially the ending.

[@dffndjdjd]

My understanding of Frank’s novels is that the mandate of the sisterhood is to ensure the survival of the human race. They do this by many means, from controlling politics and stabilizing the empire but also to create humans able to cause prescience to see the future. Once achieved they would use these people to further their ultimate goal. But Leto II takes this mandate from them.

[@dffndjdjd]

I also always personally believed the sisterhood sought to create someone with enhanced prescience abilities from the beginning. Though the program had many goals in service to the Sisterhood’s mandate I mentioned above, its main breeding goal was to enhance this ability from the beginning. As to how they knew what to breed for, I’ve always believed the sisterhood understood what was physically happening when the guild navigators were trans mutated by spice immersion. The spice allowed them to fully access a human’s inate prescience abilities, think dreams that come true or deja vu, and control them as much as possible. Being they could see the future around themselves for short periods in the future. The sisterhood sought to enhance the potential of these abilities by breeding. To create people able to foresee vast areas of space and time possibilities. Possibly this Lila plot is maybe how they discover what a guild navigator truly is by turning Lila into a transmutant with the spice gas?

[@KentoLeoDragon]

It was all about control of humanity. Every faction in the books was all about control and power, except maybe the Spacing Guild which was content to maintain the status quo, but they were still all about power. Paul and then Leto were out to break that pattern and free humanity from control.

[@raptorhacker599]

Umm no that's what the dumb sisters would make people believe about them. They are clearly a bunch of psycho narcissist whores.

[@dffndjdjd]

@@KentoLeoDragon if that were true then there would have been power struggles. Kind of ironic you mention the two people who broke the status quo and took… power. To each their own. People get different things from books depending on their own identities and experiences. I think Dune is much deeper than your superficial perspective. Just my opinion

[@KentoLeoDragon]

@@dffndjdjd "... there would have been power struggles." Um...

[@thexfile.]

Notice none of them is wearing whale fur to keep warm. 😄

[@maggyfrog]

they're saving it for trade. that's how poor they've gotten

[@laurel1865]

Subscribed. Good eye. Great analysis.

[@gussygoro2469]

The show should’ve hired this channel, paying in advance.

[@Lance37a]

I love both of them being ruthless.

[@MAYK1NG]

I literally missed so much of what was apparently the storytelling. For those of us who haven’t read the books, your videos are not just enrichment but kind of compulsory now.

[@Mecca4BA]

I’ve been following Pete Peppers since I started watching For All Mankind…. I love the way he clears up all of the details. He does the same for a few different shows.

[@criticboard7621]

I hated the flash backs took up the whole episode. But it’s getting great

[@riccarrasquilla379]

thanks for the video

[@joek81981]

I keep thinking about perspectives in time. Like, from Tula's point, she's getting sweet revenge for being wronged. But if you ask whatever is left of any Atreides what tf just happened, they'd say - at best some weird girl just wiped everyone out, and that THEY were wronged for no reason. It wouldn't be clear who she was when folks down the line are telling the tale of the worst bull hunt ever. And if they did put it all together whodunnit with truthsayers, the Atreides will want revenge for the revenge from the revenge which was just revenged. Neither one has any idea the other guys think they're totally outta line.

[@Angl0sax0nknight]

10,000 years is more time than that has elapsed from the great Egyptian empire to today. How is it that the surnames have survived unchanged? I could see 1000 years but not 10,000 years.

[@jake_edinburgh]

In my head canon I just regard it as a different counting system..... because 10,000 years is just too much time

[@tevin-joeljoseph7104]

I would argue that you can't compare these two storylines on equal terms. For example, Dune Prophecy is set 10.000+ years in our future, meaning, if you go back far enough, it would be able to draw a straight line back to Earth and us, even if that has been made difficult by banning thinking machines. And who says all surnames have survived. Atreides and Harkonnen are royal names, such would be very very very, difficult to erase, not precisely the same, but how many kings named Edward, George and Elisabeth, have there not been? You could argue, reusing these names in the lineage of those who would later rule, is a form of passing down, that just because they haven't been around in 10.000 years, still don't have the potential. And remember for much of those 10.000 years, we didn't document and write down things, like we have the last, lets say 500 years, unless you were royalty or exceptionel person.

[@Angl0sax0nknight]

@ okay concede that point. But if we look through history a family line is very difficult to ensure. Look back at the House of Plantagenet (English monarchy), it was stable for about 300 years until the House of Tudor took over. While I know it’s fictional, it just seems that 10 millennia is a extraordinary long time for any society or family to continue to exist.

[@eds1942]

It is a culturally stagnant society. They have a stable governing and economic system. And the ruling caste doesn’t want to disrupt the system that largely insulates them from the masses. And there are no outsiders.

[@logan-v6y]

you are ignoring the fact its in our future though, we keep records like crazy. Most countries have records dating back hundreds and hundreds of years with things like censuses, marriage records, church records etc. that doesnt include royal families that go back further than that because they only married other royals so their record keeping is even better. In regard to "House of Plantagenet (English monarchy), it was stable for about 300 years until the House of Tudor took over." The Tutors took power because of some VERY savvy political maneuvering by Lady Margaret Beaufort. That situation occurred because of a civil war *within the junior houses of Plantagenets*. The Tudor family could trace their name back to around 1250-1300, if they had any living patrilineal decedents today. The Saxe-Coburg and Gotha family (re-named Windsor because of relations with Germany at the time) can trace their name back to 1450.... Like I would agree that one ruling family (corrino) for 10,000 is absolutely bat shit crazy but record keeping is and always has been important ESPECIALLY for royal families, they loveeeeeeeeee that.

[@LexUniverse]

could that surviving kid be Desmond? i can't see a reason to show he survived unless he is someone in the present time

[@maggyfrog]

he could be kieran's dad

[@dstripedape978]

Age would be closer than the sword master IMO

[@maciedixon3983]

It’s cause we need atreides in the future so some have to survive. We need Paul

[@LexUniverse]

@@maciedixon3983 well no, Vorian had a lot (really A LOT) of children... so the Atreides line is secure... :)

[@dffndjdjd]

No but Tula could be pregnant with him. That’s my theory. Explains a lot

[@JuanGui_The3d]

Isn't it contraintuitive that, considering the original book precisely warned that prophecies were seeded stories to manipulate people, this show focuses in some sort of prophecy?

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

what a story! holly moly

[@D3athW1ng]

The match server never looked this cool

[@Neos1heOne]

3 more to go Pete! 😱

[@FernalAnthony]

Please review Interior Chinatown :)

[@dffndjdjd]

I still like my Desmond is Tula’s son theory. Now I think he’s also half Atreides. Before I was pretty sure he was a wild RM/KH driven by revenge on the sisterhood and his mother for his upbringing. I also suspected he was possessed. As you mention, we know training as well as genetics is required to survive the agony. So we could compare his exposure to spice essence to the way Alia became a reverend mother. And that he’s also equally vulnerable to possession. As for the identity of that ego, if it even matters, and their motivations I suspected it was someone related to the “machine allies” mentioned in the first episode exposition dump. That would explain some of the ominous sounds as well as the burning ability being nanites or something. But now with the Atreides angle perhaps it’s Vorian’s Cymek father, Agamemnon. Remember when Aria is being tormented by other memories he’s one of the louder voices who demands to be heard. I feel like this theory fits all the pieces of plot framework as well as foreshadowing and even the prophecy. But now with the Lila angle I am not so sure. Perhaps she is a red herring, used mainly to show the audience the nature of the breeding program being managed by a machine intelligence relic. That does explain why the other sister Valya killed was so dead set on destroying it.

[@dffndjdjd]

I think the Lila plot is a red herring with regards to the prophecy. But I just realized where that plot may be going. People always wondered how the sisterhood knew to breed for someone who could have greater control of prescience. I had always assumed the navigators were there clue that more potential and ability could be gleaned, and without the spice gas, by careful breeding. Compare it to how wheat can be easily threshed compared to its wild variant. Once humans realized some grain was easier to thresh, they purposefully bred those strains until we got grain that would easily by threshed. The same can be said for most domesticated traits. But the guild navigators, what they are, and how they are created is a secret perhaps even the sisterhood could not glean. So maybe Lila is that clue. She mutates into a navigator with the spice gas we saw, and demonstrates some localized prescience abilities. Combine this with Desmond being able to see the male line in the other plot line, and you have a recipe for the Kwisatz Haderach, the focus of the breeding program.

[@marknovak6498]

Furr seals are not deep divers like whales as the fur in water depends on air bubbles to insulate in water. I guess the fur has some hydrological properties in water independent from the isolation that makes the fur valuable.

[@Playmaur]

I am a bit surprised that the fact that the sisterhood started with truthsayer sorceresses in planet Rossak is getting ignored... I would have loved at least to see references to Zufa Cenfa, the first sorceress, and her descendants.

[@bretweeks2997]

First episode had me a bit worried but after 2 & 3 I have faith now.

[@acerock013]

i really liked this episode. i agree with abu from Gom Jabbar that this episode should have been the second episode so when you see Desmond Hart resist Valya in episode 2 the impact would be that much more. But man, episode 3 got really dark and i really loved it. i love that they are also chopping and changing Brian Herbert's books and jettisoning the stuff about Vorian which, honestly, you're not missing anything.

[@jucxox]

Best episode. Love it. ❤

[@25jessieg]

Lila died by "blood" when Dorotea killed her after she took the poison. And if she's revived by the spice in the machine, she will have been reborn by spice.

[@mjinba07]

The wale fur thing threw me, too, at least the way the show portrays it. A water creature having long fur is really stupid, unlike something like seal fur - which is short, sleek and thick. Actually, it looks like there's a bit of stupid in this series - things that don't add up. Valya ignoring Desmond Hart's remarkable abilities would make her a seriously flawed Mother Superior, and that would have shown in her position and her relationships with the Reverend Mothers and the acolytes. Tula's secret preservation of Lila would never work in a communal setting - there would be questions about why no disposal of the body after everyone said their goodbyes. If Lila were to show up alive at some point, it would be a major, major betrayal of the sisterhood, which they all pledge themselves to. Nor would there be a general cluelessness in the community about a secret entrance to a secret chamber just off a plaza where people are walking through frequently. In fact, in a small community there are precious few secrets, period. Young Valya's sharing her secret voice with her friends would have spread like wildfire. This is not only how communities work, it's how young women work. There are other examples, my point isn't to count them all up but the writing has me feeling ambivalent about the show. I might get fed up at some point and quit watching. Have to see how these non-sequiturs are handled and whether they're just early errors or they reflect a consistent level of stupid that's so common with sci-fi.

[@yehezru]

Wait, Dune has a TV series? And now is ongoing??

[@alexandrasandu3947]

1:47 😂😂😂

[@rinehardt6837]

This show was so good I knew I've seen the Reverend mother Cathy Tyson has been in a ton of things. And since they put her in all that heavy makeup to make her look older I hope we get more flashbacks with her..

[@chrismeandyou]

Some things are illogical in the flashbacks, but still enjoying the show.

[@Freerider93]

Is Lila the one born twice?

[@brandonreed09]

Totally possible. It would be a nice twist.

[@dffndjdjd]

It could be but I think it’s a red herring. I think her plot line ends in her becoming a navigator equivalent and showing enhanced prescience abilities. This reveals the secret the guide has hidden to the sisterhood and a target for their breeding program to enhance these abilities. You combine this with the male reverned mother Desmond angle and you have a template for the Kwisatz Haderach

[@tensixtag9265]

So ynez is how old. Sword guy is way older. Pedie most. I mean is she really going to be trained to be a truth seer at 18 or 25. We see that all the sisterhood is children. Same thing with tula sex scene in ep3. Tula was 16 at most. Why am I the only 1 that noticed this

[@guyinc0gnito]

Question for any Dune experts out there-I thought only the leader of the Bene Gesserit did the water of life ritual to become a Reverend Mother, why did Valya and Dorotea both have to take it? To see who survived?

[@PetePeppers1]

All the reverend mothers do it to unlock their other memory. They're still using the Rossak poison instead of the Water of Life which is somewhat more dangerous. At this time, no one but Raquella has survived it, and she's looking for someone to take over after she passes away. She's testing them, but more to see if she can trust them with her legacy than to see which one will survive.

[@gmonorail]

@@guyinc0gnito jessica in villeneuve dune part 1 (as well as frank herbert book) took the water of life and became a reverend mother while gaius helen mohiam was still mother superior. only someone from the group of reverend mothers may become mother superior because access to ancestral memories profoundly changes an acolyte.

[@DerrickBradley-k1c]

You said that Harrow is the cousin of Valya and Tula but he asked how is Aunt Tula.

[@YupertDoober]

Did they have an older brother or is he calling them Aunts more as a formality?

[@daenerystargaryen6302]

I don't love the way they are portraying the Atreides clan.

[@Cd.913]

This episode felt like an old nonscifi movie

[@bennygerow]

I was actually pretty bored for some of this episode. The payoff was worth it though.

[@aidieltaufik9954]

Thats why revenge is bad the harkonen and atreideis history will tell10 000 year bruhh

[@johncnorris]

I was wondering while watching this episode whether Paul or his mother and sister had a prominent encounter with Valya during their "agony" experience. Technically, Lady Jessica and Alia may not have a female lineage back to her but Paul wouldn't require that. If he did I would bet the look on her face would be akin to the last one she had when she was with Desmond.

[@ManishGupta-kl5ce]

Why does it feels so satisfying to imagine 🙂‍↕

[@stateazure]

Ep. 3 'A Game of Thrones' was pretty dull. I don't mind the flashbacks, but they needed to aggressively edit them down and improve the overall pacing. Also, am I the only one that feels like most of the bene gesserit seem too normal? The acolytes especially, they just seems like normal girls at a girl school..it just doesn't feel like we're in the Dune universe most of the time. I just think the actors needed much better directing and writing.

[@mjisurdad]

They are just normal girls. At this point no one else in the BG uses the voice. So they are mostly just truth sayers.

[@stateazure]

@@mjisurdad 'They are just normal girls' that's precisely the problem. This is the mysterious, powerful and weird Bene Gesserit we're talking about, their training and the trainees should not look like a bunch of very normal girls at a modern day girl's school /smh. They totally messed up here and they don't even realise it, this is pretty poor writing (and imagination). Don't forget the Dune universe has always been pretty weird, this should be weird on top of being 10,000 years ahead of modern day. There shouldn't be anything 'normal' about these girls, and certainly not the adult Bene Gesserit who also very often just seem like very normal women. It all feels very wrong and mundane .

[@fate0521]

whale fur?! welfare?

[@adeleyemathew2112]

Y'all please I need your honest opinion is this series worth it?! Is it very interesting?!

[@gmonorail]

acolytes are never subject to possession. even while going through the agony that opens access to ancestral genetic memory. only a preborn fetus is. the acolyte possession storyline is 💯 brian herbert ridiculous. we learn tula is a good liar. probably good enough to fool truthsayer mother superior valya. we learn valya is not sisterhood above all. and i think tula will ultimately decide valya is too willing to sacrifice sisters and unworthy of leading the sisterhood. only question for me is whether tula has the secret support of other reverend mothers, like mikaela.

[@WisperArt]

Frank Herbert wrote a scene where Leto II and his sister opened themselves to possession. Ghanima almost got lost forever because Chani did not want to leave the body of the child. This proves that even adults can become abominations.

[@gmonorail]

@WisperArt leto 2 and ghanima were preborn. chani fremen diet so saturated with spice her atreides children were born as abomination, having access to their ancestral memories. leto of course having both male and female line access.

[@dffndjdjd]

I don’t know where you get the notion it’s being pre born. Frank makes it clear that it’s a mix of training and genetics. The latter is how they are able to survive the agony, the former is how they do so with their own sense of self and identity intact. I do believe Desmond is a male reverend mother and is possessed. It fits all the pieces of the puzzle. I also think he is the son of Tula and that Atreides boy. This explains his need for revenge. And the Atreides angle shines a light on who might be possessing him and their intentions. Being Vorian’s father, the cybernetic machine general Agamemnon. But I do believe you may be onto something with how this ends. I think the Lila plot line ends with the sisterhood discovering the secret of the prescience wielding navigators showing them how they should focus part of their breeding program on enhancing these abilities so they have greater range across time and space as well as not needing so much spice and a mutation to be able to control them. And on the other showing how males can access other memories and survive but they need a much stronger genetic foundation to stabilize their will, self and identities for the agony and come out without possession. But as to how the reckoning ends and what it is, you may be right. The reckoning is for the sisterhood’s rather aggressive tactics, Valya mentions directly controlling the next emperor which is something the sisterhood would never do down the line as that risks exposure and the end of the sisterhood and even then the species itself as they are its protectors. That being said, perhaps Valya’s ends justify the means tactics have gone too far. Left them vulnerable to this. Perhaps this is the lesson the sisterhood learns from by facing extinction. And so Tula may just have to dethrone Valya to do it.

[@gmonorail]

@@dffndjdjd nope. you like brian herbert just need to read franks words a little more carefully. acolytes that fail the agony are killed by the poison. period. all of an acolytes training is centered on surviving the poison and the agony it causes. the only characters in frank herberts books subject to possession were awakened to the memories (of others, of ancestors) while in the womb. before being born. before having the chance to begin making memories of their own. alia, leto2 and ghanima. all acolytes have 20 years of their own memories and can distinguish between their own and "other".

[@WisperArt]

@@gmonorail Oh you're right, I forgot about that. Sorry, I've read the books years ago..

[@ghaytho.dabbagh1311]

But why on earth are the Harkonins and the Atraidies living too primitive life??!!!

[@KOK-if6hc]

games and anime spread pantheism However, there is only one God Holy Quran Surah al-Ikhlas In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.

[@GTH321]

This episode was a let down

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

I don't like it at all!! So Now we are supposed to feel bad for the Russian/Harkikans!! You can Tell Women are involved in the writing.. Now they are going to Paint the Atraities as the Bad Guy's When Harkinins were full scumbags!! This show is boring as hell so far... I will never feel bad for the rusiakans.. This is totally stupid.. The best part was when the Vinking dude was like Nah!! Him and the other Bald dude are carrying this show so far!! I'm getting sick of watching the Nuns..

[@dffndjdjd]

Vorian nuked hundreds of billions of humans to end the machine war.

[@mdgeist8827]

"Bait and switch", "Its Dune"- No, is more woke trash.-

[@danals699]

This episode was boring.

[@smittyjjensin558]

I do enjoy the series for showcasing a Dune world audiences have not seen, but I agree it is a very slow moving show. Even dull at some points.

[@crimnvL]

This show is embarrassingly low quality, the acting and pacing is just awful at times. the second episode gave me hope just for this one to be so bad i dont get it.

[@remi_gio]

Filler episode…

[@midimanify]

Acting was pretty bad

[@dffndjdjd]

I think it’s too high brow for most folks. The story isn’t being spoon fed, it’s being framed and the rest is subtext. To me as a passionate Frank Herbert fan, that feels like him. The master of making you think about what you’re reading.

[@mdgeist8827]

The first episode was OK, but they have to put more woke cra....p.

[@TheRogBG]

@@dffndjdjd LMAO the KZbin comment intellectual damage controlling a boring show by saying it's too smart for the average person.... Check yourself bro, the show isn't that deep lmao.

[@coltoncrawford3914]

oh my gosh that episode was complete trash. so so so bad.

[@midimanify]

I wish I could be onboard with this series as a fan of the dune lore but half way through… the writing is so clunky

[@TheRogBG]

Show just gets more boring each and every episode

[@mdgeist8827]

Because they put more woke propaganda in each episode.

[@TheRogBG]

@mdgeist8827 oh my God, you woke crusaders are the most exhausting people on the internet. No actual criticism other than "woke propaganda" which means absolutely nothing other than you hate seeing a woman as the lead character in a show about women and their influence in the dune universe. A show that's literally about a women only organization and how they manipulate their way to power. WTF did you think it was gonna be about?

[@TheRogBG]

@mdgeist8827 no pretty sure the show is just boring. Nothing to do with woke propaganda or whatever that means. You probably don't even know you're just regurgitating what you heard from some right wing goofball.

[@miragewizard]

A lot of exposition and background was needed for Valya and Tula. But I thought this episode, being almost completely flashbacks, was the weakest of the three episodes so far. How did Tula get on Caladan? Apparently she seduced her Atreides hunk. It's hard for me to believe that the Atreides were so gullible and so primitive when we already have Fremen on Arrakis. I didn't like the whole backstory of Valya and Tula, and I'm now less invested in their characters. Valya's only worth to Raquella was that she was supportive of the breeding program and she had the Voice. That's it. Apparently, that made her worth as much or more than Dorotea, which is something that I don't find realistic. Valya's true allegiance was to her family, which makes both her and Tula beneath the sisterhood, much less Reverend Mothers. Their father is Robert Baratheon no less, who was killed by a wild boar in Game of Thrones. Come on MAX.. This is DUNE for crying out loud, not Game of Thrones, regardless of how much you want it to be. So a wild bull shows up. I get the symbolism, which feels like it's being spoon fed to me. This is so clumsy that it's worthy of the later seasons of Game of Thrones. The best part of this episode was the very end, where Tula went into the secret vault or medical lab, and is about to do something with Lila's body (Ghola?). But that's it.

[@dffndjdjd]

This is shaping up to be the most Frank Herbert Dune ever put on screen. The backstories are clues. I think Tula ultimately seizes power from Valya. I also think she’s Desmond’s mother, being the son of the Atreides boy. All the subtext is very very Frank. He was the master of it

[@miragewizard]

@@dffndjdjd You have a lot of faith in MAX.

[@dffndjdjd]

My expectations couldn’t be lower as I thought the films mischaracterized much of the dune lore. If what I think is unfolding is what’s happening, then I will be very happy with this show.

[@stateazure]

@@dffndjdjd You're massively overrating the writers on this show

[@dffndjdjd]

@@stateazure I was ready to join the hate parade like you, but actually being a passionate fan of Dune for its deep themes about humanity and our destiny, as well as having read thousands of novels, I think I’m entitled to say when something appears to be headed in the right direction. But you do you, dump on everything to give yourself a sense of superiority. Very much like someone who would fail the gom jabbar

[@opup-m8b]

It’s unwatchable

[@seamusdelahunty1615]

All cud b a load of hoo ie If sarah ferguson cant get back to silo 18

[@meskahmusic]

This episode was dragged out it was shit TV too much exposition is not good story telling and flashbacks suck. Might as well have stated with their origin story like HOTD

[@testdep]

I just can't shake the suspension of disbelief, this show is supposed to be 11k yrs into the future (in our real timeline), less than 100 yrs after the great, galactic war against machines. Yet everything looks like GoT in SW cantina. There's nothing unique about this show visuals and it's downright offensive to the source material. Saying it as a book fan (inc prequel books).

[@djdksf1]

I guess as something of an expositional bottle episode it did its job, but boy was a lot of the writing clunky. I had to suspend my disbelief for half the episode, particularly the scenes with Valya and Akaela (sp?)