Dungeons and Dragons Lore: Leonin

[@digisalamander2726]

In my dnd homebrew I have the Leonins have a feud with Gnolls. Just like Lions and hyenas in real life, leonins and Gnolls absolutely hate each other and will attack each other on sight

[@maxjackson4623]

Im glad im not the only one who did that. It makes sense naturally as honorbound and noble the leonin are wouldnt tolerate the backstabbing betrayals of the gnolls.

[@daryldecker7469]

I gotta love how ever expanding the D&D lore and games of the like worlds are. Your videos was the reason I got into D&D

[@Rebomor]

Totally agree! AJ is the best, and in my opinion he is the true heart of D&D! Chris Perkin knocks ‘em down and the Pickett brings it right back up!

[@jamescoyne6836]

Me too

[@juliogouvea9447]

You gonna make AJ cry happy tears!

[@boianko]

"Leonin can roar 25 times louder than a gas-powered lawnmower" Anything but metric...

[@tatsusama3192]

America *had* to be different and it's made travel annoying for us for life, hahaha

[@Daile0303]

" how many footbal fields is that? "

[@xPumaFangx]

2250 db = The leonin yell range.

[@AJPickett]

@@xPumaFangx at most, it would be 114 decibels (which is still very, very loud)

[@xPumaFangx]

@@AJPickett How is 90 db x 25 not = 2250 db?

[@psyberklown3434]

I'm always leonin something new when I watch one of your videos...I'll show myself out.

[@ART1F1CER]

Tysm, a campaign I recently joined, that has it's first session in 30 mins after this comment, is gonna have me playing this race! This vid is a lifesaver! I like to know my race lore before using them.

[@AJPickett]

excellent.

[@oliverwilhelm6171]

They're in my homebrew setting, but the only clan of any relevance on the continent the game takes place on are the "Shadowmane". A group of them that had a generations-long war with the orcs and were forced to lose their ancestral homeland. They were on the verge of extinction, and swallowed their pride - asking for help from a neighboring human kingdom, who agreed, with three rules; - Leonin must serve in the kingdom's military or city watch for at least six years of their lives. They are allowed to retain their ancestral fighting styles or magic if they wish. - The Shademane clan's greatest shaman is to act as one of the king's viziers for their entire life, as will their greatest shaman after them, and their greatest shaman after them, in Infinium. - When the Shademane's lands are retaken, the human kingdom is to remain a valued ally and welcome guest. The first two stipulations are to be abolished at that time in good faith. The leonin agreed, and they're in their second generation as part of the human kingdom, who are starting to realized they got a really good deal, as the lionmen of the newest generation have begun to think of the human kingdom as their 'clan', becoming extremely loyal/fanatic about it.

[@CultOfNothoon]

Secretly introducing Leonin into my homebrew campaign. I have my own lore for them, but the one my party is likely to meet in particular is (appearance-wise) based on Gado from Bloody Roar and is a Squared Circle Pugilist who sees monsters and is just like "You see that Beholder over there? I'm gonna wrassle it!"

[@AJPickett]

Nice, pugilist is a great fit for them.

[@madocmayhem]

I love your synopsis of lawful good planes xD. My first love of that side of the great wheel was seeing the third layer of Arcadia under the control of the Hard-headed, sliding into Mechanus. Amazing video and gotta say you sounded really upbeat going into this hybrid lore xD

[@AJPickett]

It's a fantastic multiverse, I'm loving it.

[@madocmayhem]

So happy you are, loving hearing you talk about it so far xD

[@DocWolph]

The Archons: When you are so good there is no difference between you and evil.

[@AJPickett]

There should be an alignment called "Lawful Asshole"

[@Menelvagore]

@@AJPickett Coupled with "chaotic stupid"

[@deadmanmouse2463]

Glad you are good man. Dope video, love me some lion folk. I have gotten a ton of great use out of the mtg d&d books and my players love the new race options. So for me it has blended perfectly. I mostly make my own settings anyway and just use forgotten relms lore as a starting point for monsters and gods.

[@tywire7288]

Always a good time to relax and grab a beverage when there's new video out!

[@fujisan0388]

Battle Beast

[@Cruuvo]

I've listened to this in the background at least a dozen times now as I've been writing out an old guard Leonin whose previous party disbanded after a very upsetting death, pushing everyone else into a normal, stable life that my 54 year old cat man simply couldn't get with. Probably my second favorite character I've ever made, love these videos almost as much as this old Battle Master loves picking birds out of the sky with his well used and decorated sling.

[@joshuazane3210]

I was initially somewhat leery about mixing MtG lore into D&D, but I have to admit that I'm warming up to the idea thanks, in no small part, to your videos. Thank you for encouraging me to broaden my horizons.

[@AJPickett]

Just doing my job ;)

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

Thanks. You have no idea for how long I waited for this video.

[@nathanmerrifield2309]

In my setting, Tabaxi and Leonin came from a branching evolutionary line and as a result, have very different social structures. The Tabaxi clans reside in the open fields while the Leonin clans hide away in the mountain jungles to the South East.

[@itaykerensm1629]

Great video aj!!

[@lorenburnham821]

Excellent

[@dreamwolf7302]

While Leonin are relatively new, they play well into my homebrew species, the Gnollvarg. Gnollvarg are a variant of the classic Gnoll, hailing from the bitter cold tundras of the north, and forsaking their chaotic evil roots, for Chaotic Good/Neutral Good alignments. The Leogard, a race of lion men, were Lawful Good (read: Lawful Stupid) who devoted themselves to wiping out ALL Gnoll Kind. Even the Gnollvarg who were good hearted, loyal, and relatively peaceful, outside of taking up crusades to fight against unjust dictatorships. The Leonin are a perfect fit to take this role, and i will be working to bring them into future campaigns. As a side note: Gnollvarg have a more wolf/bear like appearance, usually in shades of white, or light gray, and their racial culture is based heavily on a mix of Tolkien Dwarves, and the general mindset of the Knights Templar. they would go on crusades if they heard of genocide, authoritarianism, or other abuses of power. While Good, they would not hesitate to kill a child, if it meant saving a dozen more. the Leogard as i created them, were lawfully stupid. justice did not matter, in the face of the law.

[@bigsarge2085]

Now I've got some great inspiration for a Lion-esque character/NPC!

[@ChasoGod]

If you have Tabaxi in the world, you'll probably have Leonin.

[@LSDireWolf]

Ooh one am where I am. Good stuff to listen to as I drift off. Thanks AJ!

[@OneBoredSoul]

Hello, I wanna make a Leonin with the Far Traveler backstory - anyone know of any canon musical instruments unqiue to this race of Theros?

[@That80sGuy1972]

In the 90s, I homebrewed some player character races/archetypes based upon the Zodiac signs... most didn't take much. This reminds me of the "Leo" race I created and is much better. Will you please lend me some E-115 or some other E element and help me repair my time machine so I can go back to the 90s and implement these into my games? Oh... and repairs to my time machine will be quite extensive... it never worked. Thanks!

[@AJPickett]

Best I can do is E-117 I picked up at a garage sale in Australia.

[@That80sGuy1972]

@@AJPickett We might over-shoot the date a bit but that should work. That's almost gravity drive starship quality.

[@DaDunge]

I was under the impression that most Leonin in Theros refused to pay any homage to the gods at all.

[@AJPickett]

Mostly, yes.

[@zimattack9994]

Ow goody one of my favorite races in d&d

[@Mare_Man]

The Leonin family dynamic makes it sound like they'd fit right into Halfling communities, funnily enough

[@theoptimist5366]

I imagine the Halflings wouldn't be too keen on that, at first.

[@sterlingphillips5532]

Love your content. Keep up the good work!

[@DracosDiabolis]

Ah geez. Thanks AJ. I'm now mentally building a encounter/campaign using Leionin based off the 2 lions from "the Ghost and the Darkness" It was the first thing that popped in my head. Lol Awesome video my friend.

[@AJPickett]

Yikes! Demon lions are also a thing, I should make a vid about them.

[@mis.astrid2635]

If you havent done it yet, could you speak on the Loxodon? Especilly the lore on wolly Loxodon.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

He did, along side the Loxo.

[@krispalermo8133]

People have been trying to cross MtG with D&D since the 1990's AD&D game rules were still in play. Such as using the Deck of Many Things.

[@56sketch]

I run Leonin as another race of Tabaxi in my homebrew campaign. Different history, different mannerisms and customs but shared ancestry

[@AJPickett]

100% legit use for them, go hard.

[@ashecrimson2812]

Love this, hope you’ll expand to more MTG planes in the future, I’m running a D&D campaign set in the MTG multiverse, and my players have almost all chosen planes I’m unfamiliar with lmao

[@AJPickett]

This is the way.

[@ashecrimson2812]

@@AJPickett This is the way.

[@markr.7835]

amazing content as always

[@Zasek2112]

Good to hear your voice is better AJ 😊

[@trajanfidelis]

Really like these guys. Glad your back!

[@TheSelfeDestruct]

The art depicts them carrying the same kind of weapon over and over, it's not quite an axe though. It seems to me to look of Egyptian origin or close to it, does anyone know the name of it?

[@AJPickett]

Adjani, who is depicted a lot in this video, carries a weapon made with the head of his axe, with the head of his brother's axe on the other end, so, they are simply axe blades rotated slightly to be better for a double-ended weapon.

[@257shinigami]

I've always seen them called Egyptian Fan axes

[@TheSelfeDestruct]

@@AJPickett Thank you!

[@TheSelfeDestruct]

@@257shinigami Thank you!

[@anthonylivesay6358]

I remember quite awhile back (Decades) in a Dragon Magazine stats for a Lion race of humanoids. Are these the same thing or do you happen to know which # it was in?

[@AJPickett]

www.aeolia.net/dragondex/

[@LatheOfChaos]

So awesome! I’ve had Ajani as a planeswalker and his army of leonin in one of my games. So excited to have a full video done on these good lion folk.

[@kikiblair5132]

These guys were the main creatures in one of my favorite decks back in high school before it got way to expensive to play.

[@kannathraymaker]

Reminds me of the Vah Shir in Everquest. My main in that game was a Vah Shir shaman that had the head and fur (and tail) of a tiger. Wonder if this Magic the Gathering lore came before 2001 when the Vah Shir were introduced in EQ? 😜

[@CheetahFoxx]

I remember being in middle school in the 90s and playing MTG. I had cat warriors, elite cat warriors, and panther warriors. All were based off anthropomorphic large cats with a middle eastern flare.

[@Thisisnotadreamhaha]

Just wanted to say thank you again for all the wonderful content, and hard work :) !

[@Thisisnotadreamhaha]

Not sure if you'll see this AJ (and you dont have to respond), but I have a personal question. I'm wondering if you have children? I'm a father of 4 girls :) btw. I only ask because of the many traits you possess. You have a calm, pleasant, and fair voice. Your defined, stern, but gentle rules for only allowing a supportive and safe community, and always reminding people to follow their own hearts and ideas, and lastly that you always remain humble. If you're not a father I only suggest you should try. It's so wonderful, and I strongly belive you'd be good at it :) . Sorry for the long message. I've been watching a long time, and saw no reason why I shouldn't share my thoughts. Thank you again. I wish I could afford to be a patron...4 kids and all lol. Cheers from Canada

[@teddyb9794]

Your labor pleases me.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

So I can expect some crazed lion psuedo-paladin creature to interfere in my mass deicide plan at the early levels while I create the beginnings of my army, but just at some point. I will make rugs and pelts out of these lions for that. Perhaps I might help myself by creating an artificial lifeform using them as a base.

[@johntheherbalistg8756]

I'm incredibly excited that they got the Theros stuff out. I kinda like MtG novels, though I never really played the card game after junior high

[@CheetahFoxx]

Kitties!! My first character I am about to play is a Leonin barbarian. She was found as a baby as the sole survivor of a crashed spelljammer on Toril and raised by a tribe of tabaxi. As far as anyone knows (including her) she's just an extra big tabaxi that isn't very bright and prefers to just smash and slash instead of focusing on rouge or monkish skills like the others. Like many barbarians, intelligence is her dump stat so I plan to make her the the classic dumb ditsy girl but with enough strength to pound the average person into mush. She's going to be very curious and playful like a cat would be, and although good in alignment and actions she loves nothing more than charging into combat with a greataxe. Instead of a rage, I think she's going to have more of a mania; getting googly eyes and laughing as she thoroughly enjoys herself like a cat stuck in a cage full of parakeets.

[@the_eternal_darkness_8436]

Thank you for this. I'm playing a Leonin barbarian from the Spine of the North in a Rime of the Frostmaiden campaign so this will be very helpful

[@jamesprice6015]

Love your work AJ.

[@Christopher_Pug]

Nice! Bonus Leonin lore from other realms! Great video!

[@Joseph_memelord]

In my world, all catfolk are tabaxi, but the "subrace" of lions are leonin, and this really does help

[@arzpendragon]

Kinda did the same ^^ different social classes, though.

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

I wonder after Invincible, how many people would try and use Leonin to make a Battle Beast build

[@fenrirswolh3]

Every one.

[@AJPickett]

Yeah... everyone :)

[@agentchaos9332]

/\ I'm Literally watching this video to help homebrew battle beast..although I'm planning to use him as a boss NPC rather then a player character.

[@MarkATorres1989]

So a Leonin and a Tabaxi enter an open air drinking pub...

[@AJPickett]

*Fur flies in this outrageous summer comedy romp! Staring Ryan Reynolds as Xante De Plume and Vin Diesel as Scar Redmane.*

[@tonyromasco1735]

Thanks for all you do! I plan to tweet you a little something you might like on making artifacts more vivid. It's a specialty of mine.

[@AfroChef]

One of my favorite characters was a lion man named Aslan. He died from a crit session 1, I was fine switching to another character but my Dm offered me multiclass into Phoenix sorcerer, good combo for a warpriest. I often described his mane as illuminating when he cast spells.

[@Nildread]

Wait a second I think I've heard this one before....was there perhaps a satyr named tumnus?

[@chriscalvin5083]

Awesome Video AJ

[@glorbojibbins2485]

Duuuuude, do slivers if you get a chance. That'd be a rad video

[@AJPickett]

I have done so already :)

[@glorbojibbins2485]

@@AJPickett lol badass I'll go watch that right now 😅

[@kmoustakas]

Mirrodin Leonin paladins of conquest can be a thing although fallen aasimar might still be better. Roar + attack or transformation+spiritual weapon, that's the question

[@coreyeaston6823]

Yah...you have survived (sound a little rough still) but happy your back!

[@SleepySlann]

I love the fact that they included the Leonin since the tabaxi rules did not fit with them. Magic does have a tabaxi equivalence though, in the form of the cat warriors, who are panthers and leopards opposed to the leonin lions. I can't remember if there exists a plane with both types of cat people though, but either way they really are made for different environment.

[@alexsduthie23]

Great video man good luck with lockdown

[@manuelcamara6400]

The thing that draws me to them is there relationship to the gods. They don't deny the gods as gods, far from it. However, recognizing a being as all powerful and recognizing them as a being of worship are two completely different things.

[@AJPickett]

In previous editions we had a class called the Ur-Priest who basically steal power from the gods (they see them as you described, powerful beings who are not worthy of worship), in 5E we have the Leonin Iconoclast, who are more like cleric bane, they hunt down and kill the servants of the gods.

[@Nildread]

@@AJPickett and their mana colours were blue-red. oh wait no I'm mixing up my d&d with my MTG, that's UR dragons that are blue red.

[@guuspot923]

Ooo, this one nearly rolled off the table! Another stick of glue for the eating.

[@jameswhite-pv3sq]

Wow its crazy just how far we have come these last few years .im so glad to have been here .thanks for the absolute liches library .it's comes in handy so often thanks aj and I'm sure im not the only one who believes it .you have helped flush out whole worlds for people.from me bugging you for aquatic videos to you being the end of the question when it comes to monsters . Volo would be proud I know I am.

[@AJPickett]

Thanks James!

[@Patrick-it8nk]

My normal DnD group had started a campaign recently and I settled on Leonin as a character. I figured it would be fun but honestly I'm having an absolute blast, far more than I thought I would, playing as one. I think that this video will be be helpful in thinking up ways my character would behave as well as things that could maybe make his vague backstory more interesting.

[@docdirtymrclean3610]

This is why you always make a game world with Continents and shores. Because you can always " a island to the far (insert compass direction here) has been found!" " Mists!" . "floating!"

[@thomasace2547]

Hey AJ, hope you’re feeling better!

[@AJPickett]

95%, good enough to get back to work :)

[@moonringXD]

Fascinating video and excellent work as always aj! Also do you think you'll do a video on the tritons of theros?

[@AJPickett]

Yes, most likely.

[@avenshil]

I had a PC a while back that used to specifically wanted to make a humanoid Lion so i instinctively used the tabaxi template because i didnt have anything else to go off of...but im glad to see more and more races i hadnt initially known about. might be making some tweaks to his character. AJ your Scripts are awesome everytime buddy

[@imabirdo]

Ajani Pridesmane aka the lion jesus and his journey thru Theros is a great read. Btw Lolth is literally a planeswalker card right now yes it doesn't make sense besides the obvious marketing stunt.

[@billberndtson]

Great video as always 😁

[@florenmage]

If its to lawful it might as well be evil depending on the situation.

[@kingmasterlord]

Leomon left Digimon and fathered an entire race

[@wolfmantheimpaler]

Except they don't constantly get their butts kicked

[@kingmasterlord]

@@wolfmantheimpaler hey Leomon is the man and I'll hear no ill spoke of him

[@zenvariety9383]

@@kingmasterlord Have you guys heard of the Digimon 2020 reboot or played Digimon ReArise? Leomon has been doing well nowadays and not getting deleted either.

[@kingmasterlord]

@@zenvariety9383 literally just heard of that today actually

[@Nildread]

@@kingmasterlord you gotta admit though, no matter how cool leomon was for a long time his entire purpose was to be a mentor and then look cool while dying.

[@johnnybtheshooter1457]

Is there a playable tiger-like race that mirrors the Leo in race?

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

Welllll... you would have the Greater Rakasta from Mystara who are stereotypically tiger like but they can look like any big cat.

[@geoffreycannon2197]

Fantasy Flight Games released "Mythic Races" back in 2001, for the 3rd edition/d20 systems. It included the Artathi race-each type of big cat was represented, including Lion-like il' breed and the tiger-like tal' breed. They included society notes, different stats for each sub race, and religious beliefs. That book could be adapted for use in other editions, I'm sure.

[@AJPickett]

Like I mentioned, statistic wise they are identical, just give them an origin from Bant or Alara in general, planes hopping species would be commonplace in the MtG multiverse.

[@ARH8585]

Created a monk Leonin named Rock with fangs and claws covered in steel. Despises gnolls..

[@AJPickett]

I feel like we would be friends... I also hate Gnolls.

[@ARH8585]

@@AJPickett we already are mate...we already are.. thanks for this sick content!!!!! Much needed!

[@AlphaCocoAudio]

Can't wait for you to do one for Yuan ti purebloods

[@David-vs4rt]

He did yuan ti a long time ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/maimm4VnhLV3fdE

[@AJPickett]

Ah, you raise a good topic... I have a video on the Yuan'ti for the D&D Multiverse, you can see how making another Yuan'ti video for the MtG multiverse versions would be quite confusing. This is a problem I will have to figure out a solution to.

[@almitrahopkins1873]

Miletus was a classical Greek city.

[@AJPickett]

Sorry, my bad.

[@almitrahopkins1873]

@@AJPickett No worries. Only a half dozen or so people would catch that.

[@abdullahalghanimi379]

The prides sound a lot like the Nietzschean from the Andromeda TV show.

[@_Carlos]

WE WANT FRAGGLE ROCK!

[@AJPickett]

:D

[@rodisrael4432]

Ty so much for this

[@jeffjohn7194]

Hey aj can you do video one hundred hander , ps cr 57 dnd

[@kinghoenn3478]

I find the lack of Thundercats staggering

[@theoptimist5366]

How would you stat a leonin for maximum Thundercatness?

[@kinghoenn3478]

I would gift them a magic shortsword. By using a bonus action, you can say a command to change it into a longsword, then into a great sword. Thunder.....Thunder......Thundercats HOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@theoptimist5366]

@@kinghoenn3478 looks legit.

[@MaskedRiderChris]

Oh, you just gave me some Ideas. If my current character buys the farm any time soon, I may petition my DM to let me play one of these guys!

[@groudonmario]

Woo AJ is back

[@shawnbobo5624]

can leonin interbreed other races?🤔

[@AJPickett]

If you want that in your game, then it is so. (for my games? No)

[@davidmacko6309]

@@AJPickett that begs the question can they do it with tabaxis ?? because irl the cat families are able to make mixed offspring

[@AJPickett]

@@davidmacko6309 unknown

[@raymondharnack4160]

@@davidmacko6309 not true, lions and tigers can intermix but their off spring are sterile like mules are.

[@goontubeassos7076]

@@raymondharnack4160 Right, and I’m sure somewhere at sometime someone tried breeding a house cat with a lion or tiger, obviously wasn’t successful because we would have mini lions and tigers available as pets.

[@andresmarrero8666]

It is interesting how this race pairs with one of my characters. They don't like humans, she is fascinated with them. They like confrontation, she doesn't like having too many eyes on her and she is very annoying when it comes to answering questions. She is completely indifferent to them as they aren't humans or have anything to do with humans and you can be certain that they "hunt" differently. Don't expect a gaint constrictor to hunt like a pride of lions. Those potential interactions are interesting.

[@favlilnap]

Played a campaign where one the pc is a leonin...the backstory was he was a royalty of faraway kingdom...but because of the civil war he is exiled when he's still a kid..he nearly died during his exiled where he was attacked by bunch of gnolls..but he is saved by a gay nomad couple who thought him how to survived by scavanging and eating various types of proteins..after a few years later he's determine to reclaim his birthright thus began his adventure and saying goodbye to his adoptive parents...and i think its a really nice backstory..

[@Chickenbreast9]

Sounds familiar, have you pitched this Story to a certain Animation Company? /S

[@favlilnap]

@@Chickenbreast9 Idk what you mean but it has some great premises gotta give it to him

[@roguelionproductions3030]

@@favlilnapI think he’s hinting to the lion king. Lol.

[@arnoldtabor3767]

I like the thought of Leonins and Tabaxi are the same species like the Khajit in elderscrolls ... Maybe depending if it's close to the next or last moon ... I wanna say if it's closer to waxing or waning Also have them be apart of a savannah island with a mountain range in the middle separating a small rainforest for the Tabaxi to mainly inhabit, have a couple of beach islands with small plains in the middle around it full of fisher villages and hunting grounds ... But have their archipelago close like maybe one being like Mont Saint Micheal to a large stretch of beach leading to forests or plains and meadows with one city and small villages but it being lightly populated but well connected with roads with it mainly being hunting grounds

[@r3kk3n54]

Tabaxi are more khajit-like Leonin are more like honor bound Big ass Cat people who are VERY intimidating

[@koopeker]

battle beast

[@Acekhan201]

Awesome. I'm running a game with a leaning paladin in a domain of dread. She will have to face the corrupted undead being of her brother who was killed brutally and made serve his killer in undeath.

[@tatsusama3192]

This is probably just coincidence, since D&D/MTG are based in Western fantasy, but Leonin actually fits in Japanese as well. "Nin" means person. Leonin would be lion person😀

[@DracosDiabolis]

Oh wow didnt know that. Now I'm picturing a leonin kensai/Samurai

[@AJPickett]

I learn every day. Yes, Samurai would be a great fit.

[@DracosDiabolis]

@@AJPickett wonder if a Leonin would take the Wookiee approach and not use claws in honorable combat.

[@Nildread]

Well MTG does have kamigawa so atleast someone there had interest in Japan.

[@moonringXD]

Hey off topic but do you think you would ever do the lore of Talislanta aj?

[@AJPickett]

Wow, quite obscure. Um no sorry Moonring, can't say that one holds much interest for me.

[@brightglory5734]

Thunder!

[@joninfiretail]

Thunder!

[@AJPickett]

Sword of Omens, give me sight Beyond sight!

[@brightglory5734]

@@AJPickett you're the best Mr. Pickett

[@Jeremycook_]

Thunder Cats Hoooaah!

[@DCJMS]

Lions are my favourite animal, it's nice the Leonin got some variation culture to culture :)

[@lordsubziro2824]

Kudos to you for an entertaining D&D/MTG character race lore!! I am curious as to what level and class that Planeswalkers become when converted into D&D stats. I'm sure they have an innate power of planar travel or gate to travel among the D&D multi-verse with ease. Like Emperor Palpatine says in SW: The Revenge of the Sith: "POWER! ABSOLUTE POWER!!"

[@DallasHunterH]

There is a ranger subclass you can take at level 3 titled Horizon Walker, it’s been a while since I’ve looked through GGR but I’m pretty sure planes walkers are detailed in there

[@AJPickett]

Depends on which era of MtG history we are talking about of course, the original Planeswalkers are stupendously powerful, the latest batch, not much better than Sorcerers with wizard class levels :)

[@erispapps9929]

honestly I kinda hate the magic the gathering stuff in Dnd. Why would the adventures need to save the world If their are 20th level lawful good angels around.

[@AJPickett]

I respect your opinion, though it seems to be in a minority here in my little slice of the internet. But hey, that's cool, D&D is a buffet, not a set menu.

[@dans9097]

I honestly don't know which you're referring to, because there are CR 21 Solars in 5e, so reasonably capable of single-handedly fighting a party at their level cap. In MtG, Nicol Bolas has literally conquered entire Planes, enslaved and killed gods, and created an army of intelligent but perfectly obedient undead super-soldiers, including the corpses of some of said gods. Closer in comparison to Tiamat than an ancient dragon.

[@erispapps9929]

@@dans9097 mtg has power creep that becomes a problem when appled to an rpg. In 5e the angels are rare and in another realm doing stuff. While in ravica the leader of one of the factions is an lawful good cr20 angel. I just don't like mtg as an rpg, I would have liked to see classic Dnd settings from Past editions but instead we get farly generic high fantasy.

[@erispapps9929]

Also how are you supposed to translate creature with death touch or indestructible into Dnd? In mtg you can casually banish a creature from existence. Kinda hard to adapt that into a Dnd game.

[@dans9097]

@@erispapps9929 Aren't there a few spells to do the same? Any number inflict enough damage on average to kill a dozen Commoners, some disintegrating the body at the very least as they do so. Beyond that, there are angels at work even in the strangest places in D&D. Curse of Strahd has a Deva corrupted whilst in the Dark Domains. Angels are exactly as common as necessary in most D&D games, and for a very high level party (who might be called to a world-saving event) they might be interacting with them often. Realistically, four or five level-capped heroes are a match for a Solar, a "near godlike being" according to the DMG. The angels can hold their own, they are the reason the world hasn't fallen between adventurers, perhaps. But sometimes, they need a mortal agent to fill the gaps, distract their foes, or complete a prophecy. The last is most important - The Celestial (if aligned to Law) may be bound to some terms that prevent it from accomplishing a goal or stopping an evil. That angel can, in classic devilish style, find free agents and still be in accord with all laws, restrictions, oaths, treaties, and truces - Devils had to get their love of contracts somewhere, after all. Edit* Hiring out mercenaries, even murderhobos, may be a viable tactic for a high-level angel; they may well be the patron of Celestial Pact Warlocks because they're working outside the hierarchy.

[@moonringXD]

How do you think leonines would interact with wemic and dragon born?

[@AJPickett]

Reasonably well, though they would be disturbed by the Wemic's drinking habits. They would thoroughly enjoy fighting with Dragonborn (as a sport).

[@tahlialysse]

Not to mention that culturally - at least depending on the source for the dragonborn in question - both leonin and dragonborn tend towards order, rules, and strong communal connection. This would make their larger cultures very compatible and mean that characters of both races may likely value many of the same things.

[@Telenaus]

oh man thats a loud roar. i wonder if their claws create the same over growth sheet that cats do and thicken when they age?

[@AJPickett]

Yep, I would assume so.

[@Telenaus]

@@AJPickett hehe some dwarf is gonna make a Killing on, nail files ,lol now i have the image of an 1940's secretary, with those claws sharpening her nails,, with big fake pearl earing's s hehee

[@ben5056]

Can now play Battle beast, awesome

[@mojothemagickcrafter7635]

The band or figure collection line from the 80's?

[@ben5056]

@@mojothemagickcrafter7635 nah a character in the Invincible comic

[@mojothemagickcrafter7635]

@@ben5056 Gotcha. Haven't watched that yet sadly.

[@ben5056]

@@mojothemagickcrafter7635 probably my favorite show of the year, it’s great

[@mojothemagickcrafter7635]

@@ben5056 Looks good.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

So let me get this right., they don't like people from the outside because they think they hate them and they're right, because everybody else think their bullys. Is that right? Also why most of them don't like the gods?

[@AJPickett]

Mortals prayed and manifested the gods, those gods kicked the Leonal's asses... hence, they retreated from the world and it's gods and have no trust of the celestials in general, due to the evil they did under their orders.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

@@AJPickett Ok, ok now I get it. So I guess my last question is, do they practices the worship of their ancestors as their main stream religion? Like from way back way before they served the Archons or are they non religios as a whole?

[@AJPickett]

@@nicolaezenoaga9756 They are not very religious as a whole, culturally, individuals (and doubly so for player characters) may be just as religious as anyone else, but unlike say, the Dwarves, they don't believe they were created by any god, they understand their place in the natural world and deeply regret ever losing sight of that. Of course, even among the Theros Leonin, there is a lot of variation among the cultures of each group of related prides.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

@@AJPickett Thank you.

[@raedien]

Did I miss the section on the Bant Leonin?

[@AJPickett]

They get a mention