DUROCK Cement Board Do's and Dont's

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Күн бұрын

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@MrHamlet
@MrHamlet 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. The only issue I see is the trowel lines should point to the shortest distance to make it easier for the air to escape.
@johnwausau64
@johnwausau64 2 жыл бұрын
A nice, concise no BS or mugging for the camera.... just good info ! Thank you
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@jmar5787
@jmar5787 3 жыл бұрын
I did this same process at my brother's house back in 2003 the tile has not moved or cracked and looks like new. We are talking the entryway, foyer and walkway to kitchen. This is the right way!
@danc6222
@danc6222 3 жыл бұрын
I agree
@robertbaker50
@robertbaker50 3 жыл бұрын
That's awesome to know, built right, built to last is what I like to hear.
@thomasflynn6307
@thomasflynn6307 3 жыл бұрын
I agree too
@kokololpo777
@kokololpo777 4 жыл бұрын
Its great to see quality training videos and right way to do things. Thanks.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
thanks
@mikem4432
@mikem4432 Ай бұрын
most general contractors have moved on to the easier to install membrane from Schluter Ditra or others, it costs more but seems to work as well for the past 20 years or so.. but I just had my tiny bathroom floor redone pulling up a 60 year old cement board and tile that was perfectly intact.. so its your call. one thing is certain if you do the cement flooring right, it will last forever, if you slap it on without good thinset or taping the edges it will crack and fall appart in a few months or so.
@isakwilkinson2491
@isakwilkinson2491 2 жыл бұрын
I just love this University of KZbin. Thank you so much for the video this will be my first time putting it down I'm doing a shower and haven't totally decided if I'm just going to go ahead and use that stuff or use well I'm going to use this stuff overall the rest of my flooring but then in the shower I'm just going to reconcrete to shower or mortar actually I'm going to remorter it and make a mortar bed first and then build my shower from there
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
I like your you tube name
@isakwilkinson2491
@isakwilkinson2491 2 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 once you've been a victim of identity theft you don't never want to put your name up on anything trust. And not to mention like cyberstalkers or who God knows what else. I believe to be positive but I can be negative just as like anybody else but I like to be positive mostly unless I deal with negative entities. Or people lol but thanks for the comment
@Mosaic_Mind
@Mosaic_Mind 4 жыл бұрын
The main reason I use Rock-on screws is because they have a corrosion-resistant finish. This prevents rust from bleeding into my grout. Also drywall screws chemically react with the alkaline in the cement board. Over time the drywall screws will break down and weaken.
@georgedavall9449
@georgedavall9449 3 жыл бұрын
Well said Perry !
@jlai3861
@jlai3861 3 жыл бұрын
I've noticed the difference between drywall screws and cement board screws. Drywall screw, or deck screw won't be able to drive down as flush as cement board screw.
@gc1370
@gc1370 2 жыл бұрын
can confirm this
@jlai3861
@jlai3861 3 жыл бұрын
I've removed tiles that directly set on plywood, set on backer board that screw down on floor without thinset in between, set on backer board that brad nailed on floors, yes they are extremely easy to remove, which makes my life a lot easier, but they appear to be no problem to taken the daily beat before renovations. It made me wonder all my previous efforts to follow instructions to the word are really worth it, are there better way to tile, definitely, but how many home owners really keep their tile long enough to see the different?
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
The design center I work for eliminated backerboard and started using fracture guard and modified flexible thinset over backerboard, this system is working very well.
@jlai3861
@jlai3861 3 жыл бұрын
@@markme4 Can you explain what is the fracture guard? I always interested in new building technology and keep learning.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@jlai3861 The fracture guard I'm referring to comes in liquid form and is applied with a paint roller, mainly used to prevent cracks in concrete from transferring through to tile. Many contractors are now using it over plywood substrates with a high success rate, eliminating backer board all together. Flexable thinset is recommended for this type of installation.
@jlai3861
@jlai3861 3 жыл бұрын
@@markme4 Thanks, do you have the name of product? It sound like redguard liquid membrane or ardex roll on water proofing, they claim have this crack provention feature.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@jlai3861 I use Mapelastic CI (crack isolation) made by Mapei with one of their Ultraflex thinsets. Yes it is a similar product to Redguard, drys much faster.
@puddytat8390
@puddytat8390 2 жыл бұрын
You are amazing you think just like me, wiah I could hire you as I can’t do the job by myself but don’t think you live in Australia. Very honest and and can see you care about your work. Well done!
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@alfredneuman4905
@alfredneuman4905 5 ай бұрын
In this video the cement board is mortared to the floor, not the subfloor. That tongue and groove plywood is nailed into the framing of the house. When the tile is out dated, it will be impossible to remove without destroying the floor.
@jackendabocs
@jackendabocs 4 ай бұрын
Nah. It comes back up. Just did the same in my house with subflooring. It all came up with no damage to subfloor after 16 years of set.
@mikaelil2316
@mikaelil2316 Жыл бұрын
Nice. I want to use cement board in the bathroom walls and floors. Can I use thin-set between 3/4 OSB subfloor board then mount the cement board, apply red guard 2 layers, then thin-set and apply the tiles? Please advise. Thank you!
@mathewbrown5989
@mathewbrown5989 4 жыл бұрын
One other tip: trowel your thin set perpendicular to the long edge so the air can escape more readily.
@Apexjasonmorganllc
@Apexjasonmorganllc 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t know where this idea came from? What if the sheet was square not 3x5 but rather 3x3? the thinset will do it’s job no matter if it’s troweled long or short just as long as it’s troweled in a straight direction.
@mathewbrown5989
@mathewbrown5989 3 жыл бұрын
​@@Apexjasonmorganllc Have you ever worked bubbles out from the underside of a sticker? Same concept? If I am trying to squeeze out the air, I'd rather go 1.5' than 2.5'. Isn't one of the goals to have a flat/level floor? Also, I'd imagine that once the thinnest is locked to both the subfloor and the cement board, there's opportunities for a vacuum to be created (if anyones ever tried removing one with wet thinset, they've experienced this). As much as I hate to overthink it, wouldn't that be weak point in the install, a vacuum air-bubble? Once the correct amount of load were to be on the finished surface, I'd have to think at some point there would be a failure (grout, tile, etc.). I guess my question is, what's the harm in it?
@Apexjasonmorganllc
@Apexjasonmorganllc 3 жыл бұрын
@@mathewbrown5989 if your installing a24x24 tile you comb your mud one direction. The direction doesn’t matter as long as it’s all consistent, that allows for the ridges to collapse and the air to escape. This does not change if you set a12x24. If the air will escape and the mortar will dry and bond properly on a square tile it will do the same if you comb side to side on a rectangular tile. The key and really the most important thing is that you comb your lines straight. Swirling your trowel and improper methods of using the trowel is where air becomes trapped. I’m sure you’ve torn out tiles and saw trowel lines going in a circle with no consistency.
@viralbank4695
@viralbank4695 2 жыл бұрын
Just did this last weekend! Thanks for the tips!
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching
@ByJosephStevenson
@ByJosephStevenson Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much I’m watching your video in Home Depot
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@RealTalkInAmerica
@RealTalkInAmerica 2 жыл бұрын
I have that exact same drill...... Harbor Freight Bauer, does a great job!
@mjvenditti8062
@mjvenditti8062 3 жыл бұрын
do you tape the joints with thin set and mesh tape?
@stevenhaskins1655
@stevenhaskins1655 6 ай бұрын
hello, great show. What is the purpose of laying thinset on the wood floor first? Why can't you just use screws to hold the backerboard down and then use thinset and tape to stop the boards from moving?
@markmartin7384
@markmartin7384 22 күн бұрын
The backerboard will come loose and Crack. Mortar plus screws makes it one big solid mass with the subfloor
@BeUnknown2
@BeUnknown2 3 жыл бұрын
Would someone please list brand names and product name for “latex fortified mortar” and “type 1 adhesive”. I try to buy joint compound for Durock brand cement board and the fine print on the contains says not suitable for cement board.
@thomasflynn6307
@thomasflynn6307 3 жыл бұрын
Good video thanks and that seems completely logical to lay it on a bed of thin set. Not only for strength but to fill any air gaps
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching, never had an issue using this method
@thomasflynn6307
@thomasflynn6307 2 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 smart man bet you don’t get many if any call backs
@thomasflynn6307
@thomasflynn6307 2 жыл бұрын
What do you patch the joints with when the dylura rock is on the floor
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
Mesh Drywall tape, and thinset
@romit91
@romit91 5 ай бұрын
Great video. My drill ran out of battery and my thinset dried under the board. Can I still screw down the board now?
@syzygy_ra
@syzygy_ra 3 жыл бұрын
well done, sir! Appreciate the tips and integrity.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@debrakramer9321
@debrakramer9321 3 жыл бұрын
Run your thin set grooves in the same direction so air can escape also. Nice vid.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
That does absolutely nothing
@TheModelmaker123
@TheModelmaker123 3 жыл бұрын
@@markme4 See www.ceramictilefoundation.org/blog/how-to-correctly-trowel-mortar-when-installing-tile Although this is for tile, the same principal should apply to apply thin set groove in the short direction of the durarock.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheModelmaker123 Thank you for the link , interesting. After 34 years of setting tile , I still don't believe there is air traveling through my trowl notches.
@kooper1683
@kooper1683 3 жыл бұрын
@@markme4 the notches have air inbetween, when you set the tile and the notches collapse to provide the tile with a solid (ish) bed the air escapes. Hard to believe you've been fixing tile so long and never heard air escaping.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@kooper1683 I really don't concern myself with it , I make sure the tile gets a good transfer and keep keep on setting! No failures in over 3 decades, I'm doing something right.
@dbeaulieu9730
@dbeaulieu9730 3 жыл бұрын
I use a handgrinder to cut the board. Cuts it fast and clean
@vikings844
@vikings844 3 жыл бұрын
Very messy though, hope you are cutting it outside with a mask on.
@slayerspam
@slayerspam 2 жыл бұрын
The polymer is for extending dry time because there are crystsls that grow (only while mortar is wet still) and impregnate the two cementatious/tile surfaces. That is the mechanism by which thinset bonds. So to use polymer modified thinset on plywood is extending drytime for no real reason. That wood needs to be dry so using a product specifically designed to slow the drying process is nonsensical. But I don't do it professionally so I could be totally wrong here and would be happy to be shown otherwise. Thanks for taking the time to talk to us
@weloveups831
@weloveups831 2 ай бұрын
So when the tile is no longer wanted. What will the beautiful T&G sub floor look like when the tile and thinset durarock is removed?
@jimmysotack2523
@jimmysotack2523 4 күн бұрын
Get all the major stuff up and pour self leveler
@Chakirisan
@Chakirisan 5 ай бұрын
If your Plywood base is solid can you use 1/4 " Durock? Thanks! Appreciate the video.
@stinga562
@stinga562 8 ай бұрын
What if its a smaller section say for like a dish washer? Could I avoid using the thin set and just screwing down the board? How far away should the screws be from each other? And when starting the first screw how far from the edge do you start?
@thehound1359
@thehound1359 Жыл бұрын
I’m using this process for my bathroom as well.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
nice!
@newgop4231
@newgop4231 Жыл бұрын
My only suggestion would be to notch trial the short side of the board to let the air out the same as you would with tile. I believe I see where you have the notch trial going the length of the board which would be trapping the air other than that good job
@kicharan
@kicharan 3 жыл бұрын
Do you want the screws to go all the way to the studs underneath? Or just into the plywood sheets? I plan on using 3/4" plywood and then 1/2" cement board for my bathroom.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
I do a couple in between the floor joists, but mainly you want them through the floor joists.
@AlCatrraz
@AlCatrraz 3 жыл бұрын
Another issue with the screws... I understand that the drywall screws will have CHEMICAL REACTION with the DUROC and FAIL... one has to use a NON REACTIVE SCREWS ... It's true for many projects in many fields..
@NorthernRight1
@NorthernRight1 3 жыл бұрын
It can be beneficial to lightly spray water on the back side of the board so moisture isn’t too quickly wicked out of the thinset, even though the additive does aid in, among other things, reducing such wicking. Dryness of the plywood subfloor and air can also factor in.
@jamesmckenzie5917
@jamesmckenzie5917 2 жыл бұрын
I forgot the put thin set between my plywood and concrete board… I didn’t know to do that .. I’m a diyer I have no experience will. It’s just a 3x5 shower floor will I be ok?
@sasowki
@sasowki 3 жыл бұрын
Nice work and tips. Highly addictive. Please explain what is the material that was layered under board. Thank you
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
floor joists, then 3/4 plywood glue and screwed, then 1/4inch of mortor, then durock screwed with rock-on screws
@klausxxlklausxxl4168
@klausxxlklausxxl4168 2 жыл бұрын
Could someone tell me what is the name of adhesive is being used over the plywood please??? Is it the same for tiling?
@cassluemmen5755
@cassluemmen5755 Жыл бұрын
Customs,Mapie,Laticrete all make a polymer modified thin set , yes I also recommend using a polymer modified thin set for setting the tile , always follow manufacturers recommendations plus tape the seams
@nickd1978
@nickd1978 Жыл бұрын
My subfloor is made up of 1x8 plank boards. Would you do the durock right over that or put something in between first like 1/4in plywood underlayment? Thank you.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
I'd probably use 1/2 plywood in between
@cassluemmen5755
@cassluemmen5755 Жыл бұрын
Plywood
@Jonathan-hq8od
@Jonathan-hq8od 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t putting thinset under the cement board basically glue the cement board to the plywood. So if a customer wants to replace the tile in 10 years. Wouldn’t the subfloor need to ripped up too with the cement board?
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
Thinset doesn't bond to wood like it does cement , usually it will come up without damaging the plywood, at least thats been my experience.
@KarlGPhoto
@KarlGPhoto 3 жыл бұрын
I just removed tile that was set on cement board that was installed this way and it was an easy removal. The thin set scraps up pretty easily. The tile had been installed by a previous owner about 10 years ago and was perfect except it doesn’t go with the new look.
@asianking187
@asianking187 2 жыл бұрын
Iv got woodens floors and ontop of them i have plywood Shall i install this over plywood or over the floorboards with no plywood ontop ?
@vincentleone1833
@vincentleone1833 Жыл бұрын
It says on the bag, not to use the Versabond over OSB. But i put 1/2" OSB over 3/4 plywood. So deflection shouldn't be an issue... is deflection the only reason OSB prohibits?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
Its because OSB easily peels apart. The moisture from versabond will expand the OSB
@vincentleone1833
@vincentleone1833 Жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 thank you
@vincentleone1833
@vincentleone1833 Жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 so i could put some water proofing membrane done before thinset?
@evanalhashimi426
@evanalhashimi426 2 жыл бұрын
hello sir thank u for ur video can i use cement on the top of this cement Board
@citoldyou
@citoldyou 8 ай бұрын
Yes for sure in fact I did one floor like that without tiling on top and then just paint on top
@keithcaldwell7187
@keithcaldwell7187 2 жыл бұрын
Do you put screws in the DUROCK between the register/vent and wall? Only asking because I'm using hardibacker and the strip beside the vent is so thin I'm concerned putting a screw in it will the thin piece in half
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
it will probably break
@FromTheHood2TheWoods
@FromTheHood2TheWoods 3 жыл бұрын
I put roofing felt paper over the 3/4 plywood subfloor, then screwed down 1/4 inch hardiboard over that. Next step is to put down 30x30 tiles, butter the back of tiles and the floors. Will this work.thank you
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Never seen it done that way, hardiboard needs to be embeded in motar per manufacturer specs
@kellyKellz9647
@kellyKellz9647 3 жыл бұрын
Can you show how you screw working your way to the corners? Like do u going diagnol?
@TC-eo5eb
@TC-eo5eb 3 жыл бұрын
We would like to tile a concrete basement floor which is uneven and wavy. Using the Durock seems like the ticket but I have a question. Would I use a treated layer of drywall directly on the concrete and cover with Durock or can the Durock go directly on the concrete floor without a plywood underlay ?
@AlCatrraz
@AlCatrraz 3 жыл бұрын
James Hardie Industries, makers of HardieBacker®, and USG, makers of Durock®, indicate that their respective cement backer boards should not be installed over concrete. ... USG: Durock does not expressly exclude concrete, but the material is specified only for minimum 5/8-inch exterior-grade plywood or OSB I found it here: www.thespruce.com/can-hardiebacker-or-durock-be-installed-over-concrete-1822593#:~:text=James%20Hardie%20Industries%2C%20makers%20of,not%20be%20installed%20over%20concrete.&text=USG%3A%20Durock%20does%20not%20expressly,exterior%2Dgrade%20plywood%20or%20OSB.
@rbnhd1976
@rbnhd1976 3 жыл бұрын
durock would be a waste in this scenario. You can use thinset with a flat trowel to level the floor, it scrapes easily after dry to get it smooth for tiling
@gagrg76
@gagrg76 Жыл бұрын
How's it going one question I'm getting my kitchen and 1/2 bath floor retiled some contractors say backer board some say mud job what do you suggest...right now my tiles in my kitchen floor are cracked and loose...
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
You must start with a SOLID floor first, if you have cracked tiles now its going to crack again if you dont strengthen the floor.
@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove
@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove 3 жыл бұрын
Can you use straight thinset under the Durock, or do you need to use a latex additive?
@gman00023
@gman00023 Жыл бұрын
hello I'm trying to do my kitchen floor and I'm not sure if I can use 1/4 inch durarock or I have to use 1/2 inch? thanks
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
Depends how sturdy your floor is and if you want your tile at a certain height to meet up with another floor in another room
@darringodden7225
@darringodden7225 2 жыл бұрын
I loved that my friend.
@GeneralJoe123
@GeneralJoe123 7 ай бұрын
does the company recommend the thin set to the sub base ???
@number1pappy
@number1pappy 3 жыл бұрын
Can this method be used in a mobil home with a 2x8 joist package??? I wanting to install tile floors. Thanks 😊
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
I would think it should work fine
@Elin-Esteem84
@Elin-Esteem84 3 жыл бұрын
Did u wet the plywood b4 u but the thinset down? I heard u should wet it a little bit.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
you can wet it with a sponge, not dripping wet ...just moist especially in the winter
@josegarcia-th3pj
@josegarcia-th3pj 2 жыл бұрын
thin mortar is need it, or it's possible to skip it
@magwamagwa45110
@magwamagwa45110 3 жыл бұрын
very good info and easy to understand thank you
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
thanks have a good rest of the day
@mariomurillo4822
@mariomurillo4822 3 жыл бұрын
Nice and neat job,but you really need to apply thinset on cement board as well,so you get a full contact.. When you install tile too,apply thinset on the floors and the back of tile.you can also use prime guard deck screws,I have done a few bathroom work .. old and new houses ,and I always find prime guard screws on floors still on good condition..
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@muddyriverdogz
@muddyriverdogz 3 жыл бұрын
no you dont !
@PortlandIronworker29
@PortlandIronworker29 4 ай бұрын
Thank you great video
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@rtheprizeisright7323
@rtheprizeisright7323 3 жыл бұрын
i thought on the floor you were supposed to leave and 1/8" between edges and also put the thinset on the edges of each piece? Maybe I'm wrong but just thought i seen that on multiple tv shows.
@libertyvilleguy2903
@libertyvilleguy2903 8 ай бұрын
The Home Depot instructional video says to leave a 1/8” gap between each Sheetrock piece. Do you agree?
@jameshines6486
@jameshines6486 2 жыл бұрын
Ive done remods that the tile was stuck directly to plywood. Tiles were on for 30 years. Still looked good. Not sure you need to go overkill with cement board on top of plywood. As long as your laying on 3/4 plywood. Verysturdy.
@ichi_go
@ichi_go 2 жыл бұрын
They don't make wood like they used to🤙🏻
@jaggedscar
@jaggedscar Жыл бұрын
Yeah and the thinset bed is overkill
@Aplushandymanservice
@Aplushandymanservice Жыл бұрын
I would do a primer on the wood. Has anyone ever done an anti vibration floor on conventional foundation
@cuypers1800
@cuypers1800 Жыл бұрын
Can you use liquid nails instead of thin set?
@EricFisher.TheVillages
@EricFisher.TheVillages 2 жыл бұрын
The holes will make it less waterproof ??
@sticks29pgm29
@sticks29pgm29 2 жыл бұрын
What did you use to bond the durock
@ShyRage1
@ShyRage1 3 жыл бұрын
can you use this kind of backer board on a slab of cement to lift the floor up for plank flooring? Or, would this not make any sense?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Ive never seen that done, I have seen 2x4's layed on the cement and covered in plywood, then flooring layed on that.. I have personally layed plank flooring right on top of cement, but I coated the cement with 3 coats of dry loc first.
@ShyRage1
@ShyRage1 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 yeah but if you lay 2 by 4's and you have a leak of some sort, the water will damage the wood and you'll have to rip everything up again
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Ive seen it done,but Ive never done it that way. Id use smart core planking its waterproof
@nyeuropean
@nyeuropean 3 жыл бұрын
I would use 1/2” durock or 1/2” wonder board and skip thinset.
@morty0721
@morty0721 3 жыл бұрын
Now you’re thinking!
@muddyriverdogz
@muddyriverdogz 3 жыл бұрын
manufactures specs say thinset no matter how thick or type of board you use.
@jackendabocs
@jackendabocs 4 ай бұрын
@@muddyriverdogzyep. That’s their CYA.
@Vincethrone
@Vincethrone Жыл бұрын
Would you say 66 screws per backer board?
@jaimedpcaus1
@jaimedpcaus1 3 жыл бұрын
Does it need to be even? And if it's not, what do you do to make it even? Thx
@malinoisnation9392
@malinoisnation9392 2 жыл бұрын
Do you recommend not taping the seems?
@cassluemmen5755
@cassluemmen5755 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@chrisreynolds2410
@chrisreynolds2410 2 жыл бұрын
Thinset is a must
@johnnygavita
@johnnygavita 11 ай бұрын
If you place your screen every six inches knowing where the floor joist are is pointless. Am I wrong?
@marcospgricon
@marcospgricon 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your video.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome
@caseyjohnson6573
@caseyjohnson6573 3 жыл бұрын
What about thinset/taping the seams?
@robertbaker50
@robertbaker50 3 жыл бұрын
Is it ok that I'm installing underlayment over the old subfloor, then I will lay the concrete board on top of that?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
As long as its solid you should be good
@robertbaker50
@robertbaker50 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 do I even need another underlayment since technically concrete board is.
@bec5gtr
@bec5gtr 2 жыл бұрын
So is that a modified thinset then?
@ericks141
@ericks141 3 ай бұрын
Great, thank you !
@21gonza21
@21gonza21 3 жыл бұрын
Why not use that thin set and lay the tile over the plywood?
@kenhoward127
@kenhoward127 3 жыл бұрын
It will crack in time... sooner than later.
@21gonza21
@21gonza21 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenhoward127 so that means it’s useless why bother to use it on the cement board?
@kenhoward127
@kenhoward127 3 жыл бұрын
@@21gonza21 I'm sorry, you lost me... what's useless? Use what on the cement board?
@kenhoward127
@kenhoward127 3 жыл бұрын
@@21gonza21 Let me add something. By using the backer board, you are creating a monolithic layer on which to lay tile. This layer, while bonded with thinset to the subfloor, acts to isolate the tile from the expansion and contraction of the subfloor. In other words, the thinset under the backerboard might develop cracks, but this will not and cannot transfer to the tile with a proper installation. Of course you could always use a decoupling membrane. It costs more but is a lot faster. For both, the deflection of the subfloor must be factored in based on what type of tile you are using, e.g. stone, marble, ceramic, porcelain, etc.
@kenhoward127
@kenhoward127 3 жыл бұрын
@Halo jump simple, because that method is totally wrong and will result in cracked tiles. Also it will not destroy the subfloor. I know because I have demolished the same install.
@99luftbaloons1
@99luftbaloons1 4 жыл бұрын
I have a tongue and groove hardwood subfloor, can I use a thin plywood or would you recommend I use 3/4 plywood underneath the durarock?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
I always use three quarter inch tongue and groove plywood glued and screwed...Don't go thin and cheap you will regret it later
@99luftbaloons1
@99luftbaloons1 4 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 thank you!
@libertyvilleguy2903
@libertyvilleguy2903 8 ай бұрын
Good video, thank you.
@RileyRiley-u2w
@RileyRiley-u2w 10 ай бұрын
This was helpful, thanks
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 10 ай бұрын
your welcome
@howardiko7156
@howardiko7156 3 жыл бұрын
Not thrilled with Durock how about Schulder over wood?
@muddyriverdogz
@muddyriverdogz 3 жыл бұрын
It used more than any othey tile backer for a reason.
@vertihvost7675
@vertihvost7675 4 жыл бұрын
So you fill plywood expansion joints with thinset?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.. I'm in northern Illinois so I'm not sure if you would do that in your region
@justinthornton3455
@justinthornton3455 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 mee too im in Montgomery laying tile in a 8×24 mudroom
@jerryventura7589
@jerryventura7589 3 жыл бұрын
What is your purpose for using thinset? Wouldn't that create a huge problem for the next guy. Say the home owner wanted to remove the tile years down the line that thinset may pull up the plywood.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
It's the only way to install it void free.. I don't know any pro tile guy that doesn't do it..the durock install book also says to use it.
@davenag957
@davenag957 3 жыл бұрын
If the finished floor thickness isn't an issue, add a layer of 1/4" or 3/8 A/C plywood, not Luan plywood, using about a million narrow crown staples before the durock. Stagger all the seams. The staples must penetrate the subfloor for proper holding power. This adds floor rigidity and allows for future removal without destroying the structural integrity of the sub floor plywood. Its also good for covering 1x subfloor boards.. Use mortar and 1-5/8 durock screws to fasten it all together as shown in video. Bulletproof installation, yet removable down the road.
@douglasschmidt9929
@douglasschmidt9929 3 жыл бұрын
I pity the contractor that remodels after all the bath and kitchen floors I have remodeled. I am so happy when I remodel and the previous contractor did not use durorock and thinset. lol Good thing Im getting closer to retiring !
@gregwicking7688
@gregwicking7688 3 жыл бұрын
I try to explain to my customers that tile is meant to last a lifetime. If you want to change it every 6 to 10 , or less , years. Carpet or vinyl is what you want.
@DebbieTomkoSUNSHINE
@DebbieTomkoSUNSHINE 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, can I install mine on top of my cedar decking boards without putting a subfloor over it, if I use 1/2 " backer board? I have an enclosed deck.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
Thats tricky, If your in a climate where there is not big temperature swings than probably
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 жыл бұрын
No, don't do it! Cedar is very weak. If you do that you can be assured of cracks. If you have an old tongue and groove subfloor made of cedar/pine, it's always a good idea to screw it down and put at least 5/8 plywood on top before cement board. The cement board is deceptive in that it doesn't add to the deflection rating of a floor. It simply gives a proper base for the tile. Also, you have to embed the cement board into mortar like this guy is doing and that require a continuous floor with no gaps.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@MyFortressConstruction If you lay plywood over a weak subfloor, you still have a weak subfloor.
@MyFortressConstruction
@MyFortressConstruction 3 жыл бұрын
@@markme4 I'm sure you already know this, but if you have too much deflection in your joists then, yes, plywood won't help much. But there are many things that go into the rigidity and solidness of the floor. Joist deflection is one thing, then vibration, twisting, etc. An L500+ rated floor can still feel weak if it has too much vibration. However, the poster was talking about putting cemwnt board directly on cedar deck boards. Definitely not a good idea just due to the movement of those boards. Plywood is dimensionally stable in all directions and makes a hood subfloor base. Now, if the joists underneath are spaced too far apart, or aren't supported enough for the type of joists they are, then that problem would have to be addressed beforehand. That is why a contractor needs to look at a project before giving any determination on anything. There are many variables to any job.
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@MyFortressConstruction Agreed
@erickmonge3632
@erickmonge3632 3 жыл бұрын
U dont leave a 1/8 inc space between sheets?
@sergiogonzales3218
@sergiogonzales3218 3 жыл бұрын
Which side does the board need to be showing the smooth side or the rough side?
@ccas1318
@ccas1318 3 жыл бұрын
great video.. good information.. was that 1/2 inch or 1/4 inch thick?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
1/4
@scottstaffen588
@scottstaffen588 2 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 and with the 1/4 x 1/4 thin set underneath, it would make the total install about 3/8" above the plywood subfloor (1/4 cement board plus about 1/8 thin set when pressed)?
@FromTheHood2TheWoods
@FromTheHood2TheWoods 3 жыл бұрын
Is it bad to use impact drill.
@keithbartlett6708
@keithbartlett6708 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing knowledge!
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@joejanitor8410
@joejanitor8410 2 жыл бұрын
I will make sure I do it like this professional as I do thing right as I’m not an easy quitter and push hard while on the shitter ,
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
LOL thats a good one
@randelrobbins1408
@randelrobbins1408 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@bretttrimble3401
@bretttrimble3401 4 жыл бұрын
How thick should I have the thin set ?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
1/4 inch for 1/4 inch or 3/8 for 1/2 inch duroc
@shaquillefarrington1310
@shaquillefarrington1310 3 жыл бұрын
I build a deck can I put the durock direct on my rafter?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
No you can't do that you have to add wood first
@meltaylor9116
@meltaylor9116 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job
@shenoyglobal
@shenoyglobal 2 жыл бұрын
why not shulter kerdi product instead of cement board..?
@rcaltamira
@rcaltamira 2 жыл бұрын
What is the durox size?
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 2 жыл бұрын
3x5
@abrahamramirez1940
@abrahamramirez1940 3 жыл бұрын
Can I use liquid sub floor nails
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
I would not
@wildwoodtop
@wildwoodtop 3 жыл бұрын
3:00 I didn't see any thinset bubbles 🤨 you know like you did as a child blow bubbles with Bubblegum 😋
@MIZUNOMP60
@MIZUNOMP60 3 жыл бұрын
How long do you let it set before you begin tiling? thx
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
I like 24 hours
@MIZUNOMP60
@MIZUNOMP60 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 thx :-)
@pokerchannel6991
@pokerchannel6991 3 жыл бұрын
I have never heard of cement boards. None the less, I realize now that they can fit 5x9 ping pong table well. Can these 3x5 boards be easily made into an out door pingpong table? thx.
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think so they're pretty porus and very gritty
@pokerchannel6991
@pokerchannel6991 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 damn! I was hoping I could find some decent configuration boards that fit the project easily. I guess I can special order 5x5 plywood. : ) Paint for weather proofing. thx : )
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 3 жыл бұрын
Look for a local plastics manufacturer you can get half inch thick plastic or lexan cut to any size you want.. there's a white plastic they make I can't remember what it's called there's a dealer near me called Abbott plastics
@shaddism
@shaddism 4 жыл бұрын
Do you prime the floor in a bathroom before using the thinset? I have a wood subfloor. Surprisingly it’s completely level (I’m shocked and questioning this) so I didn’t end up using the self leveler. So I’m wondering if there’s anything special about making bathrooms waterproof. would you use primer or waterproofing under the thinset and cement board? Any advice you could offer about doing this in a bathroom would be great
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
I would not use a primer on top of your wood it would decrease the adhesion of your thinset
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
And don't use that self leveling junk....
@addismultitasking3504
@addismultitasking3504 4 жыл бұрын
I have a dura roc video on the dos and donts of cement board
@markme4
@markme4 3 жыл бұрын
@@addismultitasking3504 Why don't you like level quick? I've never heard anyone refer to it as junk.
@danielspanu6914
@danielspanu6914 3 жыл бұрын
So that's mean when you Install tile you have to step over to take the air bubble? 🤔
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