DUST COLLECTION ... Is Centrifugal Worth the COST? Plus an Interesting SHOP Update!

[@matthiaswandel]

I'm very skeptical of these centrifugal separators. A conventional cyclone will spin the air a lot more, separating more dust, than just the half a turn or so that the air ends up doing in a centrifugal separator. Plus they easily plug up. But they do look very cool!

[@johnfrederickson3082]

Mathias, what do you think of having the holes in the top of the lid back to back maximizing the turn to .75 or more?

[@danmoyer8191]

Totally agree. I used a similar system years ago before investing in a cyclone. The 'barrel separator' allowed a lot of dust to flow into the dust collectors bag once it got over 50% full. Worked well when the barrel was empty, as shown in this video. Not so well when the barrel was over 50% full.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you for your insight Matthias. And thanks for being here brother. Means a lot

[@LutherBuilds]

@@danmoyer8191 This is my thought as well. A Thien baffle setup could help eliminate this problem.

[@jcsboardshack]

I had the rockler DIY collector, and it was horrible. About half full barrel and it would start sucking into the bag. I read online some engineer said it really doesn’t make a cyclone in the barrel. The air inside tries to go from the in port to the out port across the top of the barrel. The air never swirls. Therefore very disruptive inside the barrel. I ended up adding the Dust Deputy. Solved.

[@C-M-E]

Totally with you on individual, smaller machines for dedicated units. For the cost of ducting alone, you can buy a few dozen 5-650CFM 4 inch units, which is just nuts. They all come from China regardless of brand, so I look at volts/amps and the typical quality checks. On my CNC, I have a 600 CFM unit set up right below it that is essentially an open air scavenge unit with a sizable hood. I picked up a few pallets of scrap material from a local aerospace manufacturer several years ago, who also happened to have a bunch of Nordfab ducting going to scrap. I asked if I could snag that too while I was there, and they were Super cool when I told them what I'd be using some of it for (foundry furnace ducting and experimental jet engines, initially). The CNC came much later, which is when I found the value of having some salvageable sections and the clamps. Now I did a ton of research prior to picking up that smaller dust collector and knew all about how to make an extremely efficient centrifugal separator, but the sticking point for me is how much airflow you're sacrificing just to semi-pressurize the collection volume. Then on the back end, you're choking off all the flow with either a huge filter or a bag. What I ended up doing was using a few short sections and gentle bends to put the hood towards the front of my CNC between the Y axis rails in the general direction the chips are flung towards, utilize the high velocity airflow from the exhaust side to run through a shortened length through a window opening and dump into a covered yard dump cart outside my little home shop. Without all the typical restrictions, I can get some crazy good flow that will pull anything airborne right off the bit, and am thinking about adding a small ancillary fan to the other end directed towards the hood for assisting the long cuts out of reach.

[@TheCHRISCaPWN]

I literally bought my first dust collector yesterday. I still have to put it together, but I want to turn it into a 2 stage, so this timing couldn't have been better. You are amazing Chris!

[@nickgiles7310]

I was really struggling with what I was going to use for my new 650 cfm dust collector, and this helped me realize that I made the right decision. Thanks man!

[@hollandcustomwoodworking5932]

Those bullwhips are the wife’s, that’s how she keeps you in line isn’t it? 😂. I understand brother, my wife has her own too

[@bskelly]

Funny how they were hidden in his shop! LOL!

[@hollandcustomwoodworking5932]

I used to hide the belt from my dad, I know how this works 😂😂

[@dewster1966]

Starting a small shop in the garage.. too much dust! My lungs hate me, too! I'm working on low to no budget. I have a Ridged vacuum medium sized. Does good but filter clogs. I saw a 5 gal buckets stacked as a cyclone... I've got access to free 50 plastic drums but they are one piece. So I was able to cut the top off, plastic below was 1/2" smaller diameter then the rest of the barrel.. long story shorter it slides tightly together. Works good are a dust cyclone. Zero dust in the Shop Vac! When I get more funds I'm going to move to a blower unit like you have hung on the wall.

[@scottmorris4914]

Great video, as always. I bought the Rockler Dust-rite 4” kit, and they we very easy to install, no screws needed. The pieces have threads so you can screw the two pieces together. I still have some dust that makes its way through to the bag, but it is the very fine dust. Of course the fine dust is so light, it doesn’t;t fall to the bottom of the separator. I think it may be because I am using the 1250 CFM model. The Jet centrifugal , I have heard it has problems with getting clogged more than the drum one Chris built, dust that is stringy especially. For the barrel, you can get a 31 gallon garbage can at HD or Lowes for $32.

[@baba-sm1fm]

Besides the great video on the separator, I love your communication style, lighthearted and so funny!!

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you very much for this

[@brentfowler2317]

Pretty cool Chris. Thank you for sharing brother.

[@BronkBuilt]

Thanks Chris. Just shows that higher price does not always mean higher performance.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thanks Dale. Ain’t that the truth

[@nigelboucher2014]

I also had a makita hand held vacuum for my shed . I don’t have it anymore as my wife claimed it for the Kitchen😡

[@michaelm077]

Great comparison of the two systems that you’re currently using, the economics of both your systems are great compared to a whole shop system. But eventually a whole shop system may come into play due to your growth. Love your videos and God Bless you and the family.

[@malonecustomdesigns]

Great video. That shop has changed so much since you built it!!! Congrats on all the business!!

[@wadesam6232]

Chris - hate to say it, but eventually you will want a larger dust collector. The DustRite 1250 comes with a remote control. Especially useful when connecting the CNC, Table Saw, Band Saw, Sanders......etc. Otherwise great video as always. Keep up the good fight and I always look forward to seeing your latest adventure. Dang it, wrote this before watching the entire video. Sounds like you want to have several dust collection systems. Don't quite understand why, but to each their own.😉

[@LutherBuilds]

That tip of adding an outlet on a french cleat was 🔥

[@TimRoyalPastortim]

You should knock out a Thein Baffle on your CNC (good project for the DIY version) and do a comparison to that! I would definitely be interested

[@PedroTheManTheLegand]

The level of your organization for things on the wall makes my OCD very happy lol

[@CrayFishHandMade]

Awesome to hear your shop business is killing it, dam almost time for a bigger shop by look of things... Supper helpful content thank you ever so much...

[@mattmayes599]

Thanks for the review.... I was wondering which would be better and how much of a difference. Great stuff 👍👊

[@David.M.]

Great review Chris. I have a very small shop and I use the Home Depot Dust Stopper on a 5 gallon bucket. For me it works well.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you David hope all is well happy new year

[@RussWilsonII]

Hey Chris! Where would you suggest we find a similar 55 gallon drum/lid? Thanks for the amazing content!

[@woodnbobberworkshop]

Another Fun video! Thanks! I love to see your excitement in a new business venture! Thanks for another great video!

[@patchesofgreen3832]

I appreciate the unbiased advice.

[@toolstime6528]

I really like how you organize your workshop!

[@SawdustmakerLori]

Great video and very helpful information Chris! Thanks for doing the comparison and giving your honest opinion. Wishing you and your family a WONDERFUL NEW YEAR!!! Looking forward to another year of your creative video's.

[@LutherBuilds]

I've seen that Jet Cyclone on Home Depot's website and was wondering how it fared. Good to know that the other one did a better job. I made a Thien baffle setup for my barrel and dust collector that works well. But I'm not sure it's much better or necessary than the two port $20 setup you show. It was a lot of work to make.

[@awlthatwoodcrafts8911]

I'd be curious to know what the actual airflow measurements are, i.e. how much does each one degrade the airflow. I started out using a 12-gal Ridgid vacuum and the Dustopper, from Home Depot. After watching a bunch of videos on dust collection systems, I bought a $30 anemometer from Amazon and used it to compare the airflow directly from the vacuum versus the Dustopper. At the inlet of the vacuum, I got 180 cfm. At the end of the hose, connected to the Dustopper, I got 80 cfm. That's when I knew I needed something bigger. I bought the Dust Right 750 Mobile Dust Collector. The first thing I did after assembling it was test the airflow at the inlet. I initially found some air leakage around the cannister filter but after fixing that, I measured 500 cfm. It's supposed to be a 750 cfm unit. At the end of about 8 ft of flexible hose, it's more like 425 cfm. I also bought a cyclone separator lid for a trash can (from Woodcraft) but I haven't hooked it up to my Dust Right 750 as I'm concerned about how much effect it will have on the airflow. That's why I'm curious about how much your two separator systems affect the airflow of your two Dust Right machines. There is no doubt that the separators do a great job at separating, but at what cost to your airflow. That's the real measure of their worth, in my opinion.

[@PaulHanak]

Hey FYI, there is another video out there doing exactly what you asked. Im sure you could find it via search. He compared a traditional cyclone to this jet. TL;DR, the cyclone collected more dust, however the jet torpedo provided more cfm.

[@awlthatwoodcrafts8911]

@@PaulHanak I saw that shortly after seeing this video. I commented on it, too.

[@oldmanwithaplan7982]

Interesting review. I’m trying to sort how to up my dust collection in my half a two car garage space - so nothing as big as yours but no less important.

[@Jose-Ricardo]

Thank you bro! Always useful information

[@johndietz1266]

Thanks for the great video! I was just wondering what size is the barrel your using and where did you buy it?

[@AGlimpseInside]

55 gal and from Oneida Uline has them to for cheaper But you have a modify them a bit more. Really not a big deal though save yourself some money

[@tom.coomes]

Just a thought, do you think you have enough inventory to justify another smaller shop building to store it? That could improve your shop work flow. Maybe keep your inventory as well as your packaging/shipping station. Thanks again for another great video. Stay safe!

[@marvthecarpenter]

Two things. 1st you can get a pair of scissors designed to work with duct tape. They might may dealing with flex tape easier. I think they are made by Fiskars and have a lime green handle. 2nd you mentioned that the table saw his it's own dedicated system. So my question then is if it has a system why is there that much debris left inside the table saw? I am really gonna venture that I missed something in the process since I'm so tired but................

[@AGlimpseInside]

It’s because over the past three years I haven’t emptied it out. And it’s just residual dust from a long time. Thanks for the tip on the scissors.

[@marvthecarpenter]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[@woodaddict1]

Thanks for the info. That Dust Right seems loud? What is the RPM on the motor?

[@AGlimpseInside]

Not sure of the RPM but it’s not as loud as you might think. Be the camera picked it up a bit noisier than it is in real life

[@billdiehl156]

Thanks for all the information, Chris!

[@OverlandTrailer]

Great vid Chris! Love the comparison

[@jezaelp]

Hey Bud. I can't wait to see the new CNC Is it multiple tools what software are going to use for programming. Brother you're living the dream. God bless you and your family. From Cypress Texas your amigo ( friend) in Spanish. Please keep inspiring us with your good information thank you so much.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Are use the same software. It’s able to except a flash drive with the same exact files and will cut just like my original CNC does. Thank you so much Mann I appreciate the kind words

[@richragan4810]

First all the best to you and your beautiful family for 2022 and beyond! I always look forward to your videos so send more!! :))) This was a very fair and honest evaluation and also enjoy seeing I'm not the only one who makes mistakes! Can't wait to see your new CNC. Only wish I had the space for one! Oh and By The Way I am envying your nice weather. Here is Lancaster PA it's still about 20 degress with tonights 10!! Peace be with you Chris!

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you Rich. I appreciate the kind words and your support really. I mean that. Just saw your order come in I’ll get it out to you tomorrow brother thank you again

[@richragan4810]

@@AGlimpseInside You're welcome Chris. I'll be ordering more!

[@GarrySanchez]

Your products are great. Can't wait to place another order to straighten up my garage!

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you so much it means a lot

[@dewster1966]

Have you thought about putting the Cyclone on the CNC to see how much dust makes it to the filter.. that would be an interesting video. 1 week with one and 1 with the other...

[@aaronbanach9057]

Curious, how big is your shop? Moving into a new house with a big garage and trying to get an idea of my setup.

[@tuanas458]

Thanks.

[@stevenkofoed1698]

Great job Chris, very informative! Thanks

[@54mgtf22]

Good man. Love your work 👍

[@nolanstevenson3510]

I wonder if swapping the separators will be more effective with the centrifugal separation on the tools that might kick bigger chips. Just a thought

[@AGlimpseInside]

Definitely a good thought. I do know bigger chips clog the centrifugal one but it’s definitely worth a shot. Thank you

[@CLoveIN123]

Great video, I was wondering if you would follow up after YCMT2 did his review. Thanks for not holding back and providing an honest review. I have wanted the Rocker system for a few months now and this may have pushed me over the edge. 😉 hope you and the family are well, God Bless!

[@BossmanEight]

Yeah, probably just going to stick with my Dust Deputy. Of course, I'm not a commercial woodworker and I don't do CNC.

[@sureshot311]

How about mountable chisel holders? Or hand saws? Thank you! Great work

[@michaelheemstra3559]

Is this something that could be used with a shop vac? I am still early on in my woodworking journey and upgrading my shop vac for $20 would be great. Could I use this with my shop vac and a HEPA filter untill I can afford to upgrade to a full on dust collector or does a shop vac not move enough cfm to make it work?

[@WarrickTaylor]

You can definitely use a shop vac with a basic separator. I've got that setup and it works with the cheapest shop vac I could find and a cheap plastic cyclone attached to a 15 litre bucket. 5 gallon I think. Lots of videos, including an awesome one from Chris Notap I'd recommend

[@GyWO10]

Thanks for sharing another amazing tool review/compare! Keep on doing big things brother!!! 👊🏽

[@pocketbass]

Awesome video and super informative. Looks like it’s time to expand 😃. Just got the first part of my ClearVue in. Making the dream shop so figured I should keep it up with the dust collection as well

[@msbechtold]

Love your videos, especially when you interact with kids. Where did you find the phone controlled outlet? Your description above does not list it. I have seen other use keychain version as well. Just interested for my dust collector control.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you Mike. Are use a company called KSA. They’re all over Amazon it’s a whole smart home system that’s easily controlled with one app. From plugs to cameras to thermostats all that good stuff it just happens to be the one I chose because it was available and pretty inexpensive

[@jerrodc8743]

Can you share where you got your barrel? I’ve looked online and only seem to find plastic ones with horror stories about them imploding.

[@AGlimpseInside]

So I debated getting my barrels from two different places. The first was Uline. They are about half the cost of where I got mine from, Oneida. However the Uline barrels are manufactured to be 100% airtight at the top. And the Oneida ones are. I’m sure the ones from Uline would work. However I bought My two barrels from Oneida

[@ehuffstutlar]

Can you / do you use the collected saw dust for anything? I personally like finding a use for any and all scraps in my shop. Just curious?

[@AGlimpseInside]

Not necessarily. I’ll make a little bit of wood filler but that’s about it. Any more suggestions I’d like to know?

[@LesAT49]

Hey great video, I saw the remote app you used to turn on the system, where do you get the app and the hardware necessary to set that up?

[@AGlimpseInside]

Search Amazon or google for kasa smart devices We have all thing Kasa and love it

[@scottsimpey2965]

What model is your cordless vacuum that you said you keep in your shop?

[@johnleonard5857]

Great video. I think I will try the latest version as well. 2 questions. Where did you get the drums from? Can you put a garbage bag inside the drum so it is easier to empty when the time comes?

[@AGlimpseInside]

I bought the drums from Oneida as they have all of the airtight fittings involved. You can get drums from Uline as well but I don’t believe they have the airtight fittings like the ones from Oneida. The cost difference is pretty big to. Check out those two places and see what you like. And no you cannot put a trash bag in the trash bag we just get sucked up into the holes of the cyclonic system creating a blockage

[@johnleonard5857]

@@AGlimpseInside thank you and damn it. 😂

[@scottrudy6736]

What do you do with the waste? Is there something better to do with it than just tossing it?

[@AGlimpseInside]

I offer it up on Facebook marketplace. Some people use it as mulch other people use it to stretch out there cat litter of all things lol

[@Bob-More-Than-Enough-WC]

can you point me to the "smart switch" for your electrical outlet? Thanks!!

[@dirkdiggler5037]

I was digging through comments here to find this out too

[@AGlimpseInside]

Kasa Is the brand. They have cameras smart switches and all kinds of good stuff

[@CarlosHernandez-yt6pt]

Really good to know. THANKS

[@thomasleahy3767]

Man i love your channel!!!

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you brother that means so much

[@Andrew_Sherman]

So I found this and your other separator video after you responded to my comment on the Dust collector initial set up video. (If you can't tell I'm binging your content 🤣) What I'm kinda curious on is that you used to use a trash can during your initial setup of the Jet system. Did you just get away from it because it was easier to manage the amount of dust you create with a barrel? Was there another issue with the trash can I missed while binging the content? And one last question, did you ever try a large trash bag on the inside of the trash can with either the Jet System or a large trash bag on the inside of the barrel of your new Amazon set up? I ask because I'm building a new shed shop myself and I dust collection is always a pain, replacing a large trash bag would probably be more efficient for me, but I'm unsure if it would work or mess up the way the system works. Thank you for the fast responses. I mean your first response was to a 2 year old video and was within hours man. You are seriously an inspiration......

[@AGlimpseInside]

First of all thank you for checking everything out and for your kind words. To answer your question about the trashcan it was still a viable option. I just decided to get two barrels to have them match and so they would be a bit more durable moving forward. But no issue with the trashcan. You also can’t put a trash bag inside or it will just suction up and block everything. Because the dust still have to come up and out of the barrel once the larger particles are deposited of airflow will just get sucked back in bringing the bag with it. Hope this helps and again thanks so much

[@AGlimpseInside]

First of all thank you for checking everything out and for your kind words. To answer your question about the trashcan it was still a viable option. I just decided to get two barrels to have them match and so they would be a bit more durable moving forward. But no issue with the trashcan. You also can’t put a trash bag inside or it will just suction up and block everything. Because the dust still has to come up and out of the barrel once the larger particles are deposited all the airflow will just get sucked back in bringing the bag with it. Hope this helps and again thanks so much

[@Andrew_Sherman]

@@AGlimpseInside it does help, thank you so much!

[@hollandcustomwoodworking5932]

Hey bud, how’s the fam? Thanks for sharing another great video!

[@spacekb17]

Those are likely ACME threads on the ball screws you're talking about

[@rodpotts2666]

Great idea. We don’t want to lose another to the CNC.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thanks man. But what do you mean lose another

[@rodpotts2666]

There have been a few KZbinrs that have just gone full cnc videos. And I understand you have to do what ya gotta do in business 100% . I for one love your shop builds it just feels more personal .and that’s usually what we get and you look like your having fun doing them. 100% a fan probably my favorite KZbin personality.

[@AGlimpseInside]

@@rodpotts2666 thank you brother. It’s going to be a mix here for sure. But I’m gonna stick to the roots no worries. Thank you for the kind words I really appreciate it

[@MrUSNMasterChief]

Hi Chris, I have a question for you. Where did you find your steel drums? Was it U-Line or some other place. Thanks... Love your channel

[@AGlimpseInside]

I got mine from Oneida. Those come with all of the seals in order to make it completely airtight. You can also buy them from Uline However I’m not sure if they come completely sealed. The ones from Uline are considerably less

[@MrUSNMasterChief]

@@AGlimpseInside Thank you very much Chris for your info. I think I might use U-Line. Oneida is pricy.

[@mariushegli]

I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

[@exotictones1054]

I yelled at my phone that you didn't cut out the inside hole.but guess you couldn't hear me.i tried.good stuff.

[@stomperthemixer1]

Happy New Year Chris, hope you and your family had an amazing and magical Christmas, amazing set up and as you say it works for you. stay safe buddy.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you buddy I hope you had a great new year as well. Cheers and as always great to hear from you

[@spacekb17]

How did you decide how much inventory to hold?

[@shopbilt]

Looks like you need a commercial space with a few CNC machines

[@AGlimpseInside]

That would be a dream come true to be able to separate these two endeavors, video creation plus product development. But I have to be here at the house for now. Maybe in the future that’s the goal

[@robertsanderford2643]

That’s why you always make a copy of the templates.

[@gustaveliasson5395]

7:37 Why does that lid have two inlet holes, but no outlet hole?

[@kurtopalka5201]

I like the brown hat! Great video man!

[@AGlimpseInside]

I’ll send you one if you promise to keep it away from your dog lol

[@kurtopalka5201]

@@AGlimpseInside lol that dog of mine is like a garbage disposal 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@johnfrederickson3082]

Super vid.

[@richragan4810]

Well done Chris!! AS Usual! Love my new shelf supports!!!

[@AGlimpseInside]

Thank you Rich means a lot brother

[@guybowers9094]

Are the dust collection motors 110 or 220 connection.

[@AGlimpseInside]

Both are 110

[@guybowers9094]

@@AGlimpseInside thanks, that's good as I have a couple places I could set it up in the shop

[@chriscastle4503]

Where did you find your barrels?

[@AGlimpseInside]

I got mine from Oneida. I just called them and order them. But you lied has them for a bit cheaper but they don’t have the necessary holes cut for you

[@AGlimpseInside]

Uline.com

[@pejmanroshan8224]

I bought the Jet cyclonic separator based off your earlier video and I was really disappointed. Lots of dust and chips made it into the collector and it clogged when using the planer and jointer. Big thumbs down. I returned mine to Home Depot and bought a super dust deputy and it is night and day. really happy with the the SDD.

[@AGlimpseInside]

No thanks for the vote of confidence. Sorry it didn’t work out for you. Glad Home Depot took it back. It’s clearly not the superior system but I’m gonna keep it because it works for the CNC because there’s minimal chips. Thanks for letting me know and I appreciate your honesty brother

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

News for you- a cyclone IS a centrifugal separator.

[@jakesteel3641]

Make your own mdf by adding minimum resign to the excess saw dust you collect and put in a square mold. Great recycling project to use to make more tool holders etc..

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty interesting systems indeed, Chris! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 😃 For now all I have is a vacuum cleaner, a bucket and a cyclone separator... 😂 But it's working fine for now. 😊 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@marvthecarpenter]

So you are/can run a dust collection system from just a shop vac being the motor for it?? What is the size ratio of container vs bag for a standard shop vac?

[@MCsCreations]

@@marvthecarpenter It's a pretty small shop... And it's just my hobby, you know? So I made a small plywood cart where the vacuum cleaner and bucket stay... And I pull it to each tool as I need it. But it's not a shop vac, it's really a small vacuum cleaner. It's all I have for now. 😬

[@marvthecarpenter]

@@MCsCreations Could you share a pic of your cart? I'm having trouble visualizing this. Thanks.

[@MCsCreations]

@@marvthecarpenter Sure. I'm going to take a picture later and post to my community tab. Then I let you know. 😊

[@MCsCreations]

@@marvthecarpenter I just found an older picture in my smartphone and posted there. 😊 What I wrote there is in Portuguese (I'm from Brazil), but there's an English version in the end. 😊

[@konamanstudio2447]

👍🏻🍻🍺😊

[@robey60]

You are in Jax, FL?

[@AGlimpseInside]

Yeah man!

[@robey60]

@@AGlimpseInside Any possible way I could tour your shop?

[@AGlimpseInside]

I do make her meet ups from time to time through Instagram. The people I’ve connected with on there see what they’re all about. And then they’ll get the invite. Hope you understand this necessary step in this crazy world. It’s really the only platform you can really get to know somebody without ever meeting them