How Techno was born: From Detroit to Berlin and back

[@CuriouzComedian]

Techno is everything. I'm 72 and dance on it ever Saturday and Sunday from midnight till 5 in the morning, but without alcohol or any drugs, totally sober. I drink only water.

[@jeonlyxoxo]

I got you. A good real techno set. You don’t need nothing. Just water. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@CoffeeAndPaul]

47 & the main reason I keep in shape & flexible is so I can keep dancing. Massv respekt!

[@waldwassermann]

That's OK. I still love you man.

[@waldwassermann]

Yes. I know we came out of the water too. Good to keep it handy. @@jeonlyxoxo

[@osalas36]

This is gonna be me. Even if I'm 90, my nursing home companions are gonna hate me blasting my techno

[@AZ-vv1rf]

As a Berliner, it's weird to me, that the city still continues to get praise for it's clubs and the music being played there. We are weeell past the glory days and everything has been long commercialized and washed down by way too many and too generic DJs. And the city does it's best to actually kill off the parts of the scene, that still have a DIY element to it and where people are actually about creativity and not about "I've played in *insert famous club*", by shutting down venues and criminalizing raves. I'd love to see this music grow somewhere else, where the grass is still wet.

[@gehtdichnichtsan2477]

yeah you absolutely right , but its still on a another level in comparison to other citys... where you have maybe 2 Techno Clubs. And a bad Techno Club in Berlin, is a very good Techno Club in most of the Citys in the World. There are other Party Citys, but come on Ibiza or what? :D You have a privileged perspective! But sadly to much Yuppies in Berlin

[@stefanz9485]

I started going to techno parties in Berlin in early 91. I moved to Berlin shortly afterwards. I am now 51 and still enjoy going to clubs here. While indeed some things were different in the 90s, the spirit is still alive in some places, and we still have a bunch of great clubs and a ton of great folks here. And the past is the past - we can’t go back. Compared to other cities, Berlin still has the best clubs/scene, and I am grateful for that

[@ginzo666]

Yeah, the rave scene in the US died in the 90s really. The RAVE Act, of 2001 sponsored by Joe Biden of all things, was the final nail in the coffin. If some of these amazing old school DJs like Jeff Mills, etc. can make good money playing these festivals, then great for them!

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for sharing your opinion! A lot has definitely changed in the last few decades.

[@Ontime2day]

come to the southeast UNITED STATES. its alive and well

[@Aceman4Ever]

I am German, 1984, Techno is something that reaches me on a very deep level. Amazing emotions and I love to dance to it. I never took ecstasy because this amazing feeling comes naturally, just through the music. I can not explain why I love Techno so much more than other music genres.Sometimes when I listen and dance to a good DJ it feels like tribal music, a trance that I naturally love to move to. It feels like it actives stored emotions/instincs from the past. It also helps me imminently to let go of stress and anxiety because of the positive emotions I get from it. I cannot explain it differently, sorry.

[@fellahamine7068]

I think that my experience has been similar to yours. I naturally enjoy techno without the need to take any drugs. People notice that I'm having a lot of fun and approach me asking for drugs. It's sad when you see a lot of young people becoming dependant on drugs in order to have a good time.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

I think you explained it beautifully. Thanks for sharing!

[@funkndeep]

Yes! Same here! A natural, spiritual high 😌🕺🏻🔊

[@funkndeep]

​@@fellahamine7068this happens to me ALL the time. People always ask me if I'm rolling and I get so sad when they ask me this. The music is enough 🖤

[@Aceman4Ever]

@@fellahamine7068 your experience being asked for drugs matches mine. Frequently people notice how I am having a great time and think „I must be on something good“. Once somebody even got aggressive because he would not believe that I am not on something and that I have nothing. He thought I was ditching/lying to him and he wanted to kick my ass! 😝. Also good to hear that are people out there that feel the same.

[@EvanJKwok]

The rave is one of the most important spaces in society, influencing the zeitgeist, fashion, music & culture of society. In today's society it's one of the few spaces that brings together people from all backgrounds in presence, in a low state of ego, for extended periods. A medium & a melting pot for self expression & the opening of the mind. A microcosm of possibility. Techno's true power is it's ability to act like a decentralised, communal, global glue, helping us to realise how we are all connected through the universal language of sound.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and our community.

[@bakerg_]

wow, thanks for sharing this words man ❤

[@dumpsky]

that's actually very nicely put.

[@femmegem1394]

Facts

[@EvanJKwok]

I've been lucky to live around the world & attend so many different music events spending the last 4 in London. My appreciation for techno grew when I travelled to Leipzig & Berlin for a month to see if I want to move there. While I was dancing on stage at Sisyphos, I looked down & it was one of those surreal moments where you think where I am, what world is this, this is surreal. I saw so many faces, stories, energies, forms of expression all dancing together as one & I thought this is how the world can be! As someone who tends to overthink & philosophise a lot a rave helps me get out of my head & also move my body in ways I didn't think possible. I always meet so many interesting ppl!

[@ntro9347]

It's a bit unfortunate that there is no mention of what happened before Detroit. In particular Kraftwerk, EBM, New Beat from Belgium, the New Wave and Italo disco scene were hugely important in shaping that Detroit techno sound. It's also safe to say that it is not just Berlin that has been important over the years. Warp records were doing techno way before Berlin, we had Djax up Beats in The Netherlands, hugely underrated is the scene from The Hague Netherlands (Bunker Records, I-F, Unit Moebius, Legowelt, etc) who have been largely responsible for the electro revival. Berlin is cool, but a wee bit hyped and way past the early days of Basic Channel and Hardwax.

[@0x0abb]

Right. And let’s not forget Industrial or sometimes called Electro - Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry

[@pistolen87]

Hear hear!

[@memmem77]

@@0x0abb exactly, first techno from Germany is from the mid 80s

[@dennisgamble7901]

This has an agenda and telling the truth would go against it

[@johanemaposse6005]

Might I recommend the "welcome to the eighties" series from Arte?

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Dear users, because many of you have asked for the tracks from this episode of 'Arts Unveiled', we are posting them here in the comments. We couldn't reconstruct some tracks, so we rely on your help. If you notice anything missing, please post it under this comment, and we will continuously update the list. Thanks for your support! Tracklist: How Techno was Born 0:15 - 0:25 Reality - Ellen Allien (BPitch Control) 0:35 - 0:42 Clear - Cybotron (Fantasy) 0:50 - 1:05 Autobahn - Barrie Gledden et al (Audio Network) 1:10 - 1:30 Berlin Minimal - George Giorgia (Audio Network) 1:45 - 2:15 Cyber Trolls - Igor Dvorkin et al (Audio Network) 3:05 - 3:25 Sound vom loop Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 3:35 - 3:50 Session 1 - Juan Atkins (Tresor Records) 3:50 - 4:05 Blake Baxter @ Loveparade 1996 Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 4:25 - 4:35 Alleys of your Mind - Cybotron (Deep Space) 4:50 - 5:05 Alleys of your Mind - Cybotron (Deep Space) 6:07 - 6:26 Detroitism (Generator) -DJ T-1000 8:45 - 8:58 Detroitism (Generator) -DJ T-1000 6:33 - 6:44 Memoir (Symbolism) - ANNE 7:17 - 7:27 Cutting In - Patrick DSP (Interruption Records) 8:30 - 8:45 Blake Baxter @ Loveparade 1996 Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 9:10 - 9:22 Unclean Spirit - Blush Response (Sonic Groove) 9:35 - 9:50 Blake Baxter @ Loveparade 1996 Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 10:10 - 10:20 For An Angel - Paul van Dyk 10: 37 - 10:50 Paul van Dyk @ Loveparade 1996 Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 11:33 - 11:43 Ellen Allien @ Loveparade 1996 Tresor Archivmaterial (ohne Angabe) 11:43 - 12:10 KCKC - Ellen Allien (BPitch Control) 13:25 - 13:45 Jupiter Beach - Alexis Smith & Joe Henson et al (Audio Network) 14:35 - 14:45 Cyber Trolls - Igor Dvorkin et al (Audio Network) 15:40 - 15:50 LOVE - Ellen Allien (BPitch Control) 16:20 - 16:40 LOVE - Ellen Allien (BPitch Control) 17:10 - 17:50 Thought Process - Infiniti (Tresor) 17:55 - 18:30 The Berlin Session 1- Juan Atkins (Tresor Records) 18:40 - 18:45 The Berlin Session 1- Juan Atkins (Tresor Records) 19:30 - 19:45 Dystopia (Original Mix) - Rebūke (Drumcode)

[@MonguRice]

Thank You 🙏🏿 so much for the Playlist x for this awesome documentary ♥️

[@barmadelic]

Ahghh, the one I'm after is just a loop. Thanks for the list tho!

[@kirwan308]

The Blake Baxter loop is sick. If anyone knows what it is 🙏🏼

[@thisgame2]

Klaus Schulze was a musician, composer, player and performer, a producer and record artist who "nearly single-handed invented electronic music" as the British Audion magazine once wrote. He was born in August 1947 in Berlin. His first commercial release was with a combo called Tangerine Dream. Klaus was 22 years old then. Many solo albums, concerts, and other activities followed, including collaborations with famous or less famous musicians, the founding and closing of two own record companies, and much more. I'll quietly walk away now, stop rewriting history.

[@ajamu4304]

As a Detroiter in my mid 50s, its always a pleasure to see our once underground culture now globalized and making the world dance.

[@fgjr96way]

people used to tell me "it is not going to last"

[@stizan9185]

Your? The sound of Juan Atkins , "father" of early Detroit Techno its definitely not the sound of modern techno with his early tracks like "Alleys Of Your Mind" / "Audio Tech", also techno its a pretty broad term developed throughout the years but its modern sound is heavily inspired and developed by eu rave scene and way different from early Detroit, all credit for what people call techno definitely dosen't go just to Detroit.

[@anhiirr]

@@fgjr96way and those same ppl shelling out Hundreds if not THOUSANDS to watch some washed up HAS been Hair metal sell outs to this DAY. SMDH LOL

[@Friendroid]

@@stizan9185 those responsible for the modern sound and EU rave scene you mention credit the Detroit scene as their main influence.

[@Friendroid]

Kraftwerk and Detroit are the core of Techno music.

[@thomasmcroy1756]

Juan is giving me an Obi Wan vibe with his earthy outfit. Im loving it. Thanks for the great music.

[@woodybalfour8213]

Interesting that Kraftwerk was left out of this

[@neptunevibe]

they are not Techno.. is about techno and is coming from Detroit

[@stefanz9485]

You are both right 😅 Kraftwerk is not techno, but basically all the Detroit grandmasters name Kraftwerk as one of their big influences…(though not in this video)

[@alenmaia6514]

And Parliament and other funk bands too. Kraft is not Techno, it is what it is.

[@diemes5463]

​@@e.d.8215 the video is documenting the origins of a single genre, not the entire history of electronic music, which goes far beyond Kraftwerk. The presentation is not disingenuous, just limited in scope.

[@alenmaia6514]

@@e.d.8215 The problem seems to be racial, just acknowledge the facts. The originators were black, it doesn't matter if you like it or not.

[@Sycokay]

There was a saying in the 90s: Techno is music sounding like machines, and Trance is machines sounding like music.

[@Zeal808]

Yes

[@thisgame2]

Klaus Schulze was a musician, composer, player and performer, a producer and record artist who "nearly single-handed invented electronic music" as the British Audion magazine once wrote. He was born in August 1947 in Berlin. His first commercial release was with a combo called Tangerine Dream. Klaus was 22 years old then. Many solo albums, concerts, and other activities followed, including collaborations with famous or less famous musicians, the founding and closing of two own record companies, and much more. I'll quietly walk away now, stop rewriting history.

[@Sycokay]

@@thisgame2 I tried, but I really can't figure out what you were trying to point out that is even remotely related to my comment. Clicked the wrong reply button?

[@Zeal808]

Electronic music heals just like every other genre of music. I believe in music. I love techno!

[@gunn3r245]

I think everybody forgets that Frankfurt is actually the city that brought Techno to Germany and made it big. Nowadays Berlin just screams Techno all the time but became kind of mainstream in many ways.

[@michaelr.8402]

not everybody. "gude laune"...💥

[@diamondspearradio926]

This video is talking about the genre techno.Your thinking of techno as in the name for EDM.

[@larsxyz5626]

The origins of Techno/ Trance is in fact from Frankfurt, by @Talla 2XLC The year was 1981, he was inspired by Kraftwerk, and he named the term of the music style as techno, see the video In 1984 he started TechnoClub in Frankfurt Later was Front 242, later again Techno came to the US (Detroit) But the origins came from Germany Talla 2XLC interview, 30 Years of Technoclub, Frankfurt, 2014. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX_Op5KLf8lqoZY

[@zarcon85]

Frankfurt+Nürnberg=Berlin Techno 1989....No discussion cuz i saw It all happening back then..,and yes, before "Techno" there was "Electro"....and the Transition from one Thing To the other happened via Juan Atkins...from "Cybotron" To "Model 500" ..basically the three First cities To have Venues (and Wharehouseparties😂) playing 4/4 Electronic Dancemusic under the moniker "Techno" were Frankfurt and Nürnberg. When the wall came down, "Berlin" was basically built by locals and Lots of people rushing there from F. and N. to basically start It all Up, Like WE all know It today...

[@dpt6849]

Frankfurt Terrorist aka Marc Acardipane aka Marshall Masters aka Inferno Brothers. I like it loud. Slaves to the rave. 6 million ways to die.

[@grambo4436]

For me for the dj, club & rave subculture to survive it must reject mainstream influences and get back intouch with its underground roots in order to find its rhythm, energy, vibe, crowd and audience that understood its meaning, art and message its trying to convey.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for sharing your story and thoughts. We truly appreciate diverse perspectives.

[@VJKaiC]

Everything is constantly changing and it is unstoppable. I also miss the sounds of the 90s and the good old heavy Detroit tecno and house music (which is now sold as house ... puke) - but that's the way it is. A new generation demands their own music.

[@grambo4436]

@@VJKaiC Yes, But i also want them to know where it stems from and how it sounded. Especially Trance, House & Techno you name it.

[@IsaacSMILE]

Music/techno/dance etc will never die, that's absurd. There will be a mainstream 'business techno' economy and a true underground scene run by smaller 'purist' groups who are not driven by profit and social media engagement but by musical experience, a sense of freedom and expression.

[@stefanz9485]

⁠@@IsaacSMILEou are right. In the second half of the 90s we had the first phase of „techno going mainstream“ (in a very ugly way) and back then I was scared that the commercial wave would kill the underground… The opposite happened, the mainstream commercial techno died out quickly back then, and the underground strived. We since then had the same development a few times, but in the end „the underground never dies“

[@Magyar9Andras]

As a Berliner I must say that the huge difference between the glorious 80s/90s/2000s techno era and today's techno in Berlin is, that we lived it underground back then, it was a special cosmos we could escape during the weekends...Friday evening in, Monday morning out...then back to our work and repeat it next weekend...no one out there knew...it's very different now but still proud that Berlin is the capital of Techno!

[@ntro9347]

it really isn't. Techno has so many capitals. Berlin is only one cog in the wheel.

[@felipepetersberchielli1651]

i always giggle at such nostalgic commentaries, the newer generation is always worse and blabla, nonsense, Techno scene is bigger, more diverse and accessible, there is something for everyone out there

[@ntro9347]

@@felipepetersberchielli1651 Perhaps if you had experienced the days of past you wouldn't be making this comment. The mobile phone - aware that they can be recorded - crowd is a far cry from those jacking in the late 80's, early 90's. Kids these days really need to learn how to party.

[@layditms2]

@@felipepetersberchielli1651 lol not more diverse at all. This era is a massive imitation era.

[@layditms2]

@@felipepetersberchielli1651 That is the opposite of diverse. There is so much rehash. And the rehashers are the nostalgic ones. VVhich makes your Comment hilarious

[@tris421]

Techno made in Detroit influenced by German electronic music using Japanese gear. Techno is a global genre,

[@pistolen87]

The lack of lyrics makes techno universal. It's a primal feeling.

[@memmem77]

don't forget that they were making techno in the mid 80s in Frankfurt already

[@Goliath-rn4vi]

By that logic, every music genre is a global genre.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Yes very true. thank you for your comment ... and not to forget the influence of other European electronic music .... and mostly forgotten: pioneering musicians like Don Lewis who helped a lot to develop not only Japanese gear. A good read is: articles.roland.com/tadao-kikumoto-exclusive-conversation/

[@StacksSats]

P.L.U.R.

[@ir8123]

It cured my ptsd.Great doc keep them coming.

[@darinbauer8122]

Yes, techno gets me moving. ❤

[@tupac1971ful]

Moved in Berlin 2 years ago. After adapting to the City, I fell in love with the Techno. Having visited other major European cities, nobody can argue that Berlin still has one of the best scenes out there. I really love watching these videos, learning about the roots of this genre and how it developed to be what it is today. I was unlucky not to live those glorious days. Currently what really bothers me is that the scene got greatly commercialized, big events are about profit and the smartphones along with the great visual effects during those events seem to be taking off many things that Techno had to offer during its emergence. But still in Berlin there are places for people to listen to Techno, dance and forget about the outer world while being there, where as much as possible cameras are turned off. I get why the older ones feel that the scene has changed and it surely has, but that goes with everything in life. So I think we should embrace these changes while not forgetting what the scene is meant to represent.

[@luttmatten3967]

as said in the report: "the main job is, to keep the dancefloor in action and the audience smiling" .... the older ones should stop complaining about changes in life and do what they did when they were young: enjoy music, be happy, make people around you happy. Berlin has changed only for the old ones. For the young ones visiting Berlin, especially those from normal sized towns, the city and the club culture here is still amazing... but of course in context of today and their life, not that of young people from 35 years ago :-). p.s.: greetings from another berlinian. an average older one :D

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for sharing your story. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts with our community.

[@losfogo7149]

I've been lcubbing in berlin half a dozen times and in all places they made me cover the phone camera and there was little to no visual. Isn't that common there?

[@tupac1971ful]

@@losfogo7149 it's really common indeed. Only at techno events you won't have your camera covered. Maybe also at some more touristic clubs but have not gone to one of those to speak.

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

Sure Tupac, sure 🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

[@HipnZen]

Absolutely LOVE our history and look forward to visiting Berlin to observe the continuing legacy of Techno music. And…I’m a House Head for Life! With Love, From North End Detroit ☀️

[@jeonlyxoxo]

I discovered techno during the love parade Era. I didn’t need explanation. It just felt so right, the hypnotic BPM, the community feel. Detroit techno is certainly the best. But Berlin techno scene rules. Great doc!

[@fgjr96way]

Germany made it better

[@dbars201]

Thankfully Blake Baxter made an appearance in this. Early Detroit pioneer whose name is not nearly as known as the belleville 3, but deserves respect for shaping the sound in the earliest days of techno

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.

[@Fabi_87]

Yeah been an EDM lover for decades and always thought its roots where here in Europe but just recently learned its roots actually where from America specifically African Amercan culture. But it seems like Americans didn't take a liking too it too the same level as Europeans.

[@ntro9347]

well, he's the prince of techno afterall

[@ceeej1290]

100%

For anyone looking for the track that plays between 3:50-4:03 and again at 9:34-9:50, is _Love Has Taken Over · Ground 96_ It's sped up a bit. but after searching from Blake Baxter's live shows from Tresor, I found it. Edit #1: It's also Garage House, not Techno. Which means that House and Techno are much alike than how its stated in this documentary. Tech House is an oxymoron.

[@jordanjohnson161]

Thanks mate 😁

[@philippelabrecque]

Thank you! I've been looking for it for a few days now.

[@avantgarde8402]

Soon as I heard that kick and sound I needed to know the name ha . Nice one !

[@aakoch6062]

Anyone knows name of this track 9:10 -9:22 ? Thank you

[@dezolatetrax]

techno for me is still will be underground and always be underground

[@layditms2]

It has been mainstream since the nineties

[@layditms2]

it was mass mainstream in the nineties VVhat Generation are you ?

[@jhcali71]

Techno is not just for the young… Been a fan from the start, and I’m finally getting to go to Berlin in January.

[@zacharydavis4398]

Thanks for spending doing the time to create and share this content

[@nacarzzz]

We definitely need a tracklist. There are so many good songs. Especially in Alan Oldham’s part.

[@selimbenmansour9448]

I Repeat! we definitley need a track list!! there are so many fucking good songs!!!

[@leojohnwayne1422]

Any luck ? 3:57

[@s_v6294]

yes please!!! we need it

[@andervole5311]

min 17:13 is very nice TRACK , I LOVE THIS SOUND ... does anyone know what the name is? Greetings from Allgäu Bavaria :)

[@MH4g1an1s]

@@andervole5311 Infiniti - Thought Process. Hooked me too :)

[@captainjosue]

I've been to Tresor and Detroit. I was at Movement festival in May. Love this music I love this scene.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you very much for sharing your personal experience with us. Sending you all the best

[@classicallpvault]

The earliest proto-forms of techno are found in the work of German bands like Kraftwerk and Tangerine Dream. Kraftwerk were using 4-to-the-floor beats exactly like found in techno tracks as early as 1973 and some of these tracks could actually be played in a modern set. Not the music, but the rave scene around it emerged in the US. Techno itself stems from electro, which started off in the German rock scene when synthesizers and drum machines took the place of guitars and drum kits. Then there's the melodic side of electronic music, e.g. trance, which is based on 1970s space rock bands like Space and of course the composer Jean-Michel Jarre. The US was the birthplace of house though, which emerged when producers started sampling funk and disco records over a drum machine beat, making both house as a genre as well as its precursors native to the US.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for sharing your insights!

[@zochbuppet448]

Yes. But Even house was influenced by the German electronic music. House music morphed out of Electro music. Electro was a combination of German/ UK electronic influence and funk/ black dance music

[@fgjr96way]

Sometimes I dont care where it started but when you work together you make beautiful sounds of music, long live Disco and Techno Music

[@thisgame2]

You are the best, I was looking for one comment on Klaus SHULZ Klaus Schulze was a musician, composer, player and performer, a producer and record artist who "nearly single-handed invented electronic music" as the British Audion magazine once wrote. He was born in August 1947 in Berlin. His first commercial release was with a combo called Tangerine Dream. Klaus was 22 years old then. Many solo albums, concerts, and other activities followed, including collaborations with famous or less famous musicians, the founding and closing of two own record companies, and much more. I'll quietly walk away now, stop rewriting history

[@toddw3nzel639]

I live in the Metro Detroit Area. I’m “new” to the REAL scene. Last two years I’ve TRULY started digging into what House and Techno is. Movement Featival (Once DEMF) really opened my eyes to the talent that has come to Detroit. Small clubs in Detroit on any given night can have the names of some of the best: Eddie Fowlkes, Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Daniel Bell, Stacey Pullen, Carl Craig, Norm Talley, Delano Smith, Mike (Agent X) Clark, the list goes on and on. AUX88 playing at Spotlite 8/18/2023🙌🏼

[@Beaneumann]

Detroit's techno pioneers received very little local support aside from family and close friends. Public acknowledgement of Detroit's musical legacy, historic relevance in dance music is relatively recent. Paxahau nearly white-washed Detroit by taking away Movement Festival time slots from local heroes to showcase RA Top 40 favourites for over a decade until a couple of years ago. Charivari Detroit is mostly local, with a friends-and-family atmosphere (true to the spirit of the city) - and yet largely overlooked by the "Detroit Pioneer loving' Movement crowd. There is no thriving local club scene in Detroit today either and neither of the cities greats can fill a dance floor larger than a dive bar on the 361 days when Movement isn't happening. Most of the love, support and big $ bookings are coming from NYC, LA, Europe and the rest of the world.

[@fgjr96way]

@@Beaneumann Agree, they do not get local support a DEMF will come around Memorial Day weekend ,put on a show, and then its over zip, not a word or a care, I stopped going downtown cause it is not the same. Motor Detroit, Zoo in Windsor, Clutch Cargos and Industry in Pontiac those were great times. even blasting the radio of "may day mixing" on WJLB in the neighborhood was fun. That IS WHY IN OTHER COUNTRIES IT IS respected more than here, most people don't like music without words

[@VanguardShags]

@@fgjr96way - It sounds like you & I went to some of the same clubs back in the day. What was that other club in Pontiac way back when - Isis? And speaking of Detroit radio - The Electrifying Mojo - he was really on top of a lot of great music early on. Anyway, I partially agree with the above in terms of Detroit, but a lot of people don't realize that things were different back then. Early Techno was a small part of the broader Detroit area counterculture scene of the day, and we could only carry our own so far, as LA & NYC basically had a lock on the entertainment industry and long ignored, rejected, and flat-out stole from our artists with little to no acknowledgement. Every local with any knowledge of things knows that's what happened a generation before in the late 60s/early 70s, when Detroit invented the music that NYC bands directly took from, then London following that, where it finally was given the label of "Punk"....with virtually no acknowledgement of its Detroit origins till many years later. The difference with Techno is NYC & LA never noticed it or never cared at the time. Berlin and others did, and were gracious enough to acknowledge Detroit Techno as being a distinct form of electronic music, and helped to grow more than we alone ever could.

[@fgjr96way]

@@VanguardShags Clutch Cargos and Industry i believe

[@fakez0ne313]

go to tec-troit next year

[@superhumantrueman]

Great documentary, any chance of a tracklist?

[@chimutaku]

Sad Yellow Magic Orchestra doesn’t get the recognition they deserve 😔

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

There are many talented and influential DJs and bands that we couldn't cover in this episode of 'Arts Unveiled'. But we hope to be able to make up for it in the future.

[@jahwobble5214]

@@DWHistoryandCulture In fairness this is a brilliant documentary and you couldnt include EVERYONE

[@axun5002]

Yellow Magic Orchestra was the first band to use the TR-808

[@henriqueguimaraes121]

Techno is th mother of electronic music, I love listening to Techno it's in my veins.

[@farmertomas]

Thanks so much. Always loved Techno. Great to see the photo of Richie Hawtin from 1990. He still is absolutely incredible to me.

[@fgjr96way]

DJ Ritchie Rich when I first heard him

[@beccyboo19]

at first when i listened to techno i didnt really understand it, but i agree with ellen alien. once i learnt to dance to it i fell in love with it. i also think that techno is best at camping festivals, despite the commercial nature i am addicted to feeling the bass in my body. there's less rules about noise restriction unlike most events in the city.

[@ElectronicElements]

I love Techno ❤

[@harisdiz.5817]

Homage to KRAFTWERK.

[@diemes5463]

electronic music existed well before Kraftwerk

[@Noizedas]

Dancing to Kraftwerk kinda hard tbh. Thank goodness kids made it better

[@BlamBar-qj8yh]

lmfao Kraftwerk? Homage to JUAN ATKINS!

[@Hardbody94]

Kraftwerk aint shit 😂

[@alexsicko]

@@BlamBar-qj8yh yeah, those kraftwerk kids weren't even born when atkins dropped the techno beat.... XD LMFAO.

[@sieje]

Fidget house dj here. Nashville. 2008-13. Great times. Thank you all originals

[@powerrangers16712]

Never like Techno previously. But during my blackest period few years back, gave it a chance. And yes, Techno, particularly CDW, saved me during those times. Now this is the only dance music I listened to, plus Nora En Pure.

[@manjininja76]

For me Techno is a progression of what acts like Kraftwerk were doing in the 70's. What sets Techno apart from other genre's is it's machine like rhythm & unashamedly robotic/ synthetic flavour.

[@THEPORKCHOPEXPRESS1888]

Agreed and there's video evidence of kraftwerk from 1970 playing techno at the rockpalast and available on KZbin, glad someone has said this other than myself 👍

[@demanu]

Came to say the same thing. It started with Kraftwerk, not Detroit. When Kraftwerk came to Detroit, every Detroit hip hop/ techno artist came to pay tribute.

[@ToriZealot]

of course you are right, the media is just blatantly lying to us

[@robthatcher1817]

Kraftwerk made electro or synth pop.... not techno....... Detroit took alot of what Chicago was doing with House................................. anyone with a brain knows the difference.

[@Hi-hoe]

@@robthatcher1817totally agree. I dj and I would not play those 1970 Kraftwerk songs in a set. That would make everyone go drink

[@Faultline303]

Does anybody know the track at 9:45?

[@scharlie1978]

Whether Berlin or Detroit were the first, one forgets that techno was already being played in Frankfurt am Main in 1982 at the Dorian Gray. In 1984, DJ Talla founded the techno club there. The club was also unique in the world at the time, as there was no curfew at Frankfurt Airport and you could party around the clock! A(O)MEN

[@memmem77]

exactly this, first techno releases from Germany date back to the mid 80s, as per Discogs

[@robthatcher1817]

1981 in Detroit........ Detroit invented it stop trying to steal that

[@franz9573]

@@memmem77 In the past, there was always this battle between Frankfurt and Berlin, which is the techno capital. However, techno definitely existed earlier in Frankfurt than in Berlin. In Berlin it was also more trancy, whereas in Frankfurt the beats were harder. But we must also highlight the Belgian productions, before with New Beat and from 1990 with Techhouse. Techno music from Belgium made techno really popular. Labels such as R&S, Bonzai, Music Man, Diki etc..

[@memmem77]

@@franz9573 agreed, fully. Frankfurt started their own experiments under Tallah, Bigod20, No UFO, Robotiko etc. Berlin adopted the style from Frankfurt and Detroit,

[@madmas2798]

don't forget kraftwerke and Tangerine dream in the 70's

[@cotedubois]

This must have been the most incomplete documentary on the 'origin' of techno I have ever seen. This doc gives the impression some guys in Detroid tinkerd with some electronics and voila: you have techno! Techno came from afrobeat, disco, house and new beat! Greetings from Belgium 🇧🇪 !

[@adj789]

no mention of Kraftwerk or Micheal Alig

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[@apathuntold]

srsly

[@zolawilliams1]

Yes I agree. This was waaaay too short. Was hoping to see and hear more about Detroit... the connections between Detroit and Berlin, more art... Drexciya... Robert Hood.. there's so much more ground to cover. DW don't let us down!

[@ntro9347]

@@adj789 Alig is more house than techno. I also fail to see why a glorified promotor should be mentioned.

[@timothykangethe7700]

Absolutely Love House music made from the Outstanding Roland 909 machine back in Detroit and Chicago. Evolving into Techno...and currently Deep House. Long live this 🎶 genre 🎉 Good job DW shedding light on Techno 🎇

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[@julianton3340]

Kraftwerk was one of the first, if not THE pioneers, in the development of techno.

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[@chrisb6296]

Louder for those at the back. Any mention of T's origins without K is nonsense

[@rjonzun5828]

@@chrisb6296 There would have been no early 80's electro funk here in the USA without Kraftwerk.

[@patrickvanhove8586]

just one example of bands before kraftwerk..song of 1959 kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIvHf2Wnm7aefsU

[@raet8081]

Kraftwerk were not techno, Disco had more of a role in technos creation.

[@Aihiospace]

The term 'techno' - in regard to a specific musical genre - certainly was coined in Detroit by the Belleville Three (Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson), after Alvin Toffler's concept of "techno-rebels" explored in his book Future Shock. Sonically, the roots of techno of course go way longer and deeper (eg. Luigi Russolo, Pierre Schaeffer, Delia Derbyshire, Kraftwerk, Afrika Bambaataa...), all converging on that new underground sound in Detroit. But it's quite reductive to present Berlin as the place where it all started in Europe when acid house parties and then techno raves had started happening around (Western and Northern) Europe more or less around the same time in the late 1980s. And I believe in Germany, Frankfurt was way ahead of Berlin, with DJs there using the term 'techno' already in the early 80s to describe "technologically created dance music". Berlin was one of the pioneers of techno CLUB culture, but as a birthplace of techno movement, it was just one among the many in Europe (albeit an important one, naturally).

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for sharing your insights!

[@kimkadish6232]

None of the B3 clowns ever read Alvin Toffler.

[@skriptico]

you 100% right my man.

[@rjonzun5828]

@@kimkadish6232 Juan Atkins did. Why do you refer to them as clowns?

[@zochbuppet448]

The current generation is so lazy when it comes to research Techno originated in EUROPE. It originated from GERMAN and UK electronic groups and acid house Techno surfaced in North America around 1993, after it became a part of the rave scene with Acid house in the UK in the late 80's and very early 90's. House Music originated in the U.S from Electro music The music made in Detroit in the 80's was a take on the Electro genre, a type of music that was extremely popular in the U.S and Canada around 1982 - 1984. House music came from the mixing of the ELECTRO genre with black dance music. People in Detroit in the 90's mixed the incoming Techno music from the Raves in the UK with house music. Enough of the laziness. And everyone keeps buying into the same laziness that is put out

[@Xo-Miss-Rose-oX]

Long Live Techno💘💖

[@undergroundmafiaterryjames6281]

I just booked T-1000 in Detroit for CODA during Movement. He killed it.

[@AB-tg5mx]

Raving in the 90s was unlike anything today, I need a time machine before the nostalgia kills me.

[@RPBtoday]

Chicago gets no credit? Detroit did not start making techno, they were producing House music. Techno began with acid house and Ron Hardy was the first dj in the world to strip vocals & speed up the BPMs at the Music Box. Detroit cats were producing for labels in Chicago, even the first unofficial Techno track was written by Thomas Barnett called Nude Photo was distributed by Gherkin Records from Chicago on Derrick Mays Transmat label. Also forgotten is the long lost Techno scene in LA, which gave way to Gangster Rap & Hip Hop. Detroit transplant Andre Manuel aka Unknown DJ moved to LA around 1981 and produced electro & Hip Hop, he was the first to coin the term Techno on his Techno Hop label in 1984. Techno Hop label birthed modern West Coast Hip Hop with Ice T's 6 in da Morning. Also Juan Atkins never really produced in Cybotron, it was Rik Davis who needs to be credited, he is the one who pioneered Detroit electro/techno production and djs Delano Smith & Ken Collier (RIP) pioneered Detroit House./Techno Dj scene. Somebody needs to make a real documentary about the real roots of the movement, not the white washed UK version of the story of Techno & House

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and our community. In this video from our "Arts Unveiled" series, we focused on Detroit and Berlin. However, it's true that Techno is also home to other cities like Chicago or Frankfurt. Thank you for watching.

[@Flashback_Jack]

Detroit was doing electro and disco before techno. House music was Chicago's thing, inspired heavily by the New York disco scene. Detroit started branching out into 4/4 music stripped of vocals after some friendly back-and-forths with Chicago once House started blowing up. Chronologically speaking the genre of Techno is younger than House music by a few years. Techno is NOT acid house--I wish people would stop making this silly mistake. By that logic, you'd be contradicting yourself when you say "Nude Photo" was the first "unofficial" techno track given that Phuture's Acid Trax was the first acid house track.

[@HouseMusicDefined]

I’m born in Detroit. Raised in LA. I was in Detroit in the summer of 1981. That summer “Alley Of Your Mind” , “Sharivari” and Was Not Was “Out acomes The Freaks” along with Kraftwerk’s “Number”. That summer the term that was used for this new music in 1981 Detroit was “Techno Beat”. When I came back to LA for school that fall my aunt introduced me to her friend since I came back from Detroit into dee jaying. Her friend moved back to Chicago. He was Ronnie to me. He is known to the world as Ron Hardy. My point is there were no Chicago records yet! I will say that when Chicago started to make records it was amazing!

[@ntro9347]

@@HouseMusicDefined Ron Hardy's Sensation on Trax was an awesome track!

[@alanmodimages]

@@HouseMusicDefined A lot was happening back then. I grew up in Detroit and in 1981, we were just coming out of "New Wave". That's when the storm of Cybotron, Shari Vari and Kraftwerk hit. Many influences and maybe it is a continuity thing. But to tune in to this documentary and see people say that Detroit just "adopted" sounds and then called it Techno, is like saying that Chicago just "adopted" music and created House. There's a reason why we have both House and Techno. Thanks for the reference to Ron Hardy. With his "pitched up" mixes, he influenced the Detroit cats who went to his parties to do something. They couldn't call it House in Detroit, so they called it "Techno, the new Detroit Sound". Of course we grew up with Kraftwerk, Italo Disco, and the B52's, just like Chicago grew up with Disco and the Philly Sound. It's the innovation that eventually created something new in 1985 and 1986.

[@johngonzalez8313]

As a native Detroiter, I’m proud to say I am one of the original members of the music Institute or the MI as we used to call it or the toot… Best years of my teenage life thank you Derek, George Alton, Kevin, Juan, and Chez for amazing memories

[@fgjr96way]

AGREE but no mention of the Scene or New Dance Show we were having good times and thanks to WJLB,WGPR,POWER 96 AND 88.7 KEEPING THE MUSIC GOING

[@rebekkariblet4500]

I was born in Berlin and watched techno grow

[@Sharpsyy]

The techno scene has an pretty interesting following and atmosphere here in South Africa. Devoted ravers, well thought out environments and incredible music. Really dope to learn about the history in greater detail!

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

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[@bornajurasic]

I will be moving to South Africa soon. Any suggestions on where to experience the scene? Which cities? What media streams to follow? Would really appreciate the info!

[@TheHolyOne9511]

As a 28 year old Brazilian American male I can honestly say Techno is such a huge part of my life right now. I used to listen to hip hop and metal. But Techno is something that reaches beyond what my soul and mind can handle. It’s almost like I’m exploring different parts of the solar system when listening to this music. I also have roots in electronic music when my mother used to play Eurodance all the time while cleaning the house. Dubstep and house is another inspiration to me when I was in my adolescent years. One day I really need to visit Berlin or even London to really get the gist and atmosphere of techno and REAL electronic music!

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

Its so weird, it was already totally mainstream

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

Like D E C A D E S ago

[@TheHolyOne9511]

@@Ritff666l-e9e It was mainstream in America back in 2009-12.

[@siriaaccogli9826]

does anybody know the tune at 3:58? 😔 it's sooo good !!!

[@naturalbornchiller158]

Tried Shazamming the shit out of this. Can’t find it anywhere 😅

[@hgfskate]

I know right? Need that!

[@betterjustice6697]

Same xd

[@BJ-zv5nl]

Sorry, no clue with just that little bit, but I'm more a house guy than techno. Definitely sounds like some solid mid 90s techno though, hence why it's not coming up on shazam for anyone and also because you only get maybe 10 secs of it at most. Probably a small indy label that only put out vinyl.

[@maliodistoka]

DW you need to make part 2 or 3 asap of this because you missed a lot of other pioneers

[@streglof]

Tracklist?

[@davidschlessinger9945]

I always had an interest in electronic music from the earliest days making mixed tapes.

[@alenmaia6514]

Kraftwerk is not Techno, it's the same as saying that James Brown did Hip Hop. This documentary is great, it gave credit to the originators of Techno.

[@alenmaia6514]

@@petraliebkind9309 Facts are facts, there's no need to get personal over known musical recorded history, Kraftwerk is not Techno, Parliament is not Techno. Wiley invented Grime, it doesn't matter who he listened to, each genre of music has its originators, get your facts right.

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[@simonh6371]

@@alenmaia6514 The German argument seems to be that the first users of electronic instruments are the creators of techno...which is like saying that Rock and Roll was invented by Arabs over 1,000 years ago, as they invented the guitar.

[@tonatiuh1150]

Oh! And a special thank you to Juan Atkins! Thank you!

[@Frisbieinstein]

Techno came from Kraftwerk and Tokyo's Yellow Magic Orchestra. The latter appeared on Soul Train.

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[@fgjr96way]

Yes.. Yellow Magic Orchestra a classic group that should have their day

[@stizan9185]

​@@Du-Moulin The modern sound of techno is pretty much the most heavily inspired by wt, the sound of Juan Atkins , "father" of early Detroit Techno its definitely not the sound of modern techno with his early tracks like "Alleys Of Your Mind", also techno its a pretty broad term developed throughout the years but its modern sound is heavily inspired and developed by eu rave scene and way different from early Detroit, all credit for what people call techno definitely dosen't go just to Detroit to say that's where it comes from, not even gonna mention the actual roots of elec dance music go bck to Kraftwerk Man made machine/Computerwelt albums

[@urmumsbaps]

@@Du-Moulin calling asian people yellow isn't OK. Techno has inclusive roots, so maybe work on not being racist?

[@Beaneumann]

BEFORE I GET GEEKY - explained below. Techno and dance music culture would not exist as it does today WITHOUT THE CONTR|IBUTIONS by BLACK artists. BLACK performers. Poor black folk invented Jazz in the alleys during prohibition. Jazz popped over to Europe in no time. Jazz was revolutionary. No rules. and DANCE. Black artists have just recently received recognition for changing the world with the Funk, and sweat and that's how dance clubs started. This docu is wasn't made because "Black Lives Matter" or to be PC, but to educate them youngins about the true roots of dance music, and "Detroit/Chi-to0wn experimental hybridTechno-House, from the poor folk of the 20's onwards. Music is to be shared, One leap in tech and new sound leads to another. If you are so nit-picky about "facts" as you see them, I'm not convinced that you love music as much. It's all music. From the Neanderthal's flute from 60.000 years ago to Today's wild techno and whatnot. PART 2: Electronic (synthetic sounds) have been around for 120+ years. and you left out 50 + significant years of wildly experimental electronica - Ie: the first recordings of the 50s (Dissevelt & Co). Mozart - 3O0+ years ago was considered a punk- so to speak. Later, 1920-ish onwards, the Italians and French started their Electronic Avant-Garde Movement, thanks to technology (=instruments) first developed around 1890. It was all melting together, and inspired by one another, music, art, Jazz, the Roaring 20s and visually and performance-wise, Expressionism, surrealism, Da-Da movement, one influenced the other. Let's focus on music. Don't Black artists deserve the spotlight? 400 years of slavery and as soon the lynching calmed down, they invented amazing music for the word. It's ok to not comment on KW, Talla's record store filing system (invented in 1983?) cool. You can name a 1940's car accident techno and say that KW copied the sound for Metal on Metal for Trans Europe Album

[@franz9573]

As a frankfurter, i don't completely agree, of course. the Omen opened in 1988, the Dorian Gray in 1978. at the Dorian Gray, there was a club called Technoclub. Techno was already well established in Frankfurt in 1990, which you can not say about Berlin this started only in 1991. Berlin had Westbam, but Frankfurt had 16 Bit, Sven Väth, Thorsten Fenslau, who produced techno music before 1990. Detroit techno, however, has strongly influenced the techno scene in Germany and worldwide and also made it more danceable. German techno until 1989 was less danceable.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for adding these valuable insights!

[@maltrapikilo3720]

There was no Techno at the Omen in 1988. When you read Groove charts of Sven Väth from 1990 you see that he still played stuff like Rozalla and other commercial stuff next to early "Techno" tracks in early 1990. Techno in Frankfurt for a long time meant Front 242 and Nitzer EBB as this was what Talla played in the Technoclub. The program changed slightly in 1990 when the first 3h where purely Techno House before Talla took over and played EBM again. In the beginning everyone said Techno House not only Techno

[@franz9573]

@@maltrapikilo3720 sven väth played techno at the omen in the early days beginning at 3-4 o'clock in the morning, from the end of 1990 also earlier. From 1991 almost only techno, acid etc. Before that he played charts, but also hip house, house and RnB. Dr. Alban (Hello Africa) and live Rozalla (Everybody is free) also performed at the Omen. The audience at the Omen was rather snobby until mid-1990, after which it changed radically. The average age was also much older. I was 16 in 1988 and was also rejected. Had to put on a shirt and jacket. Mahmut the bouncer I could attract with cigarillos and I came in then. From 1991, the average age was 21. 24-25 before that. Most of the older audience moved to the Club Plastik (The White House) near the courthouse in Frankfurt. Abbrechen Antworten

[@franz9573]

@@maltrapikilo3720 In addition, there was even the Music Hall in Frankfurt (Halle), but then closed in the early 90s. There were acid parties in 1988. Acid parties were around Frankfurt a lot in 1988, even in the dancing school Weiss in Offenbach or a disco in Offenbach where mainly migrants frequented (Name of the Club Agree).

[@maltrapikilo3720]

@@franz9573 that's what Iam saying, so Frankfurt wasn't super early and Sven Väth not the first one who played only Techno.

[@untitled1464]

I remember watching a video years ago by some Detroit DJs that stated Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode-specifically Alan Wilder’s production on “Get The Balance Right” had a massive impact on Detroit house!

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

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[@Ju-Highflying]

Great documentary, thank you ! And yes I move with techno, and do it every day, I even started my own label together with a friend !

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[@dejanseoldyoutube]

Been into this music since mid 80s (Electro) End 1989 begining of Techno and rave. Cant see myself existing without Techno still today. Im artist today running my own label and keeping real underground Techno alive. Amazing documentary so many memories

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

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[@dejanseoldyoutube]

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[@BillyMustang101]

Frankfurt might have something to say about Berlin being the birthplace!

[@Flashback_Jack]

Birthplace of what?

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

In this video from our "Arts Unveiled" series, we focused on Detroit and Berlin. However, it's true that Techno is also home to other cities like Chicago or Frankfurt. Thank you for watching.

[@nourdinh.1450]

@@DWHistoryandCulture Yes its True Im from Frankfurt from the Beginning of that Movement,Talla open the Techno Club Sundays @ the Club "No Name" in 1984 than later went to Dorian Gray i Think Fridays Downstairs the Third Floor 😉

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

@@Flashback_Jack the BERLIN WALL

[@ryan8430]

Although Detroit techno started in the late 70's I remember going to the underground raves in Detroit as a teenager in the 90's and it was the funnest time of my life. The scene the venues the people the real MDMA the fort dodge ketaset and nitrous John's tanks that filled the after parties.

[@Essexman0023]

Interested in hearing some Detroit Techno from the late 70s. My earliest records are from around 1983. Please send some recommends ?

[@BJ-zv5nl]

@@Essexman0023 He don't know what he's talking about. Maybe he's confusing electro with techno. Techno didn't come around until a few years after 83 - 86/87

[@nsdj031509]

How sad that Techno & House have not found the appreciation they deserve in their own soil, and have found value and homage in Europe

[@elliasonline]

This very much. Interviews with the Detroit originators and the Chicago house producers highlight that they were celebrities in the UK and unknown at home when they started their careers.

[@nsdj031509]

@elliasonline I also noticed that someone, either a record label, an individual, or an authority in the music industry has made sure that the US Billboard popularize pop and hip hop, and casted out the legendary 4 EDM genres (Breaks, House, Techno,Trance) to obscurity since the late 2000s, thus confusing the new generations of EDM into identifying pop as the "legendary" and "dominant" EDM genre, but as a purist, I must say that pop will never be accepted as legendary, since it has always stolen elements from the other 4.

[@WorldIsWierd]

It did you just dont listen to bounce, or jersey. Those are the black evolution of the sound.

[@nsdj031509]

@WorldIsWierd never heard of bounce and jersey, but I'll look into it, tnx a lot Brother👍

[@aldj3159]

@@elliasonline There's a bit of a precedent that was set when black jazz musicians in the pre-WWII period also had to go to Europe (Paris, in particular) to pursue fame and some semblance of racial equality which they could not find in the USA.

[@gromotion933]

It could not get big in other places but Berlin when elsewhere Clubs closes at 1am...

[@marshalltito]

Lucky everyone agrees on what techno is

[@alcyonemusic]

Cybotron, Kevin Saunderson, Derrick May, Kraftwerk of course.. let's not forget Moroder, Yellow Magic Orchestra..... and Japanese technological innovation.. Technics, Roland etc that made the gear that was repurposed by creative minds to get these new sounds and music forms "the street finds its own uses for things"

[@grambo4436]

All yeses!!

[@artisans8521]

Agreed.....when the TR-909 and TB-303 came out in the early nineties (amidst a which of "affordable" polyphonic synth), they were commercial failures to be dug up in the late eighties out of thrift stores and combined with the SL1202 that hiphop had already discovered. But I don't see Techno and/or House (wasn't that term coined in Chicago, at the Warehouse club) as strictly Berlinaise. For instance, a lot of raves were causing "problems" in the UK as well as in my country (just to te left of you) for instance in the form of Miss Djax (DJ and label owner) from 040 and DJ Isis from 020 (though not a native) (and Gabber, but lets not go into that, so not my thing, from 010). But electronic dance music is strong in Germany without a shadow of a doubt. But we AFAIK were the first country to commercialize DJ music into a stadium extravaganza (unfortunately). with ID&T being one of the driving forces behind it.

[@ratias0]

Even though I don't like techno, I think it was a very interesting documentary. Thank you

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@betterjustice6697]

0:12 Anyone know this? We need a tracklist!

[@Hellxvixlett]

Fr I need that song

[@bradmironik6137]

Very good. I remember being introduced to techno in high school. I can also remember my first rave in the early 90s in Toledo ohio and not far from Detroit and Richie hawtin as the attraction. I believe he was part +8 and minus. Good times, but now house is more my speed. Thankful for all the content creators.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you very much for sharing your personal experience with us. Sending you all the best

[@yomajo]

Studying techno... What a cool job.

[@thefixer742]

Great video! 🎵 This comprehensive overview of the birth and evolution of techno and electro music from Detroit to Berlin and back is incredibly informative. The influence of pioneers like Cybotron and Model 500 from Detroit, along with the innovative work of Kraftwerk, added a unique dimension to electronic music. Cybotron's album "Techno City," released in 1984, is often credited with coining the term "techno," and it was a pivotal moment in the genre's history. Kraftwerk deserves recognition for their groundbreaking electronic music contributions. Their album "Computer World" from 1981, featuring tracks like "Numbers," "Computer World 2," and "It's More Fun to Compute," significantly contributed to the development of techno and electro music. "Trans-Europe Express" from 1977 also played a pivotal role and was later sampled by Afrika Bambaataa. Additionally, Kraftwerk's influence extended to A Number of Names, who sampled their music in the track "Sharevari" in 1981. These connections highlight Kraftwerk's enduring impact on the electronic music landscape. Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Riot in Lagos" from 1980 deserves special mention for its innovative fusion of electronic and traditional Japanese elements, showcasing how global influences played a role in shaping electronic music.

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[@funkmachine9094]

it goes full circle because many of those detroit producers was influenced by kraftwerk among other things

[@karo2090]

not many but all

[@Flashback_Jack]

Kraftwerk was influenced by James Brown.

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[@crystalbluebutterfly]

@nowherepeople3431 Make techno black again!

[@BJ-zv5nl]

@@e.d.8215 triggered much? put your fragile white ego aside. Yes, black people from Detroit created techno. Get over it.

[@ceel3111]

All I can say is that....I ❤Techno!!

[@meredithunit]

Big love to Underground Resistance!!! Punisher still slays!! 💜

[@Ritff666l-e9e]

👍

[@DevonSmith-n1u]

so COOL!!!!!!! Dance music makes my soul come alive

[@ramen4386]

Someone got the ID at ~ 3:00 min. mark?

[@railroadandindustrialsky-wv8ns]

Actually techno blew up in the UK before Germany. But Germany took it and ran with it like no other country.

[@lukaurshibara5837]

I believe the producers accidentally forgot the part of history where the first techno tune was created by the German synthband Kraftwerk already in 1970 ( clip titled _"First Techno (Kraftwerk 1970"_ ).

[@ellentronicmistress4969]

@@BJ-zv5nl Get over yourself. Juan Atkins has openly talked about how hearing 'Robots' by Kraftwerk in the late 70's had a major effect on him. Likewise Kraftwerk cite James Brown as an influence. It's all good so why be so divisive?

[@LostwaveObsession]

It was around 1975 with Radioaktivität that they started to create the beginnings of techno, and in the same year Tonto's... did some similar too. But you can even hear the beginnings in Thomas Dissevelt's trax from the early 60s!

[@BJ-zv5nl]

@@LostwaveObsession It's not techno. The made electro. Huge difference.

[@LostwaveObsession]

@@BJ-zv5nl Then Discogs have got it wrong.

[@pontonymorales]

Techno dictates the rhythm of my soul ❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[@MrHannessie]

I did not like techno until I had made some visuals that would fit great to techno music. I wanted to produce the track for the visuals myself so I had to study techno first. When I was "stuck" listning to a loop I had made, I suddenly got the appeal of techno.

[@ronnywouters7037]

Do you know what the difference is between professional music historians and DW?

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for your comment. It seems like you disagree with us. Can you be more specific about it?

[@jayplay8140]

"we were ahead of our time" but behind Giorgio Moroder and Kraftwerk

[@BJ-zv5nl]

Neither of them are techno. You just have a problem with black Americans obviously. Try and be less triggered. It's history. Black people out of Detroit created techno. The artists you mentioned never created any techno.

[@locle2290]

@@BJ-zv5nl yes, they are.

[@sharpie6888]

@@locle2290no they aren’t

[@zolawilliams1]

Wait I needed like 90 more minutes of this.

[@teebonesteak8015]

I am absolutely blown away that a German public broadcaster has published this piece without a single mention of Kraftwerk. I suggest anyone who watches this documentary to go read or listen to interviews from the people who first produced this music in Detroit. All pay ultimate homage. It's essentially Kraftwerk with a Detroit twist. From Dusseldorf to Detroit to Berlin, maybe, elsewise this is American centric ahistory. I can understand when they engage in revisionism to beef up their own achievements, but DW? Christ, even the Guardian wrote an article called "From Germany to Detroit and back: how Kraftwerk forged an industrial exchange". They really did a number on you after WW2... Mindblowing.

[@aknautz]

Sorry, but it is all wrong what you are telling here. We had a club called Technoclub from DJ Talla2xlc already 1983 in Frankfurt plus a lot of more clubs in the early 80,s playing Electro, Techno, Acid. Techno in Germany starts in Frankfurt and not in Berlin!

[@ivanoleg054]

Exactly. Tallas Technoclub was traveling different club locations and ended up at the legendary Dorian Gray at the Airport. Respect to Berlin but Frankfurt was 5 Years ahead.

[@germanCrowbar]

Why is there no early film footage of techno supposedly originating in Detroit, while there are recordings of Kraftwerk from 1970 playing something very similar to techno in front of an audience? Nice try Deutsche Welle!

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for asking. As we mentioned in the video, US DJs were flown in from Detroit to play at Berlin clubs such as Tresor. There is actual footage of that at min 8:30. The fact that we could only use very limited archival material from Detroit also has to do with copyright. Thanks for understanding.

[@HypeStrike]

Nice try 😂

[@Bigliever]

The techno scene has proven not to be a hype. It's a lifestyle!

[@madmas2798]

yes, techno is the culmination of the society of impulses und consumption!

[@Wouterferdinand]

Yeah except a huge part is in a hype right now. Ofc the lifestyle remains as a new underground. Surely this will rise again.

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us and our community.

[@Ekam-Sat]

I was making techno in the late 1980s and early 90s in Belgium. I thought it was big. But now it is huge. Especially in Europe. The US is lagging.

[@BFLSF]

At 5.00 in the article ‘FUTURE SHOCK’ written by Stewart Cosgrove- coins the word techno for the first time. He visits Derek May Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson in the late 80s and he’s going through they’re records at the house in Bellvue. He’s expecting to find all sorts of mo town stuff from just down the street and he’s like ‘what is this- the Thompson twins?!? 😂’ they go to a party together and as Stewart is about to leave the visit he says to Derek ‘well I need a name for the genre’ Dereks like ‘eh I don’t know, new jack house or something’ Stewart says ‘well it’s all electronic instruments that are technology- can we go with techno lads?’ They agree and the rest is history. I’ve met the pair of them and they agreed this with me in conversation. Stuart is from Scotland. Yaaas

[@jsyjay]

The first time I ever heard techno was Jeff Mills DJing in Space Ibiza

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thank you very much for sharing your story with us. Sending you all the best

[@nurbracer4569]

Techno is love❤Techno is the new religion ❤❤❤ The Religion of Love ❤❤❤

[@cardiffbreadshort]

Following Magic Juan Atkins' definition: Kraftwerk = techno

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

Thanks for watching. Have you watched the video we created about Kraftwerk yet? You can finde it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2eYYqWVpNasapo

[@alexmuller7634]

Yeeeaaahhh ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[@jadizm]

Detroit: We CREATED TECHNO! Kraftwerk: Hold our Pilsners!

[@elduderino3120]

Daphne Oram & Deliah Derbyshire say: hold my Radiophonic Workshop m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJu6YXyPhb-od5o&pp=ygUYZGVsaWFoIGRlcmJ5c2hpcmUgdGVjaG5v

[@BJ-zv5nl]

Kraftwerk didn't create any techno. Clean out your ears. More along the lines of psychedelic rock or krautrockexperimental / electronic / post punk / new wave... and eventually some electro

[@Schwmmr]

3:15 Song ID please 🫶🏼

[@AchtNullAcht]

Seems to be it‘s not a track included in the Tresor 3 compilation 😔

[@ramen4386]

I need to know too🫠

[@Disco_Biscuit_X]

Kraftwerk??? I mean come on even the original detroit DJs recognise them as hugely influential in the orgins of dance music

[@DWHistoryandCulture]

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