Herero & Nama disagree on Germany-Namibia genocide-compensation deal | DW News

[@roni2977]

I think the best compensation would be developing or building something that will have a sustainable great impact on the country's overall economy. Money handed down through politicians usually gets stolen...

[@peterscott8920]

Though you're right, you would not be treating them as a sovereign country that way... Like "we know what's best for you". And that - especially in ex-colonies - I'd expect is a touchy topic.

[@urimtefiki226]

That's true politicians will steal that money.

[@wanderingpots]

It’s a back door for the companies to get in and exploit them some more.

[@amelianywhere]

The money should be invested in the development of the country, so that it has a lasting effect, and should not be handed over to the politicians of Namibia.

[@amelianywhere]

@@jerrymiller9039 Germany does not owe you anything? Please, Germany was enriched in her time from the stolen resources of this country. the compensation is fair.

[@affansyed558]

At least Germany is trying, Turkey still refuses to even acknowledge the Armenian genocide.

[@topspeedprintingsolution387]

Germany now helps Israel.. Same thing

[@1998damir]

Сorrupt politicians need money. Germany will always pay. Because corrupt politicians always need money.

[@blackstarghana]

U r a very big liar. Germany wanted always to pay nothing

[@GreenAppelPie]

Well I think some British killed my great great great great grandfather, can I demand reparations now?

[@vierakanjoka4194]

Yes if it was a genocide or massacre

[@dawnelise1528]

It is important not to joke about genocide. AND to document relatives killed by genocide and to sue for justice for them. Justice for any oppressed person makes Germany better for everyone.

[@Vilohit-gy5kt]

yes u should ,where are u from

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

Honestly they don't have to pay us back they should've just made a public apology to the descendants of the deceased communities. It would have spared a lot of chaos. ~just my opinion

[@ansumanacamara9335]

Is not enough,he who feels it knows it

[@Kyle_Lurz]

This happened over 100 years ago so even though every person in Germany had nothing to do with this they still have to pay up makes sense

[@lawinaabraham3073]

No it doesn't, why hold a generation accountable for something that happened before their freaking birth ? Makes no sense tf

[@WebesJamm]

@@lawinaabraham3073 it does make sense. Your brains cant comprehend.

[@n.s.5278]

It makes sense because the wealth of the current generation is built in the wealth of past generations and the wealth of past generations were partly looted from colonial subjects

[@khust2993]

@@lawinaabraham3073 the state is held accountable, not you. Surprisingly it doesn't make sense to someone who lives on the wealth built on colonization

[@asnowman8094]

@@khust2993 Colonial Germany was destroyed between two great wars, What wealth they have today is due to their own work ethic and capabilities as a remarkable people. You've made a lazy 'copy paste' argument in a situation where it demonstrably doesn't apply...

[@tonisiret5557]

Once you start compensating, where do you stop? You can admit the fault of your citizens, as a government, but once you open the money box for one crime, you cannot close it.

[@n.s.5278]

Colonial powers were in Africa to rob those nations. Reparations are simply paying back what they looted. It doesn't even come close to compensating for the suffering.

[@DianaCHewitt]

Where to stop is less important than how to start. Most former colonizers refuse to acknowledge the crimes of the past. Some even still have skeletons that their former colonizers wish to burry respectfully. At the very least acknowledgment is a start.

[@suprflyification]

So will the UK ask Scandinavia for compensation for pillaging the lands centuries ago?

[@BoggWeasel]

@@suprflyification I've got a bone to pick with some Romans....

[@n.s.5278]

@@suprflyification no, because that is pre Westphalian. With the rise of the modern nation state in Europe, a collective political community and will were formed.

[@300_spartansoldier5]

I don't not believe the generation now should be paying for what they ancestors did.

[@AlgernonMoncrieff77]

Of course they must. It is the duty of Germany to stand for its crimes and take the responsibility. You can't exploit a foreign country and kill it's people and then try to escape from your responsibilities.

[@Oyzatt]

When money became equivalent to human life? Tell me

[@alexs7189]

@@AlgernonMoncrieff77 But more than 100 years have passed.

[@AlgernonMoncrieff77]

@@alexs7189 this doesn't minimize or cancel the guilt of that crime. It is interesting to observe how some other countries are getting nervous since the news from Namibia spread: Britons, Frenchmen, Belgians and Portuguese might fear a boomerang effect.

[@eriksonyw]

how about this, don't pay for what the ancestors did, but rather give back for what the ancestors took. Lets find why the Germans were there in 1900s. And what did they take?

[@alimohammad1934]

You can't really punish the culprits who died long time ago. Other nations don't even think of reparation, they just put it in a small page in a history book or just say it didn't happen.

[@ansumanacamara9335]

Their generation are profiting from it until now

[@dawnelise1528]

That's complete b.s. The reparations movement is growing in the U.S. San Francisco; Evanston, IL; New York City, and more. There are many account books proving corporate wealth from slavery and showing that profit thoughout the years. Current wealth comes from prior wealth.

[@michaelamartinez30]

Take what you're offered or take nothing - the choice is yours.

[@buddymuundjua4639]

we leave it! we no longer slaves. simple as that!

[@ebenspannenberg1617]

Looking at Rwanda NOTHING can compensate lives lost, how tragic😭🙌🔥

[@peterernst1]

please enlighten me, literally when i read up on wikipedia about it i just read about economic incentivization by using money and taxation and bringing racism between hutu and tutsi as germans thought tutsi were more european... all put in a short paragraph...

[@HolyLionProphet]

@@peterernst1 If we don’t even know how the German Empire was destroyed, then how to determine these “ancient” documents

[@Light-Eater]

Curious when African nations will start compensating to the tribes they hurt.

[@AliMohamed-yv9ro]

Not 100,000.its that is more far away than. UNZHALICH!

[@nordensueden]

People forget that the consequences of such crimes last a long time. A century may sound like a long time, but in reality it is not. If you ask yourself, what do I have to do with what happened a hundred years ago: a lot. The prosperity or poverty we live in today depends largely on the situation of our ancestors. The financial compensation is right, and should also be reviewed again and again. The guilt of these crimes does not go away.

[@TheoOosthuizen-xs2nq]

Colonized people should pay tributes to colonial powers as well for introducing them to more advanced technology, medicine and science. Nobody gets free education.

[@Vilohit-gy5kt]

@@TheoOosthuizen-xs2nq the colonized people were fine before the europeans

[@TheoOosthuizen-xs2nq]

@@Vilohit-gy5kt Source.

[@newlife.3933]

Africa must be independent from foreign governments!

[@Oyzatt]

African leaders depending on the west is win, win situation for them. Why do you think they’ve Africa on the dining table if it doesn’t serve their best interest?

[@AlgernonMoncrieff77]

Well, at first several African states should be ruled by lesser corrupt governments. Otherwise it won't work at all.

[@Gaeilgeoir]

@@AlgernonMoncrieff77 Absolutely correct. No nation, African or other, can successfully stand on its own *and* help its people when it's not free from internal corruption.

[@produkterbarumasakini]

@@Oyzatt Western countries are not interested in poor Africa but that all changed when China came

[@Oyzatt]

@@produkterbarumasakini Africa is poor but the world depends on it natural resources, China just brought a new form of competition for opportunity in Africa and the west is trying to play catch-up. Africa has always got much to offer the world

[@denzelchakacharabela57]

So sad story

[@ostrichhe4d]

Good journalism, letting all points of view in Namibia say their peace.

[@dennismarfo3536]

The U.S. courts where the Namibians have chosen to battle this out is simply ridiculous. If Germany have conscientiously admitted to their wrongs in the past and are making payments to support infrastructure development, the reasonable people of Namibia should just accept it and move on.

[@himee7781]

1.1 billion euros / 100,000 people = 11,000 euros per human Minimum wage in Germany = 1584 euros / month 11,000 / 1584 = 7 months 1 Euro = 0.061 NAD 7 months / 0.061 = 114 months Well, is not enough for a person to live for 10 years! & HOW about the TIME LOST in between? 100 YEARS! NOT about INTEREST RATE!! But, PEACE.. LOVE.. FAMILY.. Is the COST of human LIFE? JUST 11,000 euros! Are you willing to die? If someone will pay the same! Give them LOVE! Give them HOPE! Restore to them 100 years! by Walking with them

[@johanngiesbrecht6460]

@@himee7781 The colony last only 30 years, so many African people always wanted free money,

[@johanngiesbrecht6460]

@Kazeshini Hijacker Why they don't work? or planting a garden? hut wildlife? Africa is the riches continent but the poorest people, I don't understand.

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

@@johanngiesbrecht6460 the colony may have lasted for 30 years but a whole tribe was almost completely wiped out and from my perspective as a Namibian our ancestors lives weren't just worth 1 billion! Germany has one of the leading economies so I'm pretty sure 1 billion is not the best they could do. Idc if you have some sort of insensitive opinion towards the communities being sensible but you need a self check.

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

@@johanngiesbrecht6460 btw we don't all want free money.

[@animalmotherdk2649]

You dont compensate as none of you where there so you have no right to anything. PERIOD.

[@leniortega9987]

Germany won't pay anything, that was agreed behind closed doors today! I think that's exactly the right decision, they just want our money like every beggar in the world. By the way, the most beautiful houses in Namibia are still those of the German ones, it's a shame for Namibia!

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

Germany> colonised us, amputated a chiefs head and displayed it in their museum, almost wiped out two tribes (100 000 including women and children) Me> thanks for the houses lol

[@ansumanacamara9335]

Which money, what resources did Germany have.ok fiat money,I can understand.l hope we live to witness the fall of a pompous people

[@thinkbetter5286]

Why are you wearing that ghost costume?

[@AlgernonMoncrieff77]

Instead of giving lots of money to a government like the Namibian one, which is not really renound for its transparency, it would be much better to allow Herero and Nama to get access to universities and/or job qualifications in Germany; maybe allow them to get easily the German citizenship; enforcing of exchange programs. With the skills they could learn in Germany they would be in the condition to bring development and welfare to their people and their home country. The problem is that SWAPO and Namibian government are mostly in Ovambo hand. The Ovambos were the former arch enemies of the Hereros back in those days. With the genocide of the Herero, the Germans alterated the balance of power between the different tribes and, involuntarily, they did a favour to the Obambos, annihilating the Hereros. Germany has to recognize this crime, it was the first genocide of the 20th century, and it should compensate in an intelligent way the descendants of the victims, not a corrupt government like the Namibian one.

[@Gaeilgeoir]

*reknowned

[@vierakanjoka4194]

Thank you brother for telling it as it is, corrupt Vamboes Government

[@GoldBluntman]

No we don't want them here!!!

[@MrWhitmen1981]

Retro active laws and justice. Germany has gone backwards. Statute of limitations doesn’t seem to even be argued here.

[@robertcollins7353]

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[@dudermcdudeface3674]

Recognition of history is good. Cooperatively healing persistent wounds is good. But there is no obligation for the living to pay the moral debts of the dead.

[@kingoliever1]

Don´t matter here, stats inherit the responsibility of previous governments and i am not sure they are even a thing in international law.

[@dudermcdudeface3674]

@@kingoliever1 A state is just living people and the taxes imposed on living people. Paper rhetoric cannot transcend mortality. If people cannot live forever, they must not suffer forever. Nor be compelled to pay forever the suffering of others.

[@KotBlini]

They are disappointed because they thought they'd get rich personally, no cars or big palaces for them. Clean water, roads and education is better.

[@faithworkingthroughlovepau7625]

HEARTLESS Mind! Will you die for MONEY? (car, palace...) MINDLESS Heart! Can you bring the DEAD back with MONEY? (clean water, road..) MONEY Doesn't help!! ADOPT a child ❤️ ADOPT a school ❤️ ADOPT a tree ❤️ ADOPT a well ❤️ Not JUST for a DAY! For 100 years! then you will understand the meaning and value of a SOUL!

[@robertcollins7353]

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[@KotBlini]

@@faithworkingthroughlovepau7625 why does god create orphans

[@faithworkingthroughlovepau7625]

@@KotBlini Sorry, if I offended you with my reply above. I know very little and I do very less. "No body is Poor" when s/he can give something to one in need of anything to survive! "No body is Orphan" when s/he can care an elderly person with ❤️

[@demonorse]

Do they have reenactments?

[@kuchojoe500]

We are good when It come to fighting each other...

[@2Harryclark]

Generational wealth denied to the Nama and Herero. Generational wealth gained by the descendents of German settlers. Old traditional leaders negotiating or begging? Youth needs to have input.

[@Riazor1370]

German misnter. Horror. Evilest ever.

[@Rivan98]

But they still spoke german language in their country 😐

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

We were colonised by Germany soo😂💀

[@Rivan98]

@@tunackyshigwedha7440 Like Togo, Tanzania and Cameroon too but they now speak English and French.

[@tunackyshigwedha7440]

Yeah and we do too

[@kingoliever1]

This tree story makes no sense, maybe you can hang people whit Iron but this seems odd and pretty unpractical and for sure would be rusted away there in the open after 100 years. Someone more info about this?

[@nobs997]

What if Germany is broke to make the compensation, what would the community do?

[@s.j.s601]

How can the German government be broke when it's stolen so much? If that's the case contact your representative, there are more thieves around than one may think.

[@nobs997]

@@s.j.s601 It is a hypothetical question and btw, there are former colonial powers that are not wealthy.

[@icantbreathe4921]

Is it a compensation trap?

[@produkterbarumasakini]

Then take German's land

[@vierakanjoka4194]

Luckily they r not broke, they build their country with our resources and human skull they sold all over the globe

[@6Diego1Diego9]

I have a crush on this news woman

[@jamesweston1607]

The wisest thing that should be on every wise individual list is to invest in different stream of income that don't depend on the government to bring money especially now that the pandemic is hitting economy pretty hard.

[@jennifermorrison7072]

Exactly fine words! I've heard all day.

[@austinhay2594]

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[@adamshaw9007]

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[@johnberg7715]

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[@randomartz4463]

I had interest in Investing in Forex and Crypto but I was discouraged by friends and family, I was being ignorant though.

[@kaizersolze]

That's not that much money. That's not giving the people what they asked for.

[@worldisbeautiful1937]

Hi

[@आपकापिता]

नमस्ते

[@Imawhiteboard]

I'm so happy for the people. They deserve better finally they'll get it

[@Imawhiteboard]

@@jerrymiller9039 well your opinion doesn't matter. They are getting the very least for what the grand parents parents had to live. Honestly your opinion doesn't matter.

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@@Imawhiteboard please be uneducated somewhere else

[@Imawhiteboard]

@@geisterfahreruberholer2171 elaborate? Maybe if i see your side I'll know better. But saying that doesn't change a person's view

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@@Imawhiteboard The people who suffered are not alive anymore. Same counts for the people that did it. So why make someone pay who did nothing wrong? Tell my why you think its fine I shall see my tax money go down to a corrupt state? Meanwhile pensions are on an all time low, East-Germany is still not on western level, Corona crushed the economy. The money is needed at home. Also following your logic, name me your country. I show you your skeletons in the closet. When will you pay for crimes you never did?

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@Ernest Khalimov so?

[@mikegyver3193]

The paper clip files are resurfacing 🤔

[@HolyLionProphet]

That's why I said this will never happen the second time

[@utubewatchinhesk]

A few counterfeit Gucci belt, running shoes and baseball caps would be a way better alternative.

[@Heretican]

There should be no compensation, this is madness

[@Ghostcall1914]

Why germany would speend money on africans instead true germans

[@GreenAppelPie]

Bring back the dead?

[@TemdriWorld]

Give back the people their land because after this pay out, the germans will still own 87% of the land in Namibia 🇳🇦

[@Oyzatt]

The whole Africa continent is a mess. African leaders who are nothing more than puppets in the hands of western elites.

[@nobs997]

@@Oyzatt Do you know better than all 54 African leaders?

[@lostonearth7856]

@@Oyzatt Not really anymore as Mainland is now jumping into Africa to start colonising it with debt traps. Africa is more like a global playground where global powers try to see who can cause the most chaos going from ISIS affiliated terror groups, dividing people with borders, coups, debt traps and local conflicts. Though not like African leaders are any better as some are also divinding their own people and starting local conflicts.

[@Oyzatt]

@@nobs997 numbers mean nothing when the end result is clear for everyone to see

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

Lol what land? Have a proof for that one? Of course not.

[@risingsunflagsamemeaningas7472]

Germany is doing well with support... Keep supporting until they say stop It is a very big mistake to oppress other peoples .

[@yankieowl7663]

Deep irony

[@марвелнгокие-хоронго]

They should allow the Namibians to work in Germany too, I think this guy from Okakarara his not making sense at all.... The Chief is fighting for the Hereros and Namas it doesn’t matter if you accepted him as a paramount chief or not. In this case you should become one, even the Namas are not Hereros but they are working together as a team to get what belongs to all of you. Please Hereros ppl leave that pride at home and work together as a team, otherwise you will get nothing. €1.1 billions is nothing open your eyes ppl. No amount of money in any currency can truly compensate the life of a human being.

[@Max-kh1cf]

good, so no compensation then

[@kingabstract2695]

Germany just know Africa will never forget.

[@einhengst2525]

Lothaa Rothaa =:)

[@wackey2k10]

germany needs to send over 1 million hot german women for the local men, that will make up for the loss in civilians in namibia.

[@alexs7189]

Racist.

[@wackey2k10]

@@alexs7189 it's not racist, what is racist was that they enslaved and starved millions there. 1 million women + an increased incentive to mate with these women will aid in restoring the population count.

[@आपकापिता]

please send some here too 👋😊

[@zakaryloreto6526]

@@wackey2k10 Namibia had only gotten a population of 1 million quite recently only 40 years ago. Namibia was never a center of population just too hot, dry and isolated.

[@user-sc8ek9qj5o]

Decolonize and liberate Alkebulan and her children🌞🌍🌞🌍🌞🌍🌞

[@nanaofori3116]

Judgement day will come. Any nation who committed atrocities will suffer

[@stilicho8762]

Oh now i'm afraid😂 What do you want to do? Do you want to instigate your cattle on us?

[@stilicho8762]

Or do you want to cover us with sand?

[@Max-kh1cf]

EVERY nation has committed atrocities! Don't think you are above everyone else

[@worldisbeautiful1937]

Nees

[@khalifa9544]

313 KILLING MY SON TAKING HIS CHILDREN. ..HOW THE FATHER TO GET JUSTICE REGARDING HIS CHILDREN.012

[@garethhayes9982]

When are they gonna pay Greece then?

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

Never. Because Greece doesnt deserve anything

[@garethhayes9982]

@@geisterfahreruberholer2171 its gonna happen their gonna get it all back

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@@garethhayes9982 Not a single penny. Greek is a corrupt state that didnt learn anything. We could restart all economies, Greek would be in trouble in 50 years again

[@garethhayes9982]

@@geisterfahreruberholer2171 thats upto them ... you can't rape, pillage and murder for free , i know im British we know

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@@garethhayes9982 So when will you pay and repair? Ah yes, you want us to do but refuse by yourself. And how long back into past? Even after WW2 Brits killed over one million people in British Raj, nowadays Bangladesh, India and Pakistan.

[@HAPILIPINIM]

Germany is doing the right thing in acknowledging its past, while investing in 30 years of Namibian infrastructure. By that time, 4 generations of recompense will have been revisited (Numbers 14:18). Zev Farber: God inflicts punishment on the sinner and/or his descendants for four generations.

[@roccobln10]

Im the four generation. My son can be lucky.

[@yankieowl7663]

Yeah, cause that's what Germany needs more guilt shaming

[@michelej9496]

fillpinim it also is written chose none of the oppresors ways.

[@mihiec]

Germany never paid back after killing 6 million Polish people... So do not expect anything just than talk. Also German state don't want to return stolen good, art...

[@accent1666]

At least East Germany did reparations

[@eriksonyw]

The Brits too, keeping and publicly displaying all the stolen good, art, and treasures. So wrong...

[@Bob-qu4wc]

This is such a wrong statement, I am not sure where you are coming from.

[@GreenAppelPie]

Don’t forget all the stolen gold

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

Stop lying, Polish nationalist. You stole Germans land after '45. Breslau, Danzig etc

[@faithworkingthroughlovepau7625]

How did they calculate? 👇 1.1 billion euros / 100,000 people = 11,000 euros per human Minimum wage in Germany = 1584 euros / month 11,000 / 1584 = 7 months 1 Euro = 0.061 NAD 7 months / 0.061 = 114 months Well, it sounds like sufficient for a person to live for 10 years! & HOW about the TIME LOST in between? 100 YEARS! NOT about INTEREST RATE!! But, PEACE.. LOVE.. FAMILY.. Is the COST of human LIFE? JUST 11,000 euros! Are you willing to die? If someone will pay the same! Give them LOVE! Give them HOPE! Restore to them 100 years! by Walking with them ❤️🙏

[@robertcollins7353]

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[@Max-kh1cf]

So they should rather not pay at all, since every price for a human life would be an insult? or kill their own people as compensation? At least they admit their fault and try to make it right, even if it's just symbolic. Most countries don't do anything.

[@faithworkingthroughlovepau7625]

@@Max-kh1cf I am just another human being so far away from both the nations. Will I be able to reason on behalf so many people on both sides? No. But, I'd like to express my opinion (humble request) If two people (you & a stranger) are running beside each other in a marathon, suddenly s/he tripped and fell down because you crossed his/her path (by accident or intentionally.. let's not judge). But, that person is badly and deeply hurt. Nevertheless, s/he wants help to continue the race. Will you NOT offer your hand (not money) with ❤️ to help him/her to get back on his/her feet? to run "together" with you! Not for the PRIZE! But for a good CAUSE! Please 🙏 Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, When it is in the power of your hand to do good. (Proverbs 3:27)

[@Oyzatt]

This is ridiculous negotiation. Do to them as they did to you , for them to feel the pain they inflicted on others for their selfish reasons.

[@meneither3834]

Excuse me what are you suggesting exactly ?

[@nobs997]

How far back in history do you want to go to compensate all the killings that happened to humanity? Sometimes you have to let go and move on

[@Oyzatt]

@Blah Blah The golden rule is not there for nothing

[@Johnnygold332]

Germany should pay Poland, Czech, Russia, Greece, Serbia, France, Italy, Belgium too!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@vexversaa239]

Lmao they already have

[@mariuszcieslak3667]

@@vexversaa239 When?

[@rolandcubrevic]

This is a joke right after what they did to my people

[@stilicho8762]

Deutschland, Deutschland über alles! Über alles in der Welt!

[@stilicho8762]

@Ernest Khalimov They both were a hybrid of the superior roman culture and the opposite of it. The wild and strong german culture. This made them to good generals. Why dont be proud on them?

[@HolyLionProphet]

@Ernest Khalimov Holy Roman Empire. Why is it called the Holy Roman Empire. Because it inherited the Rome Empire

[@worldisbeautiful1937]

News

[@Max-kh1cf]

good observation

[@epsilonxvi5675]

Let Namibia Colonized Germany that's should be a good deal. that money also can't build nuke to protect themselve agaisn't Germany if ever they gonna do colonized them again.

[@vexversaa239]

Tf

[@tsiyanendlovubantu1689]

That's a joke. As scripture says consider the many generations.

[@michaelamartinez30]

Scripture has nothing to do with matters of law.

[@tsiyanendlovubantu1689]

@@michaelamartinez30 Scripture is the LAW; genocide is a blood debt with the creator of the Namibian victims.

[@paweka799]

Compensation to Poland please

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

You dont deserve anything. Also ask Russia first

[@paweka799]

@@geisterfahreruberholer2171 Why Namibia and Isreal deserved and Poland did not?

[@geisterfahreruberholer2171]

@Ernest Khalimov reality is always salty

[@vexversaa239]

Already paid

[@paweka799]

@@vexversaa239 how and when?