SSPX: Traditionalism or religious slur? | Conflict Zone

[@TheAchilles17]

The interviewer continuously interrupts and berates the Bishop. He doesn't even let him finish answering before he interrupts him again with yet another loaded antagonistic questions. I'm amazed at how calm and composed Bishop Fellay was in the face of this type of degrading questioning. Bravo to the Bishop for keeping his cool while trying to explain the Catholic position on so many different issues.

[@CH-ec5on]

St. Thomas Aquinas' humility and meekness in debating with others was what infuriated the ones he was debating against. All I saw his this "interview" was His Excellency's humility and meekness and that is what the "interviewer" couldn't stand. May The Lord Bless Bishop Fellay and Our Lady Keep him under Her Tender Care.

[@AlanSextonVT]

+Chris Hall well said!

[@EvocatusX]

Thank God the SSPX exists.Thank God for Archbishop Lefebvre

[@ixtoc999]

+SODMGx M. Lefebvre does not have anything to do with this monster b. Fellay is forming with these castrated seminarians, tame, losers, not soldiers of Christ in the rebranded neo-SSPX.

[@ixtoc999]

***** You have been brainwashed by this phony, Wake up.

[@ixtoc999]

***** I belong to the Holy Catholic Church, but the fellayites are a cult, around the "holy" superior, for whom the obedience is first and next the faith. He has wreck the FSSPX and created a team of yes-men around him. Mr. Sebastian left Fellay with his behind to the wind. He is a phony.

[@ixtoc999]

***** I do not belong to no fellayite cult, around the "unholy superior", a thief that stole the legacy og ARch. Lefebvre.

[@ixtoc999]

***** You are schismatic alright. The cardinals and the pope consider schismatic the neoSSPX.

[@rob7800]

Bishop Fellay is a model of great Bishop. This interviewer is an angry, bitter man. Well done Your Excellency, makes me proud to be a part of the SSPX.

[@KurtGodel432]

Tim Sebastian was so rude in this interview. This is no way to behave towards a prelate of the Church. Disgraceful.

[@POVERELLO47]

Bishop Williamson would have taken Tim Sebastian to the cleaners

[@TimBryan]

+Stephen Poverello He had his chance in 2010...

[@NothingBeatsTheTruth]

+Stephen Poverello | Bishop Williamson was very foolish in granting an interview to hacks he did not know and never bothered to check out. Then, he failed miserably at defending himself by pointing out that the TRUE Holocaust-deniers are Vatican II partisans. By Modernist and Liberal standards any refusal to condemn and denounce the Third Reich and the so-called “Holocaust” is worthy of abhorrence and execration. Right? Everyone, therefore, by Modernist and Liberal standards, must abhor and execrate Vatican Council II because this wretched non-dogmatic council shamelessly refused to condemn the Third Reich and the so-called “Holocaust.”

[@billranieri1459]

This guy is a little herod twisting everything

[@ixtoc999]

+Bill Ranieri That cryptomason Fellay deserved it.

[@blablabubles]

He is so patient.

[@seanjohnson8702]

+blablabubles Answers were needed which would defend the faith, not patience. Most of the world which saw the video did not come away with your (or Mr. Cestak's) feigned admiration for his patience (i.e., The man was trapped. What else could he do?). Rather, most of the world came away thinking that 1) There is no enmity between the Synagogue and the Church; 2) Archbishop Lefebvre might have been a racist; 3) The "recognize and resist" position the SSPX has always (rightly) taken is indefensible; 4) Traditionalists are crazy.

[@seanjohnson8702]

+Sean Johnson To those who would say this was an excellent interview by Bishop Fellay: Why are you not posting it on your Facebook pages, Tweeting it to all your friends, and emailing it to all on your chapel email distribution lists to give it a wider audience? Does not your embarrassment demonstrate that you are dishonest liars, desirous only of conducting spin and damage control, and attempting to use the "Jedi mind trick" (or was it the "Vulcan mind meld?") to recast this disaster into a positive? And if your dishonesty is so flagrant in such a small regard as this interview, what can we expect by way of justification and spin regarding the BILATERAL recognition? Crimethink (1984 by George Orwell): "We have always been at war with Eastasia!"

[@ElNuevoPATRIA]

+Sean Johnson | A COWARDLY, IDEOLOGICALLY-DRIVEN AMBUSH; NOT AN INTERVIEW. It is quite obvious that Bishop Fellay was woefully ill-prepared for this ideologically-driven ambush portrayed as an "interview." Furthermore, Bishop Fellay was not very prudent in agreeing to speak with this anti-Christian bigot. Sebastian's behavior is extremely unprofessional and an insult to everyone, beginning with himself. Sebastian shamelessly betrays his extreme ignorance when he insists that because men and women are equal in some things, they are equal in all things.

[@PadrePi03]

If you ask someone a question....... Let them answer instead of talking over the top of them!!

[@richardraymond7775]

Bishop Fellay excellent model of self control! I was getting enraged just listening to this prideful bully. I guess we ought to pray for both of them.

[@frazerbellfield8036]

This man is really being unfair to the poor Bishop, I really think Fellay has done a good job and he doesn't have an easy one but this interviewer is not cutting him any slack. I support the Society and am very sympathetic from afar.

[@beautyinthenight1986]

“His blood be on us and on our children!!!”

[@drummerdays4646]

Bishop Tissier de Mallerais said "Let us reject also the wrong supposition of some of our friends, bad friends, who say the Society of St. Pius X is now in an abnormal situation. Because we are not acknowledged by the church. The Society of St. Pius X must come back to a normal situation and receive a canonical status from Rome. That is wrong! That is false! We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome! We possess the Faith, the Sacrament and the disposition to submit to the pope. We have the Faith, the true Sacrament and the disposition of to obey the pope! And the bishops. We are of the disposition. We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome, now! We have not to come back! These people in Rome have to come back, to Tradition. Let us not reverse the reality."

[@nunyobiness6967]

It was painfully embarrassing to watch this Shepherd of the remnant of the Church Militant allow himself and his Society to be publicly abused, to the discredit of the faithful and the Truth for which he is supposed to stand. Bishop Fellay backpedals, makes excuses, tolerates this arrogant enemy of the Faith, and allows himself to be pushed into a defensive position. He is weak, apologizes for his expressed views and for others' willful distortion of those views, allows this rude jerk to interrupt and talk over him, and refuses to assertively confront his calumnious accuser or to stand up for the Truth. The pitch of his voice and his timid demeanor betray his weakness. This arrogant British poseur is strengthened by Bishop Fellay's weakness. I'd like to see him try this against Bishop Williamson, or even the new Bishop Faure.

[@Florida1213]

The reporter is a complete jerk! He doesn't let the bishop respond.

[@teresaniumata4030]

His ship will never sink because Jesus is sailing with him.go bishop Fellay.

[@PapalSoldier]

+Teresa Niumata Jesus is not with Fellay. Fellay is a faithless modernist heretic. Please see vaticancatholic.com for critical information on the Traditional Catholic Faith which is necessary for salvation.

[@drummerdays4646]

"What our Archbishop Lefebvre wrote for us in 1990, for us, as a spiritual testament. I quote him, “It is a strict duty for every [any] priest who wills to remain Catholic to separate off from the conciliar church, as long as she does not recover the Tradition of the Magisterium of the Church and of the Catholic Faith!” These are the words of our founder, I repeat. “It is a strict duty for any priest who wills to remain Catholic to separate off from the conciliar church, the so-called “conciliar church”, as long as she does not recover the Tradition of the Magisterium and of the Faith of all times!” Bishop Tissier

[@ewa2524]

Without the Mass the world wouldn't exist any more. So, it is the most important thing in the world.

[@drummerdays4646]

Archbishop Lefebvre said "We want to remain faithful to our Lord, the king, prince and ruler of the world. We cannot change this course of action. So when we get asked the question when will there be an agreement with Rome, my answer is simple: when Rome recrowns "Our Lord Jesus Christ. We cannot agree with those who uncrown Our Lord. The day they recognize again our Lord King of peoples and nations, it is not us who shall have rejoined them , but they who come back to the Catholic Church in which we live. "

[@ssdivizion]

Bishop Fellay just had to tell to the Gestapo-examiner that he has an opinion and asks that opinion to be respected,it is not arrogance,it's the rule of democracy in deed,to have an opinion and publicly say that without someone to condemned you in the start ...

[@seanjohnson8702]

Several observations: 1) Why would Bishop Fellay have consented to be interviewed by this man? Perhaps the answer is provided by an insight from one of the French Resistance forums: "The oral exam before receiving the sect...and confession at the end." 2) Watching Bishop Fellay search for politically correct answers to almost every question gave the appearance of evasion, and this in turn would cause the viewing audience to question the merits of Tradition. 3) Say what you will of Bishop Williamson, but his straightforward answers -proud and confident of their sanction by Tradition- would have made a much more compelling response to the interviewer, and instilled much more confidence in Tradition than Bishop Fellay's struggling responses. 4) Perhaps now Bishop Fellay can empathize with Bishop Williamson in being set-up in an interview? 5) It seems to me that the ultimate purpose of this interview was to reassure the world that Bishop Fellay now heads an SSPX which has undergone a tremendous facelift and evolution: He wants to show the world they are no longer what they once were, while reassuring the priests and laity that they still are what they always were.

[@jackofbalarat22]

+Sean Johnson That's great supposition. Do you write fiction novels too ?

[@IAMSESTAK]

+Sean Johnson Still sowing discord, Sean? You should be ashamed of yourself. You, Pablo the Mexican, and Matthew McDevitt are three peas in a pod.

[@seanjohnson8702]

+Michael Sestak Yes, Michael, it is I who am sowing discord. I'm sure that Bishop Fellay departing from the path of ABL in striving to position the SSPX for a practical accord with unconverted Rome has nothing to do with it, right? You are shooting the messenger for pointing out the emperor's new clothes. PS: What did you think of Fr, Vernoy's comment last week in Sanford, FL that it is a mortal sin to refuse a deal from Francis the Destroyer?

[@IAMSESTAK]

Sean Johnson Dialogue with the Resistance is akin to dialogue with Sedevacantists. No matter how many answers you provide, there will always be more questions. Converting such a person is on par with converting the devil. To save us both the time and the headache, allow me to offer you my prayers. Peace, Sean.

[@seanjohnson8702]

+Michael Sestak In other words, you dare not answer. Peace to you too, Michael.

[@drummerdays4646]

Bishop Tissier de Mallerais: "Rather than read Vatican II in light of Tradition, we really should read and interpret Vatican II in light of the new philosophy. We must read and understand the Council in its real meaning, that is to say, according to the new philosophy. Because all these theologians who produced the texts of Vatican II were imbued with the new philosophy. We must read it this way, not to accept it, but to understand it as the modern theologians who drafted the documents understand it. To read Vatican II in light of Tradition is not to read it correctly. It means to bend, to twist the texts. I do not want to twist the texts." 2009

[@salesian90]

One got to admire his patience^^

[@drummerdays4646]

Archbishop Lefebvre about Dom Gerard: "He was saying, 'We will strive not to have this critical, sterile, negative attitude. We will strive to open our doors to all those who, though they might not have our ideas, would love the liturgy, so that they too may benefit from the monastic life.' From that period, I was worried, considering this as a dangerous operation. It was the opening of the Church to the world, and one must acknowledge that it was the world that converted the Church. Dom Gerard let himself be contaminated by the milieu which he welcomed in his monastery. Rome may be proud to have won a big battle and to have hit in the right place. It is sad...."

[@Galantski]

This show is more precisely called _The Ambush Zone._

[@allenrutledge]

What a despicable interviewer. His style makes it clear he is out to do a "hatchet job" on Bishop Fellay. He gives no consideration to the answers he claims to seek and, instead, interrupts each answer with another question from the "prosecutor". It is a textbook example of slanted journalism which seeks to prove a self professed bias rather than discover anything new. Shameful! This guy couldn't get a job as a high school yearbook editor.

[@IAMSESTAK]

+Allen Rutledge You're right, Allen. But at least Bishop Fellay came out looking like a Saint. There are many people who are being won over to the SSPX after watching this interview. May God bless Bishop Fellay.

[@ixtoc999]

Michael Sestak Saint? Ha ha ha. He looked like a dumb schoolboy and the phony sellout he is.

[@drummerdays4646]

"The only question is to know what testimony we ought to give today in the church. In front of the church. Publicly in the church. What testimony we ought to give to the church. As true Catholics! As a light on the candlestick and not under the bushel of the Second Vatican Council. What is our duty? It is to bear witness! To bear witness for the Tradition of the Church! It is very simple. As true Catholic faithful." Bishop Tissier de Mallerais January 2015

[@teresaniumata4030]

well done ( Lordship ) Biship Fellay

[@catholic9694]

+Teresa Niumata I think his 'ship' has nearly sunk

[@GodFamilyCountryCorp]

This man given the questions is what this world is all about. False love of all religions are alike and good. He is a liberal.

[@seanjohnson8702]

Interesting: The line-out through the words "proud and confident of their sanction by Tradition" was not performed by me (or was done so accidentally and unknowingly). Hmm...

[@crusaderofmary1972]

This is by far the most disgraceful, shameful, horrific interview I've ever seen. That BPF allowed it is quite telling. He would have known what was coming in this interview prior to the interview, so it begs the question, why give it? Sean has possibly summed up the answer to that question.

[@ceadda6604]

+CRUSADER OF MARY May be he didn't know. May be he trusted whoever set it up that this "interview" was going to be fair. Just because he is a Bishop, doesn't mean he knows everything. I have to agree with an above comment, that he appeared humble and did not fight back. Behavior of some one else we are all familiar with. The devil will try to trick us up with our own words. We can't win.

[@ixtoc999]

+CRUSADER OF MARY B. Fellay acrobatic act fail in shambles. He is a master of deception, but this time he met more than his match. Fellay is a whitened sepulcher and a sellout. You can deceive some guys some of the time, but not all people , all of the time.

[@JacobSnell1998]

"And Pilate seeing that he prevailed nothing, but that rather a tumult was made; taking water washed his hands before the people, saying: I am innocent of the blood of this just man; look you to it. And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children." Read the Gospel, the Jews for the rest of time are guilty of killing The Lord Christ. The Maudy Thursday Liturgy in the Orthodox East uses these words to refer to the Jews "the murderers of God, the lawless nation of the Jews". Moslems are the same people that sacked Jerusalem, Antioch, Constantinople and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Christians for not converting during the Crusades.

[@spencercolgan]

Hey Tim Sebastian: you destroyed this cleric. But, you are no match for Bishop Donald Sanborn, nor for Bishop Dolan, Westchester, Ohio. Each will clean the streets with your you know what.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

+Stephan Coohan Amen Stephen. And if Abp Levebvre had continued down the right path (instead of trying to please everyone) those two, and cekada, would be leading the charge for the SSPX right now (and of course this is assuming that the SSPX as a whole would have come to the conclusion that sedevacantism is the only logical choice).

[@catholic9694]

+Spencer Colgan but, they are all heretics like Fellay

[@arthurwohltman9353]

Martin....the improbable is that we have no valid pope and the impossible is that the Church can universally teach error; when both exist then obviously the improbable is the right path. This premise is why the sedevacantist position had no choice but to exist.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

Martin The Church cannot promote universal error, whether or not said error is declared "infallible". The ordinary universal magisterium cannot simply be disregarded as "pastoral" and therefore not binding. This concept is not Catholic in any way. Of course the teachings of vatican 2 are not binding.....but not because they were declared "pastoral" but rather because they come from a false religion.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

Martin I know the Church doesnt promote universal error as that would be an impossibility. This is why the vatican 2 religion is not Catholic. I really dont understand the problem. These same people who you claim are spreading errors (and yes, of course they are) are the same people who, by doing so, sever themselves from the Church...and that includes every last one of the vatican 2 false popes (ergo sedevacantism). Anyone who in any way promotes the documents of vatican 2 as being Catholic has severed him/herself from the Church. As a public figures who promote the heresies of vatican 2, like all of the vatican 2 "popes" have done, they are OBVIOUSLY all public heretics.

[@AzariasDesEduens]

I was baptized in the SSPX last year, and now we are being betrayed by Bishop Fellay ! Only solution : bishop Williamson, or sedevacantism. NO QUESTION TO GO IN APOSTATE ROME ! Poor bishop Fellay : Our Lady of Fatima, pray for him !

[@catholic9694]

+Raphael Archangelus well you have answered it yourself, since the chair is and has been empty from not long after 1958...at the latest

[@AzariasDesEduens]

+Martin Blackshaw I went to the SSPX because I strongly rejected the new modernist and neo-protestant Rome, and now the SSPX superiors want to "kindly" agree with THAT Rome. NON POSSUM !

[@MultiLittlebopeep]

+Raphael Archangelus You were baptised into the Holy Catholic Church not in the SSPX.

[@catholic9694]

+Martin Blackshaw doh! where have you been for the last 50+ years, johnny-come-lately?

[@catholic9694]

+MultiLittlebopeep yes, that is a valid point also 8-)...provided it was a valid baptism, done in accordance to that which the Church has always taught and intended ...

[@mattbrac1]

doesn't make much logical sense-- sspx recognize Bergolio as Pope but then pick and choose what Papal doctrines, teachings and practices to accept-- like a good protestant

[@ceadda6604]

+Matt Blaskovich What comes out of the Pope's mouth, is not doctrine. Sorry. In fact what has come out of his mouth lately, is very far from being decent and respectful, especially in regards to the timeless teachings of the Catholic Church. What comes out from the Pope is OPINION. If anything, the Pope is being the good Protestant, by picking, choosing and in fact misrepresenting Church teachings. In fact, what he has said and promoted is more on the line of freemasonry/naturalism/modernism and all points in between.

[@aricnichols2611]

An interesting interview, but really sad on how low the secular world has gotten in regards to the society and the pope. They don't understand the testimony of conscience, so they attack what they don't understand. Simple as that. Therefore they cannot fully comprehend that we can follow an authority figure as far as humanly possible except when that said person tell's us to sin.

[@spencercolgan]

Great interview. This no-friend-of-the-Catholic Church interviewer nailed Bishop Fellay in his ridiculous position that he can call these popes popes and disobey them. Good job for a non-Catholic!

[@sethsaviero9137]

God bless Bishop Fellay and the SSPX.

[@NothingBeatsTheTruth]

+Spencer Colgan | TIM SEBASTIAN is NOT a true journalist, he is a disrespectful, hate-filled, ignorant zealot, an ideologically-driven hack. Msgr. Fellay was not very prudent in granting this anti-Christian bigot an interview. Sebastian's behavior is an insult to everyone, beginning with himself.

[@restoyeah7596]

Fellay has no balls. To think his speech had awaken in me an interest in his society, and now he backs off.

[@therealandyncrystal]

And BTW what bishop said in previous statements was not a sin it was either fact or personal opinion. He shouldn't have said that, he was bullied ......ugh that interview was disgusting.

[@johnhixson7040]

Fellay is really backed into his corner on the pope issue. I hate to agree with the interviewer but the SSPX resist but recognize position leaves them wide open to attack and they look silly.

[@LongSkirts1]

THE GOLDEN BISHOP February’s Freezing dark Wrapped gray chapel In a foggy-cold. But warm inside Yellow candles spark In the brilliance Of the Monstrance bold. A distinctive nature Knelt in prayer A Bishop cast In Our Lord’s own mold. He’d never admit - Would never dare - “Just pray for me.” He’d scold. But this is a man A true Catholic Shepherd An Alter Christus To behold. And he will not hunt you Like a devouring leopard - But lure With his Fisherman’s Gold!

[@ixtoc999]

+LongSkirts1 THE JUDAS BISHOP.

[@spencercolgan]

Thank you Martin Blackshaw. Now go back to bed.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

As a sedevcantist I have no use for the SSPX....with that said I cannot believe how weak Fellay looked. Again, I have no use for the SSPX but they at least deserve a leader who has a backbone. This was a shameful display on Fellay's part.

[@blablabubles]

+arthur wohltman Really? a sedevacantist? get over yourself. and get over your self absorbed prideful cult which leads nowhere but hell.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

Sedevacantism is Catholicism MINUS vatican 2. Im not the one defaming a person who I call the pope....which is a mortal sin. The SSPX is very Catholic....up until they recognize a heretic as pope....that is when they cease to have any credence.

[@arthurwohltman9353]

How crazy is it that you call a manifest heretic a pope? I have no idea what our Lord has in store, but I know that a valid pope cannot promote lies. You sit there, knowing the Faith, and wait for better days. How often do you think of the countless amount of people who die every day thinking that what Francis says is actually correct? Where do you think their souls reside?

[@arthurwohltman9353]

Milford Excellent summation. Well done.

[@MJ-ee6fc]

B. Felley so weak!

[@dieterh.9342]

Bestimmt ist dieser Moderator intolerant.

[@ihanamoments7183]

What is your sin .... 24:48 The answer, the silence is so funny

[@ceadda6604]

+Ihana Moments (sarcasm) Especially, when he looked intensely at old Scratch in the eye, paused and said "...I talk too much....". That look said it all. (not sarcasm) Laughing? Funny? I think not. He saw the devil and survived.

[@catholic9694]

+Ceadda yeah,right!

[@catholic9694]

Oh, oh....SSPX supporters have a wee problem, me thinks 8-)