V2G: How electric cars could solve one of our biggest problems

[@DWPlanetA]

Would you want to buy a car that can do this?

[@tshlk]

No

[@photoo848]

I'm conflicted. Cars have several disadvantages and we really should have less of them in our society. I can't help but wonder whether this is something the automotive industry is pushing to keep selling more cars

[@user-Cata7sti7ma7]

I want to live in a dense city with great public service, great people, great air quality like during covid and car-free/ most private transportation except mobility assistance for the elderly and disabled and emergency service… But I can definitely see this being useful for a rural individual. But I don't want to see or hear rural cars in the city. This grid system can absolutely help remote area and that the only place it would. combined with nearly every rurals housing having solar/small turbine windmill. Making rural less dependant on bigger structure.

[@eckehardsiegmann9341]

I would do it, if the software/app gives me the power to which minimum charge percentage the grid can discharge the car and let me define the time and state of charge, when i need the car and when it would lower my electricity bill

[@cmk353]

Wireless bi-directional vehicle charging infrastructure will help make V2G much more practical and feasible with out the hassle of having to plug in and out all the time and this is the future proof infrastructure we should be investing in now and not in a few years time having to replace wired charging infrastructure!

[@clivepierce1816]

This isn’t some dim and distant future. We already have it in the U.K. Several million homes in the U.K. already trade their energy, either using V2H or home battery systems. Ours is one of them. Some of those commenting here seem not appreciate that these virtual power plants not only make money for those involved, but also save money for everyone on the electricity grid by reducing demand peaks. The latter are responsible for the high unit price of electricity thanks to marginal pricing.

[@DWPlanetA]

Hi Clive! Thanks for sharing your experience. How widespread is this practice in your country? Have you personally encountered any issues with it?

[@bbbbobbbb]

Do they reduce demand peaks by charging their EVs in the off-peak hours? It seems like this added demand can be dealt with by not having to charge EVs in the first place?

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Home battery are expensive. Most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day doing nothing. Maximum UTILIZATION of owners assets is a cheap way for dirt cheap renewables. Customers can UNLOAD the grid and help central generation by leaving the grid at night.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

DIY men. Batteries, cheap now

[@ikt123]

Cheaper home batteries should be coming soon, I've heard that BYD and CATL may be bringing out batteries that are 20-25kw for 5k USD, this would be a huge huge bargain for so many people, essentially a once off charge for electricity and you'd never have to pay for it again

[@anguscampbell1533]

Another option is having a battery swap for cars. Part of the battery capacity in you EV would be able to swap with a battery in your house. That way the power stored in that same battery could be used for to power either your house or your car or the grid but the weight and cost of the battery system in an EV would be reduced considerably all while being shared with the house. When long trips are required, the extra capacity could be added to give the EV extra mileage. Battery swaps are already being done in the tool industry and the scooter market in parts of asia without major headaches and there is no reason this concept couldn't be applied to cars and homes.

[@photoo848]

09:57 No, I don't want my next car to be V2G compatible because I don't want to own a next car. In my country 90% of trajectories are shorter than 10km. I want safe cycling options and reliable public transport with the option for easily renting a car that one time a month the average driver has a real need for it. Cars are inefficient in use of space and in resources to produce. @DW Planet A can you make a segment about the benefits of a society that is less car-centric, please?

[@yourmommashouse]

Boooooooo

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

You can't go anywhere without a car in the USA, Canada and Australia.

[@DWPlanetA]

Hi! Thanks for sharing! We noted you request ✔ And which country are you referring to?

[@JeffBilkins]

"safe cycling options and reliable public transport" sure but that only works around urban environment

[@photoo848]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa funny cause the whole of USA was settled before the advent of the car. People knew how to get around town back then, why can't we now?

[@davesutherland1864]

Another critical issue is the power company needs to disconnect your car from the grid. When they do certain maintenance or repairs to a local power line, they need to turn the power off for safety reasons.

[@metalhead2550]

The stress on the battery exerted by V2G is significantly less than your right foot!

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Rotor uses 400kw. V2G only 7kw. . what you said is unreasonable (Nonsense )

[@metalhead2550]

Yes.... 7kW V2G

[@ikt123]

@@carkawalakhatulistiwa You just agreed with him?

[@Hukkinen]

People buy batteries for their house + the battery is the most expensive part of an EV = then why it would not make sense to use the car's battery for vehicle-to-grid virtual battery operations? 🤔

[@bbbbobbbb]

(might have been hasty with this, read the replies for smarter people's responses) Instead of improving public transport and using the batteries to store power directly, we're going to fragment our energy storage, spread them across the land, send electricity back and forth so that more electricity gets wasted during transmission. Brilliant.

[@TaskerTech]

hmm, isn't it how it works already? spreading it closer to usage actually saves energy.

[@ikt123]

That doesn't make any sense, power will always go to where it's needed and closest, this is the opposite of a centralised system where coal plants out in the middle of no where send it far away to the cities instead this would mean that power from 1 home would go to houses next to them or across the road

[@bbbbobbbb]

@@ikt123 One reason power generation and distribution is centralised is to allow for load management. In a decentralised system, it is just far harder to control how many people charge and discharge at any time, and they are likely to overload or underload the grid. When you discharge you don't directly send it to your neighbor, it goes back to the grid from whence many people (may or may not include the people next door) may pull their energy from. Many uncoordinated people doing this in even slightly different timings can already disastrous.

[@bbbbobbbb]

​@@TaskerTech It is not only spread out but it also is decentralised which means the grid is at the mercy of various uncoordinated group of people. It is tough to reliably predict how many people will tap in or send electricity back unless by complicated and fancy new softwares for metering and coordinating everyone. The more efficient way is to aid the existing centralised system with more storage. Please feel free to correct and errors in my assumptions or arguments.

[@jimurrata6785]

The "complicated and fancy new softwares" already exist most everywhere. How do you think we have a stable grid today. Also, most homes already have a smart meter, it's just not bidirectional... Obviously there's a lunatic fringe that would "never give up my control" but the meter and the grid it's attached to aren't theirs to begin with. 😂

[@Chobaca]

You forgot to explain that the strain on a car battery is minimal when state of charge is in mid range. It's not like the software will let the car deliver energy to the grid once state of charge goes under a predetermined percentage.

[@SunnyAnnas1pa]

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[@jimurrata6785]

As more EV's retire their batteries or are totaled without battery damage anyone on the grid can have an 'uninterupptable power supply' that either pulls them through a blackout or helps stabilize the grid, without any chance of being stranded. It certainly matters if you have dynamic pricing whether 'harvesting' cheaper electricity to flatten the curve would offer any ROI. Obviously many of us are still waiting for this "environmental nightmare" tsunami of EOL vehicle batteries to materialize. 😄

[@roberthoople]

Cars **ARE** one of our biggest problems! Using one problem to "solve" another isn't progress.

[@pratiksomwanshi]

What happens if the electricity is provided to the grid in the night, but in the morning my car is almost discharged and I cannot use the car for travel?

[@adamlytle2615]

You would be able to set limits on how much is discharged.

[@DWPlanetA]

Hi Pratik! Thanks for asking. a) You can set limits to ensure your car retains enough charge for your needs. b) The systems are designed to be smart enough to avoid discharging your car more than you'd want. They consider your typical usage, the health of your car's battery, and other factors to ensure you're always ready for travel 😎

[@zetitooliveira]

A typical household uses 20-30kWh of energy per day (evening would be a fraction of this) and a typical EV battery capacity is somewhere between 60-150kw and this number is increasing with time. So it would only use a fraction of your battery overnight and you would have sufficient energy to commute and recharge at work for example.

[@aryaman05]

@@zetitooliveira Another way of saying that is 1kW supplied for 24 hours = 24kWh, which sits in between the range your quoted above, and EV cars have kWh rating 3 to 4 times such consumption level.

[@paytonturner1421]

I also been hurting about compress air energy storage systems. It could be a great way to store renewable energy and waste heat and waste cold from industrial processes. I wonder if you guys could do a video on that technology? Anyway, I really enjoyed watching these videos. They are very informative about our energy and climate.

[@jimurrata6785]

I've got to admit there's an awful lot of waste heat in compressing any fluid. Let's take perfectly usable electrons and throw 50% or more away by converting them to pressure and that pressure back into electricity! Thermodynamics doesn't just go away because someone doesn't understand it.

[@navajojohn9448]

Aren't there more bicycles in Netherlands than cars? Maybe they can strap a generator and battery on every bike so the grid can take the charge from it.

[@SigFigNewton]

Batteries are the future of power. If that upsets you, I apologize

[@navajojohn9448]

Does this mean you don't own the electricity in your car and have no idea how much you will have when you need to drive?

[@misterfunnybones]

Your battery is dead because my foundry needed to smelt some aluminium.

[@ikt123]

Negative, in Australia for example we have electricity providers that give you essentially an app, the value of exports changes in line with the grid and you can choose to export or not export with the tap of your smart phone screen.

[@portzir]

V2G is so obvious I'm still surprised it isn't there yet. Guess it has a lot to do with energy providers. It would take out the volatility of the markets which is very lucrative for some market participants

[@SigFigNewton]

It’s good enough for consumers that it will be fought against tooth and nail

[@navajojohn9448]

Instead of an expensive car i use a few hundred dollar generator for the last 20 years. Since no lights at the house probably hard to recharge the car if a storm or grid problem.

[@ikt123]

Who the hell wants a loud noisy diesel generator running on their property instead of just plugging in their car? Also inverters will allow you to charge the car up even if not connected to the grid.

[@PixelAnnas1pa]

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[@eckehardsiegmann9341]

Make the electricity and and grid costs really very expensive during peak demand and extremely cheap in time of overproduction and make dynamic electricity rates mandatory. Add to every street lantern in the cities a low speed smart box with V2G enabled and let EVs park for free, as long as they provide some battery capacity for the grid. As a result nearly everyone will buy a home battery and/or uses V2G and the grid will be stable.

[@GoDodgers1]

The first image after he says "The Grid", is a photo of a Russian antenna system. ooopppss.

[@timsavvy]

Is this going to wear battery faster? Is mining lithium unlimited or at least more widely available than copper?

[@ronvandereerden4714]

Lithium is recyclable. The first car batteries are already new car batteries.

[@jimurrata6785]

The rate and depth of discharge in this scenario is negligible compared to actual vehicle use. NMC batteries can go on seemingly forever in a grid stabilizing use case, and LFP now seeing adoption have _many_ more cycles while not using "rare" metals like cobalt, manganese and nickel. Did we watch the same video?

[@SigFigNewton]

@@jimurrata6785the rate and depth of discharge is negligible? Then wouldn’t the grid benefit be negligible

[@ronvandereerden4714]

@@SigFigNewton Millions of negligible is not negligible.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@ronvandereerden4714and subjecting your battery to this “negligible” impact for thousands of days is still negative? One adds up, the other doesn’t?

[@misterfunnybones]

Let's go all-in on automobiles & embrace absolute gridlock.

[@ikt123]

You don't have to go all in on automobiles, quite simply if just the cars around today had an ev battery and v2g there would already be enough stored power to power entire cities for days

[@stephenbrickwood1602]

Selfparking selfplug-in v2g and trickle currents all day long and all night long most vehicles are parked 23hrs every day. Dirt cheap rooftop PV electricity, and maybe a small home battery.

[@Hukkinen]

Lithium-ion BATTERY LIFETIME can be maximized by minimizing the changes of charge percentages (and not storing it full). So, how do the calculations stand out against this criteria? What if I'd allow 10% of my battery capacity towards vehicle to grid? This depends also on the particular cost at that hour (or 15min as ub Austria).

[@ronvandereerden4714]

Old battery tech had those limits. Barely relevant any more.

[@SigFigNewton]

@@ronvandereerden4714source

[@thelammas8283]

Oh no. Not a solution!!! Slap tariffs on them!!!

[@smallbutdeadly931]

Just hook up your house with a backup battery. I'm pretty sure companies like Tesla already make and sell them. No need to buy an EV with already lacking range compared to a hybrid or ICE.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Lol of course you need to buy an EV. They are great. And yes, stationary backup batteries are nice too.

[@SigFigNewton]

Tesla already has cars with pretty much the same range as a Ford F-150. Range would be a complete nonissue for 99% of consumers.

[@SigFigNewton]

Main differences are the superior acceleration of EVs, the superior music listening experience because EVs run quieter, the reduced likelihood of catching fire if it’s an EV, and being able to fill up at home rather than being forced to go to gas stations.

[@pepeshopping]

NO! Make 100% of batteries SAFE, first!

[@ronvandereerden4714]

Because gas cars never catch fire and don't spew deadly toxins into our atmosphere and don't heat our planet.

[@SigFigNewton]

They catch fire less frequently than ICE cars yet STILL they’re getting safer.

[@SigFigNewton]

ICE car fires are many times more common

[@navajojohn9448]

Bottom line is renewables not able to meet demand changes. NSW in Australia is dealing with it now since people like air conditioning in the summer and some coal or gas plants down for maintenance so not enough electricity in the high demand hours.

[@ikt123]

Renewables are definitely able to meet the demand, it's not our fault you voted for the liberal party for the last 10 years and they didn't bother to integrate renewables properly.

[@SigFigNewton]

Is this post a joke? This was a video about how EVs are a way to lessen the problem you describe.

[@think4all]

Very very foolish idea. While process would cause additional transmission loss only. Better to use solar & keep battery charged for your home & EV.

[@SigFigNewton]

False

[@MBMCincy63]

I doubt this can be implemented during the next 4 years with the incoming idiot. Otherwise sounds promising.

[@MT-ys6ju]

I don't see myself ever buying an EV, but if i did i most certainly wouldn't want power from my EV going back into the grid or would I want power companies communicating with my car.. no thanks! Another reason not to buy an EV

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Also you will own an EV.

[@ronvandereerden4714]

I don't see myself ever buying a car - haven't owned on in 20 years. But if you buy a car more than five years from now, I can assure you it's going to be an EV. You wouldn't buy a horse today. You won't buy an ICE vehicle either.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@ronvandereerden4714 exactly

[@SigFigNewton]

I can’t see myself ever owning a smart phone, I don’t want data collectors poking their noses into my life.

[@SigFigNewton]

I guess EVs are only appealing to people who like better acceleration, better music listening experience due to quieter running car, lower costs to fill up the car, and the ability charge at home rather than having to go to gas stations. For now, at least. Soon, EVs will also be for people who want to save money on their auto purchase.

[@navajojohn9448]

Another gizmo in the car to do the job will add another $1000 to an EV. Terrific.

[@ronvandereerden4714]

If (a big if) it adds cost to the car, you'll make that back in energy savings within the first year or two. Terrific!

[@SigFigNewton]

Lol at the idea that this costs the EV owner money rather than making them money

[@ashikislam8370]

battery company are million millions dollar campaign for ev. because, they have battery business. we don't want turn ev. we want stay in combustion engine. we don't use fossil fuel. we want e-fuel. you know. e-fuel is friendly environment. we should more more produce e-fuel. combustion engnine is cheap. ev is high price car. we want shift fossil fuel to e-fuel.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Please stop. eFuels are the dumbest solution and will fortunately never be a thing for road vehicles.

[@SigFigNewton]

Many times more money is being spent pushing anti EV narratives by much older industries with much more money

[@SigFigNewton]

I’m tired of people trying to force ICE cars on me

[@nethri1]

My next car V2G compatible? I would like Electric Cars to be made practical enough for use...... Everyone I associate with that has tried an electric car is now back on gas / diesel powered vehicles. For context, we all live in rural areas, but they are pretty heavily populated (with 3 major cities within an hour max, and one of them only 15 minutes away). That said, we all travel to see family and other things, plus, we all have to tow trailers and use our vehicles for work. So here are the challenges that has pushed everyone here off where I live: 1) Many of us have family that is long distances away. Mine for example is an 9 hour drive by gas with 3 stops to fuel up with fuel efficient vehicles.In an EV, this becomes 5-6 stops (80% charge) and adds another 4 hours to that drive. On top of that, we also have to change our path because an entire major section has only 2 gas stations, and neither will have EV charging anytime soon - so now add another stop + a 2 hour longer path. Our time to drive to see our family the 4-5 times a year we see them goes from 9 hours to 15 hours each way. That's just.... well, not practical. 2) When towing, the F150 range went from 400 miles down to barely making it 90. This meant the neighbor who excitedly bought it for his Lawn Care business has well.. sold it, because that isn't enough range. 90 miles towing is nothing, and considering we all tow on a fairly regular basis, well, that's not practical either. 3) When we loaded his F150 with what would be a fairly common haul for us (fire wood, mulch, furniture for moving, trash for dump run), his F150 would drop to around 100 miles. Again, this is completely not.. practical... so, how about we focus on making the things actually VIABLE, WORK, and PRACTICAL before we start on pipe dream technologies on an already bad design?

[@ikt123]

They are working on extending the range and reducing the time to charge, you will want to look up solid state batteries.

[@Stef.Cata051]

Or have more robust infrastructure.... c'mon the American grid is way outdated in lots of places and if we're talking about cars providing power you can have dc to ac converters on a regular car essentially creating a generator. Also wouldn't that add more complexity and instability to the grid?... I know it's hard for you to understand mostly because you're of German origins and car manufacturers have the Germans in the palm of their hand but we should have less cars no matter if ev or ice or running on pixie dust... when it comes to cars Germans are one of the worst consumers...

[@navajojohn9448]

Euroland and UK have electricity rates 3 to 4 time what I pay in my state so I don't go there for ideas.

[@ikt123]

Assuming you're American you have an advantage in that you don't have to import all your energy while the UK and Euroland does, so they're obviously more invested in cheaper electricity than you are.

[@SigFigNewton]

Geography: “Do I mean nothing to you?! You refuse to give me ANY credit for the immense savings that I have provided you?!”

[@SigFigNewton]

I guess when one has no logical reason to reject what they have been trained to dislike, they find illogical ones

[@ElMistroFeroz]

Cool, but the video poster forgot about that pesky battery degradation, killing your 500K mile lifespan.

[@ronvandereerden4714]

You're a decade out of date. New batteries outlive the car by a long shot. There is a market to sell your battery to when the car is otherwise done. Companies and individuals are using old car batteries for stationary storage for another decade or so.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Not that much of an issue. Especially if the battery is kept between certain states charge.

[@SigFigNewton]

It addressed that potential issue

[@kridlob5264]

Ah yes let's make it easier for hackers to absolutely liquidate our nation power grid in one move. Still, this could be only good for small towns and not an entire power grid. Instead do something useful like invest in public transport (i.e. trams, trains, buses, walking).

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Rail way electrification

[@blendergrabbeltisch5132]

Wow. Such bullsh*t. Instant unsubscribe.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

please elaborate

[@Nudnik1]

Showing floods storms has nothing to do with current CO2 levels . There are machines that can sequester CO2 / Carbon from the atmosphere. ORCA and others. I work for Power industry in NYC. I did a load calculation on 10 Tesla EV at fast one our charge: 350A at 500VDC each car . 10 cars is about 2 mega watts . An AP1000 Westinghouse Nuclear power plants is 1000 mega watts . Do the math ..... Include transmission line loss and rectifier transformer losses at each charge station. This idea may be a solution. Otherwise it's not possible.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

Carbon capture= scheme

[@Nudnik1]

@carkawalakhatulistiwa no.. I work for US Dept of Energy. This actually is a viable technology being implemented. If we build such devices all over urban industrial areas it would be a reasonable method to reduce carbon . Build such devices rather than military weapons and silly space Mars missions etc.

[@SigFigNewton]

Carbon sequestration is a joke. Achieving it any kind of relevant scale is currently less viable than fusion power

[@YakrifZee]

Why does this sound like a sponsored video for electric car companies?

[@Nudnik1]

Showing floods storms has nothing to do with current CO2 levels . There are machines that can sequester CO2 / Carbon from the atmosphere. ORCA and others. I work for Power industry in NYC. I did a load calculation on 10 Tesla EV at fast one our charge: 350A at 500VDC each car . 10 cars is about 2 mega watts . An AP1000 Westinghouse Nuclear power plants is 1000 mega watts . Do the math ..... Include transmission line loss and rectifier transformer losses at each charge station. This idea may be a solution. Otherwise it's not possible.

[@MentalLentil-ev9jr]

Your first sentence shows that the rest isn't worth reading.