Dynamic Games of Ding Liren, with GM Ben Finegold

GM Ben Finegold discusses the games of Ding Liren, including the recent game with MVL that ended his winning streak. This lecture was recorded on November 11, 2018 at CCSCATL in the U1400 class.
Games discussed:
Gata Kamsky vs. Ding Liren, Aeroflot Open (2011)
Ding Liren vs. Alexander Areshchenko, World Chess Team Championship (2011)
Ding Liren vs. Lu Shanglei, Chinese Chess Championship (2012)
M. Vachier-Lagrave vs. Ding Liren, Shenzhen Chess Masters (2018)
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[@franciscusrebro1416]

"So, what's the answer?" "...fries!" *silent nod of approval* Kid is learning :D

[@douglaslarosa8782]

Ben is the best chess online lecturer. Go, Ben! But stay recording videos 🙂‍↕️

[@coleharvey-shaw4724]

Finegold really is a brilliant teacher

[@thomas6837]

35:57 Ben basically predicted it. 😮

[@f.d.3289]

i have come to believe that Ben actually is God

[@MadaxeMunkeee]

@@f.d.3289 I’ve never seen them both in the same place

[@f.d.3289]

@@MadaxeMunkeee very suspicious

[@beastworld8109]

I came in here out of my mind high and when the little girl said "Ben Finegold" in response to "can you name a chess player who's not me" I INSTANTLY believed I was watching some Charlie Kauffman existential horror schlock and Ben was Phillip Seymour Hoffman in excess dress, but thankfully I took a sip of San Pellegrino Melograno & Arancia and the tart, candy flavour momentarily returned me to focus long enough to post this comment

[@NelsonBoy2734]

Go Ben!

[@kramp8188]

Ding ding ding ding 👍👍👍

[@u.v.s.5583]

Dinnnng!

[@francescoassanti8335]

Feeling so brillant when the rest of the audience has the age of my daughter

[@u.v.s.5583]

Ding pinning and winning, and chilling.

[@bomnitoperro9422]

Tyler is here sonewhere taking notes and saying rawr

[@richardv.2475]

Oh, the good old days. The parents want to shop so they put their children into a very suspicious chess school.

[@jamesieboots99]

I think the biggest question for the championship match is not Ding Liren, but will it be another duo of Liren and Rapport.

[@derhonk6270]

And will they prepare on public lichess accounts once again?

[@michaelwright8896]

Ding Lirens real name is Hector Salamanca.

[@duelme1234]

It's interesting looking back at the videos you used to watch in the past to get better. Although now I feel like saying blanket statements like "x player is so good because they see what the opponent wants to do" is quite misleading? I get that this is a beginner class and was recorded 6 years ago, but concept like "seeing what your opponent wants to do" is the most basic thing ever grandmaster does in their calculations. I am saying this because in my mind (both now and when I was fit to be in this class), it doesn't matter what I want to do if my idea is bad and my opponent's best move refutes that idea (as long as it's findable by humans). The position demands certain actions to be done or has certain leeways that can't be crossed without being punished more likely than not. I often struggled because most explanations are done in this hand wavy "x wants to do y" fashion, making it hard to gauge the quality of an idea (unless it's really bad/good) or under which circumstances should I utilize which idea. Personally, I think explanations of the "themes" of each position are much better at helping people understand how to come up with the decisions made in the game (not just x wants to attack on the kingside/y wants to expand on the queenside/z wants to land a knight on d5, but common configurations to achieve that plan/what are the main counter measures against said plan/how to utilize a piece that you landed on a good square/how each move changes reduces what is possible thematically or what possibilities got opened up.) For example, game 3 the the bishop and knight sac on g6 is a common motif, but how would you come up with the decision to trade bishops from the moment you sac on g6 (yes you are remove a defender, but you are reducing your attackers after all and from what I can tell this isn't a common motif. So what conditions facilitate it being the correct choice here, what about a rook lift instead of trading bishops)? And if all this is happening, why did black play g6 and what are the consequences if they don't? Again, yes this is a beginner class but even in intermediate classes I don't see this often/at all. From what I can gather, grandmasters have a sense of the quality/circumstances these thematic elements and but just aren't communicated fully imo. Obviously Ben are doing these lectures for free (which I'm grateful for) and he can do them however he wants. I'm just sharing my thoughts on what makes chess easier to learn from my experience and you can agree or disagree.

[@King.Mark.]

no one will ever read that,not even you ,true story😂

[@WhiteThunder121]

@@King.Mark. The truth hurts.

[@Tekken3Museum]

@@King.Mark. Well mb tiktok kids won't, I did and as a 1250 scrub I agree, not understanding themes of positions and general consequences of certain moves is the barrier that will keep me a scrub forever

[@johnstones66]

That's what I like. Short and to the point.

[@ennerz-hq8pq]

"I have not lived in the country Georgia" didn't sound as smart out loud 😬

[@SoundAndFuryy]

Wow a lecture from the days Ding was good at chess.

[@spiderchopproductions8172]

Man with 700 elo slagging off the World Champion. God I love KZbin comments.