DYNO TEST #43 FMF VS STOCK HONDA CR500 EXHAUST, WHICH IS BETTER?

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@mikemcduff427
@mikemcduff427 3 жыл бұрын
Peak torque is up but it's not carrying (holding) the power across the rev range. It should be sustaining that high peak torque value farther out in the revs which will make more HP as revs build. It may be having breathing issues. It could be a physical restriction or a harmonic timing issue from the reeds or chamber. Pull the air cleaner out of the housing and make a pass just to see what it does and to check something. Make sure to leave the housing boot connected to the bell mouth of the carb as it will act as a velocity stack which will help make power at the higher revs.. I would expect it to carry that torque level (at least) a little further out before tailing off. While running that pass with the air cleaner out............Also take notice of the bell mouth of the carb and note how much 'Bark Back' (carb spitting) is being thrown out of the carb as it spins up. Use a mirror extension (on a stick) to view the bell mouth inlet. It’s not uncommon to get some bark back as the engine is transitioning 'on to the pipe' through the mid-range revs………….but that should cease after it’s pulling hard on the pipe. If it's throwing a lot of fuel out into the air cleaner boot...........That can generate a 'too rich' condition because the carb is re-fueling an air stream that already has fuel in in. The air cleaner should never be soaked or dripping with fuel when you remove it, which is an indication this is occurring. Barking Back for a prolong rev period indicates the reeds may not be seating completely or seating fast enough because they are too flimsy and don’t match the chambers sonic impulse timing. The reed stiffness ( a specific harmonic value) and chamber harmonics may not be a good match. The reed tension itself and/or the combination of the reeds with a specific chamber may also conflict with the basic port timing of the cylinder. Try a stiffer set of reeds. Make sure the reed stop plates (if there is one on the reed block) are set (bent) far back enough to allow the reeds to fully open. You mentioned something about you added a capacitor to the ignition? Remove it while you are trying to troubleshoot. It may be altering the ignition timing at high revs. You can always reconnect it later if you think it actually helps to start the bike. Put a timing light on it and map the advance (with and without the capacitor) to see what kind of timing curve it is producing just to make sure the curve is what it should be for the CR500. The engines ability to produce a flat torque curve is very dependent on proper timing curve. In general only change one thing at a time as you build an engine up. You will get a better idea of what kind of performance change occurs when you make a particular mod to the engine.
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice. We spent three days straight trying dozens of combos. Max was 56.78 rwhp. I think the 38mm carb might be the bottleneck
@mikemcduff427
@mikemcduff427 3 жыл бұрын
@@KaplanCycles The CC displacement and RPM numbers don't support the need to go to a larger carb. The engine just isn't moving enough air, even at full rpm, to require a larger bore carb. The engine can only pump about 80 CFM based on a V.E. of 90% which is typical for a two stroke engine. The current 38mm can easily flow that and more. You could try a 40mm or 42mm and you might gain a little peak HP........... but you WILL certainly lose some part throttle response down low...........which you don't want on a motocross bike. It won't pull as hard coming out of turns as you roll the throttle on. I don't know for certain but I would expect that because this is a recently designed CR500, (within the last 10 years) it has the benefit of modern computer flow modeling. I'm guessing Honda chose (and tested) the 38mm and found it as a good compromise size for best peak power and best part throttle response. Unless a significant change to the ports were made to increase the V.E. of the engine, which would make it flow more, I wouldn't expect a bigger carb to help much (if at all) but you'll still get the negative aspects of worsening part throttle response as carb size gets bigger. But what the hell.................If I had a 40 or 42 laying around and I could hook it up without too much trouble...............I'd try it just to see the impact of it. Keep in mind that peak power doesn't make a GREAT MXer. One that has the broadest torque curve across the rev range is what you want. Don't get hung up on peak HP numbers. Make mods that produces a torque curve that stretches wide and flat all the way across the screen.
@romper4444
@romper4444 3 жыл бұрын
Listen up students, this is top notch performance extracting info right here. Do u have any reading online I can follow?
@xzantronos
@xzantronos 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikemcduff427 theoretically a 40mm carb with an FMF Gnarly would allow it to keep the bottom end while extending the midrange curve?
@lt.danslegs9737
@lt.danslegs9737 3 жыл бұрын
500’s are death traps.....God I love em.
@100pyatt
@100pyatt 2 жыл бұрын
🔥🤟😛💦💦
@dennismillus4581
@dennismillus4581 3 жыл бұрын
48 tooth gives better traction control. The 52 is raw HP to try and get traction.
@buffering7612
@buffering7612 2 жыл бұрын
Probably what I had as a 15 year old on a 96 cr250 still my favorite bike and I’ll ride anything. It would come up in fourth on power in the right conditions
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 2 жыл бұрын
50+ teeth on a 500 rear sprocket = super wheelie machine.
@OTAlucard
@OTAlucard 3 жыл бұрын
I hear if you put a Cr125 CDI box on a 500 you'll gain 5-7 HP.
@Jacare1973
@Jacare1973 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to run a Hygge pipe. The gains are probably the highest of any pipe. The fmf fatty is probably my fav. Would be the better pipe to run for over all hp gains. The gnarly is good for low end torque but doesn’t rev out as much.
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
100% correct
@TheKillgore521
@TheKillgore521 2 жыл бұрын
Pps pipes are the way to go in europe. The company can't follow up the demand of national and international orders 😅 I got mine booked 2 months from now. It's a cone pipe aswell 😃
@danielarney9729
@danielarney9729 3 жыл бұрын
The learning channel.No visible smoke. They pushed heavier, more moving parts for half the performance at about twice the price thumpers. Wonder if NOx emissions is really that much better on 11 grand machines the industry shoved down or throats. Might leave well enough alone on proving that conspiracy or ebikes are next ball gag with their perfect environmental footprint.
@debodevil6974
@debodevil6974 3 жыл бұрын
Did anyone ever see that video on utube, I think it was in Denmark, Sweden somewhere like that, where someone ran his Lager CR500 on the dyno, but didn't pull the clutch and/or blip the throttle at the end of the run but let the bike over run and after handful of runs it seized up solid. It was a real nice looking bike like that one but a crying shame to watch
@OTAlucard
@OTAlucard 3 жыл бұрын
Most of the people Dyno the bikes and never pull the clutch out. Except Arlan and the other people who are in the know. Sad stuff
@seank404
@seank404 3 жыл бұрын
Would Love to see a yz465 on the dyno
@firstname5418
@firstname5418 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like the sound of a rip roarin cr500
@straighttimestirrups
@straighttimestirrups 3 жыл бұрын
Try running a thicker base gasket. I know a team that ran the Nationals and all they did to the engine was run a .050” compressed thicker gasket than stock, Reeds, Pro Circuit Exhaust and jetting for race fuel. The team owner told me it lessened the hit at the bottom but gave the bike more top end and smoothed out the power. The thicker gasket effectively changes the port timing. The owner didn’t mention adjusting the squish of the head but he was more talking about the port timing with me. So he may have glossed over that.
@Jacare1973
@Jacare1973 3 жыл бұрын
PC is junk. Not a durable pipe at all & it chokes the power.
@100pyatt
@100pyatt 2 жыл бұрын
I've done the same thing before with base gaskets and you're spot on, the top end power gain is very noticeable and widens the power curve somewhat -vs- stock is all bottom end and mid but falls hard up top.
@free-birdrocker8809
@free-birdrocker8809 3 жыл бұрын
Im confuddled, I thought those 500r's layed down at least 60bhp, but this beast is at 52? Keep up the cool videos..
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
60 at the crank 52 to 55 rwhp
@free-birdrocker8809
@free-birdrocker8809 3 жыл бұрын
I got it, manufacturers rated hp, ok thanks gentlemen!
@shawnmoore5621
@shawnmoore5621 3 жыл бұрын
That's a good lookin bike ya got there!
@benbradshawjr2856
@benbradshawjr2856 3 жыл бұрын
3/8" 4/8" reed spacer
@cr-fc5rb
@cr-fc5rb 3 жыл бұрын
great video as always. my 2c lift cylinder thicker base gasket reduce squish and Cc size 39mm oval bore PWK go for a rev pipe. big problem with 500s is the lack of rpm wasting time having to shift. DEP is mid to top with a long silencer will also help rpm. then fit a STIC to the carb (massive over rev and flattens torque curve. big increases in throttle response) try some longer gearing. I use 14-46 gearing to make the most of the power and torque. I found it revs so fast through the gears I literally couldn't keep up dancing on the gear lever with anything shorter. nothing can touch it
@bloomerb4162
@bloomerb4162 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me wonder where they came up with 76 hp on pastranas RM Zilla. It's bigger than a 500 though.
@petergriffin4629
@petergriffin4629 3 жыл бұрын
Go watch the Norwegian dude something leti who built one with more than 90hp, it's not rocket science
@bloomerb4162
@bloomerb4162 3 жыл бұрын
@@petergriffin4629 yeah but those are more for hill climbing I thought. Pastrana not your average rider so I guess he can handle it.
@petergriffin4629
@petergriffin4629 3 жыл бұрын
@@bloomerb4162 my godfather is a two times German 500cc champ 85 and 86, they had around 80hp on their strongest engine, which was stroked down and bored out to rev higher. But that one was only used in really deep sand tracks. Though when he got to ride a works Kawasaki bike with way less power he was still quicker.
@keithpeterson3447
@keithpeterson3447 3 жыл бұрын
@@petergriffin4629 😶😆🤣
@100pyatt
@100pyatt 2 жыл бұрын
@@petergriffin4629 the nitro guys were crazy on them, some would do 120+ depending on % ran. But they would also blow up in spectacular fashion from time to time 🤣🔥
@dennismillus4581
@dennismillus4581 3 жыл бұрын
The pipe you want. Which is no longer made. But, if you can find one it's Gold. The Bill's CR500 pipe. Ask Johnny Lehti. Watch his pipe comparison. Dynoport is a good pipe as well. Rich Daily.
@cliffordgill9052
@cliffordgill9052 3 жыл бұрын
Cool bike, what do you recommend for an 11 year old girl who is outgrowing her Yamaha PW 80?... no brand preference.
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Four stroke ttr125 or crf150 for playing a yz85 or ktm 85 for racing
@dirtrider2234
@dirtrider2234 3 жыл бұрын
My daughter just turned 12 and she’s on a 17’ crf150f. Perfect bike for her, and electric start so no issues starting
@richkrueger2483
@richkrueger2483 3 жыл бұрын
I do miss my 98 cr500
@dominicrobson9055
@dominicrobson9055 3 жыл бұрын
Is this wheel hp or crank ?
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Rwhp
@dominicrobson9055
@dominicrobson9055 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!!! These 500’s are so cool loving the work you guys do....keep sending them holey’s 👌🏻
@chipadams7700
@chipadams7700 3 жыл бұрын
48 14 for me.
@andrewhart9941
@andrewhart9941 3 жыл бұрын
4/8? Really???? I always thought that was 1/2 but what do I know
@jordanschreiner918
@jordanschreiner918 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one that heard that
@CainSample
@CainSample 3 жыл бұрын
😂
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Its actually bigger than 3/8 but smaller than 4/8 or 1/2 and I couldn't think of the #
@honsuzu5033
@honsuzu5033 3 жыл бұрын
@@KaplanCycles 7/16's?
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Thats it!!! Thank you!!!
@jermainejones7115
@jermainejones7115 3 жыл бұрын
No matter what you do to a 500 it's ☠️☠️☠️😅
@robertdoxtator2493
@robertdoxtator2493 3 жыл бұрын
Stop playing games and smack the timing to it...you have good fuel Ken
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
We advanced the timing on the race motor and it lost 1 horsepower
@mikeymike3240
@mikeymike3240 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, never tire of a two stroke cocophonie, the sounds and smell must have been fantastic. Super video Ken. 😎👍👍👍🇬🇧🏍
@philiphart6642
@philiphart6642 3 жыл бұрын
So what about the dyno. Just the pure music of a 500cc two stroke motor.
@bobbyratliff3349
@bobbyratliff3349 3 жыл бұрын
Can we get a dyno shootout of all the big bores you got? I know me for one would like to know the real HP king of the big bores.
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
Eventually yes it is VERY Time consuming with zero return on investment. We spent over 72 shop hours dyno testing over the last two weeks. We got $0. We Bill out at $90 an hour and have a six month backlog of work. The obsession for the truth Can be expensive
@bobbyratliff3349
@bobbyratliff3349 3 жыл бұрын
@@KaplanCycles ohh no dalt it would be very long tiresome and expensive. But it would make for some amazing content.
@ccright8285
@ccright8285 3 жыл бұрын
Love this, I come hear for real answers
@ryanbarker4422
@ryanbarker4422 3 жыл бұрын
52 tooth sprocket works everywhere in all conditions.
@cliffordgill9052
@cliffordgill9052 3 жыл бұрын
I think 4/8 would actually be a 1/2 inch!😂
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
7/16 is what I couldn't remember
@cliffordgill9052
@cliffordgill9052 3 жыл бұрын
KAPLAN AMERICA Standard is tough to remember, I thought these things were all metric?
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443
@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 3 жыл бұрын
A reed spacer/larger plenum made from resin or phenolic plastic wont heat soak. Run them T H I C C. More plenum volume = better breathing & a few more revs.
@joshuaruttenberg9508
@joshuaruttenberg9508 3 жыл бұрын
52 at the wheel is about 75 hp Google boyesen (Pro series Reed’s for cr500) not the power reeds. Not the Pro stock reeds (ProSeries reeds ) they even cost more I hope they have them in stock Great low and great mid range and awesome topend and they’re made for pro riders that don’t need lowend and mid range something like that get them if they make less power I’ll donate $500 to save the roofs get the part number I will find a dealer somewhere in Canada or United States that has a set sitting on the shelf still there’s probably a few retired riders with a set in their toolboxes we just got a figure out the number call Boyesen I know for a fact they make more power on the seat of the pants Dynamometer they made 75 to 80 hp at the motor You just install them and you feel the difference right away without touching anything else
@keithpeterson3447
@keithpeterson3447 3 жыл бұрын
🤪
@andybowyer3602
@andybowyer3602 3 жыл бұрын
Just love tuning👊✊💨💨💨
@Tklatti01
@Tklatti01 3 жыл бұрын
4/8's an inch! Hahahahaha
@KaplanCycles
@KaplanCycles 3 жыл бұрын
i was looking for 7/16 to 1/2 but choked
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