E.53 On Afropessimism Part 1of 2 | Frank B. Wilderson III

[@Shadetreetherapy]

This was a very refreshing conversation. I’m a practicing clinician doing work to realize Afrosurrealism, Afrofuturism, and Afropessimism as tools for resolving trauma. These conversations are very helpful! Keep doing your thing.

[@KenjiSummers]

Please have him on again

[@IAAMJAAH]

LEGEND

[@afiaoni1375]

I stumbled upon Mr. Wilderson's book and a limited publication titled Introduction to Afro-pessimism. I am currently reading the Introduction to Afro-pessimism. This interview is a wonderful supplement to the text to confirm my understanding. It was refreshing, enlightening, and entertaining. Thank you kindly! 😊

[@blackimagination]

Thank you for tuning into this episode! We are glad the content of this episode resonated with the teachings of Mr. Wilderson's texts.

[@vibratehigher2441]

Thanks

[@sambasamification]

Is there something I am not understanding in the analysis? the story mentioned about Samir the Palestinian, sounds like it is lacking a lot of in-dephh analysis of Palestinians! Palestinians say that about the palestinians also in the Israeli colonizing military, how can it be linked to 'anti-blackness' ? it seems like the palestinian Samir, was more affected emotinally by seeing an african sibling frisk and search him (i am sure that African Americans feel an extra emotional when a non-white, or another black cop frisks and search them) is there no analysis regarding this? or were you expecting him to love the soldier, or forgive them, because theyre Ethiopian, or Palestinian ertc..?

[@lorenb7711]

Psychoanalysis affirms the non-belonging of the subject in relation to the social order not its communal connection. Wilderson is offering a staggering misreading of Freud and Lacan’s insights on the Unconscious. If you read Freud or Lacan you’ll see that the pleasure principle is bypassed through the Unconscious.

[@mickeyoshea2035]

No. You are grossly misreading Wilderson. Lacan, like other European schools of thought are unable to comprehend Blackness. Unable to comprehend us, our diaspora. Their minds, and their thought are wholly inadequate when it comes to us.

[@sambasamification]

Arabs and so on were enslaving non-blacks and non-africans too, also Black Africans in Arab regions back in the past, had a lot of different positions and could be higher up, wouldn't that mean the analysis since then is totally different from the transatlantic slave-trade after 1400s? (espeically in terms of afro-pessism?) since it seems to be related to the 21st century

[@sambasamification]

Even back then, there were slavic white slaves, and those from East Europe enslaved by Turks...etc... ? however bit by bit and in the so called 'new world' slavery was reserved to the black african, and there were not black african people who can have positions and be owners etc...? so the whole analysis should be different with the 'arabs' enslaving back in earlier times...

[@CelestialMystique]

I would like to think that the scholars who came up with this analysis knew how to conduct research and were intentional about their expressions before they published… Perhaps your queries can be resolved through finding out how they came to said conclusions?

[@sambasamification]

​ @CelestialMystique I mean if we listen to the scholar here, he uses things that Turks committed rather than Arabs for this analysis and equates them all to each other as one, but they are quite different to be frank... so I am sure there is a lot of intention, the question is what are they?? someone who "Ridicules the suffering of the PAlestinians" for example sounds intentional in what they say... it's a bit tricky... but listening to this specific scholar, makes me feel uneasy!

[@JD-ny3vz]

Arabs enslaved at a faaaaaar higher rate than any other group..Also the earliest forms of anti black texts comes from Arabs. Arabs created anti blackness, Europeans took it on steroids.

[@sambasamification]

The point about the eunuchs and 'Arabs' is actually regarding the Turks، the Ottoman empire, who were basically colonizing arabic regions! Arabs and turks are two different powers..two different ppls...(keeping in mind also, that they really did use eunochs from all races, also not to mention that actual castrating was illegal there, and they were already like that, also they were super priviliged with a lot of power! doesn't make it better, but it gives a more accurate image, if you are trying to discuss some historical events, that could affect the psyche today!) this not to say there is not anti-blackness within arabic communities and everywhere, or that it does not show and continue till today, however, something doesn't add up in the analysis, it kind of feels like there's a narrative, which kind of absolves whites, and equates people who are definitely not white in any way, as whites! i.e palestinians? really? they're white? are you sure?

[@lador67]

what's the timestamp for this part of the discussion?

[@user-qn6mt8mc9x]

@@lador67 34:51