e-Sword vs Logos - 5 Reasons Why You Don't NEED Logos

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Kale Horvath Media

Kale Horvath Media

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@glenn1611
@glenn1611 8 ай бұрын
I agree with many of your other viewers, there's an elegant simplicity about e-Sword. For the layman student it's more than sufficient. I couldn't make head nor tail of Logos.
@No.Such.Agency
@No.Such.Agency Ай бұрын
@@glenn1611 Yeah, Logos is quite a program. I just paid for it and am moving at a really slow pace. It is as an operating system to a computer :) So many settings, one can get dizzy 🤣
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 Жыл бұрын
I love Logos! I am addicted and spend more money than I would like. The content is virtually endless. Enjoy the word of God, no matter what your platform of choice. God bless!
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 7 ай бұрын
@catholictruth102 I do; Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter...... you know, the ones who knew Christ or were alive in his lifetime!
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618
@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 7 ай бұрын
@catholictruth102 knowing the apostles is nothing like learning from and living with Christ! Seeing the miracles and writing about Christ's life firsthand can not be compared to writing about the apostles' experiences. The Bible is the Word of God. No interpretation or intermediary is required. John 1:1 (LSB): In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
@parson8582
@parson8582 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more. Well done. Aligning with God through His Word doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Good job.
@cerebralfaithvideo
@cerebralfaithvideo 3 жыл бұрын
I think I am still going to go with Logos. I do want all of the various different commentaries, lexicon, audio Bible, the whole nine yards. And I want them to be digitally searchable. If I want to look up a Greek word, I want to see how many times that appears in the Bible. I want to type in John 1:1 and pull up all 15 commentaries and which the commentators talk about John 1:1, for example. Not to mention theology and apologetic books that are goid for just straight reading. I would consider myself a lay-scholar (A layperson who researches as in depth as a PH.D). I like to get deep in the weeds. That said, I think E-Sword is great if you only want the basics. Thanks for the video. 🙂
@sorenpx
@sorenpx 2 жыл бұрын
One thing he does not mention in this video is that you CAN purchase modules for modern commentaries in e-Sword. Perhaps not the same wealth of resources as Logos, but modern works are available.
@Dennis-qb1fs
@Dennis-qb1fs 2 жыл бұрын
Take it from me; my credit card company loves me for purchasing LOGOS. Really the only regret I have is that I procrastinated with the price, wish I had bought it years ago.
@o0o_Wheelz_o0o
@o0o_Wheelz_o0o 3 ай бұрын
I understand this is three years old, but here in 2024, E-Sword does all of this.
@willowwillow1969
@willowwillow1969 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I am an older person who isn't very tech savvy. I am also a novice Bible student. I have many notebooks, scraps of paper, & magazine articles. I would never be able to find or compare (or remember) the things I have written down. I am making an effort this year to learn how to study on my phone and computer. I have been overwhelmed with options, but thanks to your clear explanation, this seems like the way for me to go. I am grateful for your help.
@mirjanabosnjak8064
@mirjanabosnjak8064 3 жыл бұрын
Logos is very chaotic for me as well. They also have a bunch of materials you don't need being emailed all the time. I always lose my way and end up rabbit trialing in logos. You can't study like this. E-Sword is the way to go. Thank you for your honesty! Subscribed
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mirjanabosnjak8064
@mirjanabosnjak8064 3 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia brother, I see you are serving on the mission field, will keep you and your family, and the church in prayer!
@mirjanabosnjak8064
@mirjanabosnjak8064 3 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia If you could prepare some videos on missions that would be great
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
@@mirjanabosnjak8064 I actually created a podcast last year called Missionary Roundtable! It isn't on KZbin though, audio only. If you are interested, you can find season 1 on all podcast platforms, or at: missionaryroundtable.podbean.com/
@mirjanabosnjak8064
@mirjanabosnjak8064 3 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia I can't believe what a blessing this is. Brother thank you so much!! At this point the only thing I want to hear about is missions, thank God for you.
@hardwirethesouljer
@hardwirethesouljer 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brother! I'm a layman trying to do what God has called us to do and use my talents to serve our Lord in ministry. This Video was a big help. I was scared that I'd have to go broke to discern the word, but E-Sword is looking like it will be my go to and main for my purposes. Thanks for explaining E-Sword to us!
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, glad it was helpful! I did a whole video series on this channel on how to use e-sword to study the Bible, if those could be of some help to you.
@OneCatholicSpeaks
@OneCatholicSpeaks Жыл бұрын
One thing about Logos is purchasing the library. Logos has levels to purchase. If you have all the resources you need, then there is no more purchasing. You can also pick specific resources to purchase. Once you have purchased that resource, it is yours. Logos’s business model also has the ability to chop up payments to a degree. If you purchase a resource that is part of a package, the price of that package drops accordingly. So up front, it does cost some money however, that purchase drops off when you have what you need.
@TruthWillSetYouFree832
@TruthWillSetYouFree832 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the introduction to e-Sword, since I don't think I knew about it before today. I was never willing to spend the $$$ on Logos, and this opens up a door for me. Some have strong opinions about being dedicated to Logos, but I appreciate the video and resource suggestions, so thank you.
@victor-ut1yt
@victor-ut1yt 3 жыл бұрын
For me, Logos is so much better, once you learn to use it, there is no comparison. Use several years E-Sword.
@experimental2.372
@experimental2.372 Жыл бұрын
What about accordance?
@jimross1765
@jimross1765 Жыл бұрын
I started with E-Sword for a few years and decided to buy Accordance after researching bible software including Logos. It is the best investment I have ever made. Accordance has amazing features for the serious bible study and they have live webinars to ask questions on its many features. It does so much more than just searching scriptures. You will not regret it even if you buy the basic starter kit for about $50 US. @@experimental2.372
@yourfamilytree833
@yourfamilytree833 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kale, I am a user of Logos for a few years. You are correct in your assessment regarding cost. Yes, I have spent a few hundred dollars and I am satisfied with Logos software. However, I am making the transition from MS Windows to a Linux OS. Windows 11 is now out and two of my laptops cannot run Win11. I have been running Linux for a several years and have now removed Win10 and added the Archlinux operating system. I knew of E-Sword and have followed the development of the software for a few years. I was pleasantly surprised that I can install E-Sword on Linux and have installed it on two laptops. WOW, this is great. I have been following your videos for a few days. I do not have to send the laptops to the land fill and can now study the Bible using a Linux OS system. Thanks for the great job on the E-Sword videos. Please keep up the great work and ministry using E-Sword.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, very cool! Thanks for the encouragement.
@thomasvansant6246
@thomasvansant6246 2 жыл бұрын
Like you I've used e-sword for over 10 years but I have not used logos or any other bible program. I used one prior but it was a real dog and I don't even remember the name of it. I used to keep all my bible verse notes in an indexing word process program called Yeah Write (okay I confess I still do as a back up). I totally agree that a good hearty search tool and some basic tools like Strong's and Smiths are all anyone really needs to do quality bible study. But what I've loved about e-sword are two things. #1 a fantastic verse oriented study note tool. Over the past 20 years I've read hundreds of books, and done scores of bible studies, not to mention all my sermons and e-sword has allowed me to cross referencing them by verse which is important to me. If I preached or did a bible study on 1 Corinthians 13, I want to know what I was saying in the past. literally Second and enormously valuable to me are it's Topic Notes feature. First, there are tons of these resources available online but once I learned to set up my own I've gone to town. I've set up scores of Topic Notes. I'm sure others do stuff like this in a word processor the ability to indexed them right in e-sword works great for copying and pasting. I guess this is where some people want to keep their sermons, I'm more interested in having references close at hand. I've entered in the Revised Common Lectionary in a format I prefer so that I can reference it by the correct Sunday, I've created a Topic Note on Prayers that I've encountered and when I've used them, I have a Daily Office Topic note to tell me the readings for the current Book of Common Prayer Daily Office readings, I have hymns entered and indexed as I do sermon planning. This feature is so flexible and handy that I can't over state how great it is. All in a free program! A program that I'd bet other than a regular donation that I make when I update, I haven't spent $100 on in the last 10 years! I wish the support was a bit better, but the program is fantastic and I'm a die hard evangelistic user. Thanks for your review.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
What a great review! This is a goos testimony of the huge potential available within e-Sword. I personally use Dropbox to organize all my sermons, but I love the idea of consistently using the notes section to archive all of your own topic & scripture notes. I do this in my Bible margin, but how nice would it be to have a digital copy? Thanks for the post!
@AromaMomBibleStudy
@AromaMomBibleStudy 3 жыл бұрын
I love Logos but I appreciate having options in the body of Christ. I do remind people about the free options of Logos. Also, paid Logos is available on a monthly basis for as little as $10/month. Thousands of dollars up front are no longer required. For some people that may be enough.
@sallelanka1
@sallelanka1 3 жыл бұрын
I fully endorse Kale’s comments.Irrespective of the money angle esword is simple to use and has a powerful search function.
@matthewwysocki5019
@matthewwysocki5019 2 жыл бұрын
Good review. Another option is Accordance. It is clean (no clutter), accessible, and makes the Word central. It does cost. However, with the option to incorporate web material into its interface, it is fantastic.
@stingrays713
@stingrays713 Жыл бұрын
E-Sword combined with OneNote on my surface pro 8 is a perfect and powerful combination for me…
@cjsm1006
@cjsm1006 Жыл бұрын
OneNote is a very useful program. Everyone should give the free version a try.
@TheRebeccaLivermore
@TheRebeccaLivermore 8 ай бұрын
I know you wrote this a long time ago, but I would love to hear how you use the two together.
@larryg9137
@larryg9137 Жыл бұрын
I think this video should be VERY helpful for the hungry heart looking for help researching the Word of God. I initially purchased the Logos program back in 2002. After about 3-4 months I gave it away and started using E Sword. Simplicity was the issue, and E-sword gave me plenty of tools to work with. Now, a good 20 years later, literately hundreds of new volumes have been offered via E-Sword. Complete Sermons of Spurgeon, Lange's Complete Commentaries, many new Bibles and Dictionaries. etc. The nice thing about E-sword is that it offers Bibles in other languages. The resource's available for E-sword are vast, and if you outgrow the free modules they offer a limited selection of 'paid' modules that will not drain your bank account. Many author's will make their works available for digital copy for a small fee as compared to the charges for the a physical book...and lastly, e-sword is really easy to use.
@RandyGrace
@RandyGrace 3 жыл бұрын
It's true that the Logos packages have a lot of resources you don't want. The rule I use is add up the value of the resources in a package that you DO want. If the individual cost of those resources is greater than the cost package, then you're still getting a better value than buying them individually.
@timohanes
@timohanes 2 жыл бұрын
I do something similar, but maybe a little more complex: I look at each resource in the package and evaluate, at what price point would I be willing to buy it. I add it up and compare to the price of the whole package.
@GuruishMike
@GuruishMike 2 жыл бұрын
Logos offers a free book, and discounted related books each month. Their other two sites also offer a free book each month as well.
@koushik990srpt
@koushik990srpt 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video brother. I am a lay person, and I have used only their phone apps. While Logos is very good, the speed and clean interface of the e-sword app makes me use that as my number 1 Bible app.
@rosslewchuk9286
@rosslewchuk9286 5 ай бұрын
I too, am an e-sword fan, and very conservative when it comes to commentaries: preferring pre-20th century works by believers. However, Logos has powerful lexicological tools such as word usage graphs, for people who are more linguistically talented. For ""boots on the ground" pastors and teachers, a solid TR based Bible, seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and e-sword are all we need. Thanks for your honest video!😎👍🙏📖 FYI: The STEP Bible is very good and free as well.
@socialwill
@socialwill Жыл бұрын
Logos is expensive, but you can start with the free version and even something basic like fundamentals for around $60. You get a free book a month and a bonus book on your birthday. Later if you want to upgrade you can, and you only pay once. If you buy the latest version it is your for life. You then just have to purchase the feature upgrade if you want it, and that is usually every 2-3 years.
@bosse641
@bosse641 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting software. I might give it a try. Thanks for the info. I already have the e-Sword on my computer, but I tend to use my Tecarta account, where I have already bought a lot of content.
@OpenMyEyes
@OpenMyEyes 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Kale. The tools you mentioned are the only ones I use as well. But I have the other "pods" downloaded and to be honest, I don't even know why other than they are free. I never go to them.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Roger!
@voidsabre_
@voidsabre_ 2 жыл бұрын
You can also get Logos for free now, with a decent set of older resources like Luther books, Matthew Henry's commentary, some RC Sproul writings, and like 50 other (somewhat outdated) resources + several bibles
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know!
@DivinePurposeIntl
@DivinePurposeIntl 2 жыл бұрын
MY FAVORITE STUDY EXPERIENCE IS BOOKS!! The paper hardcopy books!! Because when electric power goes down, I still have books and can use daylight or candles!! LOL Now days used book stores have them for less because everyone is getting rid of them for electronic programs!! Bible Gateway was a great FREE online with Tools, but now they are wanting money for the Tools and they have removed the Study aides, Tools, but still have the FREE Bible with many Versions for use. E-Sword another great FREE resource of Bible AND TOOLS! And YES, I too am a Pastor, Missionary, Minister of God's Word, and WE ALL NEED TO HANDLE THE WORD RIGHTLY WHEN WE STUDY TO KNOW HIM, AND SERVE IT TO OTHERS. NOT using other people [commentary writers] opinions, thereby promoting "another gospel" than what the Holy Spirit through the resurrection power of Jesus inspired His disciples to write. Keep it pure so you will be found pure before HIM.
@analyticalfaith
@analyticalfaith Ай бұрын
I have both the hard copy and the electronic copy of a lot of my books so that they are available no matter what. However, that requires money investment and some people just can't afford that. E-sword is a great option in that case. I love the look and feel and process of using an actual book, but I don't have the time to search them for specific things I need.
@michael029138
@michael029138 2 жыл бұрын
Tried other Bible software in the past, and than I found "Logos v1.4". I am now using "Logos 9-Silver". If you want to deep dive into the Bible, and I mean "deep Dive" you will need Logos software. This is for real "Academia" students. Many Bible studiers do not have to study at this level. But as a Pastor and teacher, this is the best tool for me. In the end, use what is best for you.
@WilliamWallaceRoss
@WilliamWallaceRoss 3 жыл бұрын
I have been using Logos since its inception and also have Accordance. My Pastor uses Logos. I have used e-Sword and did not enjoy using it. Logos has replaced my need for hardcopy books, which I can not give away.
@sorenpx
@sorenpx 2 жыл бұрын
I think we should always maintain a physical library. Not only must a physical library be physically stolen to take it away from you, but I think we already stare at screens more than we should.
@javaman714
@javaman714 Жыл бұрын
I’m a lay person and have used both but it’s been years since I’ve used e-Sword. I’ll be downloading it tonight to see how it works. I did notice the iPad app is $5.99 for it, which I thought was odd.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Yes, so the PC windows version is totally free. The Mac version has a small cost. And the Apple app and Android app both cost a couple dollars. Not sure why, probably something to do with hosting. Definitely worth the few dollars, especially compared to other expensive products. And, in my opinion, the couple dollars supports the developer who has made this available for free (or almost free) for years now.
@DavidBucci
@DavidBucci Жыл бұрын
Correction - Logos has a free full desktop and mobile app, as well as the web app. And the free app has all the core features. E.g., when you buy any book (or use any of the free books that are released every month), each book is fully integrated. You do have to license/pay for higher-end features. I would be very interested in an impartial, objective comparison of the free Logos vs. the free e-sword - without spending ANY money, what do you get in comparison.
@mrleney9904
@mrleney9904 Жыл бұрын
Yes Dave this would be good to see. From having looked today quite closely at the free Logos, it does seem E-sword compares quite favourably with free books. But the interface isn’t nearly so good!
@johnrieley1404
@johnrieley1404 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your experience. You said, if you have been using computers since the 90s, well, some have been using since the 60s friend.
@bkraft
@bkraft 4 ай бұрын
I've used e-sword since the early 2000s. I have used Logos and Olive Tree. All great bible software. But I primarily use e-sword as a bible reading COMPANION. These days I do my reading in either the KJV or NASB Cambridge Goatskin bible, and I have my handy dandy e-sword with me so I can do a quick bible compare or strong's lookup as needed. I have my e-sword loaded up with the YLT, LITV, LSB, MKJV, NKJV, NAS95, NAS2020, CSB, and NIV. I love to be able to click on a verse in e-sword and get a quick compare of all the translations. Or I love to click on a KJV strong's number and look at the word there. It's great for cross references, etc.. Then I'm right back in the text (actual paper). I have e-sword loaded up with custom commentaries that I've added as well. E-Sword is the perfect companion app to bible reading in my opinion.
@dr.ashleyfrank8045
@dr.ashleyfrank8045 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a minister in a developing country. Logos expects all users, irrespective of their location, to pay the same amount in US$ for the product. I'd love to try logos but for what it's worth there are always more pressing needs for that kind of money here. Logos or have the church roof fixed after the flood, which should any pastor choose.
@voidsabre_
@voidsabre_ 2 жыл бұрын
There is a free version of logos and a $50 version
@melevin3
@melevin3 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I have Logos and it's really complicated . Ian now trying Esword
@josijusts
@josijusts 10 ай бұрын
Logos has many features that e-Sword does not, for example: creator and manager of sermons, instant translator, integrated and synchronized search across the entire library, wide language option (including BR Portuguese), possibility of synchronization across all platforms (mobile, PC and web), vast library of translations, Timeline feature, and much more. I recognize that Logos is a big investment, but in my opinion... it's worth it.
@gerryswetsky2949
@gerryswetsky2949 Жыл бұрын
Another plus for Logos. I no longer have e-Sword on my computer so maybe I'm out of line here My present and most used setup with Logos is the New American Standard Bible with the King James to occasionally compare. Also I have the New American Commentary on my screen I have the NAS Commentary for all Bible books but Ephesians. Are those available on e-Sword? I know - I had to pay for those............
@kellysdad2326
@kellysdad2326 3 жыл бұрын
e-sword is the most user friendly aside of being free to download.... The most practical app in the market.. you don't need to invest a large sum of money just to be a student of the Word!!!
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@josijusts
@josijusts 10 ай бұрын
I've used e-Sword for many years, and it really is a very good Bible study tool! However, I can't see a comparison with Logos Software... Logos is incomparably better in every aspect: custom searches, resource synchronization. libraries, and more interestingly for me, as I am Brazilian, the entire application is in my language and also a large number of books. Another difference is that version 10 of Logos already comes with a translator, and even though there are books in several languages, I can read them in Portuguese! For all this set of features, I consider Logos to be incomparably better! The only point to take into consideration is price - it is a very high investment. But, if you were to buy all the content individually, it would be much more expensive!
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 10 ай бұрын
Very understandable points brother. My goal when I made this video was to show young Bible students that you don't NEED (key word) to spend a bunch of money to start studying the Bible. All you need is a Bible, and a handful of free resources. Of course, anyone wishing to invest in the tools of their craft are not foolish. I have done so myself in other ways, just not with logos. I still use e-sword to this day as my primary Bible study software. Have done so for many years.
@jimpurcell
@jimpurcell 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Helpful.
@bbedeschi
@bbedeschi Жыл бұрын
thx for sharing! cross references work wonders! and I just noticed the commentaries from David Guzik are also available for download! update: I have been using the program but unfortunately is too unstable for me. update 2: after trying the most popular ones I came back to e-sword. UI is clean and straight forward compared to the other bloated programs. I wish the tech team can still make it more stable though.
@BneiAnusim
@BneiAnusim 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, Logos is VEEEEEEEEEERY expensive but is BY FAR WAY SUPERIOR IN EVERY WAY to e-Sword! I don't work for Logos! If you don't have the money you literally can't have Logos, SILVER is $800 and PLATINUM $1,720. I'm not criticizing but (as a developer myself) software development costs a bunch of money but if you think about it, BIBLE COLLEGE costs WAY more! and chances are you will never have access to the material Logos is giving you! 😉
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
Good points! And I totally understand where you are coming from with this. Sure, it is superior in the amount of resources it provides. I'm not arguing that. Also, I completely agree that you should pay for things that were developed by skilled people. My father is an auto mechanic, and has often told me that he has spent countless thousands of dollars on his tools. But, his tools are what allow him to make a living. So it's not wrong to invest financially in the tools of your trade. I have hundreds of books on my shelves myself, and graduated from a local Bible college through my church. But, I would also posit that a good Bible will cost you $50-$100, and e-sword and work-ethic are free. If you are a vocational pastor and want to invest in your study tools, by all means do that. You will in one way or another. But nobody NEEDS (that's the point) this software to study to show themselves approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. :)
@rufuscliffvictor1958
@rufuscliffvictor1958 3 жыл бұрын
Agree with you pastor. Kale
@Dragon-Slay3r
@Dragon-Slay3r 2 жыл бұрын
They show the mouth watering E sword to hide the E belly drop
@PrestonMiddle
@PrestonMiddle Жыл бұрын
Are you related to Alan Horvath
@DunstanStLuce
@DunstanStLuce 10 ай бұрын
Is the Greek Bible found on e-Sword?
@jimpurcell
@jimpurcell 2 жыл бұрын
Just downloaded eSword. It has some resources that my Accordance and My Logos don't have. Thanks!!!
@DevlinDomini
@DevlinDomini Жыл бұрын
I’ve bought lots of stuff for e-sword from 2nd parties and it’s not that expensive.
@gibsonguy5240
@gibsonguy5240 10 ай бұрын
Are these bible study programs all utilized "online"? or are they downloaded on to the hard drive of the computer? Thanks
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 10 ай бұрын
This program, e-Sword, is a downloadable program that works without internet connection (after it is downloaded and installed, of course). Some other online bible study tools include Blue Letter Bible and Bible Gateway.
@aubiejazz
@aubiejazz 2 жыл бұрын
I have used Logos for many years and I love it BUT it will no longer run on Windows 8.1. Because of that I use E-Sword on my older computer and Logos on my Windows 10 computers. E-Sword is very easy to use and for a free app it is wonderful. One point about Logos that I would like to mention. You will get email on offers almost every day and two offer on some days. You can turn of all emails from Logos but I like to get heads up on the free book of the month. Thanks Kale!
@sorenpx
@sorenpx 2 жыл бұрын
That's weird. Windows 8 is not THAT old.
@GrantsPassBaptist-Church
@GrantsPassBaptist-Church 2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this review!
@wolves201
@wolves201 7 ай бұрын
Have come to this one very late but Olive Tree often goes under the radar when discussing bible software. I have the basic Logos which is fiddly if you dont want to spend time learning how to use it. OT on the other hand is much morr pleasant visually and wins hands down on mobile devices. Desk top version of OT is ok but not as sophisticated as Logos, Accordance etc. There is no automatic or easy click function in OT to create morr than two window views. You have to open a resource is a new window then manually resize and place these windows in your preferred layout. These a separate to your main view so you when you click on main window your new layout disappears. You have to select the new window view to go back to it. Also, you cant save these layouts. It’s somewhat dated now and lagging behind all others in this item of functionality. That said, its still the most pleasurable viewing experience in my opinion and its free, although you do pay for the products.
@deebree1054
@deebree1054 Жыл бұрын
Can I share my data across devices? I LOVE esword but am about to swith to logos or Olive Tree because I have yet to find a way to share my data from my Laptop to my phone and vice versa
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no, I don't think so. Not between mobile and PC versions at least.
@vancesnyder2426
@vancesnyder2426 2 жыл бұрын
Is there a function for studying the original languages and greek dictionaries?
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Yes you can. Watch my video about downloading free resources. There is a number of Greek & Hebrew Bibles, dictionaries, & lexicon available. Including Strong's concordance too.
@nicholassilverio2227
@nicholassilverio2227 2 жыл бұрын
Strong's is quite good for basic Hebrew and Greek Bible study.
@freeinhabitant2422
@freeinhabitant2422 Жыл бұрын
There is not (There is, was wrong on that one) a mobile version of eSword, which means that one may not use, say a tablet, which I really love. I'd also like to point out that my denomination has so much available in terms of scholarly information that it easily consumes my available Bible study time.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
There is. I've done 2 videos about it.
@freeinhabitant2422
@freeinhabitant2422 Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Yes, I noticed your video after that comment. Thanks.
@glenn1611
@glenn1611 8 ай бұрын
I think the tablet version of e-Sword is the best one, and I say that as someone who uses it across all platforms.
@crucifiedlife9700
@crucifiedlife9700 6 ай бұрын
Would have been nice to know this before I spent $28,000 on the Logos and still have to constantly refer to train videos (that I had to purchase) and still can't use it without difficulty.
@JensenSarpy
@JensenSarpy Жыл бұрын
I don't like Logos' TSK program because I'm KJV only and the TSK has the verses in KJV but all the cross references are from the ESV which is strange and not good. I looked all throughout Logos and didn't ever find a KJV-TSK. But e-Sword has a KJV-TSK and that's another 👍 for e-Sword!!
@JasonSchoeman
@JasonSchoeman 3 жыл бұрын
Can you tell us what is good commentaries on eSword? *Nevermind, you say it later :)
@matthewwysocki5019
@matthewwysocki5019 2 жыл бұрын
BTW: I had Logos, but it was just too distracting for me. Accordance opens up to a work space that has Bible version, commentary, and other features that nuance your study of the Word.
@jonnyboat2
@jonnyboat2 2 жыл бұрын
I just downloaded the Logos app from Google Play yesterday on my android tablet and didn't pay anything for it as far as I know. It came with 119 resources in my library. Are you saying they're going to hit me with charges or haven't you tried the app for a tablet or phone yet?
@voidsabre_
@voidsabre_ 2 жыл бұрын
He was just going off of information that is now outdated. Everything he says about Logos was true at one point, but some of it was outdated even when the video was brand new
@ricksavi5735
@ricksavi5735 11 ай бұрын
Let me know what you think of it.
@jdvandeventer
@jdvandeventer Жыл бұрын
Thank you . I just wish I saw this video 2 days ago before I purchased Logos software. I agree, Logos seems so cluttered and I feel I have wasted 50 USD .e-Sword is much better.
@No.Such.Agency
@No.Such.Agency 2 ай бұрын
Can’t really answer for everyone what they need until you find out what they need :) I couldn’t afford Logos for a while, but as they are switching to a subscription model, I’ve decided to invest for years to come. It’s a good thing that E-Sword is affordable. To get started one really just needs a paper Bible and the Holy Spirit to guide them. So you don’t even need an E-Sword for that.
@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy
@jesuschristbiblebiblestudy 9 ай бұрын
Logos is very costly. Olivetree is a good resource too.
@GodsChild77_
@GodsChild77_ 2 жыл бұрын
Yes Logos face format is a little overwhelming.
@SolidRockChurchSanAngelo
@SolidRockChurchSanAngelo 2 жыл бұрын
You can easily remove all the initial cards by default when you open the dashboard in Logos. This allows you to open to a blank page, if that's what you prefer.
@BlessedOne-jp1cy
@BlessedOne-jp1cy 2 жыл бұрын
I use e-Sword exclusively learned about it from Bible School
@PastorCory
@PastorCory 2 жыл бұрын
The basic logos is 50 bucks, I don’t get the rub? And they offer payment plans for what you may want. Also they have a 5 dollar a month subscription plan and you get ALL the resources. So if no one has ‘a lot’ of money surely they have 5 bucks, if not get a real job.
@davidbergeron78
@davidbergeron78 11 ай бұрын
Logos is cluttered. KZbin training it critical but abundant for Logos. I’ve been using e-sword for decades. Just started using Logos. Still deciding. E-sword just added Ultimate Cross Reference Treasury, which is a great resource. It is not available on Logos.
@cjsm1006
@cjsm1006 Жыл бұрын
In regards to your comments about e-Sword having a traditional interface. In my mind that is a big plus, for the reasons you enumerated, and more. I have Logos, and while it is a powerful and even awesome program, I find the design clunky and non-intuitive. What happened to the old days when there was a menu with the many functions on drop down lists. Now, with the modern interfaces, all you have is a bunch of random symbols, where you have to hunt all over to find a function. These modern interfaces are terrible, and the standard menu interface is far superior. Well, the ribbon in Microsoft Word is OK, but Logos is nothing like that, its just a hodgepodge of unintuitive design elements. But once you do learn some of the ins and outs of Logos, it is a extremely powerful program, although very expensive if you build up much of a library.
@Ambientes
@Ambientes Жыл бұрын
Too late I already bought it
@curiousfox5074
@curiousfox5074 6 ай бұрын
i have downloaded e sword it asap
@thanatoskatakrima5864
@thanatoskatakrima5864 8 ай бұрын
The problem with e-sword is that many copyright laws are violated! Too many people making modules without permission! LOL E-sword couldn’t pay you even if they wanted to!
@normankellogg6624
@normankellogg6624 Жыл бұрын
I have e-Sword, and if I can use it, ANYONE can use it
@RandallLind
@RandallLind 8 ай бұрын
E-Sword looks to crowded. I like it but they should change the look and feel. It is stuck in the past. It looks like a Windows 95 app. I have Logos and I like it a lot. I brought it years ago basic package. Before that I had a pirated version of Libronix. I brought it because stealing the word of God made be feel bad. I would like to upgrade to a Preacher package some day.
@crih721
@crih721 2 жыл бұрын
You are partially right. It is true that Logos can cost a lot of money. But, still, you decide how much (if any) money you want to invest. Second, the moment you want to go deeper into the Bible, Logos gives you MUCH more information. E-Sword tells you the Strong's numbers but there is no analysis of the grammar. Logos gives you both (for the OT and the NT) and more. Bottom line: it depends on how deep you want to dig. For me, E-Sword is fine for any Christian. But for preachers, theologians and interested Christians, I suggest trying Logos - you might find it more helpful. It's worth the time (there are short videos that will give you an idea what you'll get).
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks brother. I understand where you are coming from. However, believe it or not, there was a time when pastors and theologians only had their Bible, and maybe a good dictionary. The Bible has everything you need. It's up to us to put the work in. Nothing wrong with good tools! But I do stand firmly on the sufficiency of scripture. God bless!
@lloydcrooks712
@lloydcrooks712 3 жыл бұрын
E sword is the best all the church fathers all the Greek Bible's commentries the android one is even better
@lloydcrooks712
@lloydcrooks712 3 жыл бұрын
Just to add about e sword it has all the early Church fathers greek text of Bezae scrivener TR Byzantine Westcott and Hort greek new testament with variants
@alonzomccloud4530
@alonzomccloud4530 Жыл бұрын
The esword I'm looking at on Google play cost $2.99
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Free on PC. $2.99 on Android. I made another video about the android app
@mhenzler104
@mhenzler104 6 ай бұрын
His bias is obvious, he uses one software exclusively, so of course he prefers it. I just want to address a logical fallacy: The video is a bit like comparing a bicycle to a car. I can give you 5 reasons why you don’t need a car. 1) They are very expensive. 2)You live in a city where your work, schools and stores are all close by. 3) There is good public transit for things farther away. 4) There are many added expenses to owning a car, and 5) Riding a bicycle is better for your health that riding in a car. Many people would say, ‘That’s fine for your needs, but my needs are different.’ I assume for nearly all people who do serious Bible study, they want to build a library, and for that you need to purchase books. In Logos you do NOT need to purchase any program features. You can get the free version for both computer and devices, and only buy books. Therefore, BOTH E-SWORD AND LOGOS ARE ABSOLUTELY FREE. I used to have two rooms of library when I lived overseas. When I moved, I decided to go digital. (There are pros and cons to both, so that’s not worth arguing, only evaluating) Now I can access all my library on my phone AND my laptop AND my iPad, wherever I am. Yes, ebooks are expensive, but so are paper books. If you use ESword and buy a bunch of paper books, you aren’t coming out ahead financially. Books are tools, and what tools you need depends on whether you are an amateur, a hobbyist, or a professional. You just have to answer the question for yourself, Do you have simple ‘bicycle’ Bible study needs, or more powerful ‘automobile’ Bible study needs? E-Sword IS great, but so is Logos!
@arepadetrigo
@arepadetrigo 11 ай бұрын
E Sword is $9.99 on Apple store.
@BobbySmith-ek9fl
@BobbySmith-ek9fl Жыл бұрын
So you admittedly did say you have a bias here and I believe that shows. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't believe you NEED Logos nor eSword. But, I don't think you characterized Logos in the most appropriate way possible. As this was mostly a "I recommend eSword because I don't understand Logos and it cost money", which is fine. And I agree that a lot of pastors or shepherds what have you can't afford the bigger packages in Logos. And I've actually taken the last like 4 hours to learn what Logos is, the different plans, how to use it, etc. And the biggest thing about Logos you didn't really point out is the library. Yes it's good for traditional Bible study like eSword. But it's power is in the library is where the power is. Cause you spend $300 on a high ish end plan, yet get the value of $3,000. And I just don't think you fully understand that, hence your aversion to it. I'm not trying to be argumentative just for the sake of it. But just saying as you said this is a very biased video. And I do agree for less tech savy people eSword is likely better. But I think what Logos is doing is not only appealing to the newer generation; but allowing Pastors and people in ministry to go deeper faster and cheaper than ever before. For a stand alone quick Bible Study, sure eSword is great. But the power of Logos is so much more than just that.
@MrPCApps
@MrPCApps Жыл бұрын
6 th bluelitter is free.
@AguileraFM
@AguileraFM 2 жыл бұрын
Logos 10 is the best
@Shamahyadah
@Shamahyadah Жыл бұрын
#FACTS..💯
@Pastormichaelhuffman
@Pastormichaelhuffman 2 жыл бұрын
There is no comparison for serious, in-depth Bible and original language study. Logos is simply the best!!! E-sword is not even in the same camp. You really need to use Logos before you begin to compare how “cluttered” it is. Logos, when you first run it, always opens to the “homepage,” but continued usage would have yielded the information that you can use workspaces. Logos is powerful, simple to use and is the best. For exegesis and original language study, it is the pms e to go.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
I guess I've never had a serious, in-depth Bible study before!
@RevSamStone
@RevSamStone 3 жыл бұрын
Since you said you haven't used Logos in-depth, here's an analogy. All you need is a $20 USB microphone to record your God-given voice effectively, but I see you are using a $400 microphone, which requires an additional cost on the interface to make it work. Why do you invest in this expansive setup? The answer is the same as why you want Logos. I've used Logos since 1994, while still in seminary. They came in a set of 5 floppy disks. Over the years, I've tried other Bible software due to the cost, but nothing came close. Now, I believe I have more than recovered the cost by the time I saved, the knowledge I gained, and the additional souls I harvested. You are right, you don't need Logos unless you see the value for your ministry. God bless!
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you like Logos Sam. There's nothing wrong with investing in our tools. Passive aggressiveness aside, I think your analogy is a poor one. My mid-level microphone and budget level interface are not of equal value in comparison to the top-of-the-line cost of Logos in the Bible software world. Certainly not an "expansive setup". Perhaps if I had a professional studio with a $2,000 microphone and pro gear this would make more sense. Did you watch the entire video? My point was that I only require a few specific resources to study the scripture, all of which are available for free. Many people don't even know that you can access these materials for free. And, as I said at the end of the video, it is totally fine if people would rather use Logos. But as a pastor, I have seen people wrestle with spending money they don't have to buy Logos because they think that can't truly study the Bible without it. And that is just not the case.
@nicholassilverio2227
@nicholassilverio2227 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia I agree with your point. 👍
@kevin.malone
@kevin.malone 2 жыл бұрын
Just for clarity, it is not free on Mac. It costs $9.99 to download from the App Store, and there is no .dmg or application to download directly from the website for free. Free on Windows, $9.99 on Mac.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kev. But Mac users should be used to paying a premium for things that PC users have for free or cheap 😉
@kevin.malone
@kevin.malone 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Haha not for me! Only free and open source stuffs. Looking into some other alternative Bible software now
@voidsabre_
@voidsabre_ 2 жыл бұрын
This is either outdated or just totally incorrect. I have Logos free on my macbook pro
@Counterpoint_Apologetics
@Counterpoint_Apologetics 7 ай бұрын
For everyday I use e-sword. Easy.... if I am doing research I use Logos. On Android phone Mysword is better than e-sword.
@lmhayes60
@lmhayes60 Жыл бұрын
e-sword is no longer free but it's not expensive.
@robinq5511
@robinq5511 Жыл бұрын
WordSearch was a great tool until Logos bought it and killed it...and I lost all the books I bought.
@kaibrendes5255
@kaibrendes5255 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see esword x for free but 9.99 Euro
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
It's only free for PC. Mac version is $10. Not free, but certainly worth the small fee in my opinion.
@nicholassilverio2227
@nicholassilverio2227 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Does e-Sword have an app available for Android cellphones and tablets? Thanks.
@josephde-zordi7324
@josephde-zordi7324 5 ай бұрын
This is not helpful because no reference to the original language bibles, ( God did not speak the KJV ). I do find Logos to be a nightmare of nerdy chaos
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 5 ай бұрын
1. False. Watch my other tutorials. 2. False. God speaks every language, and has preserved every jot and tittle in the English Bible. You don't HAVE to study a dead koine Greek to know what God said, but you can if you want. In e-sword, in fact.
@mgoodman2302
@mgoodman2302 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who has had E-Sword, theWord, Wordsearch, and currently has Quickverse, Swordsearcher, Accordance, and Logos, I can honestly say E-Sword cannot compare to Logos. What research I can do in ten seconds in Logos would takes weeks in E-sword. I can type John 6:44 in the go-box and it will tell me what everything in my library (4,400 books) says about that verse, including timeline, Bible background, and corresponding verses elsewhere. That takes ten seconds. Go through the Logos training videos and you'll see by the end of them that E-Sword can't compare. After all, E-sword is a more reliable version of Quickverse, which I still use. Logos actually sells (at a very low price) digital versions of the oldest manuscript fragments of the New Testament, like P46 etc. It's mind blowing what we can do today with a computer and Logos or Accordance. I cannot imagine with Calvin or Edwards could have done if they had today's technology. Take the time to do the research. I learned more my first month using Logos than I did in four years of seminary.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious if you actually watched this whole video, because you're proving my point. I literally said, in this video, that the reason Logos is expensive is because you are paying for thousands of digital resources... and if that is what you want, then get Logos! Obviously, if you purchased 4,400 physical books that would be expensive. And, being able to search them all instantly is a great resource. But do I NEED (that's the key word here my guy) 10,000 resources to study the Bible? No, I do not. Are they beneficial for someone who can afford them? Of course! But don't knock the guys who aren't lining the pockets of all these huge book publishers, because all they need is a Bible, the Holy Spirt, a concordance, and a TSK to rightly divide the scripture.
@nicholassilverio2227
@nicholassilverio2227 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia I agree. I think for every ordinary simple Christian out there, even including Pastors and Christian teachers and catechists, e-Sword is already more than sufficient enough for excellent Bible study and devotion. Logos is more of only for scholars, theologians, and academicians who want to dig deeper into the many facets of Bible scholarship and exegesis, or even for lay people who just love doing with the Holy Bible what those scholars, academicians, and theologians love to do. So I agree with the points that you present in your videos. I am an ordinary Filipino Christian, and I have both e-Sword and Logos for many years now, in my home laptop and office desktop. Logos I rarely use, because it is very clunky, heavy on the system, slow, somewhat unstable, and complicated to use. E-Sword is the opposite: it is very simple to use, very user and ergonomics friendly, very light on the system, very stable, and very fast as well, with simple direct features and resources that are intuitive. These are the reasons why e-Sword has been and is my home, really, when it comes to Bible study and devotion through these years. Thanks for your wonderful videos, Pastor Kale, which magnify excellently to the world the many great values and power that e-Sword has in Bible study and devotion.
@theressaferrell2199
@theressaferrell2199 2 жыл бұрын
❤🎉😊
@GageTheMan
@GageTheMan 2 жыл бұрын
This is like comparing a kite to a jet.
@life-is-excellent8861
@life-is-excellent8861 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, e-sword is nice. However, most of the free material is outdated. Commentaries do not address current theological issues (how to respond to theological arguments that did not show up 100 years ago), Greek material and grammars at too old to be reliable, Strong Dictionary is all but a dictionary, it is just a log of how the King James Version had translated the Greek words in English... and since, we have found thousands of better meanings to Greek (and Hebrew) words through the many papiri found during the last 150 years. So yes, e-sword is good, but in order to be relevant you need to buy products that are e-sword compatible.... otherwise, preachers will quote material from these public domain books that are often no longer true or relevant. And at the end, the paid products in e-sword can also make this app very expensive.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
You should be able to tell from this video that I disagree with almost everything you said in this comment.
@life-is-excellent8861
@life-is-excellent8861 Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia well and I disagree with what you say. Lol I'm not at all a logos fan and Il not using it. But they are no other app, except for accordance, the cam be compared ti Logos,, for the reasons I gave. A pastor, to be relevant, must use tools that are relevant
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
@@life-is-excellent8861 Depends what you mean by relevant. Is the Word of God relevant today? After all, it was written a very long time ago. You don't think a man of God can exegete relevant truth for his flock today from the scripture with only his Bible and the Holy Spirit inside him?
@life-is-excellent8861
@life-is-excellent8861 Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia of course just the Bible. But this is is not what the video is about only. You talk about the tons of material within e-sword.... the is what I'm referring to as well. The Bible is always relevant. I preach it every week in church. But at the same time, although there are many great tools available for free in e-sword, even the maker of e-sword knows that they are limited and often totally outdated. The is why they also offer paid modules. Let me give you a simple exemple. Thayer's Greek dictionary not only is outdated, but it was so from on its inception. At the moment it was published, scholars published their discoveries of thousands of manuscripts that gave new light to many words in Greek. Therfore new dictionaries where written. E-sword, therfore sells the highly acclaimed and relevant: A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature And if you buy all the paid resources they offer, at the end, you end paying several thousand dollar, as well. In think that you should have said that in your video. Itv is good, but not ab objective comparison. Most of the public domain books offered by e-sword can be found elsewhere and at times in Logos. However, the cost for Logos is not due to these books, but to the enormous library of contemporary books they offer in their packages. Now, I totally agree with you that most of these books can be found in many preacher's bookshelves. I personally have about 3000 books on my shelves. And I would personally suggest Logos to create special packages with much less unnecessary resources and stick to the most essential ones. For instance., for Biblical languages, the most updated Hebrew and LXX texts for the Old Testament and Greek for the New Testament + some tools, dictionaries and parsing help should be more than sufficient and the cost would be contained under 500$. Anyway I was not trying to criticize your excellent video, I was trying to bring some adjustments that I believe are appropriate. Blessings
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
@@life-is-excellent8861 I understand what you mean. Each preacher must determine what tools he needs in his toolbox, but that is also determined by what he deems valuable in studying the scripture. Truthfully, this video was made in mind for the many laymen out there who feel like they must spend thousands of dollars to study their bible, which just isn't true. In fact, as a pastor, I've been studying and preaching the scripture for almost 10 years now with just my KJV bible, and the few resources mentioned. And I know I'm not the only one, as I'm friends with many of them, and many of them trained and discipled me. Sometimes people can rely too much on the tools for studying the Bible, and not enough on just the Bible itself. Comparing scripture with scripture, and letting God speak for himself. Blessings to you too.
@gerryswetsky2949
@gerryswetsky2949 Жыл бұрын
Talk about biased partiality! First of all. it is my understanding that the lowest basic version of Logos IS FREE. Granted it doesn't compare with the free e-Sword, however if you want to add a certain commentary, Bible version or dictionary there is a much better possibility you can add it to Logos, but e-Sword? Doubtful! Granted you need to spend money for Logos, but as they say, "You get what you pay for". I have used e-Sword, but it was years ago so I can't do much of a comparison. I have used other Bible software, I have used Logos since it first came out and decided it was the way to go. Sure it costs money, but it's worth every cent. By way of comparison, Logos has a toll-free number if you have a question. Does e-Sword? Logos has a forum where all sorts of questions / problems can be discussed and opinions can be expressed. Does e-Sword? I have made friends through the forum, both Logos employees and fellow users. In the years I have been using Logos, I have accumulated over 2,400 books, manuscripts, Bibles, commentaries and so on. Sure I've spent money, but I have no regrets. Who am I? Just a person of 85 years who loves the Lord and enjoys studying the Word from many angles.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Well Gerry, it sounds like you really like Logos! So, admittedly, your a bit biased as well, no? Hey, no judgement here! Maybe you didn't watch the whole video, as I said, Logos is a fine program with lots of tools and features. But, the original premise still stands... One does not NEED Logos to study the Bible. If you like it, use it. I won't tell you to stop. *And to answer your question, yes, e-sword has help forums online.
@gerryswetsky2949
@gerryswetsky2949 Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Let me counter with this. My present car doesn't have navigation software in the computer. My previous car did. Nav is something you use to find directions. It's hardly ever used, an extra cost item but sometimes I sure wish I had it! When I start Logos, regardless of what computer I'm on, it starts just where I left off on my other computer. If I want to see a Bible verse in any one of a dozen or more versions which I've set up, the capability exists with a single button. I use this feature because I use the NASB whereas the author of my favorite commentary uses mainly the NIV. If I have a routine which requires pressing several buttons to activate, I can easily set up Logos to activate it with a single button. I can set up a single book font size without affecting any others. I could go on forever with reasons why I love Logos and why I don't mind paying for its features, but you'd be bored. You like your free software, I don't mind paying for all the available features whether I use them or not. I had occasion to contact the CEO of Logos the other day. I haven't spoken with him in probably a decade. Guess what! - He remembered me! THAT to me is worth paying for and it has nothing to do with Bible research or how much I paid for the software!!
@PythonPilgrim
@PythonPilgrim 2 жыл бұрын
E-Sword isn't free anymore...
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
This is false. Just checked
@PythonPilgrim
@PythonPilgrim 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia I just checked again. I think it's free on Windows, but on the App Store for Mac and iOS, you now have to pay.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
@@PythonPilgrim That may be true, I'm not a Mac guy. Quick search seems to show available options for Mac for free. But not certain. Looks like the Apple mobile app will cost you $10, but this review isn't about mobile versions. I actually don't think and android mobile version exists, just ios.
@ronmortimer252
@ronmortimer252 2 жыл бұрын
The best resource for studying the Bible is the Holy Spirit. He's free too. It's so inspirational to contemplate scripture in the patient guiding enlightening power of the Holy Spirit. It's through Him I have come to see the Book of Revelation for what it is - a false prophecy written by a false prophet. No commentary teaches that does it? The Bible ends at Jude.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Ironic that you picked Revelation to throw out, but maybe it's not... Revelation 22:19 KJV And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
@ronmortimer252
@ronmortimer252 2 жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia you can't use a false prophecy to justify a false prophecy can you? Read Galatians 1:8-9 carefully and then the first verse of Revelation. Let the Holy Spirit be your guide. No apostle of Jesus Christ would ever write the first verse of Revelation. It's pure blasphemy.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
@@ronmortimer252 and what else has the "spirit" revealed to you that contradicts the scripture? 1 John 4:1 KJV Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Even if I was to entertain this absolutely ridiculous assertion (by the way, I assume you've also ripped the other books by John out of your Bible then?)... The most important point to make is that the Spirit of God and the Word of God NEVER contradict. The scripture is of NO private interpretation. The sword of the spirit IS the word of God. If you think the Spirit of God told you that the word of God you have in your hand is wrong, fallacious, or in error, then it is YOU who is in error sir. Your own private heresy doesn't change the canonization of scripture, and the preservation of the New Testament over the last 2,000 years by God through the hands of many bloody martyrs who sacrificed theirs lives to bring it to us today. Study your Bible, and learn to rightly divide it. Proverbs 30:5-6 KJV Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. [6] Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. Psalm 12:6-7 KJV The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. [7] Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. Matthew 5:18 KJV For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Revelation 19:10 KJV And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
@ArchangelsBookClub
@ArchangelsBookClub Жыл бұрын
"Lawgaws" is not how any Greek anywhere pronounces Logos. ;)
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Oh, you speak koine Greek? (nobody in the modern world does, btw) Congrats!
@ArchangelsBookClub
@ArchangelsBookClub Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Koine Greek has never existed. ;) Koine Greek is just Greek that was written by Jews. It's full of Hebraisms and syntax from Jewish writers that is sort of brought into Greek. It's basically Greek as a second language from people who spoke Aramaic. It's the same stuff that the Septuagint translators used, and outside of Jewish and Christian literature it didn't exist. But, I see no reason to use a reconstructed pronunciation from the 16th century when you can just pronounce it the way Greek Christians do. And I see no reason to think that the pronunciation would have changed quite so much. We have the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chrysostom and the writings of the Greek Church Fathers that have been in continual use liturgically since the 5th century. I tend to think there's probably more stability reading in that form of pronunciation than to sort of guess that a European Catholic scribe got it right. Anyways; I agree with you. E-Sword is a great program, and you can choose to spring for the premium digital stuff piecemeal. I've been using the program since 2004 I think.
@ArchangelsBookClub
@ArchangelsBookClub Жыл бұрын
​@@kalehorvathmedia I just remember the first time I tried to read Greek in front of Fr. Joseph using that Erasmian stuff. Man almost had a heart attack. xD When I heard you say "Lawgaws" it just triggered that memory. Greeks are often irritated by the Erasmian pronunciation.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
@@ArchangelsBookClub The septuagint is a myth. Written by the heretic Alexandrian Origen, part of his hexapla, as he corrupted the text of the holy scripture, taking out what he didn't like and adding what he wanted.
@ArchangelsBookClub
@ArchangelsBookClub Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Where did you get that information, and why do you consider the source reliable?
@nnic2409
@nnic2409 2 жыл бұрын
Can't believe language tools don't appear to figure in your argument for bible studies or sermon preparation. "3 tools only required to study the bible" ???? Ignorance of original languages means you have to trust the software - so open to flawed exegesis. I do agree however that Logos resources are expensive but in my opinion there needs to be a middle ground of providing the required tools for careful and faithful exegesis of the original biblical text, whether Hebrew or Greek.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Norman. I don't trust software, I trust the English Bible that I have in my hands. Esword is merely a tool for rightly dividing it. You cannot exegete a language you don't speak. As I don't speak koine Greek or Hebrew, I'll trust the pure, infallible, preserved word of God in English. Rather than Nestle's version of Greek mss.
@danleyduncan1101
@danleyduncan1101 2 жыл бұрын
There's no comparison. Logos is superior.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Someone should make a video comparing them
@ChrisNerreau
@ChrisNerreau Жыл бұрын
SermonAi is better than both.
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia Жыл бұрын
Oh my. I just looked this up. I feared this would happen eventually, but had no idea it already existed. This truly is the antithesis to "Study to show yourselves approved in the Lord, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".
@CDCGHANA
@CDCGHANA Ай бұрын
Not free right?
@Geletin911
@Geletin911 2 жыл бұрын
kinda difficult for the bible to "explain" itself when you don't know Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and the surrounding history in which it is written
@kalehorvathmedia
@kalehorvathmedia 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yah. That's why 2 Timothy 2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew, and surrounding history..."
@rll7548
@rll7548 Жыл бұрын
@@kalehorvathmedia Kale, you don't need to make snide remarks to defend your point. I do not see things the same way you do, but I have not resorted to these tactics to make a point. I believe your approach is simplistic, and KNOW that there are a multitude of things you can learn from resources you do not choose to use. I frankly do not buy your approach to Bible study using only the simplest of tools and thinking that somehow that is "good enough." Some of your statements about Logos are, to put it simply, misleading. If you don't want clutter all over your screen, you can choose to only open a Bible and read it full screen. Or you can choose to add a window that has access to a commentary, or any one of more than two dozen excellent tools that give access to better resources AND save time. Of course, if you believe that people who write commentaries are writing another gospel, there really is no point in trying to make an intelligent argument with you. Your attitude seems to be one of disdain for biblical scholarship. I think that is very unfortunate. You really do not know what you are missing. As to the costs, I've got a physical library that has somewhere between 3-4000 physical books. I would estimate the costs of those books has been well over $25,000. I do not regret spending the money on them as they have benefitted me greatly over the decades. Multitudes of times as I went about sermon and/or lesson preparation, I used some of those resources and had eye opening learning that helped me understand some of the differences between our western culture and the times in which the scriptures were written. Those experiences have helped me provide my congregations and classes better understandings of what the biblical writers were addressing than I could have ever gotten with a Strong's concordance, as good as it is. I also have Logos 10 with all the bells & whistles and about 3050 digital books. I have been to the place where I could not afford any of the more sophisticated tools Logos has, nor much of it's library resources. I've used free Bible software, and took all the advantage of it I could. But, given the choice, I would not go back. Why? Simply because having learned to use the tools (yes, it takes TIME and EFFORT to learn how and why to use them) and resources Logos presents, I can present so much better a product from pulpits and classroom lecterns I may be called to occupy. I'm not here to denigrate E-sword or The Word or any of the other free tools out there. They have their place, are good and beneficial. However, the best they can do is not even in the same league with Logos. It is a different tool that has flexibility and study aids other tools just do not have. It's OK to advocate for E-sword or whatever free app you want to use. Congratulations for getting beyond the old methods of laying out a dozen books at the time and comparing them against each other. But you do not need to try make specious arguments against Logos in order to make your point. I think I would have appreciated a fair comparison, perhaps with charts featuring corresponding tools, liabilities, and assets with accurate representations of the abilities of both programs. Let the functions speak for themselves. I agree that there are some people who do not need the resources Logos 10 Platinum edition provides. Not every Christian needs a ThD. But for people who occupy pulpits and teach or preach, I think the issue is how far they want to carry their adherents. I have found I am not comfortable with just using simple tools when I have a host of others available. And, yes, Kale, I watched your entire video... Had you been in one of my classes on Bible Study Methodology, and presented this video as your project, I would have given you a "C" because your arguments were primarily one-sided, simplistic arguments and indicated a bias against Logos. Also, please know I would not have even written this had you not made the snide remarks in response to Kevin, above. I really wish you well, and encourage you to make better arguments when comparing products in the future... Blessings
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