E-Topia | Deep Dhillon

[@daveferger9947]

10:10 They don't know the repercussions of tech they're considering bringing "online"? Or they don't care what the repercussions are, as long as there is money to be made? Remember, "Move fast and break things."? Didn't realize civilization was on the block.

[@shaytheo]

This tells me why people with power and money don't seem to care about the planet. If their life is in a virtual "reality" ten who cares about the planet. This is why the "public sector" (government) must, must, must regulate the tech world.

[@heidenburg5445]

Its a better idea to simulate driving a car. I can build 100 ebike batteries out of the lithium cells in your white man's tesla. My bicycle is much better than your car.

[@arkytitan]

@@heidenburg5445 actually you can build 200 decent e-bike batteries our one tesla 90 kWh battery. Also, perhaps e-bike 20-30 motors out of one Tesla motor. And in the vicinity of 300 heavy-duty bike tyres out of it's tyres. Also, probably 100 frames. So, overall, Tesla is a waste of materials of two orders of magnitude. And it consumes about 15-20 times more energy per km travelled.

[@logantauson789]

Interesting issues for sure & great talk. Rachel, would you ever consider interviewing a Compost Facility if the owner was extremely knowledgeable in both the how’s as to how people can help reduce food waste & turn it into compost & large picture as to how we can support local farmers & supply chains for resources?

[@d.Cog420]

I'd like to hear that. Super interesting/important.

[@crisismanagement]

I have no faith in human engineering to repair what human engineering has caused.

[@TheDiversifiedFarmer]

Yeah, like 3M offering to help save the Earth, for a price😅

[@dermotmeuchner2416]

The ecology doesn’t care one bit about technology or humanity. As it should be.

[@davidpeppers551]

We can't solve problems with the same thinking that created them...... Einstein (?) AI is just another driver of consumption, one more thing to demand resources and energy.

[@davidlittlejohns4734]

This guy is his own argument for stopping technological development -- he is an apologist -- like its just the way it is

[@Jebediah1999]

Spot on.

[@justaname2422]

Literally was saying this the entire time I listened. Every point he made was a reason for de-growth

[@larapalma3744]

​@@justaname2422 Well yeah 😅

[@arkytitan]

OK, so it's not just me.

[@rishiraj1579]

so true

[@toomanykWh]

In Daniel Schmachtenberger’s terminology, this guy is talking gibberish. He’s happy to partake in the racket of a technological arms race, because it’s working for him.

[@RieCherie]

What I love about this guy is that you can see he has a good heart, he is kind, and he openly shares his motivations/thoughts and those of other's in his bubble. Engineers have a valuable skill set, they just need to be steered to the proper project. The idea of uploading your conscious, as if you'd still be able to experience it, it's just another description of a heaven idea. I enjoyed the conversation. It was a bit of a paradigm shift for me. Thanks Rachel!

[@arkytitan]

As an applied scientist (engineer of very different sorts) I feel quite upset that software developers/IT engineers are routinely called "engineers" without clarification. Almost like IT has monopolised the title.

[@JavierHarford]

​@@arkytitanI would hardly say that IT people monopolise the term, it's just that software development is an engineering discipline that is harder to regulate within a curriculum due to the slow beurocratic processes vs the speed of development in the field. Software development fits the very definition of engineering but it seems others want to gatekeep the term

[@carlospuentes3759]

Thank you Rachel. I really enjoy your take on this and many other topics, because it is coming from a feeling human perspective. This is what the tech guys lack; they lack human feeling and concern for the direction of the planet and the critical state that it is in. The mindset of the oligarchs and most technologists these days is completely disconnected from the reality of most humans. This can be seen in the recent Stanford interview by Eric Schmidt (ex Google CEO). I think the important thing at this time is to remain as human and as feeling and compassionate as possible.

[@jamigaither]

It's not that we don't agree, it's that we're divided intentionally.

[@scottharding4336]

As tech gets more complex and competent, we get simpler and more dependent.

[@End_domination]

🥔

[@davidpeppers551]

We have domesticated ourselves. Other domesticated species have become less intelligent, and their brains actually shrink.

[@ronwalker4998]

More tech equals more energy required .. how do you think we got here

[@davidpeppers551]

@NicholasWilliams-h3j Domesticated.

[@davidpeppers551]

@NicholasWilliams-h3j I very much understand, but we must continue the fight. Find one of the pockets of freedom still available and seize it. Milk it for all it is worth and grow it. "The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth " Wendell Berry. "Liberty produces wealth and wealth destroys liberty" Henery Demarest Lloyd Be careful what you ask for....... "Act as if you are ALREADY free." -- David Graeber. This last one especially has made a great difference in my life. I have stopped asking so much for permission or waiting for it to be granted. I ask just a few questions of myself: is it helpful? Or is it harmful? Does it interfere with anyone else? Or infringe upon their most important freedoms? Good luck

[@publicdomain1103]

Read, Future Shock,Alvin Toffler. Published 1971. All the insights are there.

[@scottharding4336]

The horror of becoming a machine is completely lost on this guy. Transhumanism is the absolute worst goal humans have ever had. Stop letting your fear of death cause you to throw away your humanity.

[@singingway]

"stop letting your fear of death cause you to throw away your humanity" was literally the theme of several Star Trek episodes. I guess they were lost on him.

[@georgewaters6424]

Grumble, youtube sort yourself out. This is one of the very few channels I watch every week. Yet YT saw fit to not notify me this week..... grumble.

[@JHastie-tf6qx]

The discussion on engineering and the future made me think that it could be time for you to revisit Transition Engineering, which aims to provide technology and systems for the future, within known future energy and material constraints.

[@TruthNonDual]

A lot of health problems can be solved with nutrition and a good diet, reduced stress, good energy... not ai post disease algorithms...

[@d.Cog420]

Great point.

[@shadowofmyfutureself]

I'd say, given what's happening in the Amazon right now, the answer to the question can we engineer our way out of dystopia? is NO. The ONLY way this will be possible is for US the people to displace the global oligarchs peacefully. With their consent.

[@Vahamedus]

lol, which will never happen peacefully

[@beyonder7817]

Power is snatched, not given.

[@buriedintime]

yeah.. people don't tend to care until the problem lands on their doorstep and effects them personally... even then the masses are neutered. protests are sort of captured.. allowed to happen and they fizzle out then people go vote expecting change.. or they organize locally and focus on things they can effect in their own community.. which is good.. but a national strike.. millions of people in the streets.. all that stuff is the only way to get the ball rolling and we only have so much time to get our acts together to avoid the worst of all the things.

[@End_domination]

Sure thing. Let’s do it, should be really easy 😏

[@nickhbt]

The lesson of history is that humans respond to incentives and those who can exploit existing asymmetries of power, (i.e. political, economic, or military advantage) will (for game theoretical reasons,) dominate and destroy those who don't. @Shadowofmyfutureself - Your "classical liberal" optimism that the winners will voluntarily relinquish their privilege has dominated parliamentary democracy since the 18th century. [See World-systems analysis : an introduction - by Immanuel Wallerstein] Margaret Thatcher would say "There Is No Alternative" The vast majority of people no longer believe that to be true. But, as before all previous revolutions, the 'masses' see no 'legitimate' means to effectively incentivize those who are driven by their nature seek and cling to power.

[@jamigaither]

Yes, Rach!! 1:02:00 Just because we can doesn't mean we should. Faustian impacts to the nth degree.🥴 Can we stop?

[@tamlynmcdonald8312]

I would like to make a suggestion. Platform Jeremy Rifkin and please, before you talk to him, read his later book! “The age of resilience” I think you will find the conversation very fascinating.

[@Jebediah1999]

Artificial intelligence? People may be more worried about eating than apps in future.

[@jamigaither]

49:30 Subsidies did that.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Incentivisingbexpertise leads to being blind to the 2nd & 3rd order efects.

[@jamigaither]

13:45 humans have never been very good at grasping exponentials...🤔

[@triplikeido75]

Thanks for another great episode Rachel. You're getting very, very good at this. 💪

[@brendanware2930]

Some of the things he says are very interesting, but I disagree with him on the predictions for the future and consequences of tech. It doesn't seem like tech professionals and financial investors, as a whole, fully ground the actions they take in reality. Meaning here, they move fast and break things without much regard to what they're breaking. They see this as a good thing, that the broken things were fragile and were going to break anyways. I think this is a fundamental issue with capitalism in general and tech specifically.

[@scottharding4336]

My mother lives in northern Virginia. Her electric bill is increasing rapidly.

[@flickwtchr]

Perfect example of how large corporations externalize costs to the public.

[@flickwtchr]

I stopped at his dismissive "corporations are just collections of people". Good grief. Whatever he said after that, doesn't matter.

[@buriedintime]

some real silicon valley tech bro type stereotypes playing out pretty hard for me too. we can't expect everyone to be onboard with a certain vision.. i think people are going to do the things they do and live their lives and follow their passions.. hopefully they make good decisions along the way that align somewhat w/reality.

[@jamigaither]

You could watch the parts where she's talking...❤

[@jamigaither]

Later it was "companies are people"... He's a perfect example of how out of touch humans are with the reality of the planet where they live. Reality is gone in techno fantasy land... SMH That anyone thinks democracy is still alive let alone working... That's the delusion I see. We're in an oligarchy.

[@mitkoogrozev]

Yeah, it sounded like a coping mechanism, an attempt to not deal with the negative effects of corporations, by defining it in a way that only focuses on some of it's parts (people), instead of how it functions and what it does. You know, cancer is also 'just' a collection of cells, therefore nothing bad about it, right? Still, I would continue listening, since I'm interested to hear how much does he copes on other subjects, and how the host will respond.

[@larapalma3744]

They are though

[@TheDiversifiedFarmer]

That was fun. Individual/community axis is where its at.

[@buriedintime]

"engineering nerdy minds" need to shift to solving problems that matter instead of figuring out clever ways to track information and enable some Ai bot to sell me "the best belt buckle made from aircraft aluminum" or whatever instagram is going to push on me this week. tech culture needs a "come to jesus" moment when it comes to climate and overshoot.

[@DoublasMkII]

This guy is delusional.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

he uses the word "ecosystem" to NOT refer to ecology - quite ironic on a "Planet: critical" website. He was at Wisconsin same time as me! "Studied Electrical engineering at University of Wisconsin-Madison" - I bet he knows my housemates.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

How much CO2 is the result of unnecessary manufacturing due to Planned Obsolescence? Where is the data on the depreciation of durable consumer goods each year for each country? What is *Net Domestic Product, NDP?* Economists do not admit that Planned Obsolescence exists.

[@parttimethinker7611]

As long as we thrive on greed, lust and in pursuit of happiness, the have and the have not will persist. What’s wrong with dystopia? It’s like a squeezed lemon. Someone will have the lemonade and someone will be serving the lemonade for a living.

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Interesting use of the word "efficiency" we all have super computers in our pockets to watch tick tock videos is that "efficient"?

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Incentivising expertise leads to being blind to the 2nd & 3rd order efects.

[@jamigaither]

46:43 US hypocrisy.. great rant! 😍 👍

[@ErnestOfGaia]

Invest in cooperatives. 70% royalties fees on the fossil fuel corps, go into the fund

[@scottharding4336]

The same argument has been repeated over and over again. Yes you will be replaced by a machine, but it will allow you to do what you want. We're working longer hours with fewer benefits and lower pay.

[@flickwtchr]

Are you actually asserting that mass elimination of jobs is going to equate with people having freedom from work? Uh, how do people pay for housing, food, medical care, etc etc etc? Did you think of that?

[@scottharding4336]

@@flickwtchr Just the opposite. There's an old line from the song "John Henry" I always think of "if steam can replace a man then what's the substitute for bread and beans".

[@TennesseeJed]

✌️☮️

[@gregorygregori1538]

This guy is the enemy. Not one of us.

[@jacquesvincelette6692]

He is human, if you notice blood flowing behind his skin. "Corparations are a bunch of people" to the same extent that Artificial Intelligences are discounted as batches of computer chips. Suckers for a bargain.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

"corporations are just collections of people" - NO a corporation is a "legal person" that has more legal rights than natural people.

[@mr.makeit4037]

Can you elaborate?

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

@@mr.makeit4037 can you elaborate on which you you're referring to? Maybe include a phrase of the comment your replying to. thanks

[@jacquesvincelette6692]

Corporations are established to cheat death... ghoulish by design.

[@modricspurs]

Wow, he doesn't understand energy at all which is sad

[@roo3515]

Completely energy blind. In response to the question about physical limits of resources and energy, he brings up Moores law. These guys are in bubble that thinking every sector of the world can just 100x like like some android app. Food and energy production don't work that way.

[@matt1308-n7e]

@@roo3515 I couldn' t agree more. His insinuation that fusion is going to be used to power AI in the short term (i.e., the next decade) and applying moores law to tech areas outside chip fab shows his total ignorance related to the energy sector

[@Jebediah1999]

​@@matt1308-n7e it will probably be coal.

[@Slick-666]

Thanks for the interview Rachel. +1 comment for the algorithm lol.

[@singingway]

I'd like to point out to him that our Earth would not qualify to join the United Federation of Planets.

[@ErnestOfGaia]

The US maintains the SWIFT payment computer network that settles global transactions in USD. This is why US Ruling class has their straw of accumulation in the neck of the working class first.

[@trunoholdaway2114]

This guy is the embodiment of luxury, gay, space, communism and how Trekkies bend over backwards to preserve their world view. I really wish people like this would expand their reading list beyond Star Trek because most Sci-fi is very dystopian. A lot of the problems we're having with the Internet now we're predicted decades before hand by forward thinking sci-fi authors. I'm absolutely in the camp that believes our leadership is evil and conspires against the working class. They're psychopaths who only want control and status, why else would they hoard more wealth than they could spend in a thousand lifetimes? People like this have deluded themselves into serving an evil destructive system. Their world view and optimism comes from the need to separate their guilty conscious from their participation and growth of that system. For them the end justifies the means but they don't realize their stealing pieces from the foundation of a Jenga tower to reach an unobtainable goal.

[@Pasandeeros]

No.

[@singingway]

Is he too young to realize that the internet began as a publicly funded project?

[@-jz5mm]

No

[@andrewcarmichael9863]

Science has always been, since ancient times, a tool of market forces. AI is so. Planet : critical, absolutely. Strategies, small communities and virtues. Prepare.

[@CharlesBrown-xq5ug]

The second law of thermodynamics may be false conventional wisdom. Let's face the possibility of breakeven free energy. The second law of thermodynamics was imposed on us during Victorian England's scientific and religious cultural fascination with steam engines. The second law is behind modern refgeration needing electrical energy to compress the refrigerent to force it to release as waste the heat that it has removed from the refrigerator's service interior in the cooling part of the refrigerent's circulation. There is also discarded heat from mechanical friction and electrical resistance. The total released and discarded heat minus the removed heat equals the electrical input balancing this system's energy but this only shows that energy is conserved even if the energy use is unneeded wasteful or harmful. Refrigeration by the principle that energy is conserved should produce electricity instead of consuming it. It makes more sense that refrigerators should yield electricity because energy is widely known to change form with no ultimate path of energy gain or loss being found. Therefore any form of fully recyclable energy can be cycled endlessly in any quantity. In an extreme case senario, full heat recycling, all electric, very isolated underground, undersea, or space communities would be highly survivable with self sufficient EMP resistant LED light banks, automated vertical farms, thaw resistant frozen food storehouses, factories, dwellings, self contained elevators, safe rooms, and horizontal transports. In a flourishing civillization senario, small self sufficient electric or cooling devices of many kinds and styles like lamps, smartphones, hotplates, water heaters, cooler chests, fans, radios, TVs, cameras, security devices, robot test equipment, scales, transaction terminals, wall clocks, open or ciosed for business luminus signs, power hand tools, ditch diggers, pumps, and personal transports, would be available for immediate use incrementally anywhere as people see fit. Some equipment groups could be consolidated on local networks. If a high majority thinks our civilization should geoengineer gigatons or teratons of carbon dioxide out of our environment, instalations using devices that convert ambient heat into electricity can hypothetically be scaled up do it with a choice of comsequences including many beneficial ones. Energy sensible refrigerators that absorb heat and yield electricity would complement computers as computing consumes electricity and yields heat. Computing would be free. Chips could have energy recycling built in. A simple rectifier crystal can, iust short of a replicatable long term demonstration of a powerful prototype, almost certainly filter the random thermal motioren of electrons or discrete positiive charged voids called holes so the electric current flowing in one direction predominates. At low system voltage a filtrate of one polarity predominates only a little but there is always usable electrical power derived from the source, which is Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise. This net electrical filtrate can be aggregated in a group of separate diodes in consistent alignment parallel creating widely scalable electrical power. The maximum energy is converted from ambient heat to productive electricity when the electrical load is matched to the array impeadence. Matched impeadence output (watts) is k (Boltźman's constant), one point three eight x 10^ minus 23, times T (temperature Kelvin) times bandwidth (0 Hz to a natural limit ~2 THz @ 290 K) times rectification halving and nanowatt power level rectification efficiency, times the number of diodes in the array. For reference, there are a billion cells of 1000 square nanometer area each per square millimeter, 100 billion per square centimeter. Order is imposed on the random thermal motion of electrons by the structual orderlyness of a diode array made of diodes made within a slab: -----‐------‐----_____-- Out 🔻🔻🔻🔻 ■■■■■■___ + Out All the P type semiconductor anodes abut a metal conductive plane deposited on the top face of the slab with nonrectifying joins; the N type semiconductor cathodes or common cathode abuts the bottom face. As the polarity filtered electrical energy is exported, the amount of thermal energy in the group of diodes decreases. This group cooling will draw heat in from the surrounding ambient heat at a rate depending on the filtering rate and thermal resistance between the group and ambient gas, liquid, or solid warmer than absolute zero. There is always a lot of ambient heat on our planet, more on equatorial dry desert summer days and less on polar desert winter nights. Focusing on explaining the electronic behavior of one composition of simple diode, a near flawless crystal of silicon is modified by implanting a small amount of phosphorus (N type conductivity) on one side from a ohmic contact end to a junction where the additive is suddenly and completely changed to boron (P type conductivity) with minimal disturbance of the crystal lattice. The crystal then continues to another ohmic contact. A region of high electrical resistance forms at the junction in this type of diode when the phosphorous near the ĵunction donates electrons that are free to move elsewhere while leaving phosphorus ions held in the crystal while the boron donates holes which are similalarly free to move. The two types of mobile charges mutually clear each other away near the junction leaving little electrical conductivity. An equlibrium width of this region is settled between the phosphorus, boron, electrons, and holes. Thermal noise is beyond steady state equlibrium. Thermal noise transients, where mobile electrons move from the phosphorus added side to the boron added side ride transient extra conductivity so the forward moving electrons are preferentally filtered into the external circuit. Mobile electrons are units of electric current. They lose their thermal energy of motion and gain electromotive force, another name for voltage, as they transition between the junction and the array electrical tap. Inside the diode, heat is absorbed: outside the diode, to exactly the same extent, an attached electrical circuit is energized. The voltage of a diode array is likely to be small so many similar arrays need to be put in series to build higher voltage. Understanding diodes is one way to become convinced that Johnson Nyquest thermal electrical noise can be rectified and aggregated. Self assembling development teams may find many ways to accomplish this wide mission. Taxonomically there should be many ways ways to convert heat directly into electricity. A practical device may use an array of Au needles in a SiO2 matrix abutting N type GaAs. These were made in the 1970s when registration technology was poor so it was easier to fabricate arrays and select one diode than just make one diode. There are other plausible breeches of the second law of thermodynamics. Hopefully a lot of people will join in expanding the breech. Please share the successes or setbacks of your efforts. These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by advanced automation that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. Commerce would be a planetary scale unified conglomerate of diverse local cooperatives. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the top if the wide majority of people can afford to be generous. Aloha Charles M Brown Kilauea Kauai Hawaii 96754

[@roberthewat8921]

I am really sorry that I wasted my time listening to this rubbish.

[@TheDanEdwards]

"I am really sorry that I wasted my time listening to this rubbish."

[@jamigaither]

38:20 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 BRICS and all of it...

[@jamigaither]

It's lucky for those who haven't yet gotten mRNA vaccines... Like we saw in parts of Africa vs. Places like the US and UK where we're seeing high death rates with more evidence that spike proteins are more trouble than they're worth.

[@shaytheo]

Third world? Dude, global south? developing world? Third world is so 90s.😂

[@nickhbt]

Even more useful language is that of "Imperial Core" - "Periphery". See World-systems analysis : an introduction - by Immanuel Wallerstein,

[@jetlagger3357]

sorry Rachel, but you seriously need to reduce your babbling. Can you not ask a question in a sentence or two, rather than telling a lifestory before ending with a question mark? What has most of your babbling to do with a question?

[@ErnestOfGaia]

#AiForGood

[@madameblatvatsky]

No