E0S1 Dr Ratio 0-Cycles F12-1 + Some Basic SPD Lessons | MOC 2.2.2

[@nofe78]

The real boothill W is making world 4 the most efficient to farm with all this vonwacq

[@KiraYoshikage-22]

Genuinely the most underrated hsr channel. Enjoy watching your vids and have been motivated to try for a 0 cycle myself but I don't have sparkle so I'll wait for her rerun(e3 bronya but skill point management sucks)

[@BlackReaper0]

Ratio would give this a 10 out of 10 and a letter of recommendation for you.

[@MozeFan]

That SPD lesson proved to be useful. Guess I'll try zero-cycling as well after I finally get Ratio's lightcone + better eagle and vonwacq pieces. I don't have Sparkle though, I'm thinking if a double Dance Dance Dance (Hanya + Tingyun) might be viable.

[@wandersonvitor3054]

Do you have Robin?

[@wandersonvitor3054]

Robin is actually better than Sparkle for Ratio

[@softhusky]

i think getting a 3 turn ratio on wave 1 could be a thing w tingyun robin and pela

[@AhaxD-r7g]

​@@wandersonvitor3054is it fine if replace Tingyun with Robin instead? like Ratio Sparkle Robin Pela

[@wandersonvitor3054]

@@AhaxD-r7g yes

[@xMistaDawg]

Very nice, Doctor Ratio would be proud

[@sera0246]

I did your instructions and it worked, thank you 👍🏻

[@p.veronica0212]

absolute cinema

[@thomasnguyen4427]

I've been trying my hand at using fribs for optimization; was doing test runs on Dream Within a Dream 12, vs Kafka/Gepard. At first, I had a comp & build that cleared wavess 1 & 2 in only 2 cycles, thus ending on 28 cycles remaining. Now I can't recall what it was, and going through so many iterations my Ratio/Aven/Topa$$/Teyun can somehow no longer do that anymore??? It's frustrating, but at least I finally understand what makes number go up. Holy BABY, I've got the Groove back! Fribs optimizer was trolling me. My gut intinct told me to go back to 4 piece Pioneer, even if sims said "more combo dmg". Plus ALL SPD boots for my fellow IPC Dream Team, and 161 Gold SPD boots for Teyun, swapped with HMC. Naisu!

[@kamiiv9864]

Great video, I love your more informative videos as well. I want to try and understand speed theory quite a good bit, and also want to be able to figure out speed requirements and how to factor in action advance, non-permanent speed buffs, all of it. Your sushang videos have always had these crazy equations for figuring out speed requirements, and I think that stuff is really cool. Hope more is coming. I've tried to use your video here as an example to work it through, but I'm trying to figure out if a rotation can work here if both sparkle and tingyun are on DDD S5. Any thoughts?

[@EiDehGaming]

Thanks, really appreciate it. But to temper your expectations, there are many fancy things you can do with SPD, but not all of them are useful. Sushang with Robin happens to be the perfect combination of practical but difficult SPD tuning and actual payoff as a result. But in general, I prefer not using SPD tech if not necessary. E.g. all my 2 turn Acheron setups that only have Pela running wave one 3 turn setups. Anyway, if you happen to have so many DDD, it's actually significantly easier to pull it off. I actually have an older video of exactly this kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHnOaqh3qrV4ndk. If you do it, you can either drop Vonwacq for Broken Keel or Fleetless and run 151.4 SPD (not 151.3, mistake in the vid), or also use Vonwacq and the SPD requirement becomes the comically low 135.3 SPD (I just realized the value in the vid 136.7 is wrong too whoops). But yea I think a lot of people commented that they didn't have that many copies of DDD, so this was an alternative rotation that only uses 1 S5 copy.

[@kamiiv9864]

@@EiDehGaming yea ive lost lightcone banner 75/25 all three times ive gone for it but have s10 ddd in return, the f2p life is immaculate. thank you for the link! quick question, how does vonwcaq factor into the math? i can't recognize it in the formulas you've put in, am I missing something?

[@EiDehGaming]

@@kamiiv9864 basically, you have to calculate the SPD required independently on wave 1 and wave 2 depending on the amount of action advance you have. Then select the SPD that is higher since that is the necessary one. In general, if you run Vonwacq, then wave 1 will have more AA than wave 2 and so any amount of SPD that wave 2 requires would already fulfill whatever SPD wave 1 requires. So no need to recalculate for wave 1 with Vonwacq. If you want some Vonwacq stuff, see if you can determine what is the SPD required for wave one 3 turn with either Vonwacq only or Vonwacq + 1 eagle proc.

[@kamiiv9864]

@@EiDehGaming thank you!

[@kenjizx1337]

seems like im spending another year in eagle domain for good speed relics

[@currentlyvibing9916]

Really thinking I should finally build my dr ratio, I don’t have his sig but I’ve seen plenty of big numbers from e0s0 so I will try my best (I have too many hunt lc’s and don’t use hunt characters at all😭)

[@EiDehGaming]

His performance with Herta Cone is quite good. No doubt his signature LC is really strong, but his ST capabilities are so high that it's generally good enough. Though caveat is that you really want Resolution Pela with him, which may conflict with some other teams like Acheron.

[@kenjizx1337]

any idea for optimal relic suggestion and speed for this same team? like if we dont care for 0 cycle

[@EiDehGaming]

Ratio does not really have a perfect relic fit. 4PC pioneer is good if you have access to it, otherwise 4PC quantum or 2PC FUA/2PC ATK/2PC Pioneer also works. For Topaz, 4PC FUA though it's a bit awkward because of how it resets every attack. But I believe it's still her best set. 4 PC Pioneer kind of works too though it's best if you have either E1 or S1.

[@RuSB0]

thnx , man

[@VeryRose-uc5nl]

yo what do you think about new fua relic, is it good for himeko? i already have goodstat on old fua relic, and about planar tho should i change with new fua planar or keep salsotto?

[@EiDehGaming]

It's not that good for Himeko for MOC. It only buffs FUA whereas Himeko has sizeable amounts of damage in her ult and skill (which benefits indirectly from CR). Besides the current 3 elite boss, it's also unlikely you'll get to 5 FUAs quickly. It can be good in PF I guess, but you'll probably be farming them for multiple characters at once since you'll want to use it with multiple FUA chars.

[@VeryRose-uc5nl]

@@EiDehGaming im using himeko for pf only, and i cant really understand what you say, so the conclusion is keep old fua relic and planar?

[@otto1201]

what would be the formula if you want to find a character's av that uses vonwacq on their second turn? the 1-0.40 is only correct for the first turn but on second turn it doesn't show the supposed av

[@EiDehGaming]

Not too sure I understand the question. Vonwacq has no effect on the second turn. So you simply do not include it and take it to be 10000 instead of 10000 * (1 - 0.4) action gauge to take an action. So if taking the first two turns, it will be 10000 * (1 - 0.4) / x + 10000 / x = 10000 * (2 - 0.4) / x

[@cua2832]

love your video, can i have the name of the music you use? uwu

[@EiDehGaming]

BGM: All are Hoyo music. Explanation music - Fair Play Wave 1 - The Strength of Sin is the Law (Boss Theme) Wave 2 - Argenti theme

[@KakuHanami]

Dr.Eideh

[@baodms4150]

My sparkle has 160 spd, with vonwacq she would go 3 times? Bronya too,like,i want to use her with boothill and give him 3 turns extra with vonwacq

[@EiDehGaming]

Vonwacq only works on the first wave. With just Vonwacq, the SPD requirement is 173.4 for 3 turns on wave 1 only. It is much more difficult to get 3 turns on wave 2. The 160 SPD breakpoint is not particularly relevant for anything in 0 cycles. It's only relevant to get 4 turns within 250 AV (1 cycle). For slow Bronya (Bronya is slightly slower than Boothill), these generally won't work since Boothill will fall behind.

[@nostalgiez3429]

@eiDehGaming, can I you how your sparkle managed to get 3 turns per second wave? she had 2 ddd procs and 1 wind set proc to help her which would requires 227 speed

[@saisis8984]

It's explained at the beginning, you need at least 151.3 spd to get 3 turns in second wave with 2 ddd procs and 1 wind set. I don't know how you calc that 227 since even without any Advance Forward you need 210 speed to get 3 turns (which is why the only way to get 3 turns is to use Advance forwards techs).

[@EiDehGaming]

I believe you're only counting a budget of 100 AV for cycle 0. There is 150 AV budget for cycle 0 not 100, so the SPD requirement can be divided by 1.5 (227 / 1.5 = 151.3). Small correction to the other comment, 3 turns without AA is 200 SPD not 210.

[@nostalgiez3429]

@@EiDehGaming ty

[@happy_ice_cream]

Why does Sparkle wait until after Ratio's turn to use her Ultimate at 4:36?

[@EiDehGaming]

For some reason, if casted on a character's turn, does not count the turn itself. Note that this does not work the same as Bronya and Tingyun's ults where if you try the same thing, they will count the turn it is casted on. Specific to the instant you mentioned, it's because there's enough damage to finish off the Trotter. So it'll be a waste to use the ult on that turn and we instead wait for the refunded turn to ult. Mainly so that the ult buff lasts till wave 2 turn 1.

[@biscy03]

Am I missing something, why is Tingyun critting for 30k??

[@EiDehGaming]

Tingyun's talent. On her BA, if she has her skill active on another character, the character will do a % of their atk in lightning dmg to the same target Tingyun attacks. So that is Ratio's 30k but in lightning damage not Tingyun.

[@biscy03]

@@EiDehGaming Thank you! Got it now ☺️

[@BailuGaming]

​@@EiDehGaming TIngyun does so many things to be a 4 star only... that's why i keep her at E0(totaly not because i don't have her E6/hj).

[@kaolao5350]

this team is still work in 2.4?

[@EiDehGaming]

probably. haven't had the time to test it

[@Steve-uf5yf]

151.4

[@EiDehGaming]

whoops, you're right. it should be 151.4 on the build overview slide, as the actual breakpoint is 151.33333

[@ThyBr0]

hey man, you got a discord i could take to you?

[@EiDehGaming]

unfortunately not. i don't really have the time to do things other than what's already on the channel