E168: Can Google save itself? Abolish HR, AI takes over Customer Support, Reddit IPO teardown

[@RunGoodRick]

It's officially the weekend

[@allin]

love that we've become a demarcation point for you!

[@notknown42]

Its training time 🏋️‍♀️!

[@danielschoenbohm]

Can definitely relate to that

[@larry1w1]

👌

[@jayjones9219]

Best discussion on HR and DEI. Have seen companies completely forget about their core business and instead got hijacked by HR and DEI to the point of destruction. Mind boggling stupidity.

[@sidequestsally]

*Disney has entered the chat

[@pentrubarbati]

The only option should be to hire the best man for the job ...

[@Summerdee223]

Trust me when I tell you that DEI drives professionals in HR crazy. We want to focus on supporting the business and DEI does nothing other than muddy the waters and take focus off of core business initiatives. DEI is separate from core HR and we have been hijacked too.

[@PeteMD]

Disney. Yahoo. Many many more

[@0scarwilde93]

God, having your podcast and the chance to listen to you talking for free is a bless. Thank you guys, from Italy!

[@agentsmith64]

Greece is here too!😊

[@brianhay-roe2951]

If only Elon sued Open AI yesterday, would love to hear the boys take.

[@Player-oz2nk]

Legendary

[@mollierobinson7088]

Yeah, was hoping to hear something about that

[@13thbiosphere]

Elon Musk should have legal access to all code .... It appears that he is currently being denied access to some of the code Referred to as Q Star

[@sidequestsally]

Isn't Q* the great white API?

[@Vivaldir]

It’s very obvious dude… that the pod will unanimously declare that openAI should be handed over to Elon 😂😂😂… there is no special take in that .. they are heavily invested in Elons companies

[@btv9960]

The problem with Gemini isn't that it offends people, there are an endless number of people who will be offended over everything under the sun. The issue is that it is INCORRECT!

[@soggybiscuit6098]

Gemini is acting like blue haired Karen because it's parents are blue haired Karen's 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@TDrudley]

To be fair, the issue isn't that it's incorrect, the issue is WHY it's incorrect.

[@mapalochansa9965]

I can’t help but smirk in delight every time KZbin recommends a new episode of the all in podcast every week

[@mariajiao4855]

Say something meaningful, don't comment like you just had a weekend donut

[@fragelicious]

Your podcast is social media on steroids. Please never stop, because you fit the future and your insights are invaluable. You guys are becoming a 'resource'.

[@garywheeler9465]

I'd love to hear Google management's reaction to this analysis.

[@PseudoProphet]

It's Jen Gennai, they can't even name her. She's the woke in chief. The AI is basically named after her. 😂😂

[@bullcity76]

Yall have just given Gemini tons of free advertising! All news is good news. I think this fiasco was funny af. Google rebranded from Bard to Gemini and probably didn't have a fully baked product. They bought more time and gained enormous exposure at the same time! Brilliant! Except using black and brown folks as pawns as usual...

[@TimScott-x2d]

Canada is sadly falling and still under this curse, its eeeffing scary and Ontario is especially effeddd...

[@balexandras]

Canadian here on the west coast.

[@bahram_t]

Friedberg back at it again with the crystal clear thinking

[@hungcapitalll]

I love your guys friendship. The conversations go along so effortlessly. I wish i had this banter about business and news with my friends

[@terryschmidt]

Not going to talk about bitcoin ripping, cool cool

[@MaxwelKane]

They did at 3:00.

[@jeffreychandleton5794]

They did around 3:00

[@J35Y1]

I am in mara, its nothing compared to whats going on with ai companies

[@epilpstd1]

Nvidia valuation gets a lengthy discussion. Yet bitcoin has exploded in value and barely a peep.

[@christopherdominguez7238]

Pump our bags 💼!

[@20thcenturyboy85]

BIG THANKS! to Chamath about ideas for structuring merit focus in companies regarding HR.

[@JAW1992]

Jason giving sacks stewie griffin vibes in the open "got a big talk coming up? Mmm, got a big speech"

[@angelas8451]

I was looking for this comment 😂

[@judyng6266]

Thanks guys for committing your time for this podcast. I enjoyed it and am learning about the business world at the same time. Keep up the good work!

[@vinchikarmane3317]

This pod and the last one are true gems! Thank you!

[@michaelwentz3819]

13:17 Sacks looks so genuinely happy at the thought of the blood of tyrants

[@GarethReecewood]

He's part of billionaire class. He'll also be up against the wall when we come to refresh that tree

[@Thehintercast]

We are in such a special time. The fact that these conversations with such important industry leaders are being held publicly is wonderful. Thanks for the episode.

[@srikanthmeenakshi]

Good episode, enjoyed it and found it stimulating. Some thoughts: 1. Brief update on Groq was good and more power to Chamath and team! 2. Google AI discussion was candid and on point. My politics are progressive, but one has to agree that Gemini went too far and got to a point of being ridiculous. There is much course correction that is needed. The discussion on the topic was harsh but well deserved. As expected, Sacks’s tone was one of sardonic glee, but I’m glad that others did not raise to his bait to make it a political talking point. 3. The debate about HR departments was great with Chamath making important and thought-provoking points. Friedman signed off on this with a note about racial and gender identities. It is true that the current social discourse has gotten out of hand on these topics, but I think race and gender to contribute to diversity. I hope the ‘besties’ don’t think it would be a good idea to go from over representation of these factors to under representing them, taking us back to square one. 4. It was great to see the team pivot back to crediting Google for doing TAC deals with content platforms - a really good, timely discussion. Thanks for that! Very insightful… 5. Wish there was more time spent on the Reddit S1 and IPO. Probably as more news emerge and the date gets closer, you guys will do a longer segment on it. Thanks!

[@metamoonnn]

Defund DEI, ESG, and HR! Experienced and continue to see this firsthand... promoting "diverse" folks over other much much more sr. and qualified people.

[@bsmithhammer]

It's a demonstrable drag on a company that clearly doesn't elevate performance, which should be the only thing a company focuses on.

[@bsmithhammer]

@@somethingginterestingg4275 Then again, the question of hiring based on immutable differences should be irrelevant. If two applicants are equally qualified, then they are equally qualified, pure and simple. Race and gender have zero to do with it.

[@island97]

​@@somethingginterestingg4275 character, personality gets you the job.

[@tuckerbugeater]

You will have your system and they'll have theirs. @@bsmithhammer

[@TheMightyWalk]

especially HR

[@joelchamberlain9620]

Love the diverse perspectives and solution-based discussions, thank you gents!

[@antman7673]

1000 subscribers in 12 hours. Wouldn’t it be funny if the algorithm went haywire and within a couple of days this new channel grew larger than the old one. Good luck Joe.

[@audience2]

The Google engineer who claimed their AI had become self aware was also fired.

[@kyleward5249]

Damn - I love you guys. The discussion level here in regards to business is second to none. I mean maybe (just maybe) there are better discussions behind closed doors but because of the fact that they are behind closed doors means: they cannot amount to absolute better for society at large. Godspeed besties ....Godspeed!

[@Akash-lu6wo]

This is one of the best Podcast ever! You guys are awesome! I have recommended this podcast to so many of my friends :) This podcast is so amazing that I am willing to pay a subscription fee for this! food for thought for the moderators ;)

[@edwinsandoval4563]

Great podcast, great topics. Cheers from Durango, Mexico.

[@Jeremy-Ai]

Chamath, You nailed it again. Re: HR departments/ legal 3rd parties/ DEI You nailed it, you absolutely nailed it…to the wall. “Just like a professional developer being asked “how are we possibly going to hang this carcass in my barn?” Nail it to the wall Great work to all of you gentleman… As per usual Take care, Jeremy

[@xandr13]

Chamath killing it. HR is cancer, empower employees instead and have real meritocracy. Simples.

[@robaustin3013]

You guys are great. thanks so much for what you do! Cheers

[@michaeldillman4858]

The Jefferson quote from Sacks was pure gold 😂

[@3quarter]

Good episode. Love the segment on HR!

[@George-Aguilar]

These guys are on fire! 🔥 😂 So much stuff they missed! Bitcoin! Elon lawsuit. We need 2 episodes a week!

[@Upgushig-ms8ix]

They will never talk about bitcoin.

[@yourlittlefriend-ub3fk]

its insane how these guys vibe so well through a zoom call, would love to see a live version

[@marthajohnson2775]

I love your podcast! This is my second time watching it.

[@mjribes]

On the diversity point, I agree 1000%. I have always said that there is value for a company in diversity of thought, diversity of point of view and diversity of experience. Those bring new ideas to the fore and help break paradigms. Race and gender can be a surrogate for that, but it can be (and usually is) a poor surrogate. And in any event, why rely on a surrogate?

[@ProjectKhopesh]

Diversity is only useful if there are shared goals, and diverse solutions allow for better results. Modern "diversity" is divisive and corrosive because it's not about shared values and goals, it's about fripperies and competing agendas.

[@vadimilin1019]

Great discussion of DEI and HR. I’ve learned a ton.

[@alyalayla999]

Always love Friedberg's backgrounds

[@robsmith6960]

HR conversation is really interesting Very useful as I'm growing a business myself. Thanks guys

[@platekrozy15]

hello from Malaysia, love the All-In intros , always gets me smiling from the get go!

[@andreramsaran]

Been looking foward to this all week!

[@mjmikaelson]

What a fantastic episode gentlemen! I want to extend a sincere thank you to everyone for the Pod! I'm genuinely excited about AI and its potential to enhance humanity's quality of life! Chamath, I'm totally on board with you-8090 still sounds incredibly promising to me; it's like a sleeping giant waiting to be awakened! I'm eagerly anticipating the IPO so I can become a proud owner of some of the company.

[@umangmerwana85]

So great to see Jason in the groove! 🙌

[@aaccheru4245]

goog is having a bud light moment and in my honest opinion, meritocracy does not and will not mesh well with DEI.

[@alexharvey9388]

You guys need to talk about Humanoid robots ‼️ the humanoid race has been heating up the past few weeks

[@20thcenturyboy85]

Thank You for the show!!!

[@globalroamer1900]

Welcome to the Goolag

[@cszafarczyk63]

Would be kool to see what the design of the Apple car looked like

[@GarethReecewood]

End HR departments, End weekends, public holidays, sick pay, and parental leave. We need more profit dammit. Three mansions isnt enough. AI must replace all workers gaarrhhhaaghr!

[@bestt2252]

😂 exactly

[@guitarsz]

I work at a tech company, which I won't mention the name of, but let's just say it's an acronym, and our DEI is getting ridiculous. We can't say "brown bag" in referencing a lunch or picnic, we can't say female, only woman...as female refers to biological orientation...can't say black list...it's just ridiculous.

[@supernoveau]

Just quit mate

[@PeteMD]

You are part of the problem if you continue working there

[@DumbeztGuyInTheRoom]

Friedberg, you say that the investors weren't upset about the DEI but about competitive performance. The fallacy is that, DEI causes the inability to competitively perform because it's not a merit based system. It's a broken political ideaology thats not rooted in logic, but rather good intentions improperly implemented. A competitive system must be merit based to perform.

[@ProjectKhopesh]

I'm not even convinced it's rooted in good intentions. It's based on forcing change.

[@asa10142003]

A Kato Kaelin reference to start the show- ripped from the pages of todays news 😂 I love it

[@ryanbuckingham3958]

“There’s a reason I’m exec producer” he said 😂

[@j.t.raussen67]

Very educational podcast as it pertains to business and large corporations. My background is political science and international relations, so this episode is very educational for me. Well done, thanks!

[@miklmiklmtrcycl6009]

Compensation and benefits should be 100% transparent, including taxes paid. Truth sets everyone free.

[@z5m2]

Let's not forget Chamath recommended TSLA while his was dumping during COVID, and he recommended SABR last year b4 dropping 50%. Caveat Emptor.

[@propropropropuser]

29:25 chamath NAILED it

[@Warley.Araujo]

Great Pod!!

[@cyson78]

Working for a SV company, everytime I rewatch Silicon Valley, my view changes about the whole situation. Having an HBO sitcom resonate with my everyday life is slightly frightening.

[@EvEvangelist]

Apple were NEVER interested in the Car Business (Margins) they were ONLY interested in the Decatrillion High Margin Driverless Taxi business . Then they figured out It had to be NN ….Radar / LiDAR + Heuristics was a dead end and they had NO way of accumulating the training data at the scale required . THAT is now exclusively Tesla’s playpen. Same problem for Nvidia . Love the show : looking forward to “why did Elon sue Altman “ episode . IMO Sam is hiding progress of Q* applied to Maths. Except to MS & MBS 😮

[@pin65371]

Shane Gillis does the best Trump impression.

[@kidkal7825]

Is it me or does Chamath look more and more like Mr Bean?

[@adityasaxena6995]

Solid episode, after a few dull weeks👍🏾

[@tylertenaglia1583]

Great pod! I am a big of the political topics so hopefully those will be a staple.

[@elle6952]

Google is truly one of the biggest monopolies in history. I NEVER thought I'd say this, but I think they will be the next Yahoo. They had a great run!

[@tomthumb753]

I used to run my own hiring program before getting a new VP of HR. Now the process takes 3x in time to hire an entry level person.

[@EJ-vf9qf]

In general, we need to get back to not being afraid of offending people when confronting them with the facts and reality. If facts and reality offends someone then that sounds like a personal problem.

[@JP-rv6hg]

I just left a very well known historic Tech/Online company - they are obsessed with DE&I and it was career suicide to ever question it… I’m relieved to no longer have to swallow it all! 🎉

[@ssm59]

Googles Gemini failure was not an accident. This mess could very well could be the result of an internal rebellion against the toxicity of the woke culture that has permeated every aspect of that company. The sanctified DEI offices directed the social parameters to the designers and they followed those instructions to a point of absurdity. If true, we’ll played

[@sidequestsally]

Take a shot every time Chamath says ARPU

[@FranciscoGuadalupe-fs9px]

Bring on the robot apocalypse, I'm ready for it

[@aiikaiik]

This Allin podcast episode is now official titled “Preaching to the choir”

[@martinjohnson5498]

If you saw the big meeting at Google right after the 2016 election, and you surely did, no way can you think Brin is apolitical.

[@fadnavisfamily8716]

"some of them are good, right?" highly under rated comment :)

[@davidyuli]

It somehow breaks heart when hearing what is possibly happening to Google.

[@sifridbassoon]

If I do a search on Google, I want the results to show what reality was, not what some DEI activist programmers think the reality SHOULD have been. Unfortunately that is not acceptable any longer.

[@helpme100]

Well too bad! Try Russia's Internet it is dei free. DEI is even America was before colonizers

[@simonnilsson5356]

Reddit has the potential to be the best advertising platform in the world. If the advertising is targeted through AI on the written content and subreddits, and its able to deeply understand the context and sentiment on every thread, it can be extremely targetable and valuable.

[@stevemyers2092]

another home run. Thanks Gents.

[@stevenbrady440]

Mr. Spaceman, the weak link with this show, said at around 9:00 that the investors aren't upset with DEI. Just getting caught. I am a very small investor in Google. I can't believe that they got caught changing searches behind the scenes for a woke agenda. That's the issue. The software said it couldn't give pictures of happy white families. But it was totally pleased to give pictures of happy black families. All this does is make people wonder how often and where else this is happening. How they are being manipulated. By Maoists.

[@ngbrother]

Customer service agents are being rapidly re-trained to do RLHF tasks. Rather than talking to customers, they are annotating transcripts from AI conversations where the customer gave the AI agent negative feedback. RLHF helps to adapt the system to handle new edge-cases and failure modes.

[@suwisalperera9796]

DEI Commissar, how fitting.

[@erikkoning8795]

I love the emporer wears no clothes analogy 20:00. Whenever you can make that analogy, the organization or system needs to be reorganized or innovated.

[@john-tr8jy]

Man, I just feel sorry for black employees that DO NOT CARE about this DEI nonsense but are automatically lumped in by idiots on both sides. Some just want to come to work to do their best. That's it.

[@ehlava]

There is a current interview with Kato on KZbin. Very nice person.

[@jordan5253]

Okay Jason's Trump impersenation was actually great hahaha "Chamath my Sri Lankan friend how much do we love Sri Lanka? HUGE!" 😂

[@yashcp]

Prof G show did an analysis of Apple car shutdown news. It was so insightful and well reasoned. Got nothing from these guys talking. Seems this show is more about showing off and promoting their own companies and personal brand.

[@danieldoucet8687]

Shawn Farash is the best Trump impressionist by far. Matt Friend is a distant second.

[@WilsonShen]

Commissar, nice analogy

[@bayliss5826]

Happy Friday Y'all

[@shouryasimha8941]

Ah , I was refreshing my KZbin . Good to see you . I’m someone who never used to use KZbin , not even for mr.beast . Surprising but can’t help .

[@RyanSaplanPT]

“Honesty Level is gonna be through the roof”. 🤣

[@MissMyRyan]

Regarding Chamath’s exclusion of HR department from his companies (replaced by independent law firm): to whom does an employee first report if they have a valid complaint? Thank you.

[@LicoInvestments]

"groq... we talked about it last week" you guys talk about it nearly every week now. Notice how J-Cal is now so quiet on $DJT stock now that it's been doing amazing. I personally am up 100% since buying it.

[@Ishmokin]

That segment about Klarna, what are your thoughts on the Outsourcing being done in the Philippines and India and AI's impact on them?

[@jasonjacobson2089]

I'm curious, when will you start talking about Bitcoin and the pivotal shift in our economic system-from the "embedded growth obligation" to one that values efficiency and deflation? It's crucial for our future to explore how we can transition to an economic model that balances progress with the planet's limitations. What are your thoughts on how we can make this shift and what it would mean for industries, employment, and our daily lives?

[@mtfine]

James Damore was the canary in the coal mine

[@NeutralZoneSports]

a very respected person, like eric holder.

[@alichamas63]

The big problem with PIPs is that there is no proper vetting process for a manager to impose it on an employee. No fact checking or QA of something which is hugely demoralising and can affect renumeration. Especially when they are dropped on people at an annual review with no prior notices. Improvement issues should be addressed and coached at the time of the incident, not arbitrarily collected by petty and malicious managers as a lazy way to grade someone without any oversight on the process. Developers can't check in code without it being scrutinized by other peers yet sociopathic managers can put a dunce hat on people without anyone fact checking a thing. Extremely unbalanced, toxic, and counter productive. I've seen these things do more damage than good to hard working and awesome team mates by vicious unchecked managers. Fix as you go, don't build up tech debt that nobody can verify.

[@sriramsridharan7187]

I am now super confident that the next season of Silicon Valley is getting ready😀.

[@Hawking1969]

All this DEI talk.....I am now coming out as a DavidSachsual.

[@bestt2252]

Yup who needs viagra (if you’re a boomer)

[@QbanViking]

I time my workout based on the duration of the show